2023 Qb based on Ballard and Steichen's history

[Moosejawcolt]

We are all throwing around who we think they will draft, what qb we want them to draft and what the media is saying. However,  let's do something more interesting. Based on Ballard's  previous drafting of players, free agency acquisitions  at  the qb  position and both Ballard and Steichen's comments on qbs. Who do u think the Colts will draft?  Now if u pick a guy, you must justify it using this criteria not what u have heard and/or what u want. U r Ballard and Steichen and u r staying true to your boards.  Making this pick is totally on what u observed from Ballard and Steichen's history. 

 

Young-nope. He is just to small and Ballard loves measureables and don't c him drafting a qb this small. The  qbs that have been collected in free agency by Ballard  are the  prototypical size.

 

Richardson-nope. Poor accuracy . Steichen covets accuracy. I think Hurts was 70% coming out of college. To raw. His comments about throwing his wrs under the bus bothered me. 

 

Stroud-maybe. He is deadly accurate

 The one thing that bothers me is he is not good under pressure and Ballard and Steichen commented on this. I saw him in a game last year against I think was Indiana. They played a NFL style D and he looked horrible.

 

Levi-nope-His comments at the combine really bothered me. His cannon arm comments and having a very talented arm came across as very insecure.  He doesntvshow good pocket presence.Ballard and Reich said the guy needs to be a leader of men.

 

Hooker- Yes. Very accurate and the right size. He to me oozes confidence and leadership. He has all the assets that Ballard and Steichen value and could maybe gotten with a 2nd round pick or sneak back into the 1st round. 

Now I have taken my pick in the eyes of Ballard and Reich based on history.  Please don't say what u like. If u make the pick justify it by Ballard and Stiechen'a actions. 

 

 

 

[jbaron04]

25 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

We are all throwing around who we think they will draft, what qb we want them to draft and what the media is saying. However,  let's do something more interesting. Based on Ballard's  previous drafting of players, free agency acquisitions  at  the qb  position and both Ballard and Steichen's comments on qbs. Who do u think the Colts will draft?  Now if u pick a guy, you must justify it using this criteria not what u have heard and/or what u want. U r Ballard and Steichen and u r staying true to your boards.  Making this pick is totally on what u observed from Ballard and Steichen's history. 

 

Young-nope. He is just to small and Ballard loves measureables and don't c him drafting a qb this small. The  qbs that have been collected in free agency by Ballard  are the  prototypical size.

 

Richardson-nope. Poor accuracy . Steichen covets accuracy. I think Hurts was 70% coming out of college. To raw. His comments about throwing his wrs under the bus bothered me. 

 

Stroud-maybe. He is deadly accurate

 The one thing that bothers me is he is not good under pressure and Ballard and Steichen commented on this. I saw him in a game last year against I think was Indiana. They played a NFL style D and he looked horrible.

 

Levi-nope-His comments at the combine really bothered me. His cannon arm comments and having a very talented arm came across as very insecure.  He doesntvshow good pocket presence.Ballard and Reich said the guy needs to be a leader of men.

 

Hooker- Yes. Very accurate and the right size. He to me oozes confidence and leadership. He has all the assets that Ballard and Steichen value and could maybe gotten with a 2nd round pick or sneak back into the 1st round. 

Now I have taken my pick in the eyes of Ballard and Reich based on history.  Please don't say what u like. If u make the pick justify it by Ballard and Stiechen'a actions. 

 

 

 

He 25-26 years old 

[Fluke_33]

7 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:

He 25-26 years old 

I was thinking about hooker being a perfect fit except for injury and age.   As far as age goes I’d rather have a good qb for 10 years than a mediocre one for 15.  If you think he’s the one then age isn’t that big an issue 

[Moosejawcolt]

So would u rather trade up or stay at 4 and pick your the guy and have him possibly bust out or pick a 25 year old in the bottom of the 1st and or top of the second and become your franchise qb for next 10 years?? If u miss on the 1st overall and or 4th overall pick that's a killer. To miss out on a 2nd round pick wont hurt that much. Plus u can get that stud Dend at 4. I  think because of his injury and age he  can be gotten some what cheap. I read one evaluator as having him number 3. When he states all of his positives. I thought man that is thr guy Ballard and Steichen would gravitate towards.

[chad72]

Ballard was scout with Bears when they drafted Rex Grossman out of Florida with 57% completion rate in junior year in 2003 draft. I know it’s eons ago but guess what Ballard has never drafted a QB in Round 1 in his history, so no history as GM.
 

