Mike Mayock's Top-100 (The Man has Lost it!)

[NewColtsFan]

Honestly, I'm a big fan of his but the only thing that makes sense to me is that the NFLN has given him too much to do and he's spread himself way too thin.     HIs top-100 list is filled with all sorts of head scratchers from 1st pick almost to the last....     Very disappointing.

 

I'm cutting and pasting.......

 

 

1. Khalil Mack, LB, Buffalo
2. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
3. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
4. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
5. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
6. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
7. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
8. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
9. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
10. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

 

Mack over Clowney for the top spot?   I love Mack,  but he's not better than Clowney.

 

11. C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama
12. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
13. Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
14. Anthony Barr, LB, UCLA
15. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida
16. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama
17. Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
18. Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State
19. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
20. Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State

 

Fuller the first corner?   He's been no better than 3rd on Mayock's board.   And Carr as the 2nd QB and ranked 20th?   Seriously?

 

21. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
22. Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville
23. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
24. Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
25. Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
26. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
27. Bishop Sankey, RB, Washington
28. Marqise Lee, WR, USC
29. Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
30. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska

 

Kouandijo at 24?   Bad knee.   Sankey at 27?   A 1st round RB?   And SJB at 30?  First evaluator to put him in the first round.   I'm embarrassed.

 

31. Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
32. Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
33. Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
34. Marcus Martin, C, USC
35. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
36. Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame
37. Dee Ford, DE, Auburn
38. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois
39. Joel Bitonio, OT, Nevada
40. Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU

 

Hyde at 31?   A 2nd first-round RB?   Martin at 34?  You have to be a great center to be a top-40 and Martin -- while the best center -- is not great. 

 

41. Demarcus Lawrence, LB, Boise State
42. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
43. Deone Bucannon, S, Washington State
44. Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA
45. Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
46. Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State
47. Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia
48. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
49. Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU
50. Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana

 

No serious complaints in this group of 10.   I have some of these guys as 1st round guys, but wouldn't be surprised if they went in the 2nd, so I won't complain.

 

51. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
52. Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State
53. Marcus Smith, LB, Louisville
54. Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois
55. Tre Mason, RB, Auburn
56. Kyle Van Noy, LB, BYU
57. Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU
58. Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
59. Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State
60. Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee

 

Smith at 53?  That's the highest I've seen for him.   Ward at 54, that's among the lowest I've seen for him.    I think Landry at 57 is too high, but I've seen plenty of 2nd round projections for him.

 

61. Trent Murphy, LB, Stanford
62. Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State
63. Trai Turner, G, LSU
64. Dominique Easley, DT, Florida
65. Lamarcus Joyner, S, Florida State
66. Bashaud Breeland, CB, Clemson
67. AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
68. Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood
69. Ed Stinson, DE, Alabama

70. Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

 

Turner at 63?   Matthews at 70?    I've seen Matthews in the first round in some mocks, and 70 puts him in Mayock's 3rd round.

 

71. Gabe Jackson, G, Mississippi State
72. Telvin Smith, LB, Florida State
73. Will Clarke, DE, West Virginia
74. Andre Williams, RB, Boston College
75. C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa
76. Brent Urban, DE, Virginia
77. Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State
78. Devonta Freeman, RB, Florida State
79. Ego Ferguson, DT, LSU

80. Jeremiah Attaochu, LB, Georgia Tech

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Clarke at 73?  My head hurts.   Urban at 76?   It hurts more.

Attaochu at 80?   This approaches migraine territory!

 

81. Terrence Brooks, S, Florida State
82. Chris Borland, LB, Wisconsin
83. Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina
84. Keith McGill, CB, Utah
85. Marqueston Huff, S, Wyoming
86. Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida
87. Martavis Bryant, WR, Clemson
88. Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina

89. Justin Ellis, DT, Louisiana Tech

90. Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh

 

Borland at 82?  Huff at 85?  Those are bad enough but Ellis at 89 is just terrible.

