Pagano's future?

[Superman]

Underachieving and not getting as far as we could because we are starting the right players and using this team to it's full potential. It's going to be a regular one and done thing in the playoffs with Pagano unless he changes soon. We finally have a defense as well, but it doesn't even matter so much because we can't beat New England, Denver gives us fits, and we have trouble against any team that will make the playoffs. That comes down to game planning and Pagano outsmarting the other team's coach, which I don't have faith he can do.

Why are people obsessed with this fear of going one-and-done? This is only Year 3, and the team already has been past the first round. Isn't that progression?

Big picture, this team has OVER-achieved.

[Superman]

I understand. If I see a rookie that has a solid training camp or has a solid game, then I want to give him another chance. That's just me and I'm a bit impatient, but IMO, it's the best way to see if a rookie is ready and if not, bench him. only reason I had a problem with Moncrief and Newsome, they got reduced playing time after solid performances which didn't make sense (though now they are getting more time).

Newsome and Kerr both got reduced time because they were bad against the run in the Pats game, IMO.

I understand not being excited about the limited potential vets and wanting to see the young guys play. (Ironically, I think that's the reasoning behind the Harrison/Shipley deal, but people don't like that.)

[Sting]

We need to put together strong drives and come out of the gate swinging to make a statement. If we fall behind early In Denver or New England, it's adios.

Yes, and the best players should be starting.  That means Boom should be in and TR out.  So tired of seeing TR waste our 1st couple of downs.  This is just one example of the stubbornness of Pags/Pep, don't even want to discuss the Satele issue.  Everyone on the planet can see that Boom offers so much more running the ball.  

 

TR is a flat out bust and I was irritated to no end when I heard about the trade for him.  He has no vision and no burst.  He may be passable as a pass blocker, but that is not worth throwing away a 1st round pick.  Griggs worst move to this point.

[tfunky14]

Underachieving and not getting as far as we could because we are starting the right players and using this team to it's full potential. It's going to be a regular one and done thing in the playoffs with Pagano unless he changes soon. We finally have a defense as well, but it doesn't even matter so much because we can't beat New England, Denver gives us fits, and we have trouble against any team that will make the playoffs. That comes down to game planning and Pagano outsmarting the other team's coach, which I don't have faith he can do.

If you think "One" NFL team is going to win a Super Bowl every year please wake up. It doesn't happen, it can, but it's rare, hasn't happen in 14 years I believe.

Coach Pagano and his staff have done wonders to team that finished just 2-12  a few years ago and if you can't see that please wake up.

Do I want the Colts to win Championship, yes of course but I also am excited that the Colts have a coaching staff that gives them the opportunity to win ever year not like the other sub par teams of Jacksonville, Washington to name a few.

 

People like you have no concept of how hard it is to win in the NFL. This is not high school football. Peyton Manning himself has always said winning in the NFL is hard.

[Yoshinator]

Oh my gosh! You NAYSAYERS need to spend time somewhere else...So many good posts on here.

 

Is Chuck Pagano the BEST COACH EVER? No....is he the WORST COACH EVER? No!

 

Someone on here says Chuck is ruining this team with "his loyalty". Whoa WHOA!! Since when is Loyalty a NEGATIVE thing? Seriously come on. Loyalty is one of the best features of ANY human being PERIOD! To me...That's what most of you naysayers lack...LOYALTY.

 

I guarantee you...ABSOLUTELY guarantee you there are TONS of situations in the NFL where the "unpopular" decision was made out of "loyalty" "stupidity" "ignorance" "proof" "best educated decisions" or any other number of things you want to pick there where it turned out to be one of the best decisions for the team down the road. Not everything will work out to be perfect or correct...but for hell sakes people not EVERYTHING will turn out to be the WRONG choice either!

 

I'm willing to support THE TEAM (which includes Coach Pagano) because you know why? We are definitely CONTENDERS! We have ever since Luck AND Pagano AND TY Hilton....AND Dwayne Allen....AND Trent Richardson (Yes, TRENT the underperforming RB)...we still find ways to win even when we shoot ourself in the foot...to me that's what makes a team so much more dangerous than any other team. 

 

Do I hope we get more consistent? Yes. Do I hope we reduce the turnovers? Yes. Do I want Chuck fired? No. Do I want Luck benched because he fumbles the ball and throws picks? No.

