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Yeah, gotta go with what is sure to be the majority here. We don't even have a franchise QB AND have enough positions to upgrade I don't think we should be losing picks early unless it's for a QB. If Brown and Kinlaw are gone there are still DTs that can help and we can still get a top OT, pass rusher or blue chip WR at 13. The 13th pick ought to be a difference maker pick whether we go for DT or not. Most of us seem to want a DT due to wanting to have dominance in the trenches. But we also know a replacement for Castanso and our WR2 (future wr1) is also very important. So why take picks away? 

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If you remember,  Ballard always has a number of the blue chip prospects in each draft. If there are only 12 and we are 13, then he might be willing to move up if it’s a position of need. Some of those blue chips should be QB, DT, and OT, and that would be enticing.

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33 minutes ago, LockeDown said:

You’ve heard the rumors. We’re taking Rivers, Carr, Brady, Bridgewater and a 5th rounder from Appalachian State.  

Agreed.  Rivers will start. Carr will finish each game when we r behind bu 21 points,  so he can pad his stats and completion percentage.  Brady will come into the game when we r behind by less 14 points and pad his 4th quarter comeback stats.  Wen all three go down with an injury then Bridegewater can start.

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1 hour ago, stitches said:

You do NOT trade up for DT when you don't have a franchise QB on your team. 

You do not draft a guard that high...I give you Quentin Nelson...and look what he has done for our franchise. We have pick 34 right there for insurance. WR, OT, DE or QB...

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58 minutes ago, Hoose said:

I wouldn't. Who knows.....Kinlaw may be the better prospect. Talent wise, they aren't that far apart, and Kinlaw has a very decent chance of being there at 13. 

Kinlaw’s really good...Brown is great. Watch Kinlaw in the Georgia game... swallowed up with those 1st/2nd round Georgia O-Linemen... 

 

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1 hour ago, FalseStart said:

You do not draft a guard that high...I give you Quentin Nelson...and look what he has done for our franchise. We have pick 34 right there for insurance. WR, OT, DE or QB...

Exactly..... Derrick Brown and Javon Kinlaw are not only penetrators and game-wreckers.... they are "tone setters" in the interior that would bring added value to our back seven guys.

 

Under a scenario where the Lions and Giants don't select Brown or Kinlaw.... and given the likelihood that Miami (Tua) and the Chargers (I'm predicting Love here) select QBs..... one or both of these DTs should be available at #8 where the Cardinals pick just ahead of Jacksonville. 

 

If only one of those guys is available at #8.... I would absolutely pitch a deal to AZ of our #13 and #75 pick.... and a flip-flop of our #34 for their #40 in Round 2. 

 

That would be an equitable swap and basically we're giving up a 3rd rounder and five spots in Round 2 to move up for Brown or Kinlaw.

 

If BOTH are available at #8? I almost guarantee that the Jags will take one of them.... and we'll be sweating out the next 3 selections.

 

I respect and totally get the QB-centric crowd sentiment in this discussion.... we've not been in QB purgatory like this in 20 years.

 

And if Jordan Love IS the next Patrick Mahomes 2-3 years from now.... whether we select him or not... I'll gladly take my lumps for doubting him.

 

At the same time.... remember that the closest thing we've had to a dominant DT in a full 28 years is Steve Emtman.... and his career was short-lived as he wound up maimed in both knees and out of football. 

 

And let's also remember that lacking that disruptive force on the interior DL costed us come playoff time.... and that was WITH Peyton Manning at QB....and Marvin...and Reggie....and Edge. 

 

All that HALL OF FAME juice on offense and we won 1 Lombardi.

 

This tells me that we shouldn't just reject out of hand the idea for moving up for a "best in breed" game-changer such as Brown or Kinlaw. Not to be reckless about it or to overpay....but we shouldn't just rule it out because of this overblown "positional value" line of thinking. JMO

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, pacolts56 said:

Exactly..... Derrick Brown and Javon Kinlaw are not only penetrators and game-wreckers.... they are "tone setters" in the interior that would bring added value to our back seven guys.