Steichen has worked with all styles of QBs and has clearly said that he will adapt around the QB no matter who he is. So even if the QB doesn’t meet all their criteria stated in public (I wouldn’t read too much into it), they could go with Stroud or Richardson based off how they feel they can work with their flaws.

 

 

[AwesomeAustin]

Hooker may struggle adjusting to the NFL. I believe Heupel’s offense at UT is a one read system. Stare down the main route and if it’s covered you immediately throw to the second option. I’m a die hard Vols fan but I don’t see Hooker being a franchise QB. I would be all for finding out with a 3rd or 4th but not before.

 

I think Stroud fits these parameters the best of the 5 QBs.  I believe he has the measurables and accuracy both coach and GM want.  
 

My pick is still Levis. I think he has a higher ceiling than Stroud and his floor is close enough it’s worth it.  

[Dingus McGirt]

38 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:

He 25-26 years old 

 

12 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

So would u rather trade up or stay at 4 and pick your the guy and have him possibly bust out or pick a 25 year old in the bottom of the 1st and or top of the second and become your franchise qb for next 10 years?? If u miss on the 1st overall and or 4th overall pick that's a killer. To miss out on a 2nd round pick wont hurt that much. Plus u can get that stud Dend at 4. I  think because of his injury and age he  can be gotten some what cheap. I read one evaluator as having him number 3. When he states all of his positives. I thought man that is thr guy Ballard and Steichen would gravitate towards.

And he looks his recovery/rehab have taken a lot of size/muscle from his frame.

[coltsfanej]

I really feel like it could be any of the top four. But for sake of the task at hand…

Ballard loves RAS studs and seems to always target elite athletes. Just look at the guys from last years draft. 

Shane just took a below average passer with above average athleticism and developed him into a Super Bowl QB.

 

Both have made comments lately saying size doesn’t matter. If they really believe that, why would they announce that to everyone? The only QB that would be in reference to is Bryce, so why make people think you’re ok with the little guy unless you want to throw them off of the fact that you really want the 6’4” 240lb monster athlete.   
 

so based on the track record of the traits Ballard covets, Shane’s recent success with a mobile QB, and their comments on QB size, I say Anthony AR15 Richardson. 
 

This does not mean it is who I want, but does seem to be the best pattern fit to me. 

[Moosejawcolt]

7 minutes ago, coltsfanej said:

I really feel like it could be any of the top four. But for sake of the task at hand…

Ballard loves RAS studs and seems to always target elite athletes. Just look at the guys from last years draft. 

Shane just took a below average passer with above average athleticism and developed him into a Super Bowl QB.

 

Both have made comments lately saying size doesn’t matter. If they really believe that, why would they announce that to everyone? The only QB that would be in reference to is Bryce, so why make people think you’re ok with the little guy unless you want to throw them off of the fact that you really want the 6’4” 240lb monster athlete.   
 

so based on the track record of the traits Ballard covets, Shane’s recent success with a mobile QB, and their comments on QB size, I say Anthony AR15 Richardson. 
 

This does not mean it is who I want, but does seem to be the best pattern fit to me. 

How can u say A15 when they say accuracy is  number 1? He is number one for RAS but bottom for accuracy. That's u wanting him and not listening to them. They may pick him which would go against what they have done historically and what they covet.

[chad72]

12 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

How can u say A15 when they say accuracy is  number 1? He is number one for RAS but bottom for accuracy. That's u wanting him and not listening to them. They may pick him which would go against what they have done historically and what they covet.

 

What have they done historically? Ballard has never drafted a QB in Round 1 as GM, period. He has drafted high RAS players, period, sometimes without lots of college production. Steichen has worked with QBs of all kinds, that is truly what he has done and adapted to every QB presented to him as OC, it is not what he has said, it is what he has done.

 

This is you creating a false premise of a thread, trying to push a player you covet and discount others by reading way too much into what Ballard says, when your history suggests you despise his roster construction and don't care two hoots about what he says. Now you are telling me you all of a sudden are going to hold yourself and others to what Ballard said in public as gospel when they very well could be blowing smoke. Oh, the irony!!! 

 

Who doesn't want a QB with accuracy? Who doesn't want a QB that makes good reads? Who doesn't want a QB that handles pressure well? Just because they want it, it doesn't mean they are going to get all of it in one package or expecting to get it in one QB.

