Ballard and Reich Press Conference Thread

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, BOTT said:

Nor 3

I want to trade back and get Nelson personally 

[Shive]

31 minutes ago, superrep1967 said:

I thought he sounded like he won't take Chubb at 3 because there are good pass rushers in later rounds. Which might mean he's looking to trade back. But I could be wrong. 

I wouldn't read TOO much into that. No GM shows their cards before the draft and I think that statement was just a way to give an answer without really saying anything.

[The Fish]

I'm sorry, but this "he's going to be ready" doesn't square with "he's not throwing" easily for me at this point.

Nervous really doesn't describe this (because I'm not actually nervous, but let's just say I'm skeptical).

[Shive]

2 hours ago, VaAllDay757 said:

Chesapeake

Nice! Norfolk here.

[Stephen]

1 hour ago, Coffeedrinker said:

How dare you have that attitude on this forum.  Don't you know you have to pick one and vehemently criticize anyone that disagree with that position.  Not only that but you have to put down the other player and make it seem like that player is all hype but the one you have chosen is a sure thing.

 

You've been posting on this forum for a long, time you should know the rules by now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(For what it's worth I agree with you.  I think either Barkley or Chubb will help the Colts.  Trading down is not a bad option either because Barkley and Chubb are not the only good players in the draft.)

As long as we dont draft a bust I dont care who we take

[IndyScribe]

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

I can see this strategy with Melvin.  They have set their price and let him see what his market is.  But I hope he doesn't use the same strategy with Norwell or any other premium FA we are targeting.  If we want him we are going to have to pay.  That's just the way it is.  We have the money and to lose him because we have assigned an arbitrary value we are willing to pay is crazy.  Maybe for a lower tier FA but we will have to pay if we want a top tier guy.  You don't mess around. 

I doubt it. Unlike Melvin, Norwell is cheaper and has a history of good play.

[MackAttack]

Those guys are the best. I won't ever take them for granted

[VaAllDay757]

1 hour ago, Shive said:

Nice! Norfolk here.

That's what's up 

[IndyScribe]

2 hours ago, The Fish said:

I'm sorry, but this "he's going to be ready" doesn't square with "he's not throwing" easily for me at this point.

Nervous really doesn't describe this (because I'm not actually nervous, but let's just say I'm skeptical).

He has been throwing, not footballs, but stuff heavier than footballs. My guess is that Luck has been going through all the steps and just needs to progress forwards naturally, when the time comes. Right now, he's on schedule to be with the team on April 2nd.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, IndyScribe said:

I doubt it. Unlike Melvin, Norwell is cheaper and has a history of good play.

 

"Unlike Melvin, Norwell is....  CHEAPER?"

 

Im not sure you've been following that discussion.    Melvin will likely command 7, 8, 9 mill per year...   10 mill tops.   And probably at 3 or 4 years.

 

Norwell is highly likely about to become the highest paid guard in football.   Probably around 13 or 14 mill per year.

And his deal will be 5 years.

 

Norwell will be much more expensive to sign, both in terms of the average per year,  the signing bonus and the total guarantees...   the difference will be dramatic...

 

 

[jshipp23]

34 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

"Unlike Melvin, Norwell is....  CHEAPER?"

 

Im not sure you've been following that discussion.    Melvin will likely command 7, 8, 9 mill per year...   10 mill tops.   And probably at 3 or 4 years.

 

Norwell is highly likely about to become the highest paid guard in football.   Probably around 13 or 14 mill per year.

And his deal will be 5 years.

 

Norwell will be much more expensive to sign, both in terms of the average per year,  the signing bonus and the total guarantees...   the difference will be dramatic...

 

 

If we don't sign Melvin it's dumb in my opinion..I wouldn't go over 9 million for three years, 3 yr 27 million is what it will probably take..If he gets offered more or wants a 4th year then I let him walk..If we don't sign him it creates another hole that will make signing Trumaine Johnson a must, and will be more costly..Secondary is a strength, and I hope we keep it that way so we can focus draft and rest of free agency elsewhere..

[richard pallo]

11 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

If we don't sign Melvin it's dumb in my opinion..I wouldn't go over 9 million for three years, 3 yr 27 million is what it will probably take..If he gets offered more or wants a 4th year then I let him walk..If we don't sign him it creates another hole that will make signing Trumaine Johnson a must, and will be more costly..Secondary is a strength, and I hope we keep it that way so we can focus draft and rest of free agency elsewhere..

Very true but he has Rosenhaus now.  He'll push him out there.  He pretty much has to. Good chance we will be moving on from Melvin.  Maybe Fuller if he gets free or Gaines. 

[jshipp23]

3 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Very true but he has Rosenhaus now.  He'll push him out there.  He pretty much has to. Good chance we will be moving on from Melvin.  Maybe Fuller if he gets free or Gaines. 

I hate to see that..

[IndyScribe]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

"Unlike Melvin, Norwell is....  CHEAPER?"

 

Im not sure you've been following that discussion.    Melvin will likely command 7, 8, 9 mill per year...   10 mill tops.   And probably at 3 or 4 years.