 

91. Terrance West, RB, Towson
92. Paul Richardson, WR, Colorado
93. Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma
94. Dontae Johnson, CB, N.C. State
95. Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss
96. Preston Brown, LB, Louisville
97. DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State
98. Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia
99. Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia
100. Brandon Thomas, G, Clemson

 

Johnson at 94 is the one that jumps out here.  Most project 4th/5th round.

 

Final note:    I sure hope the Colts' board doesn't look like Mayock's board.   I thought this was dreadful.    Very disappointing.   What's most bothersome to me is he's made lots of big changes over the last 2-4 weeks and doesn't explain them.   Lots of people dropped out and lots of new faces jumped up.    I'd love to know what changed for him in the last month or so?

[Gavin]

Plenty to disagree with though Im one of the few that think the Texans should either draft Mack or trade down

[BleedBlu8792]

Ehh I still would take Mack over Clowney. Mack gave 100 all season last year, whereas to me, Clowney took it off. I still believe who ever gets him might get 4 average or below years out of him and he'll be done. I don't see the heart or mental capability from him that will allow him the longevity to be a 10+ year player.

Carr is a joke and will be lucky to be around as long as his brother was. Bridgewater shouldn't even be considered in the top 2 rounds along with Manziel.

As an Ohio State guy, Roby at 25 is a joke. Very overrated and was exposed by decent, not great, passing teams.

[Yoshinator]

I'm glad a couple of you guys like Mack over Clowney. Mack is the best player in this draft and it's not close. I'm praying that the Texans don't take him first. Clowney is athletic and fast and that's it. He's not a very good football player, he has no heart, and he takes plays off. I remember seeing Merill Hoge talk about Clowney to Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith on ESPN. He was the only one to explain how bad Clowney really is to everyone.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQbpupdZJA

 

Above is a video of Hoge talking about Clowney that sums him up better than I can. All of it is true.

[OffensivelyPC]

Count me in with the Mack over Clowney camp.  It's not that Mack is a better physical specimen, i'ts that he doesn't take plays off like Clowney.  Give Clowney Mack's heart and then I'd take Clowney.  But I'm not using a first pick on a guy with questions at work ethic.  I really just don't understand the argument that he took plays off to preserve his draft status.  That should scare anyone that picks him.  If the coaches want to preserve him for the playoffs and sit him on plays, that's one thing.  But a football player should never make the unilateral decision to take plays off.  The team comes first.  Always.

[pacolts56]

I'm glad a couple of you guys like Mack over Clowney. Mack is the best player in this draft and it's not close. I'm praying that the Texans don't take him first. Clowney is athletic and fast and that's it. He's not a very good football player, he has no heart, and he takes plays off. I remember seeing Merill Hoge talk about Clowney to Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith on ESPN. He was the only one to explain how bad Clowney really is to everyone.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQbpupdZJA

 

Above is a video of Hoge talking about Clowney that sums him up better than I can. All of it is true.

Well....there you have it....Khalil Mack is the greatest football prospect of all time.

 

 

I'm so glad the failed, concussed RB and the basketball expert have enlightened us.

 

I understand the Clowney issues but c'mon people....after so many previous drafts we do realize this is largely a hyped-up crap shoot, right?

[ztboiler]

Honestly, I'm a big fan of his but the only thing that makes sense to me is that the NFLN has given him too much to do and he's spread himself way too thin.     HIs top-100 list is filled with all sorts of head scratchers from 1st pick almost to the last....     Very disappointing.

 

 

Final note:    I sure hope the Colts' board doesn't look like Mayock's board.   I thought this was dreadful.    Very disappointing.   What's most bothersome to me is he's made lots of big changes over the last 2-4 weeks and doesn't explain them.   Lots of people dropped out and lots of new faces jumped up.    I'd love to know what changed for him in the last month or so?

It feels like your biggest objection is that he is valuing prospects differently than the masses are projecting them.