 

Thank goodness I have a team I've been a fan of for MANY years...MANY MANY years that I've enjoyed double digit win seasons and MANY playoff appearances with MANY opportunities to win in the playoffs and get to the big game! I'll continue to take that ANY DAY...because the "excitement" of getting there is what keeps the game so much fun.

This is a good post, but I will tell that you loyalty is a negative thing when you are starting players who are worse than other players because they have been on the team longer, or they have played longer. That's when loyalty is bad. You have to have the best possible team at all times, regardless of who you are biased towards. I love this team as well, and that's why it irritates me to see all these simple, boneheaded decisions made that could get Luck killed or be the difference between a win or a loss. I said this in a previous thread, but I don't know how Pagano determines how some of these guys start, it doesn't seem like it's based off of performance.

[tfunky14]

Maybe not, but I have the right to voice my opinion, and at least I have evidence of a lot of things he has done that have been wrong and have hurt the team. The majority of people supporting Pagano have no facts on why he's good. they just blurt out his record or say I'm wrong.

Coming from a picture of you doing your nails.

[BOTT]

I now it's not right, but have a difficult time have confidence in a coach that uses "uh" and "ya know" as often as Pagano does lol. To be fair, he has lessened his use of "ya know" to an almost tolerable level.

[Happy2BeHere]

This is a good post, but I will tell that you loyalty is a negative thing when you are starting players who are worse than other players because they have been on the team longer, or they have played longer. That's when loyalty is bad. You have to have the best possible team at all times, regardless of who you are biased towards. I love this team as well, and that's why it irritates me to see all these simple, boneheaded decisions made that could get Luck killed or be the difference between a win or a loss. I said this in a previous thread, but I don't know how Pagano determines how some of these guys start, it doesn't seem like it's based off of performance.

 

I understand what your saying..but loyalty EVEN then is not bad. Just because it may not fit YOUR timeline or MY timeline doesn't make it the wrong answer though either. There are a lot of guys on a team. Rest assured Chuck Pagano is not relying solely on HIS OWN opinion to make all these decisions. I don't think keeping the "wrong" guys in just because we think they are the "wrong" guys is a call I can make..I'm going to give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt assuming they are doing their do diligence to get players in positions best suited for their talents. Sometimes this will result in a player being cut...and that's a good thing also.

[CoachLite]

This is a good post, let me just ask you one question? Do you honestly think we have a chance of winning a super bowl with chuck pagano as coach? Think about that for a minute and give me an honest answer.

My best answer (IMO): We probably have sufficient on-field talent to win a Super Bowl. I do not think we will win a Super Bowl with the current coaching staff, and here's why: The staff is overly dedicated to tactics, and insufficiently aware of strategies needed to perform at a top level. Having said that, there is a lack of player preparation at the strategic level by the coaching staff. By this I mean, there is an over-reliance on player tactical execution even when perfect tactical execution is inconsistent with the necessary strategy to win the game. This weakness is not merely in the head coach, but at every level of the coaching staff - even to the OLine coaching and Quarterback coaching. This seems puzzling to me.

Furthermore, I'm not sure the coaching staff could / can ever see the reasons for my criticisms. The strategy doesn't change from game to game, situation to situation, because there isn't one (at least not a sufficient one). Sun Tsu, "What is of supreme importance in war is to upset the enemy's strategic plans". If the enemy doesn't have an adequate strategy, the war is already lost for he is his own worst enemy.

[Cynjin]

Maybe not, but I have the right to voice my opinion, and at least I have evidence of a lot of things he has done that have been wrong and have hurt the team. The majority of people supporting Pagano have no facts on why he's good. they just blurt out his record or say I'm wrong.

 

Really, you have evidence?  So far all you have posted is opinion and, quite frankly, wild speculation.  If you care to share with the board your "facts" please do, but also don't just say player X should start over player Z.  Actually tell us why, what assignments has player Z blown, what were the plays called, what were the player's responsibilities on those plays, how has the player performed in practice and why player X would perform better in those situations than player Z.  I'm sure we will all be waiting with baited breath.

[Yoshinator]

I understand what your saying..but loyalty EVEN then is not bad. Just because it may not fit YOUR timeline or MY timeline doesn't make it the wrong answer though either. There are a lot of guys on a team. Rest assured Chuck Pagano is not relying solely on HIS OWN opinion to make all these decisions. I don't think keeping the "wrong" guys in just because we think they are the "wrong" guys is a call I can make..I'm going to give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt assuming they are doing their do diligence to get players in positions best suited for their talents. Sometimes this will result in a player being cut...and that's a good thing also.

