Do you see any progress with Richardson?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Just now, richard pallo said:

It’s sad really.  I feel bad for the rest of the team.  We averaged 30 points a game last season with Minschew.  Now we are in the teens.  This offense is easily capable of putting up 30 but is being held back by a developmental quarterback.  All we can do is hope he improves to give the team a chance at more victories.  This is a playoff team with a good quarterback.  We just have to hope he figures it out.

If you listen to players they all have mentioned about having to go through growing growing pains with a young QB. You can hear them in the locker room after Anthony talks yelling we got you or something like that. It’s just part of the procedd. At least he isn’t 25 like will Levis making dumb decisions.

[Solid84]

3 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

It’s sad really.  I feel bad for the rest of the team.  We averaged 30 points a game last season with Minschew.  Now we are in the teens.  This offense is easily capable of putting up 30 but is being held back by a developmental quarterback.  All we can do is hope he improves to give the team a chance at more victories.  This is a playoff team with a good quarterback.  We just have to hope he figures it out.

No we didn't, lol. 396 points scored. 17 games played. That's 23.3 ppg. Not even close.

[ADnum1]

12 minutes ago, chad72 said:

We have to keep this in perspective that this was one of his worst games w.r.t his mechanics, IMO, that I have seen. You have to average it out over the course of the season where there will be games where his decision making and feet will show him to be more comfortable, just the law of averages.

 

So, the variability i.e. beta / risk will be higher this season and the goal is that it will be lower by the end of the season and start hitting a good floor next season, at least that is how I am reasoning with it. Jalen Hurts, despite all his sufficient starting prowess in college, still took till Year 3 to show the big jump. AR might be a better athlete than Hurts and bigger arm but Hurts started getting more accurate around Year 3, and they never shied away from Hurts' running game being an active part of the offense. AR's arm, his runs, his accuracy, Steichen's usage, ARE ALL EVOLVING.

 

The NFLPA limits what they can do at team facilities, which is a big part of these QBs seeking outside help outside the confines of the franchise facilities too for mechanics development/corrections, let us keep that in mind.

I agree.  I thought his mechanics were really bad yesterday.

 

One thing that is concerning to me is that if you look at Caleb Williams, he started off the game really rough and looked terrible.

 

But as the game went on he started to improve.  Late in the game, his one TD in the endzone was a very nice tight window throw. He showed very nice touch.

 

I came away a bit impressed.

 

I would love it if AR could make a tight window throw like that.  I think it would give fans some hope.

[chad72]

4 minutes ago, ADnum1 said:

I agree.  I thought his mechanics were really bad yesterday.

 

One thing that is concerning to me is that if you look at Caleb Williams, he started off the game really rough and looked terrible.

 

But as the game went on he started to improve.  Late in the game, his one TD in the endzone was a very nice tight window throw.

 

I came away a bit impressed.

 

I would love it if AR could make a tight window throw like that.  I think it would give fans some hope.

 

I have seen him hit it to Ogletree and Downs, but that was LAST YEAR. It is a game to game league, and just hoping it will all magically come back is still what it is, a HOPE but at least it is based on reality.  

[RollerColt]

33 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

Due respect, I just don’t understand posts like this. You think there are Colts fans who hate AR and want to see him fail. What posts say this? Who says this? 

Yes. Yes I do. There are some on here and on other forms of social media that want him to fail so that they're proven correct in their evaluation of him. 

[luv_pony_express]

3 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

All we can do is hope he improves to give the team a chance at more victories.  This is a playoff team with a good quarterback.  We just have to hope he figures it out.

 

This is correct.

 

It's easier to say "Well, everybody has to be patient and give him the time and latitude to fix these deficiencies in his game" than it is to actually....be patient and give him the time and latitude to fix these deficiencies in his game.

 

What exactly did everybody think that was going to look like...if it wasn't something like what we saw yesterday?

 

Two things everybody needs to not lose sight of as we pull our hair out watching him play:

 

1) To this point, he's had the right attitude about it.  There's no guarantee he'll continue having the right attitude.  And it won't help him maintain it if fan sentiment boils over to the point where things just fall apart.  And I very much believe fan sentiment can cause that to happen.

