Kwity Paye Upping His Game

[compuls1v3]

Excited to see him breakout this year!!  https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/06/24/colts-kwity-paye-von-miller-pass-rush-summit-2023/

[John Hammonds]

Let's hope his attendance results in double-digit sacks this year.

[MB-ColtsFan]

We were not as good when he was not in there last year.  Hoping for a big jump this year.

[AwesomeAustin]

Happy to see this!  We need Kwitty and also Dayo to take big steps forward this year.  Unless there are injuries, 16 combined sacks should be the goal from these two. 

[Scott Pennock]

I think the trio of Samson, Paye and Dayo are going to post 25-35 sacks all on thier own.

 

The perfect storm is brewing - Dayo fully healthy and making the 2nd year jump combined with Samsons confidence in earning a starting role and Paye putting it all together all at the same time!

 

I know, I know…….that is far too much optimism for most of you to handle…..

[holeymoley99]

3 hours ago, Scott Pennock said:

I think the trio of Samson, Paye and Dayo are going to post 25-35 sacks all on thier own.

 

The perfect storm is brewing - Dayo fully healthy and making the 2nd year jump combined with Samsons confidence in earning a starting role and Paye putting it all together all at the same time!

 

I know, I know…….that is far too much optimism for most of you to handle…..

I think you are spot on and think their may be times we see all 3 on the field at the same time. Think out entire D Line is best it has been in a long time as Taven Bryan really played well for Browns last year as a starter and an under the radar signing.

[Defjamz26]

Not to sound like a pessimist, but these stories usually mean very little. There’s always a guy working with some expert or training super hard. It has to translate on the field though. Remember when Komoko Turray was working out with Mathis before TC? Plus after awhile players peak. Not in terms of production, but in skill set. After awhile you are who you are and no amount of position gurus, summits,  clinics, or extreme workouts are going to change that.

[Solid84]

I think we’ll get about 8 sacks from Kwity if he can stay healthy the whole season. The same from Dayo and Ebukam.

 

He’s not a pass rush specialist but an edge-setter. I think that’s fine for a strong-side DE. Our run defense was noticably better when he was on the field. 
 

Props to him for working to improve though. 

[CR91]

Kwity impacts the line when he's out. You can tell the line struggles without him especially vs the run game

[crazycolt1]

The amount of sacks makes no difference to me.  It's when the sacks happens.  

[Yoshinator]

25 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

The amount of sacks makes no difference to me.  It's when the sacks happens.  

When they happen though has a large randomness factor. You can't just say: "I'm going to get a sack when the game is on the line". It doesn't work like that. Generally, pressures are more important than sacks, as they change the game in different ways, but even that's random.

 

We can hope though that they happen at the right time, you can increase the chance a bit on a blitz, but it's still largely random.

[crazycolt1]

2 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

When they happen though has a large randomness factor. You can't just say: "I'm going to get a sack when the game is on the line". It doesn't work like that. Generally, pressures are more important than sacks, as they change the game in different ways, but even that's random.

 

We can hope though that they happen at the right time, you can increase the chance a bit on a blitz, but it's still largely random.

What?

I don't think you understood my point. Sacks are the ultimate pressures. 

[Yoshinator]

2 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

What?

I don't think you understood my point. Sacks are the ultimate pressures. 

They are when they happen. However, generally sacks happen around 3 times a game. You can get pressures a lot more. Pressures also do a lot more like get the QB to throw the ball out of bounds, throw an INT, escape the pocket into a sack, throw an inaccurate pass that is incomplete. I guess what I'm saying is a sack is great, but pressures are more important and happen more often.

 

I don't think we disagree here. 

[AwesomeAustin]

20 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

They are when they happen. However, generally sacks happen around 3 times a game. You can get pressures a lot more. Pressures also do a lot more like get the QB to throw the ball out of bounds, throw an INT, escape the pocket into a sack, throw an inaccurate pass that is incomplete. I guess what I'm saying is a sack is great, but pressures are more important and happen more often.

 

I don't think we disagree here. 

I agree with you partly.  Pressures are extremely important but compared against each other, they only outweigh sacks when they cause a turnover. A throwaway or incompletion is a loss of down. A sack is a loss of down and yards.  If the defense is able to hit the QB on those pressures, then it can really start to rattle them. You can generate more pressures than sacks so they play a huge part in a productive defense. Then it comes down to how many of each. You can still have an extremely productive game with only pressures and QB hits.  I still prefer for the DL to ultimately get to the QB and take them down. 

[Fluke_33]

I’m down with that 

[sb41champs]

On 6/25/2023 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pennock said:

I think the trio of Samson, Paye and Dayo are going to post 25-35 sacks all on thier own.

 

The perfect storm is brewing - Dayo fully healthy and making the 2nd year jump combined with Samsons confidence in earning a starting role and Paye putting it all together all at the same time!

 

I know, I know…….that is far too much optimism for most of you to handle…..

From your fingertips to God's feed!!

[BeanDiasucci]

The Colts may not be great, but at least I'm saving a bundle. I Kwity Paye for season tickets.

[NFLfan]

On 6/24/2023 at 6:05 PM, John Hammonds said:

Let's hope his attendance results in double-digit sacks this year.

 

On 6/24/2023 at 6:22 PM, MB-ColtsFan said:

We were not as good when he was not in there last year.  Hoping for a big jump this year.

 

On 6/25/2023 at 2:39 PM, Defjamz26 said:

Not to sound like a pessimist, but these stories usually mean very little. There’s always a guy working with some expert or training super hard. It has to translate on the field though. Remember when Komoko Turray was working out with Mathis before TC? Plus after awhile players peak. Not in terms of production, but in skill set. After awhile you are who you are and no amount of position gurus, summits,  clinics, or extreme workouts are going to change that.