[Jackie Daytona]

1 hour ago, Moosejawcolt said:

We are all throwing around who we think they will draft, what qb we want them to draft and what the media is saying. However,  let's do something more interesting. 

 

 

 

They better be picking a QB based on their future, not their past lol

[jimmy g]

I’d trade our 4 to Raiders, Atlanta, or Carolina, and take Hooker at 7,8,or 9.  I doubt he falls below 10?

 

As to what Ballard NORMALLY wants, I’d say it’s Levis all the way.

[Stephen]

1 hour ago, Moosejawcolt said:

We are all throwing around who we think they will draft, what qb we want them to draft and what the media is saying. However,  let's do something more interesting. Based on Ballard's  previous drafting of players, free agency acquisitions  at  the qb  position and both Ballard and Steichen's comments on qbs. Who do u think the Colts will draft?  Now if u pick a guy, you must justify it using this criteria not what u have heard and/or what u want. U r Ballard and Steichen and u r staying true to your boards.  Making this pick is totally on what u observed from Ballard and Steichen's history. 

 

Young-nope. He is just to small and Ballard loves measureables and don't c him drafting a qb this small. The  qbs that have been collected in free agency by Ballard  are the  prototypical size.

 

Richardson-nope. Poor accuracy . Steichen covets accuracy. I think Hurts was 70% coming out of college. To raw. His comments about throwing his wrs under the bus bothered me. 

 

Stroud-maybe. He is deadly accurate

 The one thing that bothers me is he is not good under pressure and Ballard and Steichen commented on this. I saw him in a game last year against I think was Indiana. They played a NFL style D and he looked horrible.

 

Levi-nope-His comments at the combine really bothered me. His cannon arm comments and having a very talented arm came across as very insecure.  He doesntvshow good pocket presence.Ballard and Reich said the guy needs to be a leader of men.

 

Hooker- Yes. Very accurate and the right size. He to me oozes confidence and leadership. He has all the assets that Ballard and Steichen value and could maybe gotten with a 2nd round pick or sneak back into the 1st round. 

Now I have taken my pick in the eyes of Ballard and Reich based on history.  Please don't say what u like. If u make the pick justify it by Ballard and Stiechen'a actions. 

 

 

 

If he is there Richardson will be the pick. Steichen says he wants to throw to score. RICHARDSON can do that. Best deep ball qb in the draft. Richardson is extremely accurate on playaction as well. Richardson has escapability. Steichen also said mechanics are fixable. Richardsons short accuracy are due to mechanics issures.

[Gigc]

1 hour ago, Moosejawcolt said:

We are all throwing around who we think they will draft, what qb we want them to draft and what the media is saying. However,  let's do something more interesting. Based on Ballard's  previous drafting of players, free agency acquisitions  at  the qb  position and both Ballard and Steichen's comments on qbs. Who do u think the Colts will draft?  Now if u pick a guy, you must justify it using this criteria not what u have heard and/or what u want. U r Ballard and Steichen and u r staying true to your boards.  Making this pick is totally on what u observed from Ballard and Steichen's history. 

 

Young-nope. He is just to small and Ballard loves measureables and don't c him drafting a qb this small. The  qbs that have been collected in free agency by Ballard  are the  prototypical size.

 

Richardson-nope. Poor accuracy . Steichen covets accuracy. I think Hurts was 70% coming out of college. To raw. His comments about throwing his wrs under the bus bothered me. 

 

Stroud-maybe. He is deadly accurate

 The one thing that bothers me is he is not good under pressure and Ballard and Steichen commented on this. I saw him in a game last year against I think was Indiana. They played a NFL style D and he looked horrible.

 

Levi-nope-His comments at the combine really bothered me. His cannon arm comments and having a very talented arm came across as very insecure.  He doesntvshow good pocket presence.Ballard and Reich said the guy needs to be a leader of men.

 

Hooker- Yes. Very accurate and the right size. He to me oozes confidence and leadership. He has all the assets that Ballard and Steichen value and could maybe gotten with a 2nd round pick or sneak back into the 1st round. 

Now I have taken my pick in the eyes of Ballard and Reich based on history.  Please don't say what u like. If u make the pick justify it by Ballard and Stiechen'a actions. 

 

 

 

C'mon man. You tart this by saying you're making a choice based on Ballard and Steichen's history. THEN you rule out Levis because his comments-demeanor rubbed YOU the wrong way...