 

Norwell is highly likely about to become the highest paid guard in football.   Probably around 13 or 14 mill per year.

And his deal will be 5 years.

 

Norwell will be much more expensive to sign, both in terms of the average per year,  the signing bonus and the total guarantees...   the difference will be dramatic...

 

 

Oh, I know. Norwell will be much more expensive compared to Melvin, but will be worth it, even with the slight overpay.

[jameszeigler834]

7 hours ago, IndyScribe said:

Unfortunate, but the right choice if he wants to much. From JMV, he wants higher than the Colts are willing to pay.

Let him walk then.

[NewColtsFan]

 

For everyone in the...   let him walk camp...

 

The problem with that is that it may cost MORE to sign his replacement than it might to sign Melvin for what he wants.  

 

I dont want want to be penny-wise but pound-foolish in the pursuit of Melvin.  If Ballard is letting him "test the market" that says to me that while we're prepared to lose Melvin we hope Melvin finds out the market isn't quite what he hopes for and he decides to stay.    

 

Ballard is disciplined...   I'm impressed...

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 If Ballard is letting him "test the market" that says to me that while we're prepared to lose Melvin we hope Melvin finds out the market isn't quite what he hopes for and he decides to stay.    

 

Ballard is disciplined...   I'm impressed...

 

 

This....

[Imrryr]

12 hours ago, csmopar said:

that or they plan on signing a veteran FA or taking Barkley(Man, I'd absolutely hate that) or possibly Chubb (RB) in rd 2

What if we got two chubbs...

[lollygagger8]

I think the Browns will take a QB 

Giants pick Barkley or trade down 

Colts pick Chubb 

 

[csmopar]

5 hours ago, Imrryr said:

What if we got two chubbs...

I'm completely okay with that.  

[richard pallo]

It's interesting to hear Ballard say you can still find ER's in the later rounds.  They don't have to be just 1st. rd. picks.  His choice of Basham with our 3rd. last year supports his statement.  He said he wants a difference maker with our 3rd. pick if we use it.  He's not giving away anything but to me this opens the door for any player at three including Barkley and Nelson.  If we pick at three it will be BPA regardless of position. 

[jshipp23]

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

It's interesting to hear Ballard say you can still find ER's in the later rounds.  They don't have to be just 1st. rd. picks.  His choice of Basham with our 3rd. last year supports his statement.  He said he wants a difference maker with our 3rd. pick if we use it.  He's not giving away anything but to me this opens the door for any player at three including Barkley and Nelson.  If we pick at three it will be BPA regardless of position. 

Ballard had 2 prime examples on his Chiefs teams to varying degrees...Tamba Hali was drafted later in 1st round at pick 20, and Justin Houston who was drafted in the 3rd round..So Ballard in his mind, knows he can find a pro bowl level pass rusher later and isn't going to force it at 3 if he feels a higher rated player is there...

[Trueman]

2 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Ballard had 2 prime examples on his Chiefs teams to varying degrees...Tamba Hali was drafted later in 1st round at pick 20, and Justin Houston who was drafted in the 3rd round..So Ballard in his mind, knows he can find a pro bowl level pass rusher later and isn't going to force it at 3 if he feels a higher rated player is there...

 

Lol.

 

 Pretty much all the threads lead back to the same debate.

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, Trueman said:

 

Lol.

 

 Pretty much all the threads lead back to the same debate.

I know man...lol..Free Agency needs to start already so there is something else to talk about..

[Trueman]

1 minute ago, jshipp23 said:

I know man...lol..Free Agency needs to start already so there is something else to talk about..

 

Agreed. I'm hoping there's some more cuts on the way, the free agent pool is a little shallow in some positions. 

 

 

[jshipp23]

I forgot to mention Dee Ford who was also a late 1st rd pick...I think Ballard is confident he can find a pass rushers in top of 2nd or even 3rd based on his own Chiefs squads as evidence..

Edited March 1, 2018 by jshipp23

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, Trueman said:

 

Agreed. I'm hoping there's some more cuts on the way, the free agent pool is a little shallow in some positions. 

 

 

Yeah..Im ready, I'm sure there will be, and some trades as well...It's gonna be fun..Hopefully some unexpected guys become available at DE,CB,LB, G and WR..

[Trueman]

1 minute ago, jshipp23 said:

Yeah..Im ready, I'm sure there will be, and some trades as well...It's gonna be fun..Hopefully some unexpected guys become available at DE,CB,LB, G and WR..

 

Doubt any proven difference makers at DE will become available. The best we can hope for is a guy with some untapped potential or someone with injury/character concerns. 

 

I think we need to add a LB, G and WR in free agency though. They don't have to be stars or anything, but we're pretty much empty at those positions and we simply can't plug all of our holes at the draft and address those positions. 

 

If Sammy Watkins becomes a FA , I really think we should strongly consider it.

[jshipp23]

2 minutes ago, Trueman said:

 

Doubt any proven difference makers at DE will become available. The best we can hope for is a guy with some untapped potential or someone with injury/character concerns. 

