Isaiah Rodgers being investigated for gambling policy infractions ((MERGE))

[TexasColtsFan1953]

Throw the book at him they did to Pete rose 

[dw49]

14 hours ago, csmopar said:

Here’s the thing. Rodgers created an account under a different name to try and not be discovered. To me, that points to him knowing it was against the rules. I’m sure the league feels the same way. Which again, is why there’s some credence here to the threat of a life time ban actually holding. From what I’ve found over the last week, none of the previous busted players had the sheer number of total bets placed, nor did they bet on games they played in, nor did they have accounts under disguise. I think for the reasons you said about sending a clear message , Rodgers will be out multiple years if not for life, he may get reinstated at some point but I seriously think his career is over. 

 

Adding to this bonfire is the fact that it was reported that there were 2 bets that were in the low thousands. There were hundreds fro $50 to $100 which is pretty meager , but where do those 2 larger bets fit in. I believe it was also said at least 1 on those larger bets were on a Colt game. My guess would be that maybe he bet for a few other guys also ? One of the wagers was said to be on the 2nd Houston game. These 2 bigger bets could be what is possibly leading to what you describe. I feel sorry for the kid.

[BlackTiger]

14 hours ago, csmopar said:

From what I’ve found over the last week, none of the previous busted players had the sheer number of total bets placed

Yeah the number of bets is making this look pretty bad and shows he may not be able to control himself.  Why risk an nfl career making soooo many bets if he actually still had some control?  it wasnt even for very much money, its like he  couldnt stop

 

 

[GoColts8818]

2 hours ago, BlackTiger said:

Yeah the number of bets is making this look pretty bad and shows he may not be able to control himself.  Why risk an nfl career making soooo many bets if he actually still had some control?  it wasnt even for very much money, its like he  couldnt stop

 

 

I think you hit the nail on the head.  Gambling addiction is a very real thing.  

[OLD FAN MAN]

but !!!!!!!!! ballard only signs players with high character!!

[OLD FAN MAN]

is that why we played so poorly. because the colts were betting on themselves to lose? hey! whats going on!!! ballard only signs high character guys

[jvan1973]

22 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

but !!!!!!!!! ballard only signs players with high character!!

Gambling doesn't mean you have low character.   Also, you are a broken record 

[csmopar]

18 hours ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

is that why we played so poorly. because the colts were betting on themselves to lose? hey! whats going on!!! ballard only signs high character guys

Why are you here

[GoColts8818]

3 hours ago, csmopar said:

Why are you here

Living under the bridge got old.

[Fluke_33]

On 6/11/2023 at 12:07 PM, w87r said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/11/is-the-leagues-anti-gambling-message-getting-through/

 

Snippet:

 

Article that made me revisit a thought I had the other day after listening to Coaches media session.

 

 

Now when Coach Steichen, was continually asked about the gambling thing, he often tried to move on to next question.

 

 

However, at one point, he did give an answer about how the league came in and talked with the team. Then when asked if it was similar to what went on in Philly with the league coming in, he pretty much said it was. The only problem I had with his answer in that part, is it really didn't shine a light on what the team does/did after the league came into talk to the team. It was almost as if, he wasn't saying they did/do anything, just leave it at that?

 

Idk, just seemed a little weird answer. I know he wasn't trying to talk about the issue, but in my opinion, what he did say left me with more questions about how well the players are informed and then reinforced afterwards.

 

Idk? Just a thought. How do you perceive the situation in these regards

Anyone else think coaches answer was a little weird on initial listen?

 

 

Also the article goes into how communication could be improved.

Have to say I agree, could definitely use some improvement.

 

I wonder if they treat it as strict liability or if you can present mitigating circumstances such as an addiction.  i also wonder if there are clear cut penalties like a permanent suspension with the ability to apply to get back in after a certain amount of time.

[w87r]

21 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

 

I wonder if they treat it as strict liability or if you can present mitigating circumstances such as an addiction.  i also wonder if there are clear cut penalties like a permanent suspension with the ability to apply to get back in after a certain amount of time.

That's a question for you. Lol.

 

If I remember correctly, isn't that your lane?

[w87r]

To follow that up, I know the indefinite suspensions have to apply for reinstatement afterwards.