You're right, it's not just Pagano that decides on things, but he does have the final say. I just cringe every time I see the right side of the O-Line crumble and Luck take a hit or be sacked. An example is that when Harrison and i think it was Reitz was out of the browns game and replaced with Shipley and Holmes, Luck's protection was near perfect. i just wish I knew what they see in Harrison and Louis.

[1959Colts]

 

With the amount of talent this team has??? I think this is what get some fans into trouble. This team doesn't really have the talent to compete with the very best teams.

 

So you think the other playoff teams have much better talent than the Colts?

Really?

[1959Colts]

 

Yes, and the best players should be starting.  That means Boom should be in and TR out.  So tired of seeing TR waste our 1st couple of downs.  This is just one example of the stubbornness of Pags/Pep, don't even want to discuss the Satele issue.  Everyone on the planet can see that Boom offers so much more running the ball.  

 

TR is a flat out bust and I was irritated to no end when I heard about the trade for him.  He has no vision and no burst.  He may be passable as a pass blocker, but that is not worth throwing away a 1st round pick.  Griggs worst move to this point.

Right. whats with Paganos insistance to keep going with Richardson?

It's killing us.

We should have ran Herron down the Browns throat like the Bengals did yesterday.

And we should have run Herron way more against Houston.

What;s more important? Winning the game or saving face for Grigson?

[1959Colts]

 

Why are people obsessed with this fear of going one-and-done? This is only Year 3, and the team already has been past the first round. Isn't that progression?

Big picture, this team has OVER-achieved.

 

Don't take offense, but I just can't agree with your satisfaction with the teams play.

We could (and should) do better.

This team has many excellent players at skill positions. Decent defense and special teams.

I personally am not satisfied with just winning our crappy division and then losing in the playoffs.

The heck with next year, we may do worse then. The time to win is now. First in Dallas and then beyond. And if we are to do so, it begins with Chuck Pagano.

[ColtsFanMikeC]

TY didn't start until about halfway through his rookie year, Ballard was behind Donald Brown i believe. Mewhort was supposed to be a backup to Donald Thomas until he got injured for the year. I'll give you Harrison. Moncrief took 3 months before the coaching staff got their head out of their rear and decided to start him. Kerr and Newsome are still getting limited playing time, which is crap. All of these guys except Harrison have been victims of Pagano's favoritism game toward the Veterans.

 

Ballard started 12 of 16 games and nearly double Brown's yardage and rushing attempts.  Mewhort has started since game 1, supposed to doesn't matter --  he's our starter and he is a rookie (we have other vets that have sat on the bench behind Mewhort).  Wayne was healthy and playing great football in the beginning of the year, when  he got hurt Moncrief saw his snap count increase.  Moncrief is still raw -- he certainly has talent but he wasn't ready to be our starter (nor deserving) week 1.  Kerr had a few games where he played poorly and got benched for it -- Kerr also benefitted from Art Jones being hurt (Art Jones, IMO, is our most talented DL, when he is healthy, Kerr simply is not as good as him and doesn't deserve to be on the field).  Newsome is a pass rush specialist at best at this point in his career, he doesn't deserve to be on the field over Walden or Werner unless it is a very obvious pass rush situation. 

 

You are wrong.

 

This is a good post, let me just ask you one question? Do you honestly think we have a chance of winning a super bowl with chuck pagano as coach? Think about that for a minute and give me an honest answer.

 

Yes.  Why would we not think this?  Pagano won a playoff game with a banged up team in year 2 as a head coach (or, like I think you've pointed out, year 1 as a head coach because Pagano doesn't deserve credit for Arians' work the year before).  We are building this monster and have overachieved.  Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are 2 of the best QBs to ever play in this league and they have had better overall teams than us -- they are going to be retiring soon just as our team is becoming more complete.

 

do you not understand that rookies may not be ready to play week one? I'm guessing that was the case with Dante. Reggie certainly didn't get all the snaps his first year. This premise that the staff is playing guys out of some sort of loyalty is absurd. Their jobs are on the line. They play the guys they think give them the best opportunity to win. Grigson and pagano have brought all of these guys in. They are all "their" guys.