[Jackie Daytona]

1 hour ago, Moosejawcolt said:

 

 

Young-nope. He is just to small and Ballard loves measureables and don't c him drafting a qb this small. The  qbs that have been collected in free agency by Ballard  are the  prototypical size.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could see Hooker I suppose.

 

Off topic.... Why do football fans always seem to use the word prototype when they mean archetype?

 

[Stephen]

47 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Hooker may struggle adjusting to the NFL. I believe Heupel’s offense at UT is a one read system. Stare down the main route and if it’s covered you immediately throw to the second option. I’m a die hard Vols fan but I don’t see Hooker being a franchise QB. I would be all for finding out with a 3rd or 4th but not before.

 

I think Stroud fits these parameters the best of the 5 QBs.  I believe he has the measurables and accuracy both coach and GM want.  
 

My pick is still Levis. I think he has a higher ceiling than Stroud and his floor is close enough it’s worth it.  

Stroud is smooth and accurate but we might have to trade up for him

[Jackie Daytona]

11 minutes ago, Stephen said:

If he is there Richardson will be the pick. Steichen says he wants to throw to score. RICHARDSON can do that. Best deep ball qb in the draft. Richardson is extremely accurate on playaction as well. Richardson has escapability. Steichen also said mechanics are fixable. Richardsons short accuracy are due to mechanics issures.

He's not extremely accurate at anything.

 

Even after all the mind blowing Mike Mamula workout numbers, I'm almost more dazed by the fact his low interception rate, and the inflated success rate on PA you reference.....are due in much larger part than normal, to the fact that he misses so badly, and so consistently.....like....5-8 yards off target often.... That interceptions are Impossible, let alone  receptions.

[Patrick Miller]

1 hour ago, jbaron04 said:

He 25-26 years old 

Not that I want the colts to take hooker but is it really that big of a deal that he’s 25? I mean…. Looking at the big picture…. Say he plays 7-10 years….. who cares that he’s 25?

[Jackie Daytona]

3 minutes ago, Patrick Miller said:

Not that I want the colts to take hooker but is it really that big of a deal that he’s 25? I mean…. Looking at the big picture…. Say he plays 7-10 years….. who cares that he’s 25?

Yeah, it is kind of.  I get what you're saying timeline wise, but he's pretty much WysiWyg, that doesn't excite a lot of people ....and he definitely has issues he hasn't improved in six years of college ball, kinda a red flag for some people.  I wouldn't hate it though.... I just don't think it's gonna hapoen

[Stephen]

9 minutes ago, Jackie Daytona said:

He's not extremely accurate at anything

He is also the best at avoiding sacks and did not have a qb coach at florida.

[coltsfanej]

20 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

How can u say A15 when they say accuracy is  number 1? He is number one for RAS but bottom for accuracy. That's u wanting him and not listening to them. They may pick him which would go against what they have done historically and what they covet.

I can say it based on the reasonings I gave. I won’t be upset if you disagree. 

 

I am listening to them, and because I don’t expect them to telegraph who they want to the world, I don’t believe their target to be obvious based on their words.
 

 He’s not even the QB I want. Though he is in my top 4…

[Jackie Daytona]

3 minutes ago, Stephen said:

He is also the best at avoiding sacks and did not have a qb coach at florida.

 Best at avoiding sacks? Ok. He's also one of the very worst under pressure..... 

[compuls1v3]

21 minutes ago, Jackie Daytona said:

He's not extremely accurate at anything.

 

Even after all the mind blowing Mike Mamula workout numbers, I'm almost more dazed by the fact his low interception rate, and the inflated success rate on PA you reference.....are due in much larger part than normal, to the fact that he misses so badly, and so consistently.....like....5-8 yards off target often.... That interceptions are Impossible, let alone  receptions.

Good point about the accuracy.  NOBODY has a chance.

[Stephen]

1 hour ago, Jackie Daytona said:

 Best at avoiding sacks? Ok. He's also one of the very worst under pressure..... 