 

Under a scenario where the Lions and Giants don't select Brown or Kinlaw.... and given the likelihood that Miami (Tua) and the Chargers (I'm predicting Love here) select QBs..... one or both of these DTs should be available at #8 where the Cardinals pick just ahead of Jacksonville. 

 

If only one of those guys is available at #8.... I would absolutely pitch a deal to AZ of our #13 and #75 pick.... and a flip-flop of our #34 for their #40 in Round 2. 

 

That would be an equitable swap and basically we're giving up a 3rd rounder and five spots in Round 2 to move up for Brown or Kinlaw.

 

If BOTH are available at #8? I almost guarantee that the Jags will take one of them.... and we'll be sweating out the next 3 selections.

 

I respect and totally get the QB-centric crowd sentiment in this discussion.... we've not been in QB purgatory like this in 20 years.

 

And if Jordan Love IS the next Patrick Mahomes 2-3 years from now.... whether we select him or not... I'll gladly take my lumps for doubting him.

 

At the same time.... remember that the closest thing we've had to a dominant DT in a full 28 years is Steve Emtman.... and his career was short-lived as he wound up maimed in both knees and out of football. 

 

And let's also remember that lacking that disruptive force on the interior DL costed us come playoff time.... and that was WITH Peyton Manning at QB....and Marvin...and Reggie....and Edge. 

 

All that HALL OF FAME juice on offense and we won 1 Lombardi.

 

This tells me that we shouldn't just reject out of hand the idea for moving up for a "best in breed" game-changer such as Brown of Kinlaw. Not to be reckless about it or to overpay....but we shouldn't just rule it out because of this overblown "positional value" line of thinking. JMO

 

 

 

 

Completely Agree... I give you Mr. Derrick Brown...The Beast!

 

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3 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Agreed.  Rivers will start. Carr will finish each game when we r behind bu 21 points,  so he can pad his stats and completion percentage.  Brady will come into the game when we r behind by less 14 points and pad his 4th quarter comeback stats.  Wen all three go down with an injury then Bridegewater can start.

That’s good because it’ll give Jacoby more time to develop 

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1 hour ago, pacolts56 said:

Exactly..... Derrick Brown and Javon Kinlaw are not only penetrators and game-wreckers.... they are "tone setters" in the interior that would bring added value to our back seven guys.

 

Under a scenario where the Lions and Giants don't select Brown or Kinlaw.... and given the likelihood that Miami (Tua) and the Chargers (I'm predicting Love here) select QBs..... one or both of these DTs should be available at #8 where the Cardinals pick just ahead of Jacksonville. 

 

If only one of those guys is available at #8.... I would absolutely pitch a deal to AZ of our #13 and #75 pick.... and a flip-flop of our #34 for their #40 in Round 2. 

 

That would be an equitable swap and basically we're giving up a 3rd rounder and five spots in Round 2 to move up for Brown or Kinlaw.

 

If BOTH are available at #8? I almost guarantee that the Jags will take one of them.... and we'll be sweating out the next 3 selections.

 

I respect and totally get the QB-centric crowd sentiment in this discussion.... we've not been in QB purgatory like this in 20 years.

 

And if Jordan Love IS the next Patrick Mahomes 2-3 years from now.... whether we select him or not... I'll gladly take my lumps for doubting him.

 

At the same time.... remember that the closest thing we've had to a dominant DT in a full 28 years is Steve Emtman.... and his career was short-lived as he wound up maimed in both knees and out of football. 

 

And let's also remember that lacking that disruptive force on the interior DL costed us come playoff time.... and that was WITH Peyton Manning at QB....and Marvin...and Reggie....and Edge. 

 

All that HALL OF FAME juice on offense and we won 1 Lombardi.

 

This tells me that we shouldn't just reject out of hand the idea for moving up for a "best in breed" game-changer such as Brown or Kinlaw. Not to be reckless about it or to overpay....but we shouldn't just rule it out because of this overblown "positional value" line of thinking. JMO

 

 

 

 

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we don't have to get snippy with each other. Plenty of reallllly smart NFL GMs have said over and over, the game starts with two things: a passer, and second, someone to disrupt the other team's passer.

