Zoltan Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago The media is talking about Eberflus being fired to bring in an offensive mind for Caleb Williams. Now if we move on from Bradley would you be okay with them bringing Eberflus back? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid84 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Zoltan said: The media is talking about Eberflus being fired to bring in an offensive mind for Caleb Williams. Now if we move on from Bradley would you be okay with them bringing Eberflus back? Not really. I'd rather a younger and/or more creative give guy get the shot. I don't think we'll ever consider going away form 4-3 + zone and I think that's fine. I just don't like Bradley's lack of creativity and I don't understand why we're not even trying to disguise what we're doing. I wish we could get a guy like Brian Flores even if it means making a lot of changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard pallo Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Zoltan said: The media is talking about Eberflus being fired to bring in an offensive mind for Caleb Williams. Now if we move on from Bradley would you be okay with them bringing Eberflus back? Well Zaire just called him out on his podcast. So I would think we would be looking for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago I didn't want Eberflus when he was here. Too rigid and passive, similar to Bradley, but in different ways. I will say that I appreciated his focus on loafs and forcing turnovers. I don't know why Franklin dislikes him, maybe I'll listen, but he was playing behind Leonard and Okereke. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCMak24 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Just now, Superman said: I didn't want Eberflus when he was here. Too rigid and passive, similar to Bradley, but in different ways. I will say that I appreciated his focus on loafs and forcing turnovers. I don't know why Franklin dislikes him, maybe I'll listen, but he was playing behind Leonard and Okereke. So I watched his podcast he explained why he didn't care for eberflus.....so whenever franklin did something good or was looking good in a game or practice eberflus wouldn't give him recognition and certain calls he wouldn't tell franklin because he felt like he wasn't good enough (he explained in deeper detail but this is the short version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 3 minutes ago, BCMak24 said: So I watched his podcast he explained why he didn't care for eberflus.....so whenever franklin did something good or was looking good in a game or practice eberflus wouldn't give him recognition and certain calls he wouldn't tell franklin because he felt like he wasn't good enough (he explained in deeper detail but this is the short version) Okay, sounds like they had some beef. I find it hard to believe that Eberflus was actively undermining one of his own players, especially for no reason. But sometimes players and coaches have big problems with each other, and we never really get the full story. No big deal to me either way. Eberflus isn't coming back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyD4U Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 100% No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanDiasucci Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 44 minutes ago, Solid84 said: Not really. I'd rather a younger and/or more creative give guy get the shot. I don't think we'll ever consider going away form 4-3 + zone and I think that's fine. I just don't like Bradley's lack of creativity and I don't understand why we're not even trying to disguise what we're doing. I wish we could get a guy like Brian Flores even if it means making a lot of changes. It would be interesting to know if Steichen would prefer changing the defensive scheme if Bradley leaves and who he'd like to consider hiring as DC. I hope we'll do what he wants. These should be decisions for the head coach, not the GM. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restinpeacesweetchloe Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Hammonds Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Not really, no. Both the Tampa-2 Hybrid and the Cover-3 Leo are antiquated systems. I would want a bright young assistant who was a Vic Fangio Cover-6 acolyte. Someone who is on the cutting edge of the newest thing. And willing to modify what they're doing to change with the times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Over Bradley in a heart beat. If other options are on the table I’d hope the Colts explore all options. 3 minutes ago, John Hammonds said: Not really, no. Both the Tampa-2 Hybrid and the Cover-3 Leo are antiquated systems. I would want a bright young assistant who was a Vic Fangio Cover-6 acolyte. Someone who is on the cutting edge of the newest thing. And willing to modify what they're doing to change with the times. The Colts had Vic Fango and him and his defense is what lead to Jim Mora being fired and Tony Dungy and the cover-2 being brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Irrelevant Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 3 minutes ago, John Hammonds said: Not really, no. Both the Tampa-2 Hybrid and the Cover-3 Leo are antiquated systems. I would want a bright young assistant who was a Vic Fangio Cover-6 acolyte. Someone who is on the cutting edge of the newest thing. And willing to modify what they're doing to change with the times. Yeah, but it is not us on this forum, but Ballard, you need to convince! 😀 He seems very stubborn about this system where you think you can get away from getting top quality CBs. anyway, it is time to try something completely new whether Ballard likes it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hammonds Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 5 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said: Over Bradley in a heart beat. If other options are on the table I’d hope the Colts explore all options. The Colts had Vic Fango and him and his defense is what lead to Jim Mora being fired and Tony Dungy and the cover-2 being brought in. Yup. That was back in 2001. The defensive personnel wasn't very good, either. But what Vic experimented with in Miami last year was pretty inventive. And was working. I've also heard that he's really hard to get along with. I don't want him. I want a young guy who embraces new ideas without being Vic the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoltan Posted 6 hours ago Author Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 minute ago, John Hammonds said: Yup. That was back in 2001. The defensive personnel wasn't very good, either. But what Vic experimented with in Miami last year was pretty inventive. And was working. I've also heard that he's really hard to get along with. I don't want him. I want a young guy who embraces new ideas without being Vic the man. Personally I want Glenn Schumann from Georgia. He’s creative in his play calls especially when it comes to scrambling QBs. Which since the nfl is moving more into the running QB would be good to have. He has previously interviewed for the Eagles DC position, so it’s known he is willing to make the jump to the nfl. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hammonds Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Zoltan said: Personally I want Glenn Schumann from Georgia. He’s creative in his play calls especially when it comes to scrambling QBs. Which since the nfl is moving more into the running QB would be good to have. He has previously interviewed for the Eagles DC position, so it’s known he is willing to make the jump to the nfl. Schumann is a Nick Saban acolyte who went over to be the DC at Georgia. Looks like the Eagles interviewed him for their DC job back in February 2023, but he elected to stay at Georgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyagent17 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Not at all too much bad blood with players that are still here. We need somebody that’s innovative, not a retreat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago I would, as a LB coach, nothing more. LBs played disciplined under him and he was LB coach with the Cowboys, I think before he joined us as DC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediXMan Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Franklin if he sees him anywhere near the Colts facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt.45 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, Superman said: I didn't want Eberflus when he was here. Too rigid and passive, similar to Bradley, but in different ways. I will say that I appreciated his focus on loafs and forcing turnovers. I don't know why Franklin dislikes him, maybe I'll listen, but he was playing behind Leonard and Okereke. With Laiatu Latu and an improved pass rush? Yes, I think Flus would give Indy a top 5 defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smonroe Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Agree with you all - solid NO. But that being said, you can only cook with the ingredients you have in the kitchen. So first we need our GM (assuming it's still that blue chip guy) to provide some talent in the D backfield. And we know he's not going to pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, indyagent17 said: Not at all too much bad blood with players that are still here. We need somebody that’s innovative, not a retreat. I'd be fine with a retread under the right conditions. Someone like Marvin Lewis, Jim Schwartz..maybe even Jack Del Rio. Someone that ran a similar scheme but more aggressively. Someone that can install a system and culture while also grooming a younger, innovative position coach to be the heir apparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodelesstraveled Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Miller Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago He’s better than Bradley, but still not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelt Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago I seem to remember this forum begging any team to hire him as their head coach so he would be gone from here... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Pelt said: I seem to remember this forum begging any team to hire him as their head coach so he would be gone from here... And the overwhelming response in this thread has been “no” or “only over Bradley, but someone else, please”. There’s exactly 1 “yes” in this thread and the rest are the aforementioned “no’s” so what exactly is the point you’re trying to make here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelt Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 3 minutes ago, John Waylon said: And the overwhelming response in this thread has been “no” or “only over Bradley, but someone else, please”. There’s exactly 1 “yes” in this thread and the rest are the aforementioned “no’s” so what exactly is the point you’re trying to make here? A point directed to the opening post, which I just read because I haven't been on here all day and haven't read through all the responses yet. Having a bad day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Pelt said: A point directed to the opening post, which I just read because I haven't been on here all day and haven't read through all the responses yet. Having a bad day? Oh, so you jumped to conclusions because you couldn’t spend 90 seconds browsing through the responses before trying to get cute and throw shade? I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Pelt said: A point directed to the opening post, which I just read because I haven't been on here all day and haven't read through all the responses yet. Having a bad day? 1 minute ago, John Waylon said: Oh, so you jumped to conclusions because you couldn’t spend 90 seconds browsing through the responses before trying to get cute and throw shade? I see. Is this back and forth necessary? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOMDColtsfan Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 4 hours ago, Solid84 said: Not really. I'd rather a younger and/or more creative give guy get the shot. I don't think we'll ever consider going away form 4-3 + zone and I think that's fine. I just don't like Bradley's lack of creativity and I don't understand why we're not even trying to disguise what we're doing. I wish we could get a guy like Brian Flores even if it means making a lot of changes. Agree! Watched a breakdown on the schemes Flores is running pre snap. Brilliant! Thats what we need here in Indy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Superman said: Is this back and forth necessary? I’d like to think just generally browsing the comments to gather a consensus before trying to get cheeky and slight said consensus isn’t too much to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosejawcolt Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 4 hours ago, Zoltan said: The media is talking about Eberflus being fired to bring in an offensive mind for Caleb Williams. Now if we move on from Bradley would you be okay with them bringing Eberflus