He is also the qb with the least experience so he will only get better

[jbaron04]

3 hours ago, Fluke_33 said:

I was thinking about hooker being a perfect fit except for injury and age.   As far as age goes I’d rather have a good qb for 10 years than a mediocre one for 15.  If you think he’s the one then age isn’t that big an issue 

The thing is he is 25 years old and then other kids is 21 after 4 years of NFL experience they would be seasoned pros. Hooker at 25 is a grown grown man playing with 18-21 year kids. Think Brandon Weedon. Now if we wasn’t picking top 4 I would be all for it 

[jbaron04]

3 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

So would u rather trade up or stay at 4 and pick your the guy and have him possibly bust out or pick a 25 year old in the bottom of the 1st and or top of the second and become your franchise qb for next 10 years?? If u miss on the 1st overall and or 4th overall pick that's a killer. To miss out on a 2nd round pick wont hurt that much. Plus u can get that stud Dend at 4. I  think because of his injury and age he  can be gotten some what cheap. I read one evaluator as having him number 3. When he states all of his positives. I thought man that is thr guy Ballard and Steichen would gravitate towards.

I think Stroud is the one I really want deep down inside. But I’m content to stay at 4 unless someone trades up to 1 picks stroud , Texans take young then I would trade up to 3 and get Richardson but I would be comfortable with any of the 3 (no levis) and we would have to implement a different plan depending on which one we got. 

[jbaron04]

2 hours ago, Patrick Miller said:

Not that I want the colts to take hooker but is it really that big of a deal that he’s 25? I mean…. Looking at the big picture…. Say he plays 7-10 years….. who cares that he’s 25?

Listen it is a big deal. He would be 26 pushing 27 years old by the time he played with litttle to no experience. You have all the top QBs who are In There prime right now I would rather have a 21-22 year old who can take his lumps but get better each year and by the time he is 25-26 he is a seasoned vet and maholmes and the lot would be in there early to mid 30s. Vs a guy who is the same age as these seasoned players but learning on the job. Just look at this

 

Trevor Lawrence - 23 years old

Joe Burrow - 26 years old

Josh Allen - 26 years old

Patrick Mahomes - 27 years old

Justin Herbert, 24 years old

Tua Tagovailoa, 24 years old

lamar Jackson - 26 years old

desean watson - 27 years old 

 

This is just the AFC , now we talking about a 25-26 year old rookie by the time he take the field 

 

 

[ProblChld32]

6 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

We are all throwing around who we think they will draft, what qb we want them to draft and what the media is saying. However,  let's do something more interesting. Based on Ballard's  previous drafting of players, free agency acquisitions  at  the qb  position and both Ballard and Steichen's comments on qbs. Who do u think the Colts will draft?  Now if u pick a guy, you must justify it using this criteria not what u have heard and/or what u want. U r Ballard and Steichen and u r staying true to your boards.  Making this pick is totally on what u observed from Ballard and Steichen's history. 

 

Young-nope. He is just to small and Ballard loves measureables and don't c him drafting a qb this small. The  qbs that have been collected in free agency by Ballard  are the  prototypical size.

 

Richardson-nope. Poor accuracy . Steichen covets accuracy. I think Hurts was 70% coming out of college. To raw. His comments about throwing his wrs under the bus bothered me. 

 

Stroud-maybe. He is deadly accurate

 The one thing that bothers me is he is not good under pressure and Ballard and Steichen commented on this. I saw him in a game last year against I think was Indiana. They played a NFL style D and he looked horrible.

 

Levi-nope-His comments at the combine really bothered me. His cannon arm comments and having a very talented arm came across as very insecure.  He doesntvshow good pocket presence.Ballard and Reich said the guy needs to be a leader of men.

 

Hooker- Yes. Very accurate and the right size. He to me oozes confidence and leadership. He has all the assets that Ballard and Steichen value and could maybe gotten with a 2nd round pick or sneak back into the 1st round. 

Now I have taken my pick in the eyes of Ballard and Reich based on history.  Please don't say what u like. If u make the pick justify it by Ballard and Stiechen'a actions. 

 

 

 

This literally made zero sense , and kinda contradictory lol

[Patrick Miller]

4 hours ago, jbaron04 said:

Listen it is a big deal. He would be 26 pushing 27 years old by the time he played with litttle to no experience. You have all the top QBs who are In There prime right now I would rather have a 21-22 year old who can take his lumps but get better each year and by the time he is 25-26 he is a seasoned vet and maholmes and the lot would be in there early to mid 30s. Vs a guy who is the same age as these seasoned players but learning on the job. Just look at this

 

Trevor Lawrence - 23 years old

Joe Burrow - 26 years old

Josh Allen - 26 years old

Patrick Mahomes - 27 years old

Justin Herbert, 24 years old

Tua Tagovailoa, 24 years old

lamar Jackson - 26 years old

desean watson - 27 years old 

 

This is just the AFC , now we talking about a 25-26 year old rookie by the time he take the field 

 

 

I’d Be okay with that! Say he plays until he’s 36-38 . That’s plenty of time to win a championship. I can’t see passing up a guy just because he’s a couple years older than the average rookie. Especially if he’s talented enough to win you a superbowl.