 

Correct -- don't forget that Reggie was healthy and playing very good football earlier in the year.  His injury opened a door for Donte to see increased playing time.

 

I can answer this, Jim Harbaugh.

 

You are kidding, right?  The 49ers have arguably the best roster (on paper) in the NFL and they have regressed under Harbaugh -- do you not read or watch the news reports about how divided that locker room is and how many players have been complaining about Harbaugh?  He had a couple decent years before the NFL figured our Kaepernick and his system and he has shown very little ability to make necessary adjustments -- sorry, with that defense and with the tools on offense (Frank Gore, Anquain Boldin, Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Stevie Johnson, etc..) there is no way that team shouldn't make the playoffs.

 

If where going to get real do you think he would be 32-9 without Andrew luck 

 

Luck has been terrific - but we were 2-14 the year before Luck came on -- Luck, as a rookie, won 11 games and we have reached double digits in wins his next 2 seasons -- yes, Luck deserves a lot of credit, but so does the coaching staff.  We changed our offensive, defensive, and special teams schemes entirely and pretty much have an entirely different team (we actually changed our offensive system twice since Luck has started) -- I don't think we can fault our coaching staff for helping our team get to double digit victories 3 years in a row given what they came into.

 

My point is that if you're better than the person ahead of you, you should start. Unless you don't know the playbook or something there is really no excuses. We are also rebuilding, so if these guys are better than the Veterans, it's a must for them to start and continue to develop. Sitting them only hurts the teams and stunts the rookies growth.

 

Wrong -- having players on the field that aren't fully ready for it subjects them (and other players) to injury.  And, our young guys, for the most part have been given plenty of opportunity to start, or play if they deserve it.

 

Our 2012 draft class:

 

Luck -- starter from Day 1

Fleener -- Starter from Day 1

Allen -- Starter from Day 1

TY -- Worked his way into starting role and played significant part in the offense as a rookie

Chapman -- was coming off injury and was developmental draft pick

Vick Ballard -- started 12 games, lead team in rushing yards and rushing attempts (almost doubling the next guy on team)

Lavon Brazill -- another developmental player who had some chances to play, though wasn't deserving of getting starter reps

 

None of other draft picks worked out

 

2013 Draft:

Werner -- developmental player who wasn't intended to start in year 1, nor deserving to start in year 1, starting in year 2 and doing well

Thornton -- 12 game starter

Holmes -- injured

Hughes -- was in the rotation, and as a developmental player didn't deserve any more time than that, seeing increased role in year 2

None of our other draft picks worked out or deserved to get much playing time

 

2014 draft:

Mewhort -- starter since game 1

Moncrief -- didn't deserve to start early in season with TY and Wayne healthy, is working into the mix nicely as of late (after injury to Wayne opened door for this)

Newsome -- playing well as pass rusher, doesn't deserve much more time than he is getting as we have better overall LBs on the team right now, especially in terms of stopping the run

A. Jackson -- playing on special teams, doesn't deserve to start or see much field time on defense as of now

U. John - injured

 

undrafted;

Harrison - starter

Dewey McDonald - ST player, doesn't deserve time on defense at this point

Purifoy - ST player who saw defensive reps before getting cut

Tipton - ST player who was brought up after injury to Bradshaw -- probably doesn't deserve starting time at RB

 

Can you tell me again that Pagano plays favorites and has a grudge against young players?

[swflacoltsfans]

An article about recipes would have been more rewarding.

[BlueCollarColts]

To quote one of my favorite movies! "Why is it that winning is not enough?"

[BOTT]

So you think the other playoff teams have much better talent than the Colts?Really?

Yes.

Castonzo is the only above average player on the offensive line

The defensive front seven doesn't have a true game changer

The safeties are playing to the best of their abilities, but lack top end talent

Richardson is one of the worst backs in the league

Outside of Hilton and the rookie Moncrief, the receivers are kinda slow and have a hard time beating press

The Colts have some young guys who might develop into something, but right now the talent/experience just isn't there.

[Superman]

Right. whats with Paganos insistance to keep going with Richardson?

It's killing us.

We should have ran Herron down the Browns throat like the Bengals did yesterday.

And we should have run Herron way more against Houston.

What;s more important? Winning the game or saving face for Grigson?