 

Question: Do you believe the Colts will exercise Quity Paye's 5th Year option?

 

I was reading an article on the Athletic about the first round draft picks in the 2021 draft and who should/may get the 5th year option. I was surprised to see that Quity Paye and Christian Darrisaw (my team's draft pick that year) were deemed to be Tier 3 players ("Solid Starters") as opposed to Tier 1 ("Franchise Cornerstones") or Tier 2 ("Plus Starters/High-Ceiling Starters") players. I believe both are Tier 1 or Tier 2 players and their options will be picked up.

 

Would you like the Colts to pick of Paye's 5th year option?

 

https://theathletic.com/4641045/2023/06/28/nfl-fifth-year-options-2021-draft-micah-parsons?source=user-shared-article

[John Hammonds]

49 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

 

 

Question: Do you believe the Colts will exercise Quity Paye's 5th Year option?

 

I was reading an article on the Athletic about the first round draft picks in the 2021 draft and who should/may get the 5th year option. I was surprised to see that Quity Paye and Christian Darrisaw (my team's draft pick that year) were deemed to be Tier 3 players ("Solid Starters") as opposed to Tier 1 ("Franchise Cornerstones") or Tier 2 ("Plus Starters/High-Ceiling Starters") players. I believe both are Tier 1 or Tier 2 players and their options will be picked up.

 

Would you like the Colts to pick of Paye's 5th year option?

 

https://theathletic.com/4641045/2023/06/28/nfl-fifth-year-options-2021-draft-micah-parsons?source=user-shared-article

I think they will.  At least, I would.  I would rather give him the 5th year option and find out how he plays this year and next, before making him an offer for a next contract.

[jvan1973]

1 hour ago, NFLfan said:

 

 

 

Question: Do you believe the Colts will exercise Quity Paye's 5th Year option?

 

I was reading an article on the Athletic about the first round draft picks in the 2021 draft and who should/may get the 5th year option. I was surprised to see that Quity Paye and Christian Darrisaw (my team's draft pick that year) were deemed to be Tier 3 players ("Solid Starters") as opposed to Tier 1 ("Franchise Cornerstones") or Tier 2 ("Plus Starters/High-Ceiling Starters") players. I believe both are Tier 1 or Tier 2 players and their options will be picked up.

 

Would you like the Colts to pick of Paye's 5th year option?

 

https://theathletic.com/4641045/2023/06/28/nfl-fifth-year-options-2021-draft-micah-parsons?source=user-shared-article

Unless he has a terrible season I think he gets the 5th year option. 

[Defjamz26]

19 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

 

 

Question: Do you believe the Colts will exercise Quity Paye's 5th Year option?

 

I was reading an article on the Athletic about the first round draft picks in the 2021 draft and who should/may get the 5th year option. I was surprised to see that Quity Paye and Christian Darrisaw (my team's draft pick that year) were deemed to be Tier 3 players ("Solid Starters") as opposed to Tier 1 ("Franchise Cornerstones") or Tier 2 ("Plus Starters/High-Ceiling Starters") players. I believe both are Tier 1 or Tier 2 players and their options will be picked up.

 

Would you like the Colts to pick of Paye's 5th year option?

 

https://theathletic.com/4641045/2023/06/28/nfl-fifth-year-options-2021-draft-micah-parsons?source=user-shared-article

It’s hard to say because I don’t think that Ballard has picked up anyone’s 5th year option outside of Nelson. But he traded out of the 1st in 2019, and traded away two firsts for Buckner and Wentz. Not a huge sample size outside of Malik Hooker who had his option declined.

 

Ill say I’ll have a better idea halfway into the season.

[lollygagger8]

If he stays healthy all year that'd be a win in itself 

[rock8591]

Defense was clearly better when he was on the field last year.

 

45 tackles and 6 sacks in 10 games = basically 76 tackles and 10 sacks in a full season (17 games).

[colts89]

He was really good last year, but got hurt. He can easily breakout in year 3 if he stays healthy.

[Moosejawcolt]

On 6/25/2023 at 6:08 AM, AwesomeAustin said:

Happy to see this!  We need Kwitty and also Dayo to take big steps forward this year.  Unless there are injuries, 16 combined sacks should be the goal from these two. 

It's not his athleticism ability that is holding him back, it's his inability to stay healthy

 

[AwesomeAustin]

4 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

It's not his athleticism ability that is holding him back, it's his inability to stay healthy

 

I feel like we have seen this before 

[jvan1973]

On 7/3/2023 at 3:44 PM, Moosejawcolt said:

It's not his athleticism ability that is holding him back, it's his inability to stay healthy

 

He's missed 7 games in 2 years.   Not ideal,  but not crazy considering his position 

[Moosejawcolt]

51 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

He's missed 7 games in 2 years.   Not ideal,  but not crazy considering his position 

Agreed but it is also not pleasing either as those few games had a  huge impact on his development and production moving forward. Although it is only 7 games, you must also consider recovery time and getting back to 100%. He has getting it going then got injured and never the same for the rest of the year

[jvan1973]

15 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Agreed but it is also not pleasing either as those few games had a  huge impact on his development and production moving forward. Although it is only 7 games, you must also consider recovery time and getting back to 100%. He has getting it going then got injured and never the same for the rest of the year

For sure he needs to make a big jump in production,  and availability is a good start to that

[Moosejawcolt]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

For sure he needs to make a big jump in production,  and availability is a good start to that

i dont think he will ever be that elite guy but a say 10 sack guy. That guy is waiting for us next year with a top ten pick lol.