[Defjamz26]

If you want to connect dots based on the QBs they both had them you have do do it fairly 

 

Steichen:

 

Rivers

-Big arm

-Not mobile

-Gun slinger

 

Herbert:

-Big arm

-Athletic

-Gun slinger

 

Hurts

-Decent Arm

-Elite athlete

 

Ballard (Going to go just on who he drafted/signed since he’s a GM)

 

Brissett

-size

-Big arm

-Not mobile

 

Jacob Eason

-Big arm

-Not Mobile

-Size

 

Sam Ehlinger

-Mobile

-Decent arm

 

Ryan

-Accurate

-below average arm

-Not mobile

 

They’ve also both talked openly about the importance of accuracy, and we know how much character matters. But based on all that I would say the next QB will need to have

 

-Good size

-Strong arm

-Athleticism

-Leadership

-Accuracy

 

When you put that all together, the QB that mostly matches that profile would be Will Levis. Also it should be noted that from a physical standpoint, Levis is the QB that most closely models Andrew Luck. Their builds and frames are almost identical and both have that cannon arm.

 

Throughout the whole process my thoughts have been that it’s either Levis or  Stroud. I stand by that. I think either can succeed in Steichen’s offense.

[Fluke_33]

53 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

If you want to connect dots based on the QBs they both had them you have do do it fairly 

 

Steichen:

 

Rivers

-Big arm

-Not mobile

-Gun slinger

 

Herbert:

-Big arm

-Athletic

-Gun slinger

 

Hurts

-Decent Arm

-Elite athlete

 

Ballard (Going to go just on who he drafted/signed since he’s a GM)

 

Brissett

-size

-Big arm

-Not mobile

 

Jacob Eason

-Big arm

-Not Mobile

-Size

 

Sam Ehlinger

-Mobile

-Decent arm

 

Ryan

-Accurate

-below average arm

-Not mobile

 

They’ve also both talked openly about the importance of accuracy, and we know how much character matters. But based on all that I would say the next QB will need to have

 

-Good size

-Strong arm

-Athleticism

-Leadership

-Accuracy

 

When you put that all together, the QB that mostly matches that profile would be Will Levis. Also it should be noted that from a physical standpoint, Levis is the QB that most closely models Andrew Luck. Their builds and frames are almost identical and both have that cannon arm.

 

Throughout the whole process my thoughts have been that it’s either Levis or  Stroud. I stand by that. I think either can succeed in Steichen’s offense.

Pretty good assessment.  I don't think Rivers ever had a big arm, as in throwing strength.  His processing, reading defenses, and anticipation were elite.

Ryan had a big arm coming out of college, if i remember correctly but he also had above average in processing, reading D and anticipation albeit much lower than rivers but still above average.

 

Size, accuracy, leadership, and processing speed (over arm strength). i think are the major traits for both Steich and Ballard.

[bluephantom87]

10 hours ago, jbaron04 said:

Listen it is a big deal. He would be 26 pushing 27 years old by the time he played with litttle to no experience. You have all the top QBs who are In There prime right now I would rather have a 21-22 year old who can take his lumps but get better each year and by the time he is 25-26 he is a seasoned vet and maholmes and the lot would be in there early to mid 30s. Vs a guy who is the same age as these seasoned players but learning on the job. Just look at this

 

Trevor Lawrence - 23 years old

Joe Burrow - 26 years old

Josh Allen - 26 years old

Patrick Mahomes - 27 years old

Justin Herbert, 24 years old

Tua Tagovailoa, 24 years old

lamar Jackson - 26 years old

desean watson - 27 years old 

 

This is just the AFC , now we talking about a 25-26 year old rookie by the time he take the field 

 

 

 

I agree it does matter. That first guy on your list is in OUR division at age 23. The Texans will get one of the top (even younger) qbs and they also reside in our division. Ballard's conservative and calculated approach in an aggressive league has left us behind the eight ball. While other gms have targeted and MOVED up to snag their young franchise guy as qb1. Many did so DURING Ballard's tenure as Colts gm while we went the recycle route after Luck's retirement YEARS ago. That afc list didn't happen by accident. Outside the overall number one picks teams made the moves that we CHOSE not to.

