Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Greenoughrunner

Luck vs rg3

915 posts in this topic

I like Luck but from what I can see, RG3 is the more accurate passer, he runs faster and is more elusive.

They're both good but I don't see how anybody assessing the QB's objectively can say that Luck does anything better than RG3. Seems like RG3 has the potential to be the best QB in the league. Luck seems to be RG3 lite.

But both are good.

First off we all know RGIII is faster than Luck his 40 times proved that. Then you have to go and make a comment regarding skin color. . . Really why does it have to come to that? That just shows ignorance. If you have to point to skin color to try and validate your point then you have lost the arguement. There is no need for skin color to be brought into this conversation so please leave it at the door.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

......And the hyperbole for RG3 isn't just as bad or worse?

What hyperbole? I don't think I have read anyone say he is the GOAT or anything. Or am I mistaken?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's an apples and oranges comparison, so this entire debate is about who has the greener lawn. And we both own golf courses. If Luck threw 21 passes in a game, completing 13 of them, the Colts couldn't win. The Browns game is the only one out of 12 so far in which Luck wasn't asked to toss it around like a guy with his hair on fire. RG3 can, and has, been able to limit the attempts, maintain balanced play calling with some regularity. Wilson too. But the offenses are so different, the players on the rosters so different... I agree with many others who have said that the huge advantage RG3 (and Wilson) have is their running games. More importantly, RG3 isn't being routinely asked to make multiple reads on five and seven step drops 25+ times a game, while Luck is. But that isn't a knock on RG3, it's what Shanahan is asking of him. So the issue to me than becomes could RG3 be performing as well on the Colts, and Luck on the Skins? We don't know, and it doesn't matter. It is likely the numbers would be as they are now. Why? Because they are both talented, smart, athletic, quality QBs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What hyperbole? I don't think I have read anyone say he is the GOAT or anything. Or am I mistaken?

Absolutely you're mistaken. I have heard ESPN claim that RG3 was the best rookie in the history of football. Not just QB, but best ever rookie at any position. That is utter and complete nonsense. I have heard them, almost on a daily basis, try to make an argument for MVP this season. IMO, that is utter and complete nonsense.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's an apples and oranges comparison, so this entire debate is about who has the greener lawn. And we both own golf courses. If Luck threw 21 passes in a game, completing 13 of them, the Colts couldn't win. The Browns game is the only one out of 12 so far in which Luck wasn't asked to toss it around like a guy with his hair on fire. RG3 can, and has, been able to limit the attempts, maintain balanced play calling with some regularity. Wilson too. But the offenses are so different, the players on the rosters so different... I agree with many others who have said that the huge advantage RG3 (and Wilson) have is their running games. More importantly, RG3 isn't being routinely asked to make multiple reads on five and seven step drops 25+ times a game, while Luck is. But that isn't a knock on RG3, it's what Shanahan is asking of him. So the issue to me than becomes could RG3 be performing as well on the Colts, and Luck on the Skins? We don't know, and it doesn't matter. It is likely the numbers would be as they are now. Why? Because they are both talented, smart, athletic, quality QBs.

Well said.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

First off we all know RGIII is faster than Luck his 40 times proved that. Then you have to go and make a comment regarding skin color. . . Really why does it have to come to that? That just shows ignorance. If you have to point to skin color to try and validate your point then you have lost the arguement. There is no need for skin color to be brought into this conversation so please leave it at the door.

How does me bringing up skin color denote a lack of knowledge on my part?

I feel that's why people think he won't succeed and is compared to Vick or Newton. He runs. Yes. But So does Luck. I don't see Luck being referred to as a running QB.

Luck gets Compared to Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers etc.

I'm not a Griffin fan. I'm not really trying to argue thus I don't need to resort to race. I'm trying to understand what has made people annoint Luck as a peerless rookie QB.

Since I don't watch college football, I was ignorant and could not tell which one we should have drafted. Now that I have seen them both play, I am confused by how some were repulsed at the mere thought of drafting RG3 over Luck.

So please, someone tell me why Luck is better than RG3... and not because the Colts have a better record.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Absolutely you're mistaken. I have heard ESPN claim that RG3 was the best rookie in the history of football. Not just QB, but best ever rookie at any position. That is utter and complete nonsense. I have heard them, almost on a daily basis, try to make an argument for MVP this season. IMO, that is utter and complete nonsense.