[Archer]

Y'know, some of those aren't conventional thoughts, but I could see some teams having their boards like this.  He takes a couple of controvercial stands - I like it! 

[Moncrief]

It's one mans projections based on what he see's.  He has ties to NFL team's front offices.  

[throwing BBZ]

Honestly, I'm a big fan of his but the only thing that makes sense to me is that the NFLN has given him too much to do and he's spread himself way too thin.     HIs top-100 list is filled with all sorts of head scratchers from 1st pick almost to the last....     Very disappointing.

 

I'm cutting and pasting.......

 

 

1. Khalil Mack, LB, Buffalo

2. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

3. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

4. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

5. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

6. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

7. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

8. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

9. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame

10. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

 

Mack over Clowney for the top spot?   I love Mack,  but he's not better than Clowney.

 

11. C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

12. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh

13. Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

14. Anthony Barr, LB, UCLA

15. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida

16. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

17. Odell Beckham, WR, LSU

18. Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State

19. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State

20. Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State

 

Fuller the first corner?   He's been no better than 3rd on Mayock's board.   And Carr as the 2nd QB and ranked 20th?   Seriously?

 

21. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

22. Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville

23. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

24. Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

25. Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

26. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State

27. Bishop Sankey, RB, Washington

28. Marqise Lee, WR, USC

29. Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

30. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska

 

Kouandijo at 24?   Bad knee.   Sankey at 27?   A 1st round RB?   And SJB at 30?  First evaluator to put him in the first round.   I'm embarrassed.

 

31. Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State

32. Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech

33. Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

34. Marcus Martin, C, USC

35. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State

36. Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame

37. Dee Ford, DE, Auburn

38. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois

39. Joel Bitonio, OT, Nevada

40. Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU

 

Hyde at 31?   A 2nd first-round RB?   Martin at 34?  You have to be a great center to be a top-40 and Martin -- while the best center -- is not great. 

 

41. Demarcus Lawrence, LB, Boise State

42. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

43. Deone Bucannon, S, Washington State

44. Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA

45. Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri

46. Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State

47. Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia

48. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota

49. Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU

50. Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana

 

No serious complaints in this group of 10.   I have some of these guys as 1st round guys, but wouldn't be surprised if they went in the 2nd, so I won't complain.

 

51. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington

52. Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State

53. Marcus Smith, LB, Louisville

54. Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois

55. Tre Mason, RB, Auburn

56. Kyle Van Noy, LB, BYU

57. Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU

58. Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame

59. Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State

60. Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee

 

Smith at 53?  That's the highest I've seen for him.   Ward at 54, that's among the lowest I've seen for him.    I think Landry at 57 is too high, but I've seen plenty of 2nd round projections for him.

 

61. Trent Murphy, LB, Stanford

62. Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State

63. Trai Turner, G, LSU

64. Dominique Easley, DT, Florida

65. Lamarcus Joyner, S, Florida State

66. Bashaud Breeland, CB, Clemson

67. AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama

68. Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood

69. Ed Stinson, DE, Alabama

70. Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

 

Turner at 63?   Matthews at 70?    I've seen Matthews in the first round in some mocks, and 70 puts him in Mayock's 3rd round.

 

71. Gabe Jackson, G, Mississippi State

72. Telvin Smith, LB, Florida State

73. Will Clarke, DE, West Virginia

74. Andre Williams, RB, Boston College

75. C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa

76. Brent Urban, DE, Virginia

77. Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State

78. Devonta Freeman, RB, Florida State

79. Ego Ferguson, DT, LSU

80. Jeremiah Attaochu, LB, Georgia Tech

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Clarke at 73?  My head hurts.   Urban at 76?   It hurts more.

Attaochu at 80?   This approaches migraine territory!