back? They dont need an offensive mind. They need an offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said: They dont need an offensive mind. They need an offensive line. They do need an offensive mind, though. I said from the moment he was hired there that it was a move that was dead on arrival. Pairing a QB like Fields (and now Willams,) with a guy like Flus wasn’t productive for either side. Both of those QBs would benefit far more from having an offensive guy at the helm than a defensive one. A defensive coach needs to have a strong offensive staff in place to help those young QBs and Flus did not. Fields is the perfect case in point: he landed in Pittsburgh with a defensive minded head coach who had a strong enough offensive support system to benefit him, and his career is starting to turn around for it. Think of our own history, did the pairing of Andrew Luck with a defensive guy like Pagano do him any favors? Not really, and in the end it’s probably a big part of the reason that story turned out the way it did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosejawcolt Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 8 minutes ago, John Waylon said: They do need an offensive mind, though. I said from the moment he was hired there that it was a move that was dead on arrival. Pairing a QB like Fields (and now Willams,) with a guy like Flus wasn’t productive for either side. Both of those QBs would benefit far more from having an offensive guy at the helm than a defensive one. A defensive coach needs to have a strong offensive staff in place to help those young QBs and Flus did not. Fields is the perfect case in point: he landed in Pittsburgh with a defensive minded head coach who had a strong enough offensive support system to benefit him, and his career is starting to turn around for it. Think of our own history, did the pairing of Andrew Luck with a defensive guy like Pagano do him any favors? Not really, and in the end it’s probably a big part of the reason that story turned out the way it did. I am not a big believer in hiring the so called offensive mind. I believe that is the role of a competent qb coach and offensive coordinator. We are playing a coach in Tomlin who is maybe the best coach in the league and he was a defensive coach. Williams is not struggling because of coaching. They have no run game and he is constantly getting pressured and that is on the GM. They didn't invest in the Oline. They built their receiver group in the draft and through free agency. A solid Oline would have taken pressure off of Williams. The Colts are actually built well to insulate a rookie qb and give him time to grown. If you look deep into Fields stats, he is still a bad qb. They are just not putting a lot on his plate, running the ball down teams throats and playing strong D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, Moosejawcolt said: I am not a big believer in hiring the so called offensive mind. I believe that is the role of a competent qb coach and offensive coordinator. We are playing a coach in Tomlin who is maybe the best coach in the league and he was a defensive coach. Williams is not struggling because of coaching. They have no run game and he is constantly getting pressured and that is on the GM. They didn't invest in the Oline. They built their receiver group in the draft and through free agency. A solid Oline would have taken pressure off of Williams. The Colts are actually built well to insulate a rookie qb and give him time to grown. If you look deep into Fields stats, he is still a bad qb. They are just not putting a lot on his plate, running the ball down teams throats and playing strong D. The advantages of an offensive minded head coach with a young QB are many. For example, if the HC is installing the offensive system. So if your young QB is a success, when your OC inevitably gets hired away by another team, the offensive structure will remain. There's also the fact that defensive minded HCs seem to have trouble relating to young QBs. They're inherently risk averse, and overly reliant on their defense, so the overall approach to the game is conservative, which means every mistake by the QB gets highlighted by the coach's negative response. And I don't mean yelling and screaming on the sideline, I mean the QB turns the ball over in the first half, so the rest of the game the offense is super run heavy. This is not true of all defensive minded guys, and there are some offensive minded HCs who struggle the same way. But I would lean toward an offensive coach if I had a young or developing QB, almost exclusively. I definitely don't think Eberflus is the right guy, but at least he's shown some growth in the last year or two. I was surprised by how much Hard Knocks showed him meeting solo with Caleb Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, Moosejawcolt said: I am not a big believer in hiring the so called offensive mind. I believe that is the role of a competent qb coach and offensive coordinator. We are playing a coach in Tomlin who is maybe the best coach in the league and he was a defensive coach. Williams is not struggling because of coaching. They have no run game and he is constantly getting pressured and that is on the GM. They didn't invest in the Oline. They built their receiver group in the draft and through free agency. A solid Oline would have taken pressure off of Williams. The Colts are actually built well to insulate a rookie qb and give him time to grown. If you look deep into Fields stats, he is still a bad qb. They are just not putting a lot on his plate, running the ball down teams throats and playing strong D. The problem with hiring a defensive guy and tasking him with building that offensive support system is that most of them just don’t have it, and they’re not really capable of building it. There aren’t enough Tom Moore types out there to help institute that long-term knowledgeable stability. We got lucky with Pagano and Luck having Arians in the building, and largely being the head coach for the majority of Luck’s rookie season. But watching Pagano flail to fill an offensive staff post-Arians was painful, and most of the defensive head coaches struggle in the exact same way. It’s out of their specialty and out of their comfort zone and it just makes it harder than it needs to be on everyone involved. The most advantageous way to hire a defensive HC is with an already established QB and system that he can just come in and not have to build from the ground up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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