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Even though tonight was a tough way to lose I still think this team accomplished way more than I thought in year 1 with a rookie QB and Coach. Looking ahead this team has 70 million in cap space and will have multiple players coming back including AR, Blackmon and  Dallis Flowers. Pittman is guaranteed to be back as well.

 

Looking ahead to the draft and free agency what are some things the Colts should do to improve and build off this year?

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I'd like us to keep churning some talent at TE. Mallory is intriguing. Granson can make some big catches in the middle of the field but is always just short of the end zone. Hopefully Woods plays next season and so much for Ogletree.

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WR1.

If people think this offense is going to much better with Alec Pierce running nothing but disappointment, MPJ not catching passes past the sticks, and downs getting doubled with a LBer and safety…all because we have AR then they are setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

This game was a typical game from the colts on offense.  Great running game, average passing game.

 

We need a WR who can catch passes past the sticks.  I’m sorry, love MPJ and what he does for us but catching 5 passes and avging 8yds as a WR1 is not going to cut it.  We’re picking at 17.  If we have to trade up to grab a talent like odunze then we need to do it.  


after that, FS, DE, CB, TE.  

 

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33 minutes ago, smittywerb said:

WR1.

If people think this offense is going to much better with Alec Pierce running nothing but disappointment, MPJ not catching passes past the sticks, and downs getting doubled with a LBer and safety…all because we have AR then they are setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

This game was a typical game from the colts on offense.  Great running game, average passing game.

 

We need a WR who can catch passes past the sticks.  I’m sorry, love MPJ and what he does for us but catching 5 passes and avging 8yds as a WR1 is not going to cut it.  We’re picking at 17.  If we have to trade up to grab a talent like odunze then we need to do it.  


after that, FS, DE, CB, TE.  

 

 

Seems to be the SAME needs on a yearly basis after ALL this time with Ballard. Same ol same ol with nothing new but unfulfilled years mounting under his tenure as gm.

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58 minutes ago, smittywerb said:

WR1.

If people think this offense is going to much better with Alec Pierce running nothing but disappointment, MPJ not catching passes past the sticks, and downs getting doubled with a LBer and safety…all because we have AR then they are setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

This game was a typical game from the colts on offense.  Great running game, average passing game.

 

We need a WR who can catch passes past the sticks.  I’m sorry, love MPJ and what he does for us but catching 5 passes and avging 8yds as a WR1 is not going to cut it.  We’re picking at 17.  If we have to trade up to grab a talent like odunze then we need to do it.  


after that, FS, DE, CB, TE.  

 

What do you think the reasons are that mpj has so few yards per catch?  Seems to me it’s mostly play design. Isn’t he a free agent?  Man if we don’t sign him and have to rely on a rookie wr to be our #1, we may be in trouble real bad. Heck I wouldn’t mind signing mpj and drafting down to get the best TE in the draft or another stud WR.  Who knows maybe Ar will turn pierce into the next randy moss because he can actually throw the ball far unlike minshew.  Sucky game but good season.  

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All I will say is, we better re-sign Pittman. If we let him go and hurt Richardsons WR core next year, that would be absolutely horrible. We still need another WR besides him anyway. Get a no1 CB in either FA or the draft. I would draft more O-Line depth. Need Safety help. A better TE would be nice too. Would prefer to get a solid starter in FA. Also, a backup QB to Richardson again.

 

Of course, with Ballard, he'll sign a bunch of depth guys in FA and try to fix all the weaknesses in the draft. 

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4 hours ago, JediXMan said:

Even though tonight was a tough way to lose I still think this team accomplished way more than I thought in year 1 with a rookie QB and Coach. Looking ahead this team has 70 million in cap space and will have multiple players coming back including AR, Blackmon and  Dallis Flowers. Pittman is guaranteed to be back as well.

 

Looking ahead to the draft and free agency what are some things the Colts should do to improve and build off this year?

We need a dynamic WR bad and it shows. Crazy as this sounds, I’m calling Chicago about one of their first rounder picks and trying for Marv 2.0. If he’s off the table, whoever is the next best WR. 