 

81. Terrence Brooks, S, Florida State

82. Chris Borland, LB, Wisconsin

83. Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina

84. Keith McGill, CB, Utah

85. Marqueston Huff, S, Wyoming

86. Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida

87. Martavis Bryant, WR, Clemson

88. Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina

89. Justin Ellis, DT, Louisiana Tech

90. Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh

 

Borland at 82?  Huff at 85?  Those are bad enough but Ellis at 89 is just terrible.

 

91. Terrance West, RB, Towson

92. Paul Richardson, WR, Colorado

93. Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma

94. Dontae Johnson, CB, N.C. State

95. Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss

96. Preston Brown, LB, Louisville

97. DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State

98. Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia

99. Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia

100. Brandon Thomas, G, Clemson

 

Johnson at 94 is the one that jumps out here.  Most project 4th/5th round.

 

Final note:    I sure hope the Colts' board doesn't look like Mayock's board.   I thought this was dreadful.    Very disappointing.   What's most bothersome to me is he's made lots of big changes over the last 2-4 weeks and doesn't explain them.   Lots of people dropped out and lots of new faces jumped up.    I'd love to know what changed for him in the last month or so?

 

 NCF you are in la la land bud. Wake up!

 You don`t even know what a top 100 list is.

 Just because he has a RB as his 27th best available doesn`t mean he thinks he is going in the first ROUND You ____!

 

 Any knowledgeable Fan knows Mack is also considered great going forward and is clearly better as a LB`er.  Duh!

[jvan1973]

Honestly, I'm a big fan of his but the only thing that makes sense to me is that the NFLN has given him too much to do and he's spread himself way too thin. HIs top-100 list is filled with all sorts of head scratchers from 1st pick almost to the last.... Very disappointing.

I'm cutting and pasting.......

1. Khalil Mack, LB, Buffalo

2. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

3. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

4. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

5. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

6. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

7. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

8. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

9. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame

10. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

Mack over Clowney for the top spot? I love Mack, but he's not better than Clowney.

11. C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

12. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh

13. Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

14. Anthony Barr, LB, UCLA

15. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida

16. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

17. Odell Beckham, WR, LSU

18. Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State

19. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State

20. Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State

Fuller the first corner? He's been no better than 3rd on Mayock's board. And Carr as the 2nd QB and ranked 20th? Seriously?

21. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

22. Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville

23. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

24. Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

25. Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

26. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State

27. Bishop Sankey, RB, Washington

28. Marqise Lee, WR, USC

29. Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

30. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska

Kouandijo at 24? Bad knee. Sankey at 27? A 1st round RB? And SJB at 30? First evaluator to put him in the first round. I'm embarrassed.

31. Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State

32. Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech

33. Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

34. Marcus Martin, C, USC

35. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State

36. Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame

37. Dee Ford, DE, Auburn

38. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois

39. Joel Bitonio, OT, Nevada

40. Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU

Hyde at 31? A 2nd first-round RB? Martin at 34? You have to be a great center to be a top-40 and Martin -- while the best center -- is not great.

41. Demarcus Lawrence, LB, Boise State

42. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

43. Deone Bucannon, S, Washington State

44. Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA

45. Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri

46. Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State

47. Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia

48. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota

49. Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU

50. Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana

No serious complaints in this group of 10. I have some of these guys as 1st round guys, but wouldn't be surprised if they went in the 2nd, so I won't complain.

51. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington

52. Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State

53. Marcus Smith, LB, Louisville

54. Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois

55. Tre Mason, RB, Auburn

56. Kyle Van Noy, LB, BYU

57. Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU

58. Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame

59. Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State

60. Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee

Smith at 53? That's the highest I've seen for him. Ward at 54, that's among the lowest I've seen for him. I think Landry at 57 is too high, but I've seen plenty of 2nd round projections for him.

61. Trent Murphy, LB, Stanford

62. Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State

63. Trai Turner, G, LSU

64. Dominique Easley, DT, Florida

65. Lamarcus Joyner, S, Florida State

66. Bashaud Breeland, CB, Clemson

67. AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama

68. Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood

69. Ed Stinson, DE, Alabama

70. Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

Turner at 63? Matthews at 70? I've seen Matthews in the first round in some mocks, and 70 puts him in Mayock's 3rd round.