What if Boom has been fumbling the ball in practice every day? Could that have something to do with why he wasn't automatically given the lead role?

Also, just for the sake of fact, Boom has outtouched and outsnapped Richardson pretty much every week, since Bradshaw got hurt.

[HtownColt]

I now it's not right, but have a difficult time have confidence in a coach that uses "uh" and "ya know" as often as Pagano does lol. To be fair, he has lessened his use of "ya know" to an almost tolerable level.

Guess his public speaking course failed him

[Superman]

Don't take offense, but I just can't agree with your satisfaction with the teams play.

We could (and should) do better.

This team has many excellent players at skill positions. Decent defense and special teams.

I personally am not satisfied with just winning our crappy division and then losing in the playoffs.

The heck with next year, we may do worse then. The time to win is now. First in Dallas and then beyond. And if we are to do so, it begins with Chuck Pagano.

Who said I'm satisfied with anything? I'm just not tortured by the disappointments of the past.

[Yoshinator]

Ballard started 12 of 16 games and nearly double Brown's yardage and rushing attempts.  Mewhort has started since game 1, supposed to doesn't matter --  he's our starter and he is a rookie (we have other vets that have sat on the bench behind Mewhort).  Wayne was healthy and playing great football in the beginning of the year, when  he got hurt Moncrief saw his snap count increase.  Moncrief is still raw -- he certainly has talent but he wasn't ready to be our starter (nor deserving) week 1.  Kerr had a few games where he played poorly and got benched for it -- Kerr also benefitted from Art Jones being hurt (Art Jones, IMO, is our most talented DL, when he is healthy, Kerr simply is not as good as him and doesn't deserve to be on the field).  Newsome is a pass rush specialist at best at this point in his career, he doesn't deserve to be on the field over Walden or Werner unless it is a very obvious pass rush situation. 

 

You are wrong.

 

 

Yes.  Why would we not think this?  Pagano won a playoff game with a banged up team in year 2 as a head coach (or, like I think you've pointed out, year 1 as a head coach because Pagano doesn't deserve credit for Arians' work the year before).  We are building this monster and have overachieved.  Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are 2 of the best QBs to ever play in this league and they have had better overall teams than us -- they are going to be retiring soon just as our team is becoming more complete.

 

 

Correct -- don't forget that Reggie was healthy and playing very good football earlier in the year.  His injury opened a door for Donte to see increased playing time.

 

 

You are kidding, right?  The 49ers have arguably the best roster (on paper) in the NFL and they have regressed under Harbaugh -- do you not read or watch the news reports about how divided that locker room is and how many players have been complaining about Harbaugh?  He had a couple decent years before the NFL figured our Kaepernick and his system and he has shown very little ability to make necessary adjustments -- sorry, with that defense and with the tools on offense (Frank Gore, Anquain Boldin, Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Stevie Johnson, etc..) there is no way that team shouldn't make the playoffs.

 

 

Luck has been terrific - but we were 2-14 the year before Luck came on -- Luck, as a rookie, won 11 games and we have reached double digits in wins his next 2 seasons -- yes, Luck deserves a lot of credit, but so does the coaching staff.  We changed our offensive, defensive, and special teams schemes entirely and pretty much have an entirely different team (we actually changed our offensive system twice since Luck has started) -- I don't think we can fault our coaching staff for helping our team get to double digit victories 3 years in a row given what they came into.

 

 

Wrong -- having players on the field that aren't fully ready for it subjects them (and other players) to injury.  And, our young guys, for the most part have been given plenty of opportunity to start, or play if they deserve it.

 

Our 2012 draft class:

 

Luck -- starter from Day 1

Fleener -- Starter from Day 1

Allen -- Starter from Day 1

TY -- Worked his way into starting role and played significant part in the offense as a rookie

Chapman -- was coming off injury and was developmental draft pick

Vick Ballard -- started 12 games, lead team in rushing yards and rushing attempts (almost doubling the next guy on team)

Lavon Brazill -- another developmental player who had some chances to play, though wasn't deserving of getting starter reps

 

None of other draft picks worked out

 

2013 Draft:

Werner -- developmental player who wasn't intended to start in year 1, nor deserving to start in year 1, starting in year 2 and doing well

Thornton -- 12 game starter

Holmes -- injured

Hughes -- was in the rotation, and as a developmental player didn't deserve any more time than that, seeing increased role in year 2

