Colts select Khaled Holmes, C from USC (4th Round)

[Brooklyn Colt]

Hopefully they plan to play him at Guard..

[Captain Americolt]

Got absolutely DESTROYED by Lotulelei..he was also injured in that game I believe.. Other than that he was actually very good

[bestQBever]

Too small IMO. Most scouting reports say he should be limited to zone blocking scheme's and got manhandled by bigger defenders. We did not need a center. 

6'3 302 isn't that small.

[Pancake Block]

I am prone to defer to Grigson's judgement, but I went into this draft with a negative read on this guy.  Watched a couple of USC games this year and watched youtube video.  This guy sucks.  No athleticism.  Always looked a second or two late getting to his blocks when I saw him.  Bad pick IMHO.  Would rather have had Da'Rick Rodgers or Poyer. Can still shore up the C position in free agency. I like Mario Benivedes from Louisville. A little bit on the light side, but he won every battle at his position this year. Even against a couple of draftable 350 pounders.

[austriancolt]

They probalby draft WR Aaron Mellette in the 6th roud if he is there

[BlueCollarColts]

Too small IMO. Most scouting reports say he should be limited to zone blocking scheme's and got manhandled by bigger defenders. We did not need a center. 

6-3 305, how is that too small?

[presto123]

 Hear people left and right complaining about our Centers yet we did not need a Center. ANY draft pick to help keep Luck on his feet is a good draft pick by me.

[HtownColt]

Mcshay: " i like him, he had an injury he's a fighter, don't trust that 2012 tape, go back to the 2011 tape"

[Captain Americolt]

confused. .. If we are going bpa we shouldn't be getting guys that clearly aren't bpa so if a wr is bpa why not take him need or not. .

He was obviously the BPA on our GM's board....

[Dustin]

So he's a 3rd string center?

[HtownColt]

Yea people wanted Barrett jones all up to he was picked, we pick Holmes all the sudden we didn't need a center

[Smonroe]

confused. .. If we are going bpa we shouldn't be getting guys that clearly aren't bpa so if a wr is bpa why not take him need or not. .

 

We're obviously going BPA in areas of need.  

[MTC]

I don't understand...Grigson was emphatic when he said he'd never start a rookie Olineman?! -grin-

 

Smoke screen probably 

[Indy005]

There must be SOME reason LOT of teams continue to pass on Patton. Luck got mauled almost every play last year, this new front office is doing everything opposite of Polian.

 

Polian put too much emphasis on skill players and ignored the trenches. We drafted quite a few skill players last year, got one very good prospect in the free agency, this draft was about the trenches.

[Nobody]

Hear people left and right complaining about our Centers yet we did not need a Center. ANY draft pick to help keep Luck on his feet is a good draft pick by me.

The only center we complained about was Satele.

Holmes doesn't have the strength to play C for us, let alone guard. Bleh

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

All's i'm going to say is that we better have a Damn good O line next year. And i really was hoping for Baccari rambo. 

[John Waylon]

Love it! Position of need and my wife's family are huge SC people and I've watched him for four years in person. Always been a leader and one of the most talked about players here. Him being a center and not a flashy position in LA and being so discussed says a lot.

Position of need?

 

We, uh, we don't already have 2 guys at the position battling for the starting spot?

 

I don't get the pick. There doesn't seem to be much fanfare for his chances at switching to G (One of which we've already drafted, anyways) and we have two guys on the DC in front of him. 

 

I don't think this pick is going to pan at all. 

 

I would have taken a chance on Patton in that spot.

[Nobody]

Well now we're going to cut a center, and it will probably be AQ. Good for him, we're squandering his talents.

[trueblueblood]

I love how our biggest need the whole season And offseason has been o-line, and everyone complains when we go o-line in the draft... Lol

[ponyboy]

Well itd be nice to have a another wr.

We did not need a C at all. Dont think he can overtake Satele or AQ.

I've felt that Satele wouldn't be with the team past this year -- his salary in that 3rd year is too high for his production.  I'm wondering now if he'll make it this year.

[Dustin]

I love how our biggest need the whole season And offseason has been o-line, and everyone complains when we go o-line in the draft... Lol

Yeah, the guard spots. Not center.

[Indeee]

Jessie Williams shouldve been picked.. I cant believe hes sitting there and we pass on him

[Andy]

Holmes on his versatility: "I think I can definitely play multiple positions, all three interior parts."

[NewColtsFan]

Got absolutely DESTROYED by Lotulelei..he was also injured in that game I believe.. Other than that he was actually very good

 

Yes. Holmes was very injured in the game.   Injured enough that he probably shouldn't have played.   But USC is on severe scholarship sanctions and their back-up was a RS Freshman who wasn't ready.