 

2) There is no quick, easy fix.  And that includes benching AR for Flacco.  Are we a better team with Flacco on the field right now?  Maybe.  Probably.  But is that really in the best interest of the franchise?  I don't think so.  AR needs reps....even if those reps end up costing us winnable games.  Personally, I think they're worth it.  Because Joe Flacco is not a long-term alternative.  There are no ready long-term alternatives....except another swipe at another QB prospect next year in the draft.

 

So I think everybody just needs to relax as much as possible.  And the coaching staff needs to make the space available for AR to progress....and that means taking as much pressure off his shoulders as possible.

[Superman]

16 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

No we didn't, lol. 396 points scored. 17 games played. That's 23.3 ppg. Not even close.

 

Do we want to talk about defensive scores also? 

[Solid84]

6 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Do we want to talk about defensive scores also? 

We could, but I'm not sure logic and reason is what's being peddled in here right now.

[BlackTiger]

I dont want him to fail so that I'll be right.  Hes had a bad year so far and I commenting about what Ive seen.  I hope he doesnt take years to be ready for the league 

[Smonroe]

5 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

I dont want him to fail so that I'll be right.  Hes had a bad year so far and I commenting about what Ive seen.  I hope he doesnt take years to be ready for the league 

Just to be clear, I’m a big AR supporter and I hope he’s the franchise QB for years to come.  
 

The reason I started this topic was to ask if others think he’s progressing.   To me, it’s obvious that he doesn’t look as good as he did last year against the Rams.  But I guess the progression (IMHO) should be viewed from game one this season on, taking into account his injury time off.  
 

A few here have made great points, on both sides of the coin.  Only time is going to tell.

[indyagent17]

Can you two just kiss and make up. Everyone is allowed to their opinion and conjecture 

[Old Man and the COLTS]

2 hours ago, ADnum1 said:

I agree.  I thought his mechanics were really bad yesterday.

 

One thing that is concerning to me is that if you look at Caleb Williams, he started off the game really rough and looked terrible.

 

But as the game went on he started to improve.  Late in the game, his one TD in the endzone was a very nice tight window throw. He showed very nice touch.

 

I came away a bit impressed.

 

I would love it if AR could make a tight window throw like that.  I think it would give fans some hope.

I didn’t realize it until I read a previous poster but Williams threw for 363 yards 33/57 58% that’s a bit more than a bit impressive to me lol

 

 

[BeanDiasucci]

57 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

Just to be clear, I’m a big AR supporter and I hope he’s the franchise QB for years to come.  
 

The reason I started this topic was to ask if others think he’s progressing.   To me, it’s obvious that he doesn’t look as good as he did last year against the Rams.  But I guess the progression (IMHO) should be viewed from game one this season on, taking into account his injury time off.  
 

A few here have made great points, on both sides of the coin.  Only time is going to tell.

I agree 100% with those who say Richardson needs to keep playing and that we should all have expected this would be a developmental year. At the same time, I'm concerned with what we've seen so far this season. Have you ever seen an NFL quarterback who misses short and intermediate targets by as much as Richardson sometimes does - or who is off-target as often? How much that can be improved is a huge question.

 

As others have said, the way the Colts are using Richardson, he isn't much of a running threat, either. Will Levis outrushed Anthony Richardson 36 yards to 24 yards yesterday. That's a surprise to me. I don't think AR can consistently succeed that way. 

 

[jvan1973]

29 minutes ago, BeanDiasucci said:

I agree 100% with those who say Richardson needs to keep playing and that we should all have expected this would be a developmental year. At the same time, I'm concerned with what we've seen so far this season. Have you ever seen an NFL quarterback who misses short and intermediate targets by as much as Richardson sometimes does - or who is off-target as often? How much that can be improved is a huge question.

 

As others have said, the way the Colts are using Richardson, he isn't much of a running threat, either. Will Levis outrushed Anthony Richardson 36 yards to 24 yards yesterday. That's a surprise to me. I don't think AR can consistently succeed that way. 

 

The miss to Pittman may be the worst throw I've ever seen.   Having said that,  he needs to keep playing.   Pulling him for Flacco won't help the future 

[USAFHoosier]

Statistically he regressed compared to last season, Bowen gave the stats on his podcast today. My eyes agree, as it seams is the consensus here. The staff can and should gameplan more towards his strengths but until Richardson consistently hits the gimme’s the offense will struggle. 

[a06cc]

1 minute ago, USAFHoosier said:

Statistically he regressed compared to last season, Bowen gave the stats on his podcast today. My eyes agree, as it seams is the consensus here. The staff can and should gameplan more towards his strengths but until Richardson consistently hits the gimme’s the offense will struggle. 