None of our other draft picks worked out or deserved to get much playing time

 

2014 draft:

Mewhort -- starter since game 1

Moncrief -- didn't deserve to start early in season with TY and Wayne healthy, is working into the mix nicely as of late (after injury to Wayne opened door for this)

Newsome -- playing well as pass rusher, doesn't deserve much more time than he is getting as we have better overall LBs on the team right now, especially in terms of stopping the run

A. Jackson -- playing on special teams, doesn't deserve to start or see much field time on defense as of now

U. John - injured

 

undrafted;

Harrison - starter

Dewey McDonald - ST player, doesn't deserve time on defense at this point

Purifoy - ST player who saw defensive reps before getting cut

Tipton - ST player who was brought up after injury to Bradshaw -- probably doesn't deserve starting time at RB

 

Can you tell me again that Pagano plays favorites and has a grudge against young players?

Pagano plays favorites and has a grudge against young players. TY as a 3rd rounder in the 1st year of a rebuild should of been an automatic starter. Balard started because of injury. Werner was a wasted pick because we had no business drafting a developmental player in the 1st in 2013. Mewhort only started because of an injury to Donald Thomas. Moncrief was started way too late, should of been started after the pitt game. Newsome has had two awesome games in the games he got a lot of snaps, he should have a lot more snaps. Harrison is the exception and he has actually underperformed in comparision to shipley.

 

Bottom line is, players drafted that show promise or that are drafted in the 1st three rounds on a rebuilding team should play. We can't afford to sit our promising players because we have average veterans and want to play it safe.

[CanuckColt]

Good heavens...

I suggest you guys make your peace with Chuck Pagano. He isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.

Then neither are the Colts.

[Superman]

Pagano plays favorites and has a grudge against young players. TY as a 3rd rounder in the 1st year of a rebuild should of been an automatic starter. Balard started because of injury. Werner was a wasted pick because we had no business drafting a developmental player in the 1st in 2013. Mewhort only started because of an injury to Donald Thomas. Moncrief was started way too late, should of been started after the pitt game. Newsome has had two awesome games in the games he got a lot of snaps, he should have a lot more snaps. Harrison is the exception and he has actually underperformed in comparision to shipley.

You're just gonna keep on repeating the same inaccurate information, huh?

[1959Colts]

 

Who said I'm satisfied with anything? I'm just not tortured by the disappointments of the past.

 

But if we get destroyed in round one this year? Your ok?

[BOTT]

Pagano plays favorites and has a grudge against young players. TY as a 3rd rounder in the 1st year of a rebuild should of been an automatic starter. Balard started because of injury. Werner was a wasted pick because we had no business drafting a developmental player in the 1st in 2013. Mewhort only started because of an injury to Donald Thomas. Moncrief was started way too late, should of been started after the pitt game. Newsome has had two awesome games in the games he got a lot of snaps, he should have a lot more snaps. Harrison is the exception and he has actually underperformed in comparision to shipley.

 

Bottom line is, players drafted that show promise or that are drafted in the 1st three rounds on a rebuilding team should play. We can't afford to sit our promising players because we have average veterans and want to play it safe.

I haven't liked all of Pagano's decisions, but you are reaching real hard

[Happy2BeHere]

this thread

[CanuckColt]

 

 

But if we get destroyed in round one this year? Your ok?

I am expecting it...it would be different with a 100% healthy Reggie and Bradshaw and Mathis.

It is looking like one-and-done or one W and then done.

[tfunky14]

Then neither are the Colts.

Playoffs bud...go root for Jacksonville if you don't like pagano

[Superman]

But if we get destroyed in round one this year? Your ok?

No.Why is that even a question? Are you just being provocative, or has something I've posted given you the impression that I'm okay with the team getting destroyed in the first round?

Unlike some, I haven't decided in advance that this team can't win in the playoffs this season.

[CanuckColt]

As head coaches go, Pagano is "just a guy".....an expression Grigson is fond of saying.

[Happy2BeHere]

 

 

But if we get destroyed in round one this year? Your ok?

