Send this to Jeff Saturday - Matt Ryan has converted only twice in his career on 2 pt. conversions

[chad72]

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/matt-ryan-two-point-conversions-history

 

This is an ALARMING stat. In all the years Matt Ryan has played, he has ONLY 2 two point conversions his ENTIRE CAREER.

 

At first I thought it couldn’t be true till I looked it up. That’s something that analytics might be making a compelling argument for.

[GoColts8818]

I didn’t like either of the two point play calls.  I think they should have gone back to Taylor on a handoff on the first one after his long TD run.  I wasn’t a fan of a throw behind the line on the second one.  

[throwing BBZ]

He has a very limited number of types of throws he can throw well.

Enjoy this fun victory against McGoober.

[csmopar]

26 minutes ago, chad72 said:

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/matt-ryan-two-point-conversions-history

 

This is an ALARMING stat. In all the years Matt Ryan has played, he has ONLY 2 two point conversions his ENTIRE CAREER.

 

At first I thought it couldn’t be true till I looked it up. That’s something that analytics might be making a compelling argument for.

Wow that’s rather surprising 

[Orioles22]

I thought during the game that's a spot for Ehlinger. He can give the Colts more options on a short field.

[Indyfan4life]

Yeah, we should take the PAT unless absolutely necessary to win a game. Both 2pt conversion attempts today seemed incredibly bad. 

[chad72]

Patriots had 3 two point conversions in their SB vs Falcons. A couple of plays they need to put in their playbook.

 

1. Direct snap to RB with Brady faking like he missed the snap going over his head (great old Charlie Weis playbook play)

2. Quick throw to quick slot WR with 2 other WRs blocking (Amendola was the WR there). Same play was used in the Kurt Warner Cardinals days with Fitzgerald and another WR blocking for Boldin, with Wisenhunt as coach. Wisenhunt then brought that play along that Rivers used as a Charger vs the Ravens in an end game situation with Keenan Allen and another WR blocking for a 3rd.

Then, you have the classic red zone pick play where outside WR breaks inside for a natural pick while inside guy goes out with the throw towards outside shoulder of slot WR towards front pylon. Run by Peyton to Collie, Brady to Welker, DeShaun Watson for game winning play vs Bama to Renfrow etc.

 

 

We shall see how the playbook evolves with Frasier.

[jszfunk]

9 hours ago, Indyfan4life said:

Yeah, we should take the PAT unless absolutely necessary to win a game. Both 2pt conversion attempts today seemed incredibly bad. 

Yeah . I was scratching my head as well. I kinda see why, but was not necessary to win the game like you mentioned Was not needed. 

[John Waylon]

What an oddball stat. A career spanning that many games and he’s only converted 2?

 

Weird for sure. 

[philba101]

Here is another record from yesterday:

The love of being back in the mix was never more obvious than on a play late in the fourth quarter. Trailing 20-19, the Colts had a third-and-3 from their own 25-yard line. Ryan, whose footspeed might be slower than thick syrup from the bottle, dropped back and took off. But rather than slide as defenders closed after a short gain, he cut upfield and kept going to gain at least 20 more yards. The 39-yard run was the longest of his career and allowed him to finish the game with a higher rushing total than he had ever had in his previous 229 games.- Jim Trotter-NFL.com

[2006Coltsbestever]

11 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

He has a very limited number of types of throws he can throw well.

Enjoy this fun victory against McGoober.

"McGoober" 

[CoachLite]

There are times when a 2 point try is smart, even when it fails. After scoring a TD you find yourself with a 5 point lead. The opposing team still has to score a TD to beat you, but if the 2 point try succeeds, they must make the point after, too. Even stronger, if you find you have a 6 point lead and you make your 2 point conversion, your opponent must score a TD and a 2 point conversion just to tie.

 

Oh, the pressure it puts on a team ...

[indyagent17]

The minute I saw Saturday running at the field with two fingers in the air I thought here we go again. Once again way too early to go for two and it could’ve cost us. If we had kick the extra point instead of going for two it would’ve been a six point game after the touchdown instead of having to go back and try it again. It’s just plain stupid to be so aggressive when you don’t need to be

[Derakynn]

I was fine going for two both of those times. But those plays...awful. Gotta trust JT to run it there. Going back to what seemed to be a very similar play after the first one went terribly, especially after establishing the run game was even more head-scratching.