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3 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:

Let me see what Ballard does with the current Colts free agents first because those will have a huge impact on the needs list depending on what the Colts do or don’t do with some of them.

I’m resigning Moore, Grover and Pitt. Maybe Moss. The rest can walk.

 

and we need to fire the kicker

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Why try to bring in any talented player when we seem to be asking them to play sandlot football? We need a better coaching staff. The Colts have perfected hiring poor coaches like Caldwell, Pagano and Reich. The verdict is still out on Steichen, but he has a long way to go and needs to improve a lot. Our Defensive Coordinator needs to find a job that fits his talents - like Risk Avoidance.

 

We performed as well as we could with this staff.

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The needs ranked for me are 

 

WR1- Now that we’re picking 17th, I’d like to trade up for Odunze. Need a WR that can stretch the field.

 

Veteran Safety- I think this team needs a veteran in the secondary. Everyone we currently have is young and inexperienced. Would love to get Grant Delpit, Jordan Whitehead, or Chuck Clark.

 

Coverage LB: Zaire has gotten exposed a lot this year. I love his leadership and how he plays the game but he has limitations in coverage as well as movingly laterally. 
 

NT Depth: when Grover got suspended, this was a different team. Need to get another beefy DT to either be his replacement, or rotate in for him should we choose to re-sign him.

 

Veteran Corner Depth: It’s fine to roll with Brent’s and Jones, and you could certainly upgrade over Jones in the draft if you wanted too, but regardless we need veteran corners. Guys who have been in the league at least 3+ years. Chidobe Awuzie, Shaquill Griffin, etc…

 

Veterans is general is a need. The Colts roster is filled with rookies or guys on rookie deals. Other teams have a good veteran presence.

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3 hours ago, Yoshinator said:

All I will say is, we better re-sign Pittman. If we let him go and hurt Richardsons WR core next year, that would be absolutely horrible. We still need another WR besides him anyway. Get a no1 CB in either FA or the draft. I would draft more O-Line depth. Need Safety help. A better TE would be nice too. Would prefer to get a solid starter in FA. Also, a backup QB to Richardson again.

 

Of course, with Ballard, he'll sign a bunch of depth guys in FA and try to fix all the weaknesses in the draft. 

Pittman ain't going anywhere..

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WR is top I believe. Whether you call him 2 behind Pitt or 1 or 1b. We need a receiver that is more dynamic to complement Pitt’s skill set. 
 

Pierce just hasn’t shown the ability to get open within the first 30 yards. He’s  fine as a 4 or 5 that can be a deep threat. I think his numbers should be better with a full season with AR  but that doesn’t fix his weaknesses only helps exemplify his strength. 
 

From what I’ve heard, this draft is full of good WRs. I’d be glad to take two if ones we like are there for the taking. The more talent we can provide for AR the better. 
 

Also need depth on the lines and DB. Need a good #2RB if Moss leaves. 
 

We lost one season of AR already. We need to make sure we do all we can to set him up to succeed next year. Can’t send him into next year with this WR group and banking on our Oline being healthy. 

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18 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

The needs ranked for me are 

 

WR1- Now that we’re picking 17th, I’d like to trade up for Odunze. Need a WR that can stretch the field.

 

Veteran Safety- I think this team needs a veteran in the secondary. Everyone we currently have is young and inexperienced. Would love to get Grant Delpit, Jordan Whitehead, or Chuck Clark.

 

Coverage LB: Zaire has gotten exposed a lot this year. I love his leadership and how he plays the game but he has limitations in coverage as well as movingly laterally. 
 

NT Depth: when Grover got suspended, this was a different team. Need to get another beefy DT to either be his replacement, or rotate in for him should we choose to re-sign him.

 

Veteran Corner Depth: It’s fine to roll with Brent’s and Jones, and you could certainly upgrade over Jones in the draft if you wanted too, but regardless we need veteran corners. Guys who have been in the league at least 3+ years. Chidobe Awuzie, Shaquill Griffin, etc…

 

Veterans is general is a need. The Colts roster is filled with rookies or guys on rookie deals. Other teams have a good veteran presence.