 

Not sure how a permanent ban would look? Have to see one to get some precedent first.

 

Rodgers seems to have a decent shot at being the first case.

[DougDew]

On 6/13/2023 at 12:16 AM, jvan1973 said:

Gambling doesn't mean you have low character.   Also, you are a broken record 

Once again, your call out is wrong because your take is wrong, as almost always.

 

I would think Ballard's definition of high character as avoiding the conduct that would get a player suspended.  Players that respect established rules would be high character guys.

 

You should apologize to this board for getting so many things wrong so often.

[Fluke_33]

1 hour ago, w87r said:

That's a question for you. Lol.

 

If I remember correctly, isn't that your lane?

lol.  Not criminal stuff.

[jvan1973]

1 hour ago, DougDew said:

Once again, your call out is wrong because your take is wrong, as almost always.

 

I would think Ballard's definition of high character as avoiding the conduct that would get a player suspended.  Players that respect established rules would be high character guys.

 

You should apologize to this board for getting so many things wrong so often.

There you go thinking you are in the brain of another person. You have no idea how Ballard defines character. 

 

Would you define a person with an addiction a person of low character?  

Also, it appears more than a few agree with me if you look at the likes on the post you quoted.   So it appears you are the one on the wrong side of the argument......  again

 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/14/source-one-nfl-player-lost-8-million-from-gambling-in-2022/

 

A new report suggests an NFL player lost 8 million $ on gambling last year alone. Not sure if it's possible, lol .. possible, yeah technically, but that seems too much. 

[Indyfan4life]

6 hours ago, DougDew said:

Once again, your call out is wrong because your take is wrong, as almost always.

 

I would think Ballard's definition of high character as avoiding the conduct that would get a player suspended.  Players that respect established rules would be high character guys.

 

You should apologize to this board for getting so many things wrong so often.

So… if I go to a casino and gamble in hopes of improving mine and my families life with some luck, does that mean I have low character? Yeah, he made a bad choice. Doesn’t mean he has low character. 

Go ahead and tell me you’ve never said or done something that you probably shouldn’t have, but still maintain you have a high self regard so I can laugh. 

[crazycolt1]

On 6/12/2023 at 5:07 PM, TexasColtsFan1953 said:

Throw the book at him they did to Pete rose 

Big difference between a player and a MLB manager making bets on their own team.  

[DougDew]

21 hours ago, Indyfan4life said:

So… if I go to a casino and gamble in hopes of improving mine and my families life with some luck, does that mean I have low character? Yeah, he made a bad choice. Doesn’t mean he has low character. 

Go ahead and tell me you’ve never said or done something that you probably shouldn’t have, but still maintain you have a high self regard so I can laugh. 

Well Pat, if you didn't get so self-conscious about people actually living the Norman Rockwell life that you can't, you might have noticed that I wasn't judging Rodgers gambling per se.  

 

I was talking about somebody (clearly?) defying the established NFL rules about gambling.  Clearly and deliberately defying rules, just for one's own entertainment/agenda (when they already have a good paying job) would be an indicator of poor character in most peoples minds....and probably Ballard's, speaking to OLD FAN MANs comment.

 

Were not talking about Rodgers going to a casino and playing poker or the ponies.  Or somebody being a professional gambler.

[Jason_]

I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another that rodgers sent a huge gift basket to jack jones with a note reading, 

 

"Well that was ONE way to get the media off my back.  Thanks man, next round on me!"

[jvan1973]

41 minutes ago, J@son said:

I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another that rodgers sent a huge gift basket to jack jones with a note reading, 

 

"Well that was ONE way to get the media off my back.  Thanks man, next round on me!"

You can't even take a bottle of water on a flight and this dude thinks it's ok to take a couple guns.  

[dw49]

This is taking an awfully long time. Hopefully that bet or two in the low 6 figures hasn't spurred an investigation of teammates betting also. Not real likely that a $50 better made a bet that size. 

[jvan1973]

1 hour ago, dw49 said:

This is taking an awfully long time. Hopefully that bet or two in the low 6 figures hasn't spurred an investigation of teammates betting also. Not real likely that a $50 better made a bet that size. 