What about the hype around Luck? And you know there has been a ton. Is the hype warranted?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How does me bringing up skin color denote a lack of knowledge on my part?

I feel that's why people think he won't succeed and is compared to Vick or Newton. He runs. Yes. But So does Luck. I don't see Luck being referred to as a running QB.

Luck gets Compared to Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers etc.

I'm not a Griffin fan. I'm not really trying to argue thus I don't need to resort to race. I'm trying to understand what has made people annoint Luck as a peerless rookie QB.

Since I don't watch college football, I was ignorant and could not tell which one we should have drafted. Now that I have seen them both play, I am confused by how some were repulsed at the mere thought of drafting RG3 over Luck.

So please, someone tell me why Luck is better than RG3... and not because the Colts have a better record.

Luck does not have designed run plays, therefor he's a scrambling QB like Rogers etc... He runs when it's necessary.

RGIII has designed RUN plays, thus a running QB like Vick and Newton, who also have designed run plays (Vick less recently). Really, it's not that hard to grasp this concept.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It doesn't really matter what people think but since this is a forum, it's the perfect place to voice my opinion.

And my opinion is, if both QB's were to live up to their potential, RG3 would become the better QB.

And right now I feel they're on the same level. If I was in charge of the Colts, now that I've seen both play, I would probably draft Griffin. That's just my opinion.

And I'm sure no one cares. At least you shouldn't.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What about the hype around Luck? And you know there has been a ton. Is the hype warranted?

8-4 from a 2-14 team. I'd say the hype fits. I don't care how pretty the car is, I just want to get there. Why on earth does it matter who is "better" when nobody can define the criteria to assess it? This isn't a math formula, it's a matter of personal opinion. Which makes it a useless debate. And since there will never be a time when Luck can start on the Skins from day one, nor RG3 on the Colts, we'll never know given the same set of circumstances. More to the point, this is a marathon, not a sprint, so assessing careers 12 games into the first season is pointless. When the careers are over, and all the wins and losses, all the playoff appearances and stats are gathered, they will fall in line with all the other QBs who have ever played.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Luck does not have designed run plays, therefor he's a scrambling QB like Rogers etc... He runs when it's necessary.

RGIII has designed RUN plays, thus a running QB like Vick and Newton, who also have designed run plays (Vick less recently). Really, it's not that hard to grasp this concept.

Ok, it's not hard at all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Luck does not have designed run plays, therefor he's a scrambling QB like Rogers etc... He runs when it's necessary.

RGIII has designed RUN plays, thus a running QB like Vick and Newton, who also have designed run plays (Vick less recently). Really, it's not that hard to grasp this concept.

But then people just ignore his passing ability?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But then people just ignore his passing ability?

Newton broke the rookie passing record last year, so I don't think a comparison to Newton negates RGIII's ability to pass.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Stats are like women's G-string...allows You to see a lot of things, still covers what really matters.

I cannot believe you just said that :oops:

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What about the hype around Luck? And you know there has been a ton. Is the hype warranted?

I'll just say, Yes, the hype was and is absolutely warranted. Secondly, the hype for RG3 has been on a whole new level, a level of sickening and disgusting proportions. Especially, from Skip Bayless, who im pretty sure would marry RG3 if RG3 would have him. The same Skip Bayless that thinks Tim Tebow is a great QB. Any player that Skip Bayless thinks is awesome, pretty much tells me that they will turn out to be a bust.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll just say, Yes, the hype was and is absolutely warranted. Secondly, the hype for RG3 has been on a whole new level, a level of sickening and disgusting proportions. Especially, from Skip Bayless, who im pretty sure would marry RG3 if RG3 would have him. The same Skip Bayless that thinks Tim Tebow is a great QB. Any player that Skip Bayless thinks is awesome, pretty much tells me that they will turn out to be a bust.

Quite honestly IMO I find the Luck hype to be much more disgusting. And imo it's been much higher.

"Suck for Luck!"

Yuck.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It is not on there now, but previously the NFL network had a thread right below RG3's picture that read "vote for RG3 for the probowl". If you opened the thread, a listing of all the candidates appeared. That is what I was relating to on the media being a tad bit biased. Everyone, including RG3 and Luck needs to be considered in a fair way, not on whose popular at the moment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wish Eli Manning would call a presser and issue the proclamation that he is better than RG3 and vows to whoop his rear end for the next 7-10 years. That would start a proper rivalry and leave Luck to worry about Brady, which is the way God designed it.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wow...alot of hatred in this thread. But I would like to respond to certain things I believe are inaccuracies in logic that need to be nipped in the butt....