Play a game. Insert the greatest DL you can think of into our lineup. Say Reggie White. How many wins does that get us? seriously. Then, think of adding a dynamic passer. How many wins.

Who was more important? Manning or Freeney and Mathis? 

i pick passer. Now, it's not a zero-sum game. we could take a qb with one of our second round picks. 

But I'd rather aim for a qb. that's just me.

Oh, and this year, i think there are good qb prospects. after burrow and tua, I think Love and Eason are first round prospects, and Fromm isn't far behind.

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1 hour ago, Gigc said:

we don't have to get snippy with each other. Plenty of reallllly smart NFL GMs have said over and over, the game starts with two things: a passer, and second, someone to disrupt the other team's passer.

Play a game. Insert the greatest DL you can think of into our lineup. Say Reggie White. How many wins does that get us? seriously. Then, think of adding a dynamic passer. How many wins.

Who was more important? Manning or Freeney and Mathis? 

i pick passer. Now, it's not a zero-sum game. we could take a qb with one of our second round picks. 

But I'd rather aim for a qb. that's just me.

Oh, and this year, i think there are good qb prospects. after burrow and tua, I think Love and Eason are first round prospects, and Fromm isn't far behind.

Okay... Reggie White, Warren Sapp,  Haloti Ngata, Ndamukong Suh or Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Matt Leinart, EJ manual, Blake Bortles, Marcus Marriota, Paxton Lynch, (comparable to QB4,5,6 in this years draft) etc...

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we don't have to get snippy with each other. Plenty of reallllly smart NFL GMs have said over and over, the game starts with two things: a passer, and second, someone to disrupt the other team's passer.

Play a game. Insert the greatest DL you can think of into our lineup. Say Reggie White. How many wins does that get us? seriously. Then, think of adding a dynamic passer. How many wins.

Who was more important? Manning or Freeney and Mathis? 

i pick passer. Now, it's not a zero-sum game. we could take a qb with one of our second round picks. 

But I'd rather aim for a qb. that's just me.

Oh, and this year, i think there are good qb prospects. after burrow and tua, I think Love and Eason are first round prospects, and Fromm isn't far behind.

Here’s the fatal flaw with undervaluing the DT position.

 

Lets play your game....

 

You yourself outlined our template of Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison.... and let’s add Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark.

 

AND.... Freeney and Mathis at DEs.

 

Now.... ADD Warren Sapp in his prime and tell me how Brady, Rivers and Big Ben stand in the pocket like they did or their RBs flourish as Manning and Co. wrung their hands on the sidelines waiting to get back on the field.

 

Belichick and McDick have been masters at exploiting our soft spots in the interior trenches on both sides of the ball.

 

Aren’t we freakin tired of that? I sure am.

 

And I’m really glad that Ballard has made note of the importance of physical dominance in the trenches.... and has addressed it on offense with Nelson and Co.
 

Somewhere along with.... yes, figuring out the QB dilemma.... he needs to do the same at DT.

 

This Manning era stuff isn’t theoretical... it actually happened!

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6 hours ago, pacolts56 said:

Exactly..... Derrick Brown and Javon Kinlaw are not only penetrators and game-wreckers.... they are "tone setters" in the interior that would bring added value to our back seven guys.

 

Under a scenario where the Lions and Giants don't select Brown or Kinlaw.... and given the likelihood that Miami (Tua) and the Chargers (I'm predicting Love here) select QBs..... one or both of these DTs should be available at #8 where the Cardinals pick just ahead of Jacksonville. 

 

If only one of those guys is available at #8.... I would absolutely pitch a deal to AZ of our #13 and #75 pick.... and a flip-flop of our #34 for their #40 in Round 2. 

 

That would be an equitable swap and basically we're giving up a 3rd rounder and five spots in Round 2 to move up for Brown or Kinlaw.

 

If BOTH are available at #8? I almost guarantee that the Jags will take one of them.... and we'll be sweating out the next 3 selections.

 

I respect and totally get the QB-centric crowd sentiment in this discussion.... we've not been in QB purgatory like this in 20 years.

 

And if Jordan Love IS the next Patrick Mahomes 2-3 years from now.... whether we select him or not... I'll gladly take my lumps for doubting him.