I saw reports of a few bets in the 4 figures.   Nothing about 6 figures 

[dw49]

10 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I saw reports of a few bets in the 4 figures.   Nothing about 6 figures 

 

Sorry for the extra zero's as you are correct. 6 figures would be $100,000 and larger and I didn't mean to assert that. Point is a $50 better wouldn't  normally step a bet up to $1000 or larger. 

[jvan1973]

13 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

Sorry for the extra zero's as you are correct. 6 figures would be $100,000 and larger and I didn't mean to assert that. Point is a $50 better wouldn't  normally step a bet up to $1000 or larger. 

Such a terrible decision on his part not to follow the rules.  This year he was gonna make pretty good money

[csmopar]

On 6/14/2023 at 2:38 PM, VikingsFanInChennai said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/14/source-one-nfl-player-lost-8-million-from-gambling-in-2022/

 

A new report suggests an NFL player lost 8 million $ on gambling last year alone. Not sure if it's possible, lol .. possible, yeah technically, but that seems too much. 

Well I’m not sure Rodgers has even made 8 million in his career to lose it so it can’t be him

[NFLfan]

12 hours ago, J@son said:

I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another that rodgers sent a huge gift basket to jack jones with a note reading, 

 

"Well that was ONE way to get the media off my back.  Thanks man, next round on me!"

 

Huh? I don't follow. Did you mean that he was messin' around?

 

(I do love that song by REO Speedwagon.)

 

[w87r]

6 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Huh? I don't follow. Did you mean that he was messin' around?

 

(I do love that song by REO Speedwagon.)

 

Jack Jones got arrested for trying to carry on the plane in his carry on bag.

 

So in essence, Rodgers sent Jones a thank you basket(not literally) to Jones for getting media attention off of him a little bit.

[ADnum1]

6 hours ago, dw49 said:

 

Sorry for the extra zero's as you are correct. 6 figures would be $100,000 and larger and I didn't mean to assert that. Point is a $50 better wouldn't  normally step a bet up to $1000 or larger. 

Not unless he lost money and was trying to make it back

[dw49]

35 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

Not unless he lost money and was trying to make it back

 

Yes , could be that or it could be that he just thought he had a sure bet. What I'm saying is it's not a normal betting pattern. My hope is that it has nothing to do with him placing a bet for another player or players. Most likely not but IMO this a taking a long time.

[NFLfan]

5 hours ago, w87r said:

Jack Jones got arrested for trying to carry on the plane in his carry on bag.

 

So in essence, Rodgers sent Jones a thank you basket(not literally) to Jones for getting media attention off of him a little bit.

Thank you. Now it makes sense. I'm not following the news much until training camp. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

Well, dolphin owner invested into gambling sites or helping them become legalized and probably other owners too?

 

Yeah their not players but the NFL is in bed with gambling and I'm sure they knew players will make some bets because its so much easier now. 

 

Its a situation that will not go away unless the NFL forbids betting sites taking bets on their scripts..... I mean games. ......and we know that's not happening. 

[Superman]

On 6/12/2023 at 5:00 PM, dw49 said:

Adding to this bonfire is the fact that it was reported that there were 2 bets that were in the low thousands. There were hundreds fro $50 to $100 which is pretty meager , but where do those 2 larger bets fit in. I believe it was also said at least 1 on those larger bets were on a Colt game. My guess would be that maybe he bet for a few other guys also ? One of the wagers was said to be on the 2nd Houston game. These 2 bigger bets could be what is possibly leading to what you describe. I feel sorry for the kid.

 

I haven't spent a lot of time on this, I feel like there's too much unknown info so far. 

 

But after reading some of the updates from the league about the gambling rules, I'm wondering if Rodgers was just playing daily fantasy. A bunch of smaller bets could be setting his lineup every week. Betting on his own team could mean adding Colts' players to his lineup. And then the bigger bets could have been on what the Colts would do in the draft? Just spitballin... 

 

Rapoport sent this out today. 

 

 

I think it should be simple enough for players to adhere to these rules. I also think it's possible for players to underestimate how seriously the league is taking this, maybe thinking they won't get caught... 

[dw49]

4 hours ago, Superman said:

 

I haven't spent a lot of time on this, I feel like there's too much unknown info so far. 