71. Gabe Jackson, G, Mississippi State

72. Telvin Smith, LB, Florida State

73. Will Clarke, DE, West Virginia

74. Andre Williams, RB, Boston College

75. C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa

76. Brent Urban, DE, Virginia

77. Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State

78. Devonta Freeman, RB, Florida State

79. Ego Ferguson, DT, LSU

80. Jeremiah Attaochu, LB, Georgia Tech

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Clarke at 73? My head hurts. Urban at 76? It hurts more.

Attaochu at 80? This approaches migraine territory!

81. Terrence Brooks, S, Florida State

82. Chris Borland, LB, Wisconsin

83. Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina

84. Keith McGill, CB, Utah

85. Marqueston Huff, S, Wyoming

86. Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida

87. Martavis Bryant, WR, Clemson

88. Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina

89. Justin Ellis, DT, Louisiana Tech

90. Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh

Borland at 82? Huff at 85? Those are bad enough but Ellis at 89 is just terrible.

91. Terrance West, RB, Towson

92. Paul Richardson, WR, Colorado

93. Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma

94. Dontae Johnson, CB, N.C. State

95. Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss

96. Preston Brown, LB, Louisville

97. DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State

98. Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia

99. Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia

100. Brandon Thomas, G, Clemson

Johnson at 94 is the one that jumps out here. Most project 4th/5th round.

Final note: I sure hope the Colts' board doesn't look like Mayock's board. I thought this was dreadful. Very disappointing. What's most bothersome to me is he's made lots of big changes over the last 2-4 weeks and doesn't explain them. Lots of people dropped out and lots of new faces jumped up. I'd love to know what changed for him in the last month or so?

these aren't draft projections, this is his top 100 Just because he had someone ranked in the top 32 doesn't mean he thinks he will go in the first round.

Also, all lists are educated guesses, his is no different or more incorrect for that matter

[Jason_]

 

 

Mack over Clowney for the top spot?   I love Mack,  but he's not better than Clowney.

 

Maybe he doesn't think that Mack is necessarily a better football player, but a better and safer prospect.

 

Fuller the first corner?   He's been no better than 3rd on Mayock's board.   And Carr as the 2nd QB and ranked 20th?   Seriously?

 

You said yourself in your player rankings thread and in many other posts that you love this draft because everyone sees things differently and there is no consensus on player rankings.  This is how Mayock sees it.  You disagree.  That's fine.  

 

Kouandijo at 24?   Bad knee.   Sankey at 27?   A 1st round RB?   And SJB at 30?  First evaluator to put him in the first round.   I'm embarrassed.

 

Hyde at 31?   A 2nd first-round RB?   Martin at 34?  You have to be a great center to be a top-40 and Martin -- while the best center -- is not great. 

 

Just because he has 2 RB's listed in his top 32 doesn't mean he thinks both will go in the first round.  Didn't you have to explain that a number of times in your player rankings threads?  That just because you had a player ranked at X position doesn't mean you think that's the spot he'll be drafted?  

 

Turner at 63?   Matthews at 70?    I've seen Matthews in the first round in some mocks, and 70 puts him in Mayock's 3rd round.

 

Clarke at 73?  My head hurts.   Urban at 76?   It hurts more.

Attaochu at 80?   This approaches migraine territory!

 

Still not getting why you of all people find it so hard to believe that Mayock may not see things the same way you do.

 

 

My comments in blue.  Just some food for thought. ;)

[BOTT]

I don't see any glaring mistakes. Sure there are things to quibble with, but nothing outrageous. And personally, I still think he has Marcus Smith too low.

[NewColtsFan]

It feels like your biggest objection is that he is valuing prospects differently than the masses are projecting them.