1) Washington's O-Line is worse than Indianapolis' O-Line IMO. It's the exact line that gave up 41 sacks a year ago (vs. the Colts 35 sacks). The difference between this year and last is literally the QB. The Redskins went from the probably the most immobile quarterback in the league (Rex Grossman) to one of the most mobile, fastest QBs in the league, and that has done wonders on pass pro. Griffin has changed plays that were historically a negative play into positive, back breaking plays several times this season. Games that were typically 4-5 sack games have turned into 1-2 sack games instead. And most of that credit goes to RG3's feet and the offensive playcalling (the quick screens and passes to the flat are designed for a reason, people). I mean, i think it's flat out silly to attack RG3 and the Skins' offense when it's designed to mask the o-line's pass blocking deficiencies and it works. And speaking of the offense....

2) The offense is not a college offense. What a load of bunk. It's a modified West Coast offense, with zone reads added in, because, you know, the QB actually runs it well. It uses the same principles--freezing up the LB's and attacking the middle of the field. It's not simple at all because they are several different formations, and there is little to no pre-snap reads. It's literally decisions on the fly--even the decision to hand the ball off is done after the ball is snapped...that IMO is more difficult than an offense based around pre-snap reads, because the reads are done while the play is actually being ran.

3) Who is the better QB now? If we're going by statistics...it's not even close. RGIII has a better than 4 to 1 TD-to-INT ratio...that is not just good for a rookie...that's great for ANY QB. He's 3rd in QBR (vs. 26th for Luck). RGIII is 6th in completion % (vs. Luck at 32). Yes, Luck is 4th in yardage, but he's also 2nd in attempts (which is ridiculously high for a rookie QB btw). If we're looking at impact, then Luck would get the nod, simply for taking a 2-win team last season to 8 wins, although RGIII has better, higher profile wins than Luck this year.

That's my $0.02....take it how you'd like....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wow...alot of hatred in this thread. But I would like to respond to certain things I believe are inaccuracies in logic that need to be nipped in the butt....

1) Washington's O-Line is worse than Indianapolis' O-Line IMO. It's the exact line that gave up 41 sacks a year ago (vs. the Colts 35 sacks). The difference between this year and last is literally the QB. The Redskins went from the probably the most immobile quarterback in the league (Rex Grossman) to one of the most mobile, fastest QBs in the league, and that has done wonders on pass pro. Griffin has changed plays that were historically a negative play into positive, back breaking plays several times this season. Games that were typically 4-5 sack games have turned into 1-2 sack games instead. And most of that credit goes to RG3's feet and the offensive playcalling (the quick screens and passes to the flat are designed for a reason, people). I mean, i think it's flat out silly to attack RG3 and the Skins' offense when it's designed to mask the o-line's pass blocking deficiencies and it works. And speaking of the offense....

2) The offense is not a college offense. What a load of bunk. It's a modified West Coast offense, with zone reads added in, because, you know, the QB actually runs it well. It uses the same principles--freezing up the LB's and attacking the middle of the field. It's not simple at all because they are several different formations, and there is little to no pre-snap reads. It's literally decisions on the fly--even the decision to hand the ball off is done after the ball is snapped...that IMO is more difficult than an offense based around pre-snap reads, because the reads are done while the play is actually being ran.

3) Who is the better QB now? If we're going by statistics...it's not even close. RGIII has a better than 4 to 1 TD-to-INT ratio...that is not just good for a rookie...that's great for ANY QB. He's 3rd in QBR (vs. 26th for Luck). RGIII is 6th in completion % (vs. Luck at 32). Yes, Luck is 4th in yardage, but he's also 2nd in attempts (which is ridiculously high for a rookie QB btw). If we're looking at impact, then Luck would get the nod, simply for taking a 2-win team last season to 8 wins, although RGIII has better, higher profile wins than Luck this year.

That's my $0.02....take it how you'd like....

1. Washington's O-line is not worse than Indy's. Thats basic knowledge and if anybody disagree's, they simply haven't watched the games. The skins line may not be real adept at pass blocking but they have one of the best run blocking lines in the league. Indy's line can do neither.

2. The Skins offense is a college style option offense and even Gruden said it was. If want to argue with people that have actually coached in the league before and knows these offenses inside and out, then I guess there is no sense in debating the subject.