 

At the same time.... remember that the closest thing we've had to a dominant DT in a full 28 years is Steve Emtman.... and his career was short-lived as he wound up maimed in both knees and out of football. 

 

And let's also remember that lacking that disruptive force on the interior DL costed us come playoff time.... and that was WITH Peyton Manning at QB....and Marvin...and Reggie....and Edge. 

 

All that HALL OF FAME juice on offense and we won 1 Lombardi.

 

This tells me that we shouldn't just reject out of hand the idea for moving up for a "best in breed" game-changer such as Brown or Kinlaw. Not to be reckless about it or to overpay....but we shouldn't just rule it out because of this overblown "positional value" line of thinking. JMO

 

 

 

 

I get that, but JJ Watt is a HOF talent, didnt seem to matter, Donaldson in LA with a good line AND offense... where were they?  I’m all for a stud DT, but playmakers, especially those who touch the ball, seem to make the most impact.

  That said, then you look at how Nelson seemed to change things. I’m excited to see what happens.

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I think it depends on how good you think Brown will be.  He will be the first DT taken in this draft, and SHOULD be.  He's a monster and should excel at any inside position in any scheme.  Kinlaw is very good and will be #2 but isn't as flexible.  I think there's a 50-50 chance Kinlaw will be available at 13.  I think it's probably less than 25% Brown will be.  The question is do you think Brown is worth an extra 2nd round pick over Kinlaw?  I think he might be but I would pay close attention to what happens in FA.  That will likely guide where you think teams in front of you might be looking at in terms of draft prospects.  Brown COULD be there at 13.  Not likely but not improbable either.

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Nelson was a total different situation we traded down and got him, If we traded up for Brown or Kinlaw then we are moving up for a player that has potential to fall to us and losing other draft picks that could be just as effective starters.

 

Not to mention our QB situation

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7 hours ago, Gigc said:

we don't have to get snippy with each other. Plenty of reallllly smart NFL GMs have said over and over, the game starts with two things: a passer, and second, someone to disrupt the other team's passer.

Play a game. Insert the greatest DL you can think of into our lineup. Say Reggie White. How many wins does that get us? seriously. Then, think of adding a dynamic passer. How many wins.

Who was more important? Manning or Freeney and Mathis? 

i pick passer. Now, it's not a zero-sum game. we could take a qb with one of our second round picks. 

But I'd rather aim for a qb. that's just me.

Oh, and this year, i think there are good qb prospects. after burrow and tua, I think Love and Eason are first round prospects, and Fromm isn't far behind.

The newest advanced analytics suggest that the best defender in the league currently and one of greatest ever(Aaron Donald) adds about as many wins as an average QB. And BTW Donald is head and shoulders above every other defender currently. QB as a position is just so much more valuable than every other position that it makes it not even a conversation for teams that need a QB. This is the reason QBs get overdrafted and overpaid every year. 

 

So yeah... If you don't have a franchise QB, and you like a QB in the draft, that takes precedence over other positions even if players at other positions are better prospects.

 

And if you don't have a franchise QB, and you don't like the QBs in this draft, then stack up with future picks that will help you get that franchise QB rather than wasting multiple premier assets on defensive tackle.

 

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6 hours ago, pacolts56 said:

Here’s the fatal flaw with undervaluing the DT position.

 

Lets play your game....

 

You yourself outlined our template of Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison.... and let’s add Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark.

 

AND.... Freeney and Mathis at DEs.

 

Now.... ADD Warren Sapp in his prime and tell me how Brady, Rivers and Big Ben stand in the pocket like they did or their RBs flourish as Manning and Co. wrung their hands on the sidelines waiting to get back on the field.

 

Belichick and McDick have been masters at exploiting our soft spots in the interior trenches on both sides of the ball.

 

Aren’t we freakin tired of that? I sure am.

 

And I’m really glad that Ballard has made note of the importance of physical dominance in the trenches.... and has addressed it on offense with Nelson and Co.
 

Somewhere along with.... yes, figuring out the QB dilemma.... he needs to do the same at DT.

 

This Manning era stuff isn’t theoretical... it actually happened!

well, yeah. but we don't have Manning. we have Jacoby.