 

On one level, yes....   but on another level I'm objecting to the fact that he's made dramatic changes in his own rankings over the last month without explaining.     What changed in the last 2-4 weeks that so many of his rankings have changed?

[NewColtsFan]

 NCF you are in la la land bud. Wake up!

 You don`t even know what a top 100 list is.

 Just because he has a RB as his 27th best available doesn`t mean he thinks he is going in the first ROUND You ____!

 

 Any knowledgeable Fan knows Mack is also considered great going forward and is clearly better as a LB`er.  Duh!

 

I realize a top-100 list is NOT a mock.    I'm completely aware of this.

 

But if he's got two RB's in the top 32 then he's giving them 1st round grades and is saying they've got first round value.   He may not think they'll go in the first round, but he thinks they're worth it.   And I'm disagreeing with him.

 

As for Mack, I'm a huge fan of his.   I've already called him one of the safer picks in this draft.    I just don't think he's better than Clowney.

[NewColtsFan]

these aren't draft projections, this is his top 100 Just because he had someone ranked in the top 32 doesn't mean he thinks he will go in the first round.

Also, all lists are educated guesses, his is no different or more incorrect for that matter

 

As I just shared with BBS....   I'm well aware this is not a mock draft.    I'm well aware this is a top-100.    I'm well aware the two are completely different.

 

I just don't think there's a RB worthy of a first round pick.   And when Mayock says one is 27 and the other is 31, he's saying they're worthy of a first round pick.     I'd respectfully disagree.

[NewColtsFan]

My comments in blue.  Just some food for thought. ;)

 

As I posted to BBS and JVan....

 

I know the difference between a top-100 list and a mock draft.    I know Mayock is not projecting these guys to go in the first round.

 

But in giving them a ranking of 27 and 31 he's saying they're worthy of a first round pick.    I'm beyond surprised that he thinks this.   I think the RB's in this class are very good.   But I think taking one of them in the first round is a reach and the value for them starts in the 2nd round.

[Dustin]

On one level, yes....   but on another level I'm objecting to the fact that he's made dramatic changes in his own rankings over the last month without explaining.     What changed in the last 2-4 weeks that so many of his rankings have changed?

 

Mayock isn't a talent-evaluator. He's an info-gatherer. If he changes his ranking dramatically it's because of what he's hearing from teams. You really think he just discovered DJ Hayden two-weeks before the last draft? He heard from his Raider's sources that they were willing to take Hayden at #2 and adjusted his ranking accordingly. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

I saw many in USA Today top 150 that coincide with Mayock.  I'm sure there are others out there too.  There are different 'style' in the NFL.  A mock from one will not coincide with a mock from the other.

[NewColtsFan]

Mayock isn't a talent-evaluator. He's an info-gatherer. If he changes his ranking dramatically it's because of what he's hearing from teams. You really think he just discovered DJ Hayden two-weeks before the last draft? He heard from his Raider's sources that they were willing to take Hayden at #2 and adjusted his ranking accordingly. 

 

If you think Mayock doesn't consider himself a talent evaluator, I think you'd be very, very surprised.

 

He may not want to scout for a living,  but I'm sure he thinks he could is he had to.....

[Dustin]

If you think Mayock doesn't consider himself a talent evaluator, I think you'd be very, very surprised.

 

He may not want to scout for a living,  but I'm sure he thinks he could is he had to.....

 

His rankings are rarely based off his own evaluation. Is that better?

[NewColtsFan]

His rankings are rarely based off his own evaluation. Is that better?

 

No.

 

Now, I'll say this.....   his rankings for his top-100 may not be based on his own evaluations.

 

Since the combine Yankey has been Mayock's top guard.  #1.

 

Now,  he's not in the top-100 and there are about 4-5 other guards who are.

 

So, it appears his top-100 is not based on his own evaluations.

 

But when he's been doing his top-5 at every position, which is what he does roughly every two weeks from Jan thru April,  those are his evaluations, and not someone else.

 

Better?

