TKnight24 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 @HolderStephen: Writing a story about progress of #Colts draft class. Told you about Moncrief. But also learned that Newsome taking some DE snaps in nickelBy golly I think Manusky is finally getting it!!!!!!!!! He's trying people at multiple positions, hopefully planning things for Robert Mathis' suspension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I haven't heard anything about Andrew jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcolt Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Wait for pads and listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 @HolderStephen: Writing a story about progress of #Colts draft class. Told you about Moncrief. But also learned that Newsome taking some DE snaps in nickelBy golly I think Manusky is finally getting it!!!!!!!!! He's trying people at multiple positions, hopefully planning things for Robert Mathis' suspension I think that's a misleading comment by Holder..... I seriously doubt a 250 pound Newsome is playing DE. He's playing OLB who is rushing the QB in nickel situations. He can call it DE all he wants, but it's much more a rush linebacker than anything else. A 250 pound player would barely make sense in a 4-3, it would make zero sense in a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peytonator Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 No crap, the edge rusher is rushing the edge! Why, that's almost like Robert Mathis playing DE on passing downs. Well my mind is blown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlu8792 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I think that's a misleading comment by Holder..... I seriously doubt a 250 pound Newsome is playing DE. He's playing OLB who is rushing the QB in nickel situations. He can call it DE all he wants, but it's much more a rush linebacker than anything else. A 250 pound player would barely make sense in a 4-3, it would make zero sense in a 3-4. How big do you think Mathis is? Mathis plays/played DE in 4 man fronts. Mathis MIGHT be 240'ish at the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennymoore24 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Why does this surprise anyone???? In passing situations, the rush linebacker often lines up at DE. Where's the news??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 How big do you think Mathis is? Mathis plays/played DE in 4 man fronts. Mathis MIGHT be 240'ish at the most. I know, there are exceptions to every rule... And Mathis is exceptional! But, generally speaking playing at sub-250 in a 4-3 is not done very often. Most 4-3's prefer their DE's to be 260 or greater.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I know, there are exceptions to every rule... And Mathis is exceptional! But, generally speaking playing at sub-250 in a 4-3 is not done very often.Most 4-3's prefer their DE's to be 260 or greater....Mathis and freeny were/are both under that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityColt Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Mathis and freeny were/are both under that..... I think that was his point? Matthis/Freeney were not the norm for the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Mathis and freeny were/are both under that..... I think that was his point? Matthis/Freeney were not the norm for the position. Which made us great with the lead when we could unleash them on the QB.....but also made us susceptible to the run and created problems for us when we were coming from behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 Why does this surprise anyone???? In passing situations, the rush linebacker often lines up at DE. Where's the news???I think that's a misleading comment by Holder.....I seriously doubt a 250 pound Newsome is playing DE. He's playing OLB who is rushing the QB in nickel situations.He can call it DE all he wants, but it's much more a rush linebacker than anything else.A 250 pound player would barely make sense in a 4-3, it would make zero sense in a 3-4.In a 3-4, the Nickel package is sometimes a 2-4-52 Defensive Linemen4 Linebackers5 Defensive BacksStephen Holder could've seen Jonathan in on plays where he was part of the 2 defensive linemen group & Erik Walden & Bejoern Werner were the OLBHe didn't go into detail much but he did say he was gonna write an article on it so I'll see if I can find that & get more clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 I know, there are exceptions to every rule... And Mathis is exceptional! But, generally speaking playing at sub-250 in a 4-3 is not done very often.Most 4-3's prefer their DE's to be 260 or greater....Found the article. It's indystar & I remember you saying they banned you so here's some quotesQuote from Mathis on Jonathan"He's a natural pass rusher," Robert Mathis said. "You can't say that about a lot of guys, but he's one of them."Where it says Jonathan is playing DE"Newsome said he's playing mostly strong-side linebacker but also is adding some defensive end to his repertoire in passing situations. His versatility is giving the Colts something to think about, especially with Mathis suspended for the season's first four games."Article link: http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/06/18/colts-insider-draft-picks-adapt-quickly/10808015/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonMcG Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 In a 3-4, the Nickel package is sometimes a 2-4-52 Defensive Linemen4 Linebackers5 Defensive BacksStephen Holder could've seen Jonathan in on plays where he was part of the 2 defensive linemen group & Erik Walden & Bejoern Werner were the OLBHe didn't go into detail much but he did say he was gonna write an article on it so I'll see if I can find that & get more clarity No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonMcG Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 So he is doing what every rush linebacker does on passing downs. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlu8792 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 In a 3-4, the Nickel package is sometimes a 2-4-52 Defensive Linemen4 Linebackers5 Defensive BacksStephen Holder could've seen Jonathan in on plays where he was part of the 2 defensive linemen group & Erik Walden & Bejoern Werner were the OLBHe didn't go into detail much but he did say he was gonna write an article on it so I'll see if I can find that & get more clarity2 of those "LB's" are down lineman to which they are no longer LB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 2 of those "LB's" are down lineman to which they are no longer LB's.True, but also depends who's system2-4-5 the 49ers run, Aldon & Ahmad are still standing up Some 3-4 systems the 2 OLB's do put their hands in the dirt. It's a lot of ways to do it. That's what makes the 3-4 so good & exciting to watch when ran properly. So many looks you can give Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 So he is doing what every rush linebacker does on passing downs. Wow.revolutionary stuff man. lolColts need to try to keep this from getting out lest other teams try to copycat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lollygagger8 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 So now all the sudden Adongo will be a DE? They are just OLB playing DE rushing the QB. Last night I watched QVC, and LOL'd when they sold PCP. Had to keep the abbreviations going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 @HolderStephen: Writing a story about progress of #Colts draft class. Told you about Moncrief. But also learned that Newsome taking some DE snaps in nickelBy golly I think Manusky is finally getting it!!!!!!!!! He's trying people at multiple positions, hopefully planning things for Robert Mathis' suspensionwhat is manusky "finally getting"? he's playing an edge rusher on the edge. that's not even football 101....that's football pre-k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentMc11 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Wait for pads and listenBeat me to the punch....or hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentMc11 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 what is manusky "finally getting"? he's playing an edge rusher on the edge. that's not even football 101....that's football pre-k.Yeah...what is Newsome going to play....Nose Tackle? All they got him for was to rush the edge...like Mathis in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlu8792 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Yeah...what is Newsome going to play....Nose Tackle? All they got him for was to rush the edge...like Mathis in 2003.Whoa... whoa... WHOOAAAAAAAAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentMc11 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Whoa... whoa... WHOOAAAAAAAAAWhaaa? Whaaa? Whaa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Kirk Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Beat me to the punch....or hit Not to mention Action Jackson is an inside thumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Kirk Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Yeah...what is Newsome going to play....Nose Tackle? All they got him for was to rush the edge...like Mathis in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 @HolderStephen: Writing a story about progress of #Colts draft class. Told you about Moncrief. But also learned that Newsome taking some DE snaps in nickelBy golly I think Manusky is finally getting it!!!!!!!!! He's trying people at multiple positions, hopefully planning things for Robert Mathis' suspension Manusky/Pagano "finally getting it"? chuckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentMc11 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Manusky/Pagano "finally getting it"? chuckleThese guys have been coaching longer than most on here have been alive....well...maybe not most. I would love a demographic....Nadine? Sup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Manusky/Pagano "finally getting it"? chuckleI'm sure you are far more qualified.... chuckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentMc11 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I'm sure you are far more qualified.... chuckleI played a football coach on TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Kirk Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I played a football coach on TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Kirk Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I played a football coach on TV No but stayed at the Holliday Inn Express lastnight ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Nothing out of the ordinary, Glad to hear he is doing well though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I'm sure you are far more qualified.... chuckle As other posters made clear___ __, it is TK who "doesn`t get it"! Good grief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityColt Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Welcome to the meta when the topic itself has become the topic... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 These guys have been coaching longer than most on here have been alive....well...maybe not most. I would love a demographic....Nadine? Sup? Yes, that is what makes his "finally getting it" a JOKE. Duh, for the thickest... well, not here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentMc11 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Yes, that is what makes his "finally getting it" a JOKE. Duh, for the thickest... well, not here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProblChld32 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 @HolderStephen: Writing a story about progress of #Colts draft class. Told you about Moncrief. But also learned that Newsome taking some DE snaps in nickelBy golly I think Manusky is finally getting it!!!!!!!!! He's trying people at multiple positions, hopefully planning things for Robert Mathis' suspension If its a Nickel package im pretty sure he's still considered a OLB just has his hands in the dirt, correct me if im wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentMc11 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) If its a Nickel package im pretty sure he's still considered a OLB just has his hands in the dirt, correct me if im wrong.Either way they can disguise it as 4-3....or stay with the 3-4 hybrid.. It can actually change with a simple LB call at the line of scrimmage. I am hoping we disguise a lot in Mathis' absence....gotta bring the heat. Edit: Edited June 19, 2014 by BrentMc11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 If it's in the nickel package it would make since. .. considering you add a cb and take out. The dt and nt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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