I think we go for the qb first if we're choosing between trading up for a DT or a QB.

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5 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

So  who would u move up for? Qb i mean.

Not sure. Listening to the draft guys, Tua would be the only one to trade up for.

I don't think there's any chance cincy gives up Burrow. it would kill their fan base.

it's all academic. at this point, it looks like you'd have to trade up to Washington at 2 or Detroit at 3 because Miami AND San Diego look like they'll take qbs. I don't think we have the ammo to get that high. 

I think Tua would be the target because as much as I WANT to love Herbert, he has just underwhelmed every time I've watched him.

i say if we move up, it's just a couple of picks to get Love. Maybe Eason.

there's a lot of evaluation left. combine next week

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6 hours ago, pacolts56 said:

Here’s the fatal flaw with undervaluing the DT position.

 

Lets play your game....

 

You yourself outlined our template of Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison.... and let’s add Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark.

 

AND.... Freeney and Mathis at DEs.

 

Now.... ADD Warren Sapp in his prime and tell me how Brady, Rivers and Big Ben stand in the pocket like they did or their RBs flourish as Manning and Co. wrung their hands on the sidelines waiting to get back on the field.

 

Belichick and McDick have been masters at exploiting our soft spots in the interior trenches on both sides of the ball.

 

Aren’t we freakin tired of that? I sure am.

 

And I’m really glad that Ballard has made note of the importance of physical dominance in the trenches.... and has addressed it on offense with Nelson and Co.
 

Somewhere along with.... yes, figuring out the QB dilemma.... he needs to do the same at DT.

 

This Manning era stuff isn’t theoretical... it actually happened!

Nobody is talking about ignoring DT or the trenches. Hopefully Ballard can walk and chew gum at the same time. We are talking about prioritizing the use of premier assets. No13 is not the only pick we have and it's not like we don't have 90 million of capspace to address less urgent and less valuable needs. If he wants it, Ballard can outspend everybody on the best 3tech he likes in FA. Hell, he can get both the best 3tech and best 1tech on the market. At least at the DT position good to  great players hit the market every year. Franchise QBs almost never hit FA. This is why you prioritize getting a QB from the draft and for the best of them you usually have to use your best picks.