3. If you go by stats and stats alone, then that logic is highly flawed. You have to look beyond the stats and delve into the reasoning for the stats.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Colin Cowherd this morning started singing Luck's praises like crazy, saying he is better than RGIII, he just would not stop. I don't know if that's good or bad because it sounded just like when he expresses his love for Tom Brady :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Colin Cowherd this morning started singing Luck's praises like crazy, saying he is better than RGIII, he just would not stop. I don't know if that's good or bad because it sounded just like when he expresses his love for Tom Brady :)

I would rather get the Love from Cowherd than Skip Bayless. Bayless's undying devotion for everything RG3 is comical because he has proved time and time again that he know's absolutely nothing about football.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Hidden by Nadine, December 4, 2012 - inflammatory

My first and hopefully only post in this epic thread.

I’m not sure what this thread has more of whether it is hypocrisy, hate, jealously, or just far-fetched phantasmagoric statements.

Either way it’s been comical to watch from afar, and par for the course.

6 people like this

Share this post


Link to post

I cannot believe you just said that :oops:

Sorry for shattering my reputation at You... I wanted to express what stats worth, and I couldn't miss a joke...

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How does me bringing up skin color denote a lack of knowledge on my part?

I feel that's why people think he won't succeed and is compared to Vick or Newton. He runs. Yes. But So does Luck. I don't see Luck being referred to as a running QB.

Luck gets Compared to Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers etc.

I'm not a Griffin fan. I'm not really trying to argue thus I don't need to resort to race. I'm trying to understand what has made people annoint Luck as a peerless rookie QB.

Since I don't watch college football, I was ignorant and could not tell which one we should have drafted. Now that I have seen them both play, I am confused by how some were repulsed at the mere thought of drafting RG3 over Luck.

So please, someone tell me why Luck is better than RG3... and not because the Colts have a better record.

Your posts would dictate otherwise that your a Griffin fan.

Secondly if we cannot use wins as a barometer, then you can't use any stats at all to claim that RGIII is better. You can't exclude stats because they make your point not valid.

Luck is asked to do way more with alot less offensively speaking than Griffin. Luck has to throw the ball skewing his numbers greatly. Last nights game for example the Skins had over 200 rushing yds.

Yet in stark contrast Indy vs. Det the colts had a total of 87 running yds and 33 came from Luck.

You can't compare the two players because the schemes aren't anywhere close to being the same. Arians isn't running a "college" style offense like Shanahan.

I'm not knocking it but what I am saying is that the system in which Griffin is in, its a low risk, high reward type offense where as luck is High risk/ High reward

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wow...alot of hatred in this thread. But I would like to respond to certain things I believe are inaccuracies in logic that need to be nipped in the butt....

1) Washington's O-Line is worse than Indianapolis' O-Line IMO.

That's my $0.02....take it how you'd like....

the_price_is_right-show-1_zps09e344b3.jpg

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Hidden by Nadine, December 4, 2012 - quoting removed post

My first and hopefully only post in this epic thread.

I’m not sure what this thread has more of whether it is hypocrisy, hate, jealously, or just far-fetched phantasmagoric statements.

Either way it’s been comical to watch from afar, and par for the course.

Well now if you will explain to me what all those big words mean maybe I can give you a like. :funny:

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post

They're both good but I don't see how anybody assessing the QB's objectively can say that Luck does anything better than RG3. Seems like RG3 has the potential to be the best QB in the league. Luck seems to be RG3 lite.

Things that Luck does better:

Run a true Pro Style offense

Run the no huddle

2 minute drills

3rd and long conversions (best in the league)

Not showboat after every play

etc.

etc.

If RG3 has the potential to be the best QB in the league why are they babying him with the gimmick offense that limits his throws down field? He throws a spectacular deep ball, but the rest of pass plays the coaches call are rather pedestrian routes and screens. This league figures out gimmicks real fast. I wish they would just open up the playbook and let him do his thing. In last night's game he wasn't even the best rookie on his own team (Alfred Morris won the game), let alone in the league.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll just say, Yes, the hype was and is absolutely warranted. Secondly, the hype for RG3 has been on a whole new level, a level of sickening and disgusting proportions. Especially, from Skip Bayless, who im pretty sure would marry RG3 if RG3 would have him. The same Skip Bayless that thinks Tim Tebow is a great QB. Any player that Skip Bayless thinks is awesome, pretty much tells me that they will turn out to be a bust.