 

Hooker is mature and owns leadership qualities as an older qb but Hooker is also coming off a major injury. He reminds me a lot of Brissett (minus the big arm) but Hooker has better talent. Now if it came down between Hooker and Levis I go Hooker. Levis only got in that top 4 BECAUSE Hooker got hurt. Remember Hooker was in the Heisman conversation early on. Levis IMO is too erratic with his play and his decision making is horrible at times. Yes he has an arm but his poise, pocket awareness and upside are questionable after watching many of his college games. I think Wentz is more talented but they share that SAME bad decision making quirk at the worst possible moment. Levis opponents dropped a lot of potential INTs to go along with the ones that he actually accumulated. I just don’t see the SPECIAL in Levis needed for this team but I'm sure Ballard likes his SIZE if nothing else.

 

I think Young is SPECIAL but small. You see what Brees (as a smaller qb) accomplished in the NFL finishing as an all time great and he wasn't on Young's level coming out so it's possible for him to succeed. Stroud is a bigger version of Young and is 1a talent wise behind him. Stroud opened a lot of eyes against that loaded Georgia defense in which he showed his mobility and athleticism that many thought he didn’t have.

 

ESPN spoke on Richardson after the combine about his mid 50s passing % and concluded that will get better after ONLY 13 starts based on the fact that Florida threw a lot of deep balls which is not a high % passing attack, that their receivers had multiple drops and that Richardson had a lot of throw aways when nothing was available. With two more completions per game they said he would've been in the 60s in comparison to Josh Allen's 56% completion rate coming out. Many now feel that with proper coaching Richardson can be a generational type. By all accounts he blew everyone away with his football IQ and in person interviews at the combine. I believe Steichen would take any one of the top 3 qbs and be satisfied. I just don’t believe Steichen or Ballard would like Levis DECISION MAKING or intangibles which is HUGE for a qb. Ballard experienced first hand the erractic play of Wentz. (which followed in Wash) Also I haven't heard too often that Levis is a leader. Not saying that he isn't but find it strange to hear that narrative missing on a regular. Whoever the qb is Irsay must sign off.

[runthepost]

14 hours ago, jimmy g said:

I’d trade our 4 to Raiders, Atlanta, or Carolina, and take Hooker at 7,8,or 9.  I doubt he falls below 10?

 

As to what Ballard NORMALLY wants, I’d say it’s Levis all the way.

Hooker is going round 2-3

[Moosejawcolt]

51 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

Pretty good assessment.  I don't think Rivers ever had a big arm, as in throwing strength.  His processing, reading defenses, and anticipation were elite.

Ryan had a big arm coming out of college, if i remember correctly but he also had above average in processing, reading D and anticipation albeit much lower than rivers but still above average.

 

Size, accuracy, leadership, and processing speed (over arm strength). i think are the major traits for both Steich and Ballard.

Ryan never had a big arm and that was a knock on him coming out.

[bluephantom87]

15 hours ago, jimmy g said:

I’d trade our 4 to Raiders, Atlanta, or Carolina, and take Hooker at 7,8,or 9.  I doubt he falls below 10?

 

As to what Ballard NORMALLY wants, I’d say it’s Levis all the way.

 

Well I hope it's more of what Steichen wants then to helm HIS offense.

[NewColtsFan]

16 hours ago, jimmy g said:

I’d trade our 4 to Raiders, Atlanta, or Carolina, and take Hooker at 7,8,or 9.  I doubt he falls below 10?

 

As to what Ballard NORMALLY wants, I’d say it’s Levis all the way.

Because he’s 25, and coming off a knee surgery,  Hooker is not expected to be drafted until round 2 or 3.   

[AKB]

4 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

If you want to connect dots based on the QBs they both had them you have do do it fairly 

 

Steichen:

 

Rivers

-Big arm

-Not mobile

-Gun slinger

 

Herbert:

-Big arm

-Athletic

-Gun slinger

 

Hurts

-Decent Arm

-Elite athlete

 

Ballard (Going to go just on who he drafted/signed since he’s a GM)

 

Brissett

-size

-Big arm

-Not mobile

 

Jacob Eason

-Big arm

-Not Mobile

-Size

 

Sam Ehlinger

-Mobile

-Decent arm

 

Ryan

-Accurate

-below average arm

-Not mobile

 

They’ve also both talked openly about the importance of accuracy, and we know how much character matters. But based on all that I would say the next QB will need to have

 

-Good size

-Strong arm

-Athleticism

-Leadership

-Accuracy

 

When you put that all together, the QB that mostly matches that profile would be Will Levis. Also it should be noted that from a physical standpoint, Levis is the QB that most closely models Andrew Luck. Their builds and frames are almost identical and both have that cannon arm.