[Lancer1]

12 hours ago, chad72 said:

Patriots had 3 two point conversions in their SB vs Falcons. A couple of plays they need to put in their playbook.

 

1. Direct snap to RB with Brady faking like he missed the snap going over his head (great old Charlie Weis playbook play)

2. Quick throw to quick slot WR with 2 other WRs blocking (Amendola was the WR there). Same play was used in the Kurt Warner Cardinals days with Fitzgerald and another WR blocking for Boldin, with Wisenhunt as coach. Wisenhunt then brought that play along that Rivers used as a Charger vs the Ravens in an end game situation with Keenan Allen and another WR blocking for a 3rd.

Then, you have the classic red zone pick play where outside WR breaks inside for a natural pick while inside guy goes out with the throw towards outside shoulder of slot WR towards front pylon. Run by Peyton to Collie, Brady to Welker, DeShaun Watson for game winning play vs Bama to Renfrow etc.

 

 

We shall see how the playbook evolves with Frasier.

Wisenhunt used a similar play to beat the Chiefs with a 2 point conversion in 2018.

 

 

 

[Fluke_33]

13 hours ago, chad72 said:

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/matt-ryan-two-point-conversions-history

 

This is an ALARMING stat. In all the years Matt Ryan has played, he has ONLY 2 two point conversions his ENTIRE CAREER.

 

At first I thought it couldn’t be true till I looked it up. That’s something that analytics might be making a compelling argument for.

Good for us!  That just means he's due to make a bunch from now on. 

 

It's simple calculated odds. If you flip a coin and it comes out heads 99 times then on the 100th time its a lock to be tails.  

[chad72]

9 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

Good for us!  That just means he's due to make a bunch from now on. 

 

It's simple calculated odds. If you flip a coin and it comes out heads 99 times then on the 100th time its a lock to be tails.  

 

I disagree. Matt Ryan can't gun the ball into tight windows in the zones by the goal line that get considerably squeezed, not based on what he has shown me so far. We are better of coming up with creative ways like reverses, direct snaps to RB etc. for misdirection to get 2 pt. conversions. It may still count as a conversion because he is the QB but even with Julio Jones, Matt Ryan was more like Peyton Manning, rarely threw jump balls. The most he threw was a foot above the helmet on the outside shoulder of a WR for him to use his reach, so there needed to be insane talent like Julio tip toeing or clear WR separation or schemed separation against man coverage which teams rarely do by the end zone. Ds mostly play reactive pattern matching zones by the end zone if you are that close. 

 

You have more space to operate from the 5 or 10 yard line for a TD pass, but it is different by the goal line with so much traffic. We need Jelani Woods and his big body badly by the end zone this next game.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Matt looked like Lamar yesterday, he should just run a bootleg (sarcasm). I still can't get over that 40 yard run. There for a minute I thought he was gone  but the old man ran out of gas. Still a great run and comical.

[Fluke_33]

4 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

I disagree. Matt Ryan can't gun the ball into tight windows in the zones by the goal line that get considerably squeezed, not based on what he has shown me so far. We are better of coming up with creative ways like reverses, direct snaps to RB etc. for misdirection to get 2 pt. conversions. It may still count as a conversion because he is the QB but even with Julio Jones, Matt Ryan was more like Peyton Manning, rarely threw jump balls. The most he threw was a foot above the helmet on the outside shoulder of a WR for him to use his reach, so there needed to be insane talent like Julio tip toeing or clear WR separation or schemed separation against man coverage which teams rarely do by the end zone. Ds mostly play reactive pattern matching zones by the end zone if you are that close. 

 

You have more space to operate from the 5 or 10 yard line for a TD pass, but it is different by the goal line with so much traffic.

I think you meant to quote someone else, right?

[chad72]

Just now, Fluke_33 said:

I think you meant to quote someone else, right?

 

No, I don't buy into the odds thing that you quoted. I gave you the reason why. 

 

I know you were joking but I was serious. Sorry if I didn't match your levity then.  

[Fluke_33]

18 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

No, I don't buy into the odds thing that you quoted. I gave you the reason why. 

 

I know you were joking but I was serious. Sorry if I didn't match your levity then.  

Ohhh.  yeah i was not being remotely serious.  if you flip a coin and it is heads 99 times it is still 50/50 on it being heads or tails on the 100th time.

 

My joke was since he hasn't done it well then he will the next time.  i was applying that flawed logic with the coin flips.  

 

Just a stupid joke.  you don't actually disagree with me because that is not a serious position.