I think this is spot on. 

 

I'll admit though the thought of having to use a boatload of picks to move up in the 1st... irks me. If that's the way we go, thoughm  Ballard will have his work cut out for him in FA.

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12 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

I think this is spot on. 

 

I'll admit though the thought of having to use a boatload of picks to move up in the 1st... irks me. If that's the way we go, thoughm  Ballard will have his work cut out for him in FA.

You figure if we address some of our needs in FA, then giving up draft capital shouldn’t be an issue. Thats what it costs to get premium position players. Plus we’re currently at pick 17. We may only have to go up 5-6 spots.

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What is needed is playmaker's in the passing game both on offense and defense.  This has been painfully obvious for several years.  Come playoff time, Ws are made by playmakers in important positions making better plays against other team's playmakers.  Without that, the Colts have been basically a .500 team for 7 years...give or take a few games here and there. 

 

Troy Aikman was pointing out the shortcomings of the passing game, after touting the abilities of Minshew.  The shortcomings are not all on the backup QB. and Minshew did very little if anything to hurt the Colts against HOU.

 

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21 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

You figure if we address some of our needs in FA, then giving up draft capital shouldn’t be an issue. Thats what it costs to get premium position players. Plus we’re currently at pick 17. We may only have to go up 5-6 spots.

I know simulations aren't anything to judge by - especially it this point in time, but everyone I've run at so far have Harrison, Nabers, Odunze AND Bowers gone before 10...

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12 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

I know simulations aren't anything to judge by - especially it this point in time, but everyone I've run at so far have Harrison, Nabers, Odunze AND Bowers gone before 10...

This is why this season was a trap before it started. I had a feeling that we were going to play ourselves right out of a prime skill position player based on our "on-paper" soft schedule.

 

Who knows how it play out but.... :facepalm:

 

 

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In order of importance and of course my opinion:

 

DE - We have the #2 and #3 options that if paired with a game wrecking DL, it would stress opposing OL all game long. 
 

CB - We need an absolute stud at this position that can match up with the opposing #1 and take them out of the game. 
 

FS - The safety spots have been a revolving door due to injuries for awhile now. A ball hawking safety that can take advantage of a pressures QB that has his #1 receiver locked up will turn the ball over. 
 

WR - I for one think we are sitting in a decent spot with Downs and MPJ if he is resigned mainly due to we have options at TE that will only get better. Pierce is the huge question…the team needs to really evaluate if he is the answer. Not hope he is and see what happens. If we are going to upgrade it needs to be now so they can develop the chemistry with AR. 
 

OL - There are not enough starting caliber players for every team. You can never protect your QB enough. Honestly this could be ranked over WR and FS 
 

LB - we need a playmaking coverage guy here in a bad way. If the DL and secondary does their job, there will be opportunities in the intermediate areas and flats to create turnovers and stonewall drives. 

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10 minutes ago, Indeee said:

This is why this season was a trap before it started. I had a feeling that we were going to play ourselves right out of a prime skill position player based on our "on-paper" soft schedule.

 

Who knows how it play out but.... :facepalm:

 

 

Truthfully it is way too early for these simulators to be good indicators of anything. It also depends on which you run - PFF's has all the top receiving talent gone in the top 10.

 

In PFN's one of them typically drops to 15-ish.

 

I do think we will need to trade up if we want one of the top receivers, though. But how far?

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2 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

I do think we will need to trade up if we want one of the top receivers, though. But how far?

I’d be willing to go to 10. Even if you have to give up a player and future picks. I don’t feel the same way about the tier 3 receivers (Franklin, Thomas Jr., Mitchell) as I do about Odunze and Nabers.

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6 hours ago, smittywerb said:

WR1.

If people think this offense is going to much better with Alec Pierce running nothing but disappointment, MPJ not catching passes past the sticks, and downs getting doubled with a LBer and safety…all because we have AR then they are setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

This game was a typical game from the colts on offense.  Great running game, average passing game.

 

We need a WR who can catch passes past the sticks.  I’m sorry, love MPJ and what he does for us but catching 5 passes and avging 8yds as a WR1 is not going to cut it.  We’re picking at 17.  If we have to trade up to grab a talent like odunze then we need to do it.  


after that, FS, DE, CB, TE.  