This right here! This could’ve been worked on last season instead of putting him out there day 1

[TrueBlue4ever]

We heard early in camp that he was having difficulty with his accuracy on the 7 on 7’s and could not hit the broadside of a barn door. That was the key indicator that he will need playing time to get better. It really can’t get worse this week after the last 2 showings, it won’t. He’s a pitcher who is wild, you have to keep running him out there win or lose. He will be running for his life this week against this defense. He seems to play free when he has an attitude, hopefully somebody gets in his ear from the Steelers and he plays to his strengths. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

8 hours ago, BeanDiasucci said:

It's not that clear on who is playing better, is it? 

 

Richardson 49.3% completions, 583 yards, 3 TDs, 6 INTs, 55.9 rating

Levis 68.1% completions, 579 yards, 4 TDs, 5 INTs, 76.5 rating 

 

The big difference is that Richardson is 22 and Levis is 25. 

Stats don't tell the whole story. Levis has cost his team by turning the ball over at crucial times. I mean pick 6's too. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

QB are constantly working on mechanics. What do you think happens when they can’t do anything for five months.

[Stephen]

1 hour ago, USAFHoosier said:

Statistically he regressed compared to last season, Bowen gave the stats on his podcast today. My eyes agree, as it seams is the consensus here. The staff can and should gameplan more towards his strengths but until Richardson consistently hits the gimme’s the offense will struggle. 

2 hours ago, BeanDiasucci said:

I agree 100% with those who say Richardson needs to keep playing and that we should all have expected this would be a developmental year. At the same time, I'm concerned with what we've seen so far this season. Have you ever seen an NFL quarterback who misses short and intermediate targets by as much as Richardson sometimes does - or who is off-target as often? How much that can be improved is a huge question.

 

As others have said, the way the Colts are using Richardson, he isn't much of a running threat, either. Will Levis outrushed Anthony Richardson 36 yards to 24 yards yesterday. That's a surprise to me. I don't think AR can consistently succeed that way. 

 

Everyone  is out rushing Richardson  even mahomes.  He is being used wrong. I feel like they may have rushed him back too soon. They should have started flacco the first half of the season while  working with Richardson  to clean up his mechanics then put him in later in the year.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 hour ago, a06cc said:

This right here! This could’ve been worked on last season instead of putting him out there day 1

We would then be in the same place because of no reps. He is only going to get better by playing and having the game slowed down.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This isn’t about this year. This is getting him to a place where he is great for the next ten. The kid had a great attitude and work ethic. But mechanics are going to suffer when you can’t do anything for five months.

[Moosejawcolt]

22 hours ago, Smonroe said:

To me, he doesn’t look nearly as good as he did last year.  I think they are stifling his game, worrying about injury.

 

I guess we have to accept this is an evaluation season.  The defense is below average, so this team isn’t going far (IMHO) unless AR turns it around fast.  

The progress that I see is that the coaches haven't bench him yet and I don't see it happening this year. Although he is struggling, he cleans up his accuracy and you will see a big jump in his play. I expect the interceptions to continue but accuracy is really what he needs to work on.  I dont think the Colts will coddle him and will continue to put him in situations where he will have to make good decisions. Rip of the bandage and let him go!!!

 

[richard pallo]

They knew he needed the reps but they barely played Richardson in the preseason.  Does that make sense?  It doesn’t to me.

[John Hammonds]

Some stats to the discussion:

2023/1 vs JAX 24/32 (.750) 223 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 2 sacks, 7 rush 21 yds, 1 fumble, 6.03 Y/A, 79.0 Rate

2023/2 vs HOU 6/10 (.600) 56 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 0 sacks, 3 rush 35 yds 2 TD, 5.6 Y/A, 75.4 Rate did not finish

2023/3 did not play

2023/4 vs LAR 11/25 (.440) 200 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 2 sacks, 10 rush 56 yds 1 TD, 2 fumble, 9.64 Y/A, 98.7 Rate

2023/5 vs TEN 9/12 (.750) 98 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 1 sack, 2 rush 5 yds, 1 fumble, 8.17 Y/A, 98.6 Rate did not finish

 

2024/1 vs HOU 9/19 (.474) 212 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 2 sacks, 6 rush 56 yds 1 TD, 0 fumbles, 11.2 Y/A 101.2 Rate

2024/2 vs GB 17/34 (.500) 204 yds, 1 TD, 3 INT, 1 sack, 4 rush 37 yds 0 TD, 2 fumbles, 6.0 Y/A 41.8 Rate

2024/3 vs CHI 10/20 (.500) 167 yds, 0 TD, 2 INT, 1 sack, 8 rush 24 yds 0 TD, 0 fumbles 8.4 Y/A 39.0 Rate

 

It's said that the two biggest indicators for a QB is their completion percentage and their yards per attempt.