 

But after reading some of the updates from the league about the gambling rules, I'm wondering if Rodgers was just playing daily fantasy. A bunch of smaller bets could be setting his lineup every week. Betting on his own team could mean adding Colts' players to his lineup. And then the bigger bets could have been on what the Colts would do in the draft? Just spitballin... 

 

Rapoport sent this out today. 

 

 

I think it should be simple enough for players to adhere to these rules. I also think it's possible for players to underestimate how seriously the league is taking this, maybe thinking they won't get caught... 

 

I'm pretty sure I read that he "bet on games and it included betting on Colt games." Also I read something that inferred one of the larger bets was on the Houston game. If this was accurate, it would be unlikely that it was just weekly fantasy football. But like you say , we are only getting bits and pieces , so we are are all just speculating.

 

If I had to guess , I would say he gets more than a one year suspension. Probably indefinitely suspended with the right to re-apply a set amount of time passes. I'm just hoping the bigger bets do not implicate any teammates.

[Superman]

11 hours ago, dw49 said:

 

I'm pretty sure I read that he "bet on games and it included betting on Colt games." Also I read something that inferred one of the larger bets was on the Houston game. If this was accurate, it would be unlikely that it was just weekly fantasy football. But like you say , we are only getting bits and pieces , so we are are all just speculating.

 

If I had to guess , I would say he gets more than a one year suspension. Probably indefinitely suspended with the right to re-apply a set amount of time passes. I'm just hoping the bigger bets do not implicate any teammates.

 

I haven't been reading as much on it, so you're no doubt more informed than I am. I might just be hoping for the best. But 'hundreds of bets' in one season has to be more than just betting on the outcomes of games. 

 

Based on the precedents, he's getting at least a year, and probably longer. Like you said, I hope no other teammates were involved, but it's very possible. 

[stitches]

IMO at this point we are all just guessing and it's probably not helpful. Did he bet on Colts games directly(outcome of the game) or on fantasy, did he bet on wins or losses? Did he bet on games he played in or not? Did he bet on player props? At this point I'm content not even guessing the answers to those questions... lets just wait and see what the league will say when they announce the results of their investigation. Whatever it is... we know Rodgers probably knew he was doing something against the rules, since he tried to hide his activities(by not using his own account but using a friend's account). Whatever the findings, I doubt the punishment will be less than a year... a year in which Rodgers was slotted to be our starting outside corner with the opportunity to earn a huge payday at the end of that year. And now it's very likely all over for him... what a stupid waste of a talent. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

It is getting really tiring that everyone thinks that these players don’t know the rules. It’s not that complicated. You can’t bet on the nfl and betting on other sports must not be done in the facility or on team time. Players know the rules.

[2006Coltsbestever]

9 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

It is getting really tiring that everyone thinks that these players don’t know the rules. It’s not that complicated. You can’t bet on the nfl and betting on other sports must not be done in the facility or on team time. Players know the rules.

I would say pretty spot on. I really don't have a problem with what Rodgers did or what he does as long as he doesn't bet on us to lose. That is the elephant in the room, none of us know if he bet on Colts games?? Like you said too, just don't bet on NFL games, hell bet on baseball and basketball if you like to gamble. Play the Slots or Poker at a casino as well - Only Homer would say hit me with a 19  

[DougDew]

On 6/12/2023 at 8:36 PM, BlackTiger said:

Yeah the number of bets is making this look pretty bad and shows he may not be able to control himself.  Why risk an nfl career making soooo many bets if he actually still had some control?  it wasnt even for very much money, its like he  couldnt stop

 

 

He could have been placing bets for others....acting as sort of a bookie who got compensated in some ways for placing the bets.  Putting the account under a different name also could indicate he was looking at this activity as more of a business rather than a personal activity that fed an addiction. 

 

I'm not justifying it, but the investigation might turn up angles to this that nobody has considered.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, DougDew said:

He could have been placing bets for others....acting as sort of a bookie who got compensated in some ways for placing the bets.  Putting the account under a different name also could indicate he was looking at this activity as more of a business rather than a personal activity that fed an addiction. 

 

I'm not justifying it, but the investigation might turn up angles to this that nobody has considered.

This could actually be true. This investigation has been awfully quiet for the last 2 weeks.