 

I dont think the need at corner is  all that big.  I think you let your young corners grow.

I like Brents, I like Jones, I like Flowers.  Kenny Moore is getting old so maybe some better depth

behind Kenny and any where else the depth needs to be improved. Maybe look at replacing one

of the safeties or just keep the same group.

 

Everybody in our secondary is young.  If you can i say keep them together so they can nail down

the communication.  Me personally i think you have to look some at the DL a little because Buck

and Stewart are getting old.  Im not sure what the terms are with Ebukam, not sure what the deal

is with Lewis.  And Im sure there is somebody else Im missing. Just make sure the pass rush is an 

even bigger strength next year. 

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31 minutes ago, Mick J. said:

Need to trade down 13 times and draft more RAS players. 

 

This is SO true and ONE of the problems. Time to start making some BOLD moves in the draft and start taking the BEST available player in positions of need INSTEAD of reaching for players with high RAS scores in the lower rds that outside a few didn't even PLAY at a consistent high level against ELITE competition in college. Having the SAME needs constantly on a YEARLY basis is almost mind boggling now.

 

Wr1 should be PRIORITY number 1 to pair with Pittman. Give AR as MANY weapons in the passing game like most teams do for a young qb!! A sack specialist de should be next and a TOP tier veteran cb to pair with the young inconsistent corners that I'm not so sure are even good enough to become upper tier but it's still to early to tell due to a lot of injuries at the positions. Getting a new young and aggressive dc will also do wonders for the defense. Not sure why some want a te when that room is full of unused players.

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18 minutes ago, a06cc said:

WR,OG, C, DE, MLB or SSLB, DT, CB, FS

Bring in Punt and FG kicking competition

Trade Buckner(sorry hurts me to say it)

 

 


So basically we need an entirely new team?   And trade our best D player?

 

Please don’t apply for a job with the Colts.  

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1 hour ago, Defjamz26 said:

The needs ranked for me are 

 

WR1- Now that we’re picking 17th, I’d like to trade up for Odunze. Need a WR that can stretch the field.

 

Veteran Safety- I think this team needs a veteran in the secondary. Everyone we currently have is young and inexperienced. Would love to get Grant Delpit, Jordan Whitehead, or Chuck Clark.

 

Coverage LB: Zaire has gotten exposed a lot this year. I love his leadership and how he plays the game but he has limitations in coverage as well as movingly laterally. 
 

NT Depth: when Grover got suspended, this was a different team. Need to get another beefy DT to either be his replacement, or rotate in for him should we choose to re-sign him.

 

Veteran Corner Depth: It’s fine to roll with Brent’s and Jones, and you could certainly upgrade over Jones in the draft if you wanted too, but regardless we need veteran corners. Guys who have been in the league at least 3+ years. Chidobe Awuzie, Shaquill Griffin, etc…

 

Veterans is general is a need. The Colts roster is filled with rookies or guys on rookie deals. Other teams have a good veteran presence.

For me Blackmon is the veteran at this point.  I'd be fine with replacing either of the other safeties.

Im not as high on Cross as you are.  I like the athletic traits but Im still waiting on the instincts and 

some of the other things you'd like to see that I haven't seen yet.  I know we drafted a young guy this

year who got injured so maybe he's in the mix next year.  Maybe you let everybody continue to grow together

but all in all Im not against any changes for the better back there.

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I think there potentially is a lot of ways we could go this offseason.

 

The passrush needs to be upgraded, but is it a talent thing or a scheme thing? Bringing in a good passrusher would help - no doubt, but I'm not sold on Bradley... honestly, I'd prefer him gone in favor of a DC with a more aggressive scheme. More blitzing could potentially up our pressure rate without needing to invest picks or money in a premier DE.

 

We need good run stopping DT depth. I don't know if there are any good ones hitting FA this offseason, but I know there are a couple in the draft.