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Davis (Illinois) - The New Mexico Lobos ran a zone-scheme concept 318 times in 2023 and Davis was on the field for 316 of those snaps where he helped the team earn a 91.5 rushing grade with 58 explosive runs.  Davis is well-rounded earning a 78.6 inside-zone run grade and a 78.4 outside-zone run grade.  See how well Davis does after transferring the Big 10 this season.  Overall, 82.4 run-blocking grade in 2023.  Comparison Illinois Isaiah Adams was drafted #71 by Arizona and was ranked 8th best zone OL in 2023 and Davis was 5th best.  In 2022 Davis earned a 66.8 overall PFF grade and in 2023 had an 87.1 pass-blocking grade.  If the Colts do trade/cap release Braden Smith than Davis is a high target to hopefully take early to replace him.   Round 4 TE Jalin Conyers (Texas Tech) - In 2022 Conyers forced 21 missed tackles which led all TEs in the country.  Plus, ranked 4th in receiving yards after contact (170).  As a redshirt freshman in 2021 had a 73.5 pass-blocking grade while playing at Arizona State.  Conyers can be elusive with the ball in his hands.  In his first season was used heavily as a run-blocker (2021) and excelled as a blocker ranking him 4th in the Pac-12.  Back in August 2023 Rick Spielman said he may be the best run-blocking TE in the class behind Cade Stover.  Considered a true Y TE efficient at run-blocking and can catch with run-after ability.  Spielman said last year would have had a Late Day 2 grade, while Ryan Wilson says Rounds 3-4.  Potential to be a red zone monster in the NFL if he continues to grow his game.  Last year Round 4 was where tight ends were drafted and expect the same again in 2025.  Replaces Mo Alie-Cox.   Round 5 Edge/RDE Anton Juncaj (Arkansas) – 2023 College Football FCS All-America Team while at Albany.  2022 PFF grade of 75.1.  2023 final defense grade of 91.3, run defense 87.4, pass rush 90.6 and 68.5 coverage grade and racked up 55 tackles (34 solo), 21.5 TFL, 15 sacks, 3 PD and forced 5 fumbles.  Key matchups against RB Ollie Gordon II (Oklahoma St) the Reigning Doak Walker Award Winner from 2023 and projected first rounder LT Kelvin Banks Jr (Texas).   Round 6 Rover/SLB-SAF Justin Barron (Syracuse) - 2023 College Football All-ACC Team.  Defensive Captain. 6’4” 231 pounds had 0.5 sacks, 3 *, 1 FR, 1 INT, and 8 PDs in 2023 (81.4 PFF grade).  In 2022 had 64 tackles and 5 TFLs.  Reminds me of Jaylon Carlies whom the Colts just drafted in Round 5P151.  Key matchup versus Cal and RB Jayden Ott.  WR Eric Singleton Jr (Georgia Tech), WR Kevin Concepcion (NC State), WR-X Ricky White (UNLV), RB Desmond Reid, TE Justin Joly (UConn).  Solid in zone coverage.   Round 7 SS Mishael Powell Miami (FL) – Powell transferred from Washington.  In Week 8 he clocked 21.0 mph.  In 876 snaps in 2023 Powell played 477 in the slot, 165 in the box, and 122 at FS finishing with a strong 73.9 coverage and 69 defensive grades.   Potential UDFAs ·         QB KJ Jefferson (Arkansas) - 2023 PFF TOW 2 honors ·         R3-UDFA RT Jalen Travis (Iowa State) 6’7” 310 pounds - While at Princeton finished with an overall 80.7 PFF Grade and 9th best OT in D1 (89% pass blocking and 75% run blocking grades). – Much like OT Tyler McLellan (Campbell) signed with Chargers, project to UDFA in 2025.  See how he does at Iowa State against better competition as he graded slightly behind Kiran Amegadjie (Yale) who was drafted in Round 3 P11 by the Bears in 2024 NFL draft.  Listed as backup behind Tyler Miller. ·         LT Adam Karas (Air Force) - After 9 weeks Karas has an 83.9 run-blocking grade and an overall PFF grade of 87.4.  Overall, 86.3 PFF grade with just one penalty and 1 QB hurry on 296 total snaps.  Decent height 6’4” ·         RT Josh Fryar (OSU) - 2023 earned college football midseason all-America Honorable Mention.  Fryar finished 2023 with a 70.8 overall PFF grade.  Great height 6’6”.  Finished with a 70.8 PFF grade.  Gave up a team high 5 sacks but did earn a 77.2 run blocking grade and a 71.2 pass blocking grade. ·         LG Rush Reimer (Cal) – In 2023 Reimer earned first-team All-Big Sky Conference at LG with an overall 75.8 PFF Grade (D1-T8) at Montana State.  See how he does against better CFB competition.  Project goes UDFA much like Jake Kubas (7) (NY Giants), Ross Palmer (3), and (2) Donny Ventrelli (Bears).  Could be the next Mason McCormick (6) drafted by the Steelers P119 in the 2024 NFL draft.  Montana State used a lot of Inside Zone runs.  Cal has Reimer listed as backup LT for 2024. ·         RT/OG Grey Zabel (North Dakota State) 6’6” 296 pounds.  Zabel finished 2023 with an overall 79.3 PFF Grade as an OG.  