 

Throughout the whole process my thoughts have been that it’s either Levis or  Stroud. I stand by that. I think either can succeed in Steichen’s offense.

yeah but Levis is nothing like Luck in between the ears.

 

That's the concerning part.

 

and he likes mayo in his coffee.

[jbaron04]

9 hours ago, Patrick Miller said:

I’d Be okay with that! Say he plays until he’s 36-38 . That’s plenty of time to win a championship. I can’t see passing up a guy just because he’s a couple years older than the average rookie. Especially if he’s talented enough to win you a superbowl.

Naw man , you have to take the fact that he been in college for 5-6 years and he is an -average NFL career (4 years) older than some of the rookies. This is Brandon weedon 2.0 grown man playing against 18-20 years old cooking them we not ready to win now so we don’t want a guy already in the twilight of his career and he a rookie 

[cjwhiskers]

It's #1 Stroud or #2 Levis IMO. Both put us in the best position to get some wins now and both have some room to grow without being a complete project. 

 

It wouldn't honestly surprise me to see Ballard grab someone like Duggan or Bennett though.

[jbaron04]

3 hours ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

I agree it does matter. That first guy on your list is in OUR division at age 23. The Texans will get one of the top (even younger) qbs and they also reside in our division. Ballard's conservative and calculated approach in an aggressive league has left us behind the eight ball. While other gms have targeted and MOVED up to snag their young franchise guy as qb1. Many did so DURING Ballard's tenure as Colts gm while we went the recycle route after Luck's retirement YEARS ago. That afc list didn't happen by accident. Outside the overall number one picks teams made the moves that we CHOSE not to.

 

Hooker is mature and owns leadership qualities as an older qb but Hooker is also coming off a major injury. He reminds me a lot of Brissett (minus the big arm) but Hooker has better talent. Now if it came down between Hooker and Levis I go Hooker. Levis only got in that top 4 BECAUSE Hooker got hurt. Remember Hooker was in the Heisman conversation early on. Levis IMO is too erratic with his play and his decision making is horrible at times. Yes he has an arm but his poise, pocket awareness and upside are questionable after watching many of his college games. I think Wentz is more talented but they share that SAME bad decision making quirk at the worst possible moment. Levis opponents dropped a lot of potential INTs to go along with the ones that he actually accumulated. I just don’t see the SPECIAL in Levis needed for this team but I'm sure Ballard likes his SIZE if nothing else.

 

I think Young is SPECIAL but small. You see what Brees (as a smaller qb) accomplished in the NFL finishing as an all time great and he wasn't on Young's level coming out so it's possible for him to succeed. Stroud is a bigger version of Young and is 1a talent wise behind him. Stroud opened a lot of eyes against that loaded Georgia defense in which he showed his mobility and athleticism that many thought he didn’t have.

 

ESPN spoke on Richardson after the combine about his mid 50s passing % and concluded that will get better after ONLY 13 starts based on the fact that Florida threw a lot of deep balls which is not a high % passing attack, that their receivers had multiple drops and that Richardson had a lot of throw aways when nothing was available. With two more completions per game they said he would've been in the 60s in comparison to Josh Allen's 56% completion rate coming out. Many now feel that with proper coaching Richardson can be a generational type. By all accounts he blew everyone away with his football IQ and in person interviews at the combine. I believe Steichen would take any one of the top 3 qbs and be satisfied. I just don’t believe Steichen or Ballard would like Levis DECISION MAKING or intangibles which is HUGE for a qb. Ballard experienced first hand the erractic play of Wentz. (which followed in Wash) Also I haven't heard too often that Levis is a leader. Not saying that he isn't but find it strange to hear that narrative missing on a regular. Whoever the qb is Irsay must sign off.

Great write up I agree , Levis is absolutely no go in my book. I see the same things you said. If by some chance young , Richardson & strouds is gone I would draft best pass rusher and roll the dice on hooker in the 2nd. Knowing that we have some studs coming up next year also