 

Secondary? Well, we have Flowers coming back and our young CBs have a season of experience now. Another offseason of practice could maybe do wonders? I don't think it's a bad idea bringing in more veteran talent though, but is CB something we need to invest heavily in? I don't think so.

   Safety is a need. I think I'd prefer a good FA over drafting someone. It's an area where we need improved play NOW, not 2-3 years down the road. As with passrush, the secondary could benefit from a different DC who's more willing to disguise coverages.

 

We absolutely need better LBs. Our guys are liabilities in coverage and they've gotten picked on this year. There are a few guys in the draft worth watching.

 

Receivers (WR/TE). Well, I don't think we keep MAC unless he's willing to take a pay cut. Ogletree is probably gone and the whole Woods situation is just weird to me. I could see us going for another TE this offseason.

   I hope AR's arm can help AP's production. I still think we need WR talent though. A real gamechanger. This is probably at the top of my list.

 

Other than that we need more and better Tackle depth. Smith can't stay healthy and I'd like a solid veteran so we have an option besides Freeland.

   A good center behind Kelly (possibly his heir?) is also something we may need to consider. I hope we target a Center in the draft.

 

I guess my list would be:

 

  1. WR/TE(Bowers)
  2. LB. Possibly multiple.
  3. Safety
  4. DT
  5. Center
  6. Tackle
  7. CB/DE - I'd prefer a new, more aggressive scheme.

 

Edit: 2 to 4 are probably interchangable.

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For me, you would start with priorities (My list)

 

I believe with 2 of the 3 most expensive contracts currently on rookie deals....... THIS is the year to spend

 

In the future, after we give contracts to QB and LT, the $$$ will not be available

 

Priority 1

Pass Rush improvement

Priority 2

Explosive WR

Priority 3

Play making free safety

Priority 4

SSLB

Priority 5

CB

 

First off, I would absolutely resign Pittman. 

 

In the offseason, I would open the checkbook for a FA DL

 

Can you imagine for a second, if we could replace Grover with Chris Jones, Christian Wilkins, or  Madubkie?

We would have crazy pressure up the middle!

 

Or.......  I would hope that we go after Burns or Hunter at DE

 

At this early stage, I truly dont think we need to trade up  in the first to get an additional, needed WR

 

Odunze MIGHT slide to us ( but probably not)

 

This WR class would seem to be extremely deep, which usually means that teams may hold off to draft a WR in rounds 1-3

 

Other WRs that MIGHT grow to be that "separation WR" that this team could use that could slide to round 2

 

Egbuka 

Leggette

X Worthy

Mitchell

Franklin

Brian Thomas

 

If anything..... I could see us taking BPA and then trading up .... IN ROUND TWO

 

Some may say, give Pierce another year. Which might be valid, but in a passing league having multiple burners to stretch the defense would seem prudent.

 

This would be opposite Pittman..... who we need to sign

 

Here is a draft that I did this morning

 

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6 hours ago, smittywerb said:

WR1.

If people think this offense is going to much better with Alec Pierce running nothing but disappointment, MPJ not catching passes past the sticks, and downs getting doubled with a LBer and safety…all because we have AR then they are setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

This game was a typical game from the colts on offense.  Great running game, average passing game.

 

We need a WR who can catch passes past the sticks.  I’m sorry, love MPJ and what he does for us but catching 5 passes and avging 8yds as a WR1 is not going to cut it.  We’re picking at 17.  If we have to trade up to grab a talent like odunze then we need to do it.  


after that, FS, DE, CB, TE.  

 

I agree with the need for DE, CB, and FS (With the number of TE prospects on the roster I think we HAVE our future TE)

 

There are so many WRs in this draft, I dont believe that we need to give up draft capitol.

 

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, krunk said:

For me Blackmon is the veteran at this point.  I'd be fine with replacing either of the other safeties.

Im not as high on Cross as you are.  I like the athletic traits but Im still waiting on the instincts and 

some of the other things you'd like to see that I haven't seen yet.  I know we drafted a young guy this

year who got injured so maybe he's in the mix next year.  Maybe you let everybody continue to grow together

but all in all Im not against any changes for the better back there.