 

I am...yep you bet. Because our team fought hard and played their guts out all year long. We weren't perfect and never will be. I got to see MY TEAM play one more game than 20 other teams in the league. You should NEVER expect your team to succeed to your expectations because they are likely TOO HIGH! Sure we all want to win the big game...that's what every year is SOLELY about right? I don't think so myself...I'm enjoying the double digit win seasons and watching the young QB that is Luck develop and progress....as the rest of the team. The excitement of getting there is what keeps it going. If it was a foregone conclusion that the Colts would win the SB every year for the next 10 years that would be so boring...seriously. I enjoy the unknown and the "any given sunday" mentality. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I want to see the Super Bowl win and trophy come back to Indy...but I'm not going to cry if they lose 30-3...sure it'll be disappointing but hey...sometimes any given team can out perform another team. Take a look at the Miami Heat last year...they were built to be "a dynasty" and sure they were competitive but they got rocked by the Spurs. Yep, they won it the 2 years before...but NO team is guaranteed to win.

[Jules]

I have no idea lately why there is such a hate on Pagano campaign going on. Is he perfect? Nope. But, this fanbase can sound like a bunch of spoiled brats at times too if you want to be brutally honest.

 

I also don't get why so many seem to feel Irsay would dump him when we have found nothing but success and even have a playoff win (or more coming for all we know) under our belts. It took a lot longer to get one under Manning keep in mind. And we have to battle the Patriots in the AFC yet AGAIN......those guys never die.

 

If it is Jim Harbaugh envy going on, well I like him too but at the same time I don't want to recreate the entire Stanford team Luck had while he is here either.

[Happy2BeHere]

Who said I'm satisfied with anything? I'm just not tortured by the disappointments of the past.

 

Ahh come on man...secretly we ALL know you stay up late and night sobbing...I know you have article clippings taped to every wall in your house with articles about "the should have's"....you secretly have your own blog where you express your deepest feelings (disappointments and anger) about the past Colts games. For hours every night its   ..secretly you're holding it all inside and someday  **** BOOM              :cuss:    ****.

 

Next thing you know you're outside Lucas Oil Stadium --->   and this becomes your life.

 

[Indygal1218]

Ahh come on man...secretly we ALL know you stay up late and night sobbing...I know you have article clippings taped to every wall in your house with articles about "the should have's"....you secretly have your own blog where you express your deepest feelings (disappointments and anger) about the past Colts games. For hours every night its ..secretly you're holding it all inside and someday **** BOOM :cuss: ****.

Next thing you know you're outside Lucas Oil Stadium ---> and this becomes your life.

LACES. OUT.

[Superman]

Ahh come on man...secretly we ALL know you stay up late and night sobbing...I know you have article clippings taped to every wall in your house with articles about "the should have's"....you secretly have your own blog where you express your deepest feelings (disappointments and anger) about the past Colts games. For hours every night its ..secretly you're holding it all inside and someday **** BOOM :cuss: ****.

Next thing you know you're outside Lucas Oil Stadium ---> and this becomes your life.

It sure seems that way with some. The inferiority complex and resentment for some of the best players this team has ever had... There's some Ray Finkle potential with some...

[TKnight24]

 

 

But if we get destroyed in round one this year? Your ok?

 

To our defense, we'll probably be playing Baltimore in round 1. We beat them before and now their D is even more banged up than the first round so we'll probably beat them then go onto get embarrassed by DEN or NE the following week

[ColtsFanMikeC]

Pagano plays favorites and has a grudge against young players. TY as a 3rd rounder in the 1st year of a rebuild should of been an automatic starter. Balard started because of injury. Werner was a wasted pick because we had no business drafting a developmental player in the 1st in 2013. Mewhort only started because of an injury to Donald Thomas. Moncrief was started way too late, should of been started after the pitt game. Newsome has had two awesome games in the games he got a lot of snaps, he should have a lot more snaps. Harrison is the exception and he has actually underperformed in comparision to shipley.

 

Bottom line is, players drafted that show promise or that are drafted in the 1st three rounds on a rebuilding team should play. We can't afford to sit our promising players because we have average veterans and want to play it safe.

 

TY should not have started over Wayne as a rookie.  No rookie (or any other player) should ever be an 'automatic starter' before a season starts and the coaches have time to evaluate.  TY also had an injury in preseason and by mid-season he and Avery were pretty much like WR 2 and 2A and both used a similar amount.  TY was also our punt returner so he saw plenty of time on the field.  His route running and relationship with Luck has grown a lot since year 1 and he is developing into a very good starting WR for us because of that. 