Finished 10th among other listed tackles last season.  As a guard would have been 4th best D1.  Zabel started all 15 games in 2023 with 3 at guard and 12 at RT. ·         RB Harrison Waylee (Wyoming) – In 2023 clocked 21.8 mph in Week 4 T18 fastest player. ·         RB/KR Lan Larison (UC Davis) finished 2023 tied 7th overall FCS RB with an overall 89.2 PFF Grade (R5) in D1.  On 178 carries rushed for 1101 yards scoring 13 TDS while adding two more through the air on 21 REC for 198 yards.  Larison was the 2023 Big Sky Offensive Player of the Year.  In 2021 averaged 29.91 yards as a kick returner and 21.9 yards in 2022. ·         SWR/RB/KR/PR Chris Tyree (ND) 4.29s-forty speed excellent 3.95s shuttle (HS) and 38” vertical (HS).  In 2023 Week 9 clocked 21.0 mph. ·         WRX/Z Bo Belquist (North Dakota) 2023 overall 88.6 PFF Grade.  For D1 graded out as one of the top 10 WRs behind Hayden Hatten 86.1 whom the Seahawks added as an UDFA. ·         SWR Jacob De Jesus (UNLV) – best PR/KR #3 in PR and #13 in KR.  De Jesus was a top nomination to win the Jet Award in 2023 who was given to Zachariah Branch (USC). ·         WR-X Dymere Miller (Rutgers) – 2023 College Football FCS All-America Team with Monmouth.  Miller finished as the best receiver (D1) in 2023 with a 92.3 PFF grade (only behind Nabers).  Monmouth ran an inside zone with three different concepts in its base A gap zone.  Also pinched in as a kickoff returner with success (13.67 and 12.5 avgs). ·         WR Isaac TeSlaa (Arkansas) – Great Midwest American Conference Offensive Player of the Year in 2022 and received Honorable Mention All-American.  Strengths are ball tracking, hands, athleticism, 50/50 extraordinaire. ·         LEdge Aaron Lewis (Rutgers) - 2022 PFF Weeks 6 and 12 honors.  A disappointing 2023 season compared to 2022 grading 10 points lower.  (75.9 in 2023 compared to 85.5 in 2022).  Poor run-defense grade of 59.8 but was still an elite pass rusher.  His 91.5 pass-rushing grade since 2022 ranks 10th among all FBS edge defenders and his 18.7% pass-rush win rate places 11th in Power Five.  Needs to improve his run game. ·         Jack OLB/RDE Steve Linton (Baylor) – Linton transferred to Baylor from Texas Tech.  Injury prone, in 2023 suffered a broken thumb in August, sprained ankle in Big 12 opener vs West Virginia, aggravated it the following week then missed the last four games of regular season with back problems.  72% tackling, 88% pass rush, 61% run defense, 72% coverage.  Decent 4.62s-forty speed and 6’5” 235 pounds. ·         NCB Yam Banks (Ole’ Miss) - Made 2022 PFF College All-America Second Team while playing at South Alabama.  For 2024 listed as backup.  In 2022 Banks was a first-team All-Sun Belt pick and third team in 2023.  In 45 games, Banks racked up 147 TOT, 7 INT (6 in 2022 T3 in nation). ·         LCB Tommi Hill (Nebraska) – 4.55s forty speed.  In 2023 had an outstanding QB rating when targeted of 38.6.  With another solid year Hill could move up.  ·         FS Saiku White (Lafayette) - In 2023 White moved from SS to FS and had a career year with a final 2023 defense grade 91.4 best for 2nd, pass rush grade 74.4, a 90.7 coverage grade 4th best, and an 80.7 run defense grade 98th.   Team Captain. Achieved a 3.75 GPA in 2023. ·         LS Byron Floyd (PITT) – Floyds 81.7 grade this season leads all FBS LS.  Of his 41 LS on both punts/kicks only one has been charted as off-target.  Does have ties to Colts new DL coach.  Luke Rhodes, age 32, signed a 4-year contract extension on 09/23.  ·         LS Nick Barcelos (Nevada) - 2023 college football midseason all-America Second Team as a long snapper – Luke Rhodes signed a 4-year extension with the Colts September 8th, 2023.
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      Anthony Richardson: The Pocket Passer

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      FWIW:   Richardson, who was drafted weighing 244, admitted today on the Pat McAfee show that he played last year at 250 and now weighs 255 which is what he expects to weigh this season. 
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      Larry Allen passed away at 52

      By 2006Coltsbestever · Posted

      Larry Allen, Hall of Fame OG/OT, passed today. He is arguably the greatest Offensive Linemen of all-time. He could play right or left Guard or Tackle. He won a SB with the Cowboys in 1995. He is also known for having the NFL bench press record, when he benched 700 pounds down to chest and up once. I am shocked this hasn't been bigger news around the league.    RIP big fella.

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