Blackmon is not good against the run and is undersized to be a true SS.  I think he’s replaceable.

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56 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

In order of importance and of course my opinion:

 

DE - We have the #2 and #3 options that if paired with a game wrecking DL, it would stress opposing OL all game long. 
 

CB - We need an absolute stud at this position that can match up with the opposing #1 and take them out of the game. 
 

FS - The safety spots have been a revolving door due to injuries for awhile now. A ball hawking safety that can take advantage of a pressures QB that has his #1 receiver locked up will turn the ball over. 

 

WR - I for one think we are sitting in a decent spot with Downs and MPJ if he is resigned mainly due to we have options at TE that will only get better. Pierce is the huge question…the team needs to really evaluate if he is the answer. Not hope he is and see what happens. If we are going to upgrade it needs to be now so they can develop the chemistry with AR. 
 

OL - There are not enough starting caliber players for every team. You can never protect your QB enough. Honestly this could be ranked over WR and FS 
 

LB - we need a playmaking coverage guy here in a bad way. If the DL and secondary does their job, there will be opportunities in the intermediate areas and flats to create turnovers and stonewall drives. 

 

25% Agree on OL, WR

 

100% agree on LB,  CB

 

1000% agree on DE, FS

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 Better player development on defense, this coaching staff is not getting it done with these young guys. I think defense is and has been way underachieving do to lack of teaching.

 

...and we need a couple of Dawgs!

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3 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

 

25% Agree on OL, WR

 

100% agree on LB,  CB

 

1000% agree on DE, FS

Understandable!  Just like you can’t protect your QB enough you can never have too many weapons on offense. My thinking mostly relies on I believe Shane Steichen can scheme a very good offense with what we have right now. Of course it can be improved on but I see the team benefiting more with playmakers on D and possibly a new coordinator. I am really impressed with our DL coach Nate Ollie and what he has done. 

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31 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

 

 

For me, you would start with priorities (My list)

 

I believe with 2 of the 3 most expensive contracts currently on rookie deals....... THIS is the year to spend

 

In the future, after we give contracts to QB and LT, the $$$ will not be available

 

Priority 1

Pass Rush improvement

Priority 2

Explosive WR

Priority 3

Play making free safety

Priority 4

SSLB

Priority 5

CB

 

First off, I would absolutely resign Pittman. 

 

In the offseason, I would open the checkbook for a FA DL

 

Can you imagine for a second, if we could replace Grover with Chris Jones, Christian Wilkins, or  Madubkie?

We would have crazy pressure up the middle!

 

Or.......  I would hope that we go after Burns or Hunter at DE

 

At this early stage, I truly dont think we need to trade up  in the first to get an additional, needed WR

 

Odunze MIGHT slide to us ( but probably not)

 

This WR class would seem to be extremely deep, which usually means that teams may hold off to draft a WR in rounds 1-3

 

Other WRs that MIGHT grow to be that "separation WR" that this team could use that could slide to round 2

 

Egbuka 

Leggette

X Worthy

Mitchell

Franklin

Brian Thomas

 

If anything..... I could see us taking BPA and then trading up .... IN ROUND TWO

 

Some may say, give Pierce another year. Which might be valid, but in a passing league having multiple burners to stretch the defense would seem prudent.

 

This would be opposite Pittman..... who we need to sign

 

Here is a draft that I did this morning

 

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I agree with 99% of this.  I might differ on how to get there though.  I do know I will scream bloody murder if we trade back from 17.  I would trade that pick to get one of your two top objectives or trade up to get one of those objectives.  FA comes first and we have the capital to get some things done even after resigning Pittman.  He’s a given.  Teams will be making moves for quarterbacks.  So the top 10 order has a long way to go.  We also need more veteran help on the team.  Being the youngest team shows.  I think we could add some solid veteran leadership without breaking the bank.  A safety or linebacker would really help.  Like you said take advantage of the cheap contracts at quarterback and LT to bring in another difference maker or two.  I’m all for that.  This is not the year to trade back with that 1st pick.  We need to acquire a starting PROVEN difference maker with that pick.  Finding a way to get one on both sides of the ball would be a home run.

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