[ztboiler]

On one level, yes....   but on another level I'm objecting to the fact that he's made dramatic changes in his own rankings over the last month without explaining.     What changed in the last 2-4 weeks that so many of his rankings have changed?

This doesn't seem that different to me than what he has done in the past, he always converges toward what he thinks will happen on draft day.

[NewColtsFan]

This doesn't seem that different to me than what he has done in the past, he always converges toward what he thinks will happen on draft day.

 

Whatever changes he's done in the past,  they seem much more jarring to me this year.

 

Perhaps Dustin is right....   I've put too much stock in his evaluations and not enough on the face that he's an information guy.

 

But he's now also put his top 5 at each position with lots of changes.    So, maybe he's been in contact with all his sources and they've told him where he's right and where he's wrong and he's made his changes accordingly.

 

Makes me see his evaluations in a whole new light........

[Superman]

Mack over Clowney doesn't surprise me. Mayock has been gushing over Mack nonstop since before the Combine.

[ztboiler]

Whatever changes he's done in the past,  they seem much more jarring to me this year.

 

Perhaps Dustin is right....   I've put too much stock in his evaluations and not enough on the face that he's an information guy.

 

But he's now also put his top 5 at each position with lots of changes.    So, maybe he's been in contact with all his sources and they've told him where he's right and where he's wrong and he's made his changes accordingly.

 

Makes me see his evaluations in a whole new light........

27 of his top 32 were first round picks in 2013.  I doubt he is able to do that on the strength of his evaluation skills alone.  I don't see why that should necessarily diminish him as a talent evaluator, however.  Instead of either/or, it may be both.  

 

While I'm a Mayock fan (as stated in a previous thread, I think he is the best in the business), I appreciate the way he has built his brand more than anything.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Ehh I still would take Mack over Clowney. Mack gave 100 all season last year, whereas to me, Clowney took it off. I still believe who ever gets him might get 4 average or below years out of him and he'll be done. I don't see the heart or mental capability from him that will allow him the longevity to be a 10+ year player.

Carr is a joke and will be lucky to be around as long as his brother was. Bridgewater shouldn't even be considered in the top 2 rounds along with Manziel.

As an Ohio State guy, Roby at 25 is a joke. Very overrated and was exposed by decent, not great, passing teams.

I am from Fresno Carr is much better than you think but not the 20th best guy! Manziel & Bridgewater I hear you on them!

[Nobody]

Plenty to disagree with though Im one of the few that think the Texans should either draft Mack or trade down

Yeah, I hardly think it's crazy to rank Mack above Clowney.

[HtownColt]

I don't see anything wrong with it, surely didn't reach migrane territory. Plus there are more than 32 prospects with 1st round grades in this draft

[NewColtsFan]

I don't see anything wrong with it, surely didn't reach migrane territory. Plus there are more than 32 prospects with 1st round grades in this draft

 

I'm sorry.     Where did that come from?

 

For what it's worth,  most years there are not 32 guys with 1st round grades.    Most years the bottom quarter of the draft has players with very high 2nd round grades.

 

If you're going to reference that this is supposed to be one of the deepest drafts ever -- fine.

 

Except the depth isn't in the first round.    It's in rounds 2-5, maybe even 6.

 

But not the first.

[Dustin]

I'm glad a couple of you guys like Mack over Clowney. Mack is the best player in this draft and it's not close. I'm praying that the Texans don't take him first. Clowney is athletic and fast and that's it. He's not a very good football player, he has no heart, and he takes plays off. I remember seeing Merill Hoge talk about Clowney to Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith on ESPN. He was the only one to explain how bad Clowney really is to everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQbpupdZJA

Above is a video of Hoge talking about Clowney that sums him up better than I can. All of it is true.

Hoge is an *.