 

Holmes took one for the team.   But that's all people seem to remember.    Too bad really.    He's been pretty high regarded for some time.

[HarassedOffTheSite]

Smoke screen probably

Sarcasm...Grigson never said it. But the Cornerbackites raped the imaginary quote like it was a drunk babe in their bed.

[Gavin]

I don't understand...Grigson was emphatic when he said he'd never start a rookie Olineman?! -grin-

4th round pick, I doubt he starts from day 1, highly unlikely considering the Center is responsible for so much and his technique needs some work, regardless Satele probably has 1 year to prove himself in my opinion, I highly doubt we will pay Satele 4,200.000.00$ (his 2014 cap hit wil actually be 5, 366, 667.00$) for another year like last year

[Andy]

Jessie Williams shouldve been picked.. I cant believe hes sitting there and we pass on him

 

His knee is very bad, but he's a guy I would've liked to have.

[HarassedOffTheSite]

I love how our biggest need the whole season And offseason has been o-line, and everyone complains when we go o-line in the draft... Lol

LOL

[Pancake Block]

Hmm, interesting. Didn't expect it really. We have Shipley/Satele for center. However, depth on the oline is never horrible.

We need an upgrade at Center and this pick shows that Grigson and Pagano agree. That said, I think they blew the pick. Hope I'm wrong, but I didn't like the performances I saw out of this kid this year. Seems like all the USC players who didn't perform this year are all claiming they were injured. Think things will be even rougher in the NFL? Satele is a journeyman and very average. Shipley is a good run blocker but his size and lack of arm length make him a liability in pass protection. Too bad the Alabama center went off the board a few picks ago.

[Pombi9]

Too small IMO. Most scouting reports say he should be limited to zone blocking scheme's and got manhandled by bigger defenders. We did not need a center. 

That is basically word for word the scouting report on Jeff Saturday back in 1999. "Too small"  "Trouble matching up against power NT's" 

Saturday proved to me, (and obviously the Colts organization if they made this pick) that centers do not have to be huge and bulky. 

I am not saying this guy is a sure thing because I have not watched a lot of USC football, but if I have learned anything from Jeff Saturday, it is not to immediately label a center a bust or unfit for the NFL due to his size.

 

[presto123]

 Well....obviously Grigson is less than happy with who is already here at C.

[Balzer40]

Seriously?  You did see Satele play, right?  I like Shipley but he could hardly walk in one of the games I went to.

 

Center is definitely a position that needs upgraded.  I'm not saying Holmes is it, but he may be better than what we have now.

 

 

 

Yep, I'm serious. Satele gets too much crap because he played injured most of the yr. Mike Chappell wrote about it after the season and shipley was very good when he got the chance to play.

 

we will be running more Zone this year then last year, and if Holmes improves kiss Mr. Head Bob goodbye

 

 

Don't start with the "head bob" nonsense. Virtually every center in the league does the exact same thing. Matt Birk, who just retired and is a future HOFer at center, head bobbed on every single snap of his career. It's a timing mechanism that centers use with the snap count. Like I said, virtually every center in football does it.

[Nobody]

FWIW Hopmes is BRs top center, and try compare him to Brad Meester. They agree he is too weak.

[HtownColt]

Holmes when he was healthy in 2011 against Louis Nix and against Star:

[ar1888]

I hate this pick just for the simple fact that we do not pick again until the 6th round. I think will miss out on Jesse Williams, and impact WR, and RB.

[John Waylon]

Could this mean bye-bye Satele?

I dunno. I don't recall the specifics of his deal, but isn't most of it guaranteed?

 

I don't mind Staele as a backup to Shipley. 

[james_zeigler1994]

Wont matter colts don't have a 5th round pick.

[Andy]

I hate this pick just for the simple fact that we do not pick again until the 6th round. I think will miss out on Jesse Williams, and impact WR, and RB.

Knowing his knee, WIlliams could be there. Injuries kill stocks. It's the worst thing for a prospect. 

[Drewbacca]

Suicide watch as my UCLA guys go to GB.

[John Waylon]

I love how our biggest need the whole season And offseason has been o-line, and everyone complains when we go o-line in the draft... Lol

Picking up Donald Thomas and Cherilus has made our line tenfold better than it was. Those two are automatic starters. So that has left ONE position of need on our line, at G. 

 

Why did we need a center? We have Shipley and Staele, who will be embattled for the right to start come camp time.