Absolutely you're mistaken. The media and hype around Luck last year was every bit as over the top as the rg3 hype is now. Before ever taking an NFL snap he was the next manning and elway rolled into one.

Luck was the media darling for a while after tebow got old. Rg3 is the media darling now. Before long it'll be someone else. Frankly I'm beginning to wonder if you're just upset the media is worshipping someone other than Luck.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the_price_is_right-show-1_zps09e344b3.jpg

Say what you'd like, but one guy is excelling, despite his poor o-line, while another guy (or should I saw another guy's fanbase) is using his as an excuse for his mistakes.

Washington's o-line was one of the worse last season--the only difference is the guy taking the snaps.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Luck does not have designed run plays, therefor he's a scrambling QB like Rogers etc... He runs when it's necessary.

RGIII has designed RUN plays, thus a running QB like Vick and Newton, who also have designed run plays (Vick less recently). Really, it's not that hard to grasp this concept.

He is still a pass first quarterback, and he is pretty good at it. I still call him Brady with legs, like many refer to 12 as Manning with legs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Absolutely you're mistaken. The media and hype around Luck last year was every bit as over the top as the rg3 hype is now. Before ever taking an NFL snap he was the next manning and elway rolled into one.

Luck was the media darling for a while after tebow got old. Rg3 is the media darling now. Before long it'll be someone else. Frankly I'm beginning to wonder if you're just upset the media is worshipping someone other than Luck.

That has to be what it is. I didn't hear any complaints when 12 was getting all the attention before the draft, and now that Griffin is the new thing...people hate it. Just hypocrisy.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll just say, Yes, the hype was and is absolutely warranted. Secondly, the hype for RG3 has been on a whole new level, a level of sickening and disgusting proportions. Especially, from Skip Bayless, who im pretty sure would marry RG3 if RG3 would have him. The same Skip Bayless that thinks Tim Tebow is a great QB. Any player that Skip Bayless thinks is awesome, pretty much tells me that they will turn out to be a bust.

So if Bayless starts singing praises for 12 if he gets into the playoffs...then he is destined to be a bust? Ah.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So if Bayless starts singing praises for 12 if he gets into the playoffs...then he is destined to be a bust? Ah.

sHEEE!!!! pLEASE NOT SO LOUD SKIP MIGHT HEAR YA!!!

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just like the hypocricy of a Houston fan posting on a COLTS "FAN" FORUM.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am a skins fan. Yes we are ecstatic over what is going on here in Washington DC and RG3. But there is a unanimous consensus around here that if we were to go over the draft again and if Skins had a choice to pick between Luck and RG3, it is Luck that we will choose. But we never had that choice. We tried to get the next best player after Luck.

If you listen to the talk shows here, though we are excited, we are also very nervous. Nobody knows how long this college style can last. We watch in horror everytime he gets hit. Our hope is that he transforms into a typical NFL QB.

It would be FAR from unanimous at this point. Before we saw these guys in action it was probably 85-15 in favor of Luck with just about everyone happy we had a shot at either. Now it's probably the reverse. Skins fans have their guy and they like him a heck of a lot.

The talk shows can be interesting but they're no beacon of intelligent football discussion, least of all when DC area callers are involved. This is not a college offense and anyone who insists that it is or is "gimmicky" in some way should be discredited instantly. It's built predominantly on sound concepts from a long-time pro-style offense that has borrowed and improved upon a few things from the college game.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just like the hypocricy of a Houston fan posting on a COLTS "FAN" FORUM.

Oh, sorry, I didn't know it was exclusive to Colts fans. You better tell the Patriots, Saints, Chargers, and Redskins fans to stop posting here too. You don't seem to understand what the word HYPOCRISY means either, nor do you know how to spell it. Move along now, this topic apparently doesn't interest you enough to comment about it instead of me...Novice.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh, sorry, I didn't know it was exclusive to Colts fans. You better tell the Patriots, Saints, Chargers, and Redskins fans to stop posting here too. You don't seem to understand what the word HYPOCRISY means either, nor do you know how to spell it. Move along now, this topic apparently doesn't interest you enough to comment about it instead of me...Novice.