 

Ballard started 12 games to Donnie Brown's 4 games.  Donnie Brown was active for 10 games that season, so at least half of Ballard's starts were not due to Donnie's injury.  Werner has been playing pretty solid this year, and when you have an all-time great in Mathis on the team who is aging, picking up a guy with potential to develop under him is not a wasted pick (was Aaron Rodgers a wasted pick because he sat for 4 years under Favre?).  Mewhort may very well have become starter anyway, you have very little ground to stand on in that argument -- the fact is Mewhort has started every game he's been healthy enough to play in this year, he is our starter (as a rookie).  If you really think Pagano biased against younger players and refuses to start them over veterans, and Harrison is worse than Shipley yet Harrison is the starter your entire argument is invalidated.

 

Moncrief is still raw.  He is seeing increased playing time and doing OK -- but as long as we have TY and future HOFer Reggie Wayne healthy, Moncrief is nothing more than a 3rd WR on this team.  Newsome still struggles against the run -- he is not better than Werner or Walden at containing the run, until he becomes better than either of them in that aspect of his game, he should be on the field only in situations where we are planning to blitz.

[BOTT]

TY should not have started over Wayne as a rookie.  No rookie (or any other player) should ever be an 'automatic starter' before a season starts and the coaches have time to evaluate.  TY also had an injury in preseason and by mid-season he and Avery were pretty much like WR 2 and 2A and both used a similar amount.  TY was also our punt returner so he saw plenty of time on the field.  His route running and relationship with Luck has grown a lot since year 1 and he is developing into a very good starting WR for us because of that. 

 

Ballard started 12 games to Donnie Brown's 4 games.  Donnie Brown was active for 10 games that season, so at least half of Ballard's starts were not due to Donnie's injury.  Werner has been playing pretty solid this year, and when you have an all-time great in Mathis on the team who is aging, picking up a guy with potential to develop under him is not a wasted pick (was Aaron Rodgers a wasted pick because he sat for 4 years under Favre?).  Mewhort may very well have become starter anyway, you have very little ground to stand on in that argument -- the fact is Mewhort has started every game he's been healthy enough to play in this year, he is our starter (as a rookie).  If you really think Pagano biased against younger players and refuses to start them over veterans, and Harrison is worse than Shipley yet Harrison is the starter your entire argument is invalidated.

 

Moncrief is still raw.  He is seeing increased playing time and doing OK -- but as long as we have TY and future HOFer Reggie Wayne healthy, Moncrief is nothing more than a 3rd WR on this team.  Newsome still struggles against the run -- he is not better than Werner or Walden at containing the run, until he becomes better than either of them in that aspect of his game, he should be on the field only in situations where we are planning to blitz.

Moncrief should be getting Reggie's snaps when the Colts use two TEs. Reggie + 2 TEs = a whole lotta slow

[crazycolt1]

I don't think you understand how much Pagano is hurting this team. He puts in the worst possible players because he sees potential that isn't there, he is loyal to them, or he doesn't want to be wrong about them and he is stubborn. I love that classic quote btw, how my opinion isn't shared by those who count. Doesn't mean I'm not right and they aren't wrong. You said yourself we are in the middle of a total rebuild, so why wouldn't we start our rookies (especially high round ones and especially when they show promise) when we need to put together a team for our future? Makes no sense. Also, most coaches in the NFL could have Pagano's record in those 46 games. Luck does the work and Pagano is the beneficiary. If he had Tannehill or someone mediocre, he'd have a losing record. No coach has had Andrew Luck within 3 years, but guys like Marvin Lewis, John Fox, Bill Belicheck, Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, Mike McCarthy all have solid records as well. Notice the theme? They all have good qbs. That's the ticket these days.  These coaches (except Lewis) can get their team far in the playoffs.

Hurting the team??  I guess you didn't notice their record. I guess you didn't notice the Colts lead the league in offense. We are in the 3rd year of a total rebuild that on average takes five years. When Pagano took this team over there were 8 players left from the 2-14 season and two of those were kickers. It is unreal to expect a rookie coach to take a team in the middle of a total rebuild deep into the playoffs. If anything the Colts have over achieved with Pagano as head coach. For your information it takes more than a good QB to win games. It is a team sport in case that slipped your mind. Name me one rookie head coach in the history of the NFL that had a better start than Pagano? I am waiting for your answer.