[Dustin]

Count me in with the Mack over Clowney camp. It's not that Mack is a better physical specimen, i'ts that he doesn't take plays off like Clowney. Give Clowney Mack's heart and then I'd take Clowney. But I'm not using a first pick on a guy with questions at work ethic. I really just don't understand the argument that he took plays off to preserve his draft status. That should scare anyone that picks him. If the coaches want to preserve him for the playoffs and sit him on plays, that's one thing. But a football player should never make the unilateral decision to take plays off. The team comes first. Always.

People keep saying this. Can I have video evidence of him taking play off? If his tape from 2013 is him not trying then I'm scared to see what he does when he is trying.

[Dustin]

It's hilarious how there are questions about Clowney taking plays off and not any for Aaron Donald. #narrative

[MTC]

To be honest, I like some of the rankings he made. Obviously Clowney is better than Mack but I like how Mayock is going against the mocks. 

[HtownColt]

I'm sorry. Where did that come from?

For what it's worth, most years there are not 32 guys with 1st round grades. Most years the bottom quarter of the draft has players with very high 2nd round grades.

If you're going to reference that this is supposed to be one of the deepest drafts ever -- fine.

Except the depth isn't in the first round. It's in rounds 2-5, maybe even 6.

But not the first.

Agree to disagree, there are more than 32 1st round graded prospects in this draft to me

[Gavin]

Agree to disagree, there are more than 32 1st round graded prospects in this draft to me

Some undeserving I think

[esmort]

Doesn't Mayock's "official final mock draft" come out tomorrow(Wed.)?  If so we will be able to see how his mock draft looks compared to his top 100.

[Hoosiernsavga]

This is "Draft Day" the movie without the unrealistic trade if Hou picks Mack... LOL

[OffensivelyPC]

People keep saying this. Can I have video evidence of him taking play off? If his tape from 2013 is him not trying then I'm scared to see what he does when he is trying.

UNC, Clemson, and those are just the first two games I randomly selected.  When I watch those games, I don't see the #1 pick overall.  UNC he was notoriously criticized for coming out in the season opener flat, but many gave him a pass because it was the first game of the season.  In the Clemson game, I see a guy consistently beat one on one and not the guy "that didn't produce because he was constantly being double and triple teamed."  He wasn't.  And even when he was, there was several times that he just ran 8 yards up field but never affected the play.  The sack and couple of tackles he actually did make, were guys that just ran into him.    And you make a good point about how good he could be if he does try...that just assumes that he actually does.  But from a common sense standpoint, you gotta think twice about a guy that you pick number one overall when he only gets 40 tackles and 3 sacks his entire junior campaign.  That's terrible.  Mario Williams put up 60 tackles and 15 sacks, and he had extremely good freshman and sophomore campaigns.  And you mean to tell me that teams just so happened to scheme against Clowney and not Mario?  Com'on.  Yeah the SEC is tougher, but Clowney struggled against weak teams that he clearly should have dominated...UNC for example.  His Missouri tape isn't great either.  If he can't take on inferior LTs and/or double teams against collegiate talent, then he's not going to be able to win one on one against the leagues best pass blocking tight ends.  At least not enough to warrant the title of best DE physical specimen.   That's just nonsense.  You can have all the physical gifts in the world, but there isn't going to be anything that separates you from the Haynesworths and Ryan Leafs if you don't have the work ethic.  And a guy that takes plays off (or maybe better said as not giving his full effort for the better part of the season) isn't going to give you warm fuzzy feelings when he becomes unhappy about a contract situation (see Desean Jackson).

[OffensivelyPC]

It's hilarious how there are questions about Clowney taking plays off and not any for Aaron Donald. #narrative

Yeah, but Donald isn't being hyped and compared to Lawrence Taylor - one of the greatest defensive football players of all time.  Even if you want to downplay that comparison (which I strongly suggest you do), there's still no doubt that the hype around Clowney dwarfs that of Donald.  When you're hyped to the degree that Clowney is, there should be little t ono question about your effort on the field...but that question does persist and there's at least a fair amount of film to back it up.