You have just as much a right to post here as Colts fans, but please show some respect when you do it. Many times when I read your posts you just seem as if you are here to stir the pot. I don't know if that is the case, but it certainly seems that way. If I am wrong I apologize in advance.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You have just as much a right to post here as Colts fans, but please show some respect when you do it. Many times when I read your posts you just seem as if you are here to stir the pot. I don't know if that is the case, but it certainly seems that way. If I am wrong I apologize in advance.

Thanks! You stated that much better than I did!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You have just as much a right to post here as Colts fans, but please show some respect when you do it. Many times when I read your posts you just seem as if you are here to stir the pot. I don't know if that is the case, but it certainly seems that way. If I am wrong I apologize in advance.

If I wanted to stir the pot I would be chalking up my team's record, path, hard work and other things while at the same time being a complete dbomb and pointing out every little mistake that I may or may not have noticed about the Colts both offensively and defensively. I have friends on this site and I show respect in every post I make...ironically enough, many of the posters here that don't show respect are the ones who don't like other teams fans and make no secret of it, whether the fan posts the truth about situations or if they are indeed trolls. I earned my respect over 1500 posts ago.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • They just want to pass the hot potato to us so we go the playoffs and face New England instead since they got Foxboro'ed out this year already. Sigh.   Just kidding.   Honestly this is terrible news. Love watching this guy play but he has not looked "all there" this year so far either. I still won't count Houston out though since they still might play very hard this year and it could still be a strong divisional battle.   It's important that they let him fully heal though for his future too.     Some say he should not have played.......but star players play banged up a lot. I am sure Luck was out there banged up last year a few times early in the year too. I think Houston probably trusted the trainers/doctors and how JJ himself said he felt and he felt okay to go perhaps. Before the NE game, I heard Watt was increasing his activity levels anyway in practice. Stuff, happens.......   Sucks so many stars are already hurt this year, but hey the Vikings have made do without a few and sometimes others step up in place.
    • I just don't think Luck trusts all his WR's yet.  I said this a couple of weeks ago to my buddy that he is waiting for the WR to come out of his break before throwing, which takes longer and leads to more problems.  I think he has decent chemistry with T.Y. but it's nowhere near the level that Manning had with Harrison and Wayne yet.  Takes time to build.  I also think in some of the situations where Luck makes the "boneheaded INT" throw he is trying to anticipate the pattern and it goes awry, which leads him to want to wait for the WR to break going forward.  I think it just may take a LOT more practice time and some years with these guys to gain that trust to know when they will break so he can release it sooner and not have something bad happen.   This is year 5 for Luck and T.Y. but not for everyone else.
    • Lol.. He said "circus", but I can definitely see where you could hear the other thing. 
    • I think we could win 5 by the mid-break.  BUT until we do he aint right and he aint wrong.  Just unproven.  He's still a fargin icehole though.
    • Ill try to answer your questions the best I can based on what I see and my opinion. Keep in mind its in my opinion though so take it for what it is worth.   He trusts both his arm and his legs . It has nothing to do with his physical ability that he doesn't trust. Its all mental ability to have a clock in his head the second he hits his drop back spot 3-5-7 steps. I believe he should be able to scan through his first 2 reads in under 2.5 seconds. By the time you get to that 3rd read I think your pretty well going to be under pressure unless you have an elite O Line pass blocking wise or you have your QB out on the move   I think Chud can help him out more by giving him some throws that are easy for him to make early on the games. Particularly short throws to get him settled in. Sometimes guys are not getting separation though and I don't really think Lucks strength is to throw guys open right now much. I think he is still working on learning to throw guys open which really involves throwing the ball to an area and trusting the receiver will be there. Instead I think he waits for the receiver to run his route and if the receiver is not open at the break point then he hesitates instead of throwing it to an area and having the WR go get it.   Also from the looks of it he doesn't get hardly any plays called that allow for him to throw on the run. No QB Roll Outs really at all. He needs more help from Chud
  • Welcome New Members

  • Members

    • Pointz

      Pointz 0

      Rookie
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Bluefire4

      Bluefire4 1,084

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Mr.Debonair

      Mr.Debonair 680

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • AZColt11

      AZColt11 178

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Gavin

      Gavin 6,655

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Carlos Danger

      Carlos Danger 670

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • jchandler7

      jchandler7 84

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • 100GFB

      100GFB 501

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • GoColtsWin

      GoColtsWin 138

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • AustinnKaine

      AustinnKaine 164

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:

Community Software by Invision Power Services, Inc.