 

I think we need to add a LB, G and WR in free agency though. They don't have to be stars or anything, but we're pretty much empty at those positions and we simply can't plug all of our holes at the draft and address those positions. 

 

If Sammy Watkins becomes a FA , I really think we should strongly consider it.

I'm hoping we land Allen Robinson regardless of price based on his age and potential, guys like that rarely are available..Then guys like Richardson for the slot should be considered as well..In the draft hopefully we look hard at Cobbs Jr or St. Brown as big bodied, field stretching WR's with high ceilings to develop..Also Dallas Goedert should be looked at hard in the 2nd, he is the next Jimmy Graham type player who can be used as TE and as a big WR in my opinion..We need someone else to take the top off the defense other than Hilton, and this would help Hilton a lot by taking attention off him and freeing him up..I have a feeling Reich will utilize Rogers in the slot successfully as well..

[Trueman]

1 minute ago, jshipp23 said:

I'm hoping we land Allen Robinson regardless of price based on his age and potential, guys like that rarely are available..Then guys like Richardson for the slot should be considered as well..In the draft hopefully we look hard at Cobbs Jr or St. Brown as big bodied, field stretching WR's with high ceilings to develop..Also Dallas Goedert should be looked at hard in the 2nd, he is the next Jimmy Graham type player who can be used as TE and as a big WR in my opinion..We need someone else to take the top off the defense other than Hilton, and this would help Hilton a lot by taking attention off him and freeing him up..I have a feeling Reich will utilize Rogers in the slot successfully as well..

Yeah, I just think Robinson is going to command a lot of money. For me, I'm not sure Watkins will demand that much cash when you consider his injuries and production. And honestly, I think Watkins is far more talented. If we can get Sammy on a 1 or 2 year deal , and give him a QB like Luck... look out. Of course ,he'd have to stay healthy though. I mean he's only 24...

[jshipp23]

3 minutes ago, Trueman said:

Yeah, I just think Robinson is going to command a lot of money. For me, I'm not sure Watkins will demand that much cash when you consider his injuries and production. And honestly, I think Watkins is far more talented. If we can get Sammy on a 1 or 2 year deal , and give him a QB like Luck... look out. Of course ,he'd have to stay healthy though. I mean he's only 24...

I like Watkins too..I don't think he is on same level as Robinson who is also young and is a proven guy..Robinson has some Terrell Owens like ability in him..

[IndyScribe]

2 hours ago, Trueman said:

Yeah, I just think Robinson is going to command a lot of money. For me, I'm not sure Watkins will demand that much cash when you consider his injuries and production. And honestly, I think Watkins is far more talented. If we can get Sammy on a 1 or 2 year deal , and give him a QB like Luck... look out. Of course ,he'd have to stay healthy though. I mean he's only 24...

I think Robinson gets tagged. I don't think Watkins is worth it.

[jshipp23]

7 hours ago, IndyScribe said:

I think Robinson gets tagged. I don't think Watkins is worth it.

I can't believe he hasn't been tagged to be honest, guys like that are never available...If he somehow is we need to roll out red carpet for him and Norwell, don't let them leave the building and overpay if necessary....

[NewColtsFan]

I'd be fine with offering Watkins a 1-year prove it deal....   and I'd Be willing to get his attention...   $10 mill...   and a mill or two in incentives tied to games played.

 

Perhaps a year with Luck and Frank changes him?    He does well and then he's looking at a pay day....   I suspect Watkins is going to be disappointed at the market he's looking at...    we'll soon find out...

 

[Narcosys]

On 28/02/2018 at 8:08 PM, IndyScribe said:

Unfortunate, but the right choice if he wants to much. From JMV, he wants higher than the Colts are willing to pay.

Called this a couple weeks back

[superrep1967]

On 2/28/2018 at 3:55 PM, jshipp23 said:

If Barkley is there he will be a COLT..All the RB haters just need to get used to it. We have an actual competent G.M who sees the light..Might as well jump on the bandwagon now. ..

The GM's always say we draft the best player and not necessarily on need. If that's true then they will draft Barkley at 3 if he's available. 

[superrep1967]

3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I'd be fine with offering Watkins a 1-year prove it deal....   and I'd iayvgiid mo eye to get his attention...   $10 mill...   and a mill or two in incentives tied to games played.

 

Perhaps a year with Luck and Frank changes him?    He does well and then he's looking at a pay day....   I suspect WTkins is going to be disappointed at the market he's looking at...    we'll soon find out...

 

I think that's a great idea and would jump on it if I'm the Colts if he'll do it. 

[superrep1967]

On 3/1/2018 at 3:55 AM, Imrryr said:

What if we got two chubbs...

That would be cool. 

[Coltfreak]

On 2/28/2018 at 5:59 PM, BOTT said:

Nor 3

He will be.   Just not by the Colts.   Not sure why people don't realize that to drive up the value of the pick you need to make people think you are taking him. 

[BOTT]

26 minutes ago, Coltfreak said:

He will be.   Just not by the Colts.   Not sure why people don't realize that to drive up the value of the pick you need to make people think you are taking him. 

Yeah, think people realize that...still doesn't mean teams want to trade up for a rb.