Although the sample size is too small to make any solid analysis, you could say that his earlier games had better completion percentage, but his later games had better yards per attempt.

I think overall he's struggling this year, probably because he's spent his offseason rehabbing rather than improving.  He's playing wild, relying on athleticism rather than on mechanics.  Let's hope he settles down and finds some balance.

 

[GoColts8818]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

The miss to Pittman may be the worst throw I've ever seen.   Having said that,  he needs to keep playing.   Pulling him for Flacco won't help the future 

I agree and like you I was here to watch Curtis Painter and Scott Tolizen try to play QB so that’s saying something.

[Solid84]

Josh Allen's first 7 games:

 

@Ravens: Passing: 6/15 - 74 yards - 0/0 TD/Int - 3 Sacks - Rushing: 4 attempts for 26 yards - 0/0 TD/FUM 

Chargers: Passing: 18/33 - 245 yards - 1/2 TD/Int - 5 Sacks - Rushing: 8 attempts for 32 yards - 0/0 TD/FUM 

@Vikings: Passing: 15/22 - 196 yards - 1/0 TD/Int - 3 Sacks - Rushing: 10 attempts for 39 yards - 2/3 TD/FUM 

@Packers: Passing: 16/33 - 151 yards - 0/2 TD/Int - 7 Sacks - Rushing: 5 attempts for 19 yards - 0/1 TD/FUM 

Titans: Passing: 10/19 - 82 yards - 0/1 TD/Int - 1 Sacks - Rushing: 4 attempts for 19 yards - 1/0 TD/FUM 

@Texans: Passing: 10/17 - 84 yards - 0/0 TD/Int - 2 Sacks - Rushing: 4 attempts for 20 yards - 0/0 TD/FUM 

Jaguars: Passing: 8/19 - 160 yards - 1/0 TD/Int - 0 Sacks - Rushing: 13 attempts for 99 yards - 1/1 TD/FUM 

 

Total: Passing: 83/158 (52.5%) - 992 yards (6.28 YPA) - 3/5 TD/Int - 21 Sacks - Rushing: 48 attempts for 254 yards (5.29 YPC) - 4/5 TD/Fum

 

 

AR's first 7 games:

 

Jaguars: Passing: 24/37 - 223 yards - 1/1 TD/Int - 4 Sacks - Rushing: 10 attempts for 40 yards - 1/0 TD/FUM 

@Texans: Passing: 6/10 - 56 yards - 0/0 TD/Int - 0 Sacks - Rushing: 3 attempts for 35 yards - 2/0 TD/FUM 

Rams: Passing: 11/25 - 200 yards - 2/0 TD/Int - 2 Sacks - Rushing: 10 attempts for 56 yards - 1/2 TD/FUM 

Titans: Passing: 9/12 - 98 yards - 0/0 TD/Int - 1 Sacks - Rushing: 2 attempts for 5 yards - 0/1 TD/FUM 

Texans: Passing: 9/19 - 212 yards - 2/1 TD/Int - 2 Sacks - Rushing: 6 attempts for 56 yards - 1/0 TD/FUM 

@Packers: Passing: 17/34 - 204 yards - 1/3 TD/Int - 1 Sacks - Rushing: 4 attempts for 37 yards - 0/2 TD/FUM 

Bears: Passing: 10/20 - 167 yards - 0/2 TD/Int - 1 Sacks - Rushing: 8 attempts for 24 yards - 0/0 TD/FUM 

 

Total: Passing: 86/157 (54.8%) - 1,160 yards (7.39 YPA) - 6/7 TD/Int - 11 Sacks - Rushing: 43 attempts for 253 yards (5.88 YPC)- 5/5 TD/Fum

 

Not trying to make AR out to be Allen. I just want to point out that Allen had to go through EXACTLY the same thing AR is going through right now and if the Bills had given up they'd have lost out on a franchise QB.