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37 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

Pats also signed CB Stephon Gilmore too so BB is spending the money this year in free agency, odd departure from prior years 

 

They did spend on Revis and Browner to get the man CBs to put them in the SB and win it. 

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7 minutes ago, Rick_Grimes said:

Jack Doyle earned his contract. Allen didn't. Blame Grigson is Allen kills us for the next 3 years as a Patriot. We should sign Bennett. Lol.

 

Or,  another way to look at it......

 

Credit to Grigson for finding Doyle AND  Swope....     They cost the Colts almost nothing.    No draft picks,  and a small amount of money until Doyle just signed,  and even Doyle's signing is very affordable.

 

Props to Grigson and his staff for those finds before he was shown the door....

 

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9 minutes ago, Rick_Grimes said:

Jack Doyle earned his contract. Allen didn't. Blame Grigson if Allen kills us for the next 3 years as a Patriot. We should sign Bennett. Lol.

 

Hopefully he won't. But when he drops a critical 4th down or 3rd down pass as a Patriot, trust me, I am not going to lie, I will rejoice and the joy would have nothing to do with him, it is just the d*** Patriots, I say. :) 

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People need to understand that NE does pretty well making TEs excel. Just because Allen has the ability to play well and might just do that in NE, doesn't mean he was going to do well here. 

 

We have the TE that is excelling in our system and has chemistry with our QB. 

 

Coby Fleener didn't exactly excel here either. 

 

Which is why I love Doyle so much. He's doing a fantastic job. He's in the right place at the right time in many of the situations we saw him catch the ball last year. Hopefully swoope can follow suit. 

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11 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Or,  another way to look at it......

 

Credit to Grigson for finding Doyle AND  Swope....     They cost the Colts almost nothing.    No draft picks,  and a small amount of money until Doyle just signed,  and even Doyle's signing is very affordable.

 

Props to Grigson and his staff for those finds before he was shown the door....

 

Yeah Doyle was his only true diamond in the rough find after all those years lol. It kinda sucks that the one diamond he found, he couldn't even see. Kind of ironic when you think about it.

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12 minutes ago, bababooey said:

Denzelle Good is a 7th, not saying we "hit" but he started 4 games lol

And lost his job rather quickly at that . People always hate me when I make these predictions but I'm usually more right than wrong, so I'll say Good won't even make the final 53.

 

The Allen trade wasn't just about getting rid of a terrible contract. Ballard is not settling for mediocre. Guys who are "solid " will not make the final cut. Sure you'll have your surprise late round and UDFAs who'll sneak onto the team but you won't see guys like that starting unless it's for injury reasons.

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1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Or,  another way to look at it......

 

Credit to Grigson for finding Doyle AND  Swope....     They cost the Colts almost nothing.    No draft picks,  and a small amount of money until Doyle just signed,  and even Doyle's signing is very affordable.

 

Props to Grigson and his staff for those finds before he was shown the door....

 

I agree...but did he really or was that the scouting staff and Jimmy Raye who gets a lot of credit for the UDFAs? I'm not a Grigson hater but you could also look at it like he spent a 2nd (basically late first rd pick) and a 3rd (basically a 2nd) on Fleener and Allen in the same draft and basically struck out on both. That's a big investment at TE to have them basically outplayed by an UDFA....and now replaced by two. I loved what he did last year but man outside of Luck and TY early on he didn't do himself any favors.

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8 minutes ago, dgambill said:

I agree...but did he really or was that the scouting staff and Jimmy Raye who gets a lot of credit for the UDFAs? I'm not a Grigson hater but you could also look at it like he spent a 2nd (basically late first rd pick) and a 3rd (basically a 2nd) on Fleener and Allen in the same draft and basically struck out on both. That's a big investment at TE to have them basically outplayed by an UDFA....and now replaced by two. I loved what he did last year but man outside of Luck and TY early on he didn't do himself any favors.

 

I don't view Fleener and Allen as strike-outs.

 

Disappoints --- yes.     But strikeout implies bust and I don't think either of them qualifies as a bust.

 

As for Raye and the Scouts....   they belong to Grigson.   They may have done the footwork,  but ultimately he gets the credit.

 

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21 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I don't view Fleener and Allen as strike-outs.

 

Disappoints --- yes.     But strikeout implies bust and I don't think either of them qualifies as a bust.

 

As for Raye and the Scouts....   they belong to Grigson.   They may have done the footwork,  but ultimately he gets the credit.

 

They aren't busts for sure...I rarely use that term...but man those were huge investments that didn't work out. I just don't value TEs at the top of drafts (in general). There are always an exception but I didn't see them as that. To spend that kind of capital on the same position that gives modest gains over what a replacement TE would give you just doesn't seem to really appeal to me. All water under the bridge now...just hoping Ballard hits a home run in this draft. We still have a lot of holes to fill.

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1 minute ago, dgambill said:

They aren't busts for sure...I rarely use that term...but man those were huge investments that didn't work out. I just don't value TEs at the top of drafts (in general). There are always an exception but I didn't see them as that. To spend that kind of capital on the same position that gives modest gains over what a replacement TE would give you just doesn't seem to really appeal to me. All water under the bridge now...just hoping Ballard hits a home run in this draft. We still have a lot of holes to fill.

 

I was vouching for Cordy Glenn after Day 1 of the draft among the best available. Even if the TE cupboard was bare, given how Arians did not use TEs as much, Fleener was a bad pick, in my mind from the get go. We would have had a franchise tackle instead of trying to fill those with journeymen. 

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Have to say i am torn on this one.  allen is better than we've seen , imo.  He's a red zone nightmare and i fully expect him to be very successful in NE.  If he does stay healthy, he'll be a favorite in Gillette.

  I understood the frustrations with injuries, but the guy was good when on the field. Had some drops but all do in our offense it seems.

salary aside, i dont see us replacing him with a 4th round pick. I'm ok with it, but i feel out TE corps went from top ten to average at best with no real depth or experience behind Doyel.  This has me concerned mainly because of how we always hear how TE-centric Chuds offense is. 

We gotta pray Doyel stays healthy.

 

edit: sorry, i dont know why i used Doyle's french spelling above.  Brain-fart i guess.

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Dwayne Allen doesn't fit our scheme. He is good a getting open on those short routes. That's a reason why Pats like him. They will have him running crossing routes, hitches, and out routes. I would love if we can do more of that, but I didn't see any of that last year. Wish him the best.

 

 

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11 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Or,  another way to look at it......

 

Credit to Grigson for finding Doyle AND  Swope....     They cost the Colts almost nothing.    No draft picks,  and a small amount of money until Doyle just signed,  and even Doyle's signing is very affordable.

 

Props to Grigson and his staff for those finds before he was shown the door....

 

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9 hours ago, Rick_Grimes said:

I never thought the Colts would trade Allen for anything less than a 2nd-3rd.

If healthy, he was a good player.

Letting Fleener walk was a huge mistake.

Letting Fleener walk was absolutely the right thing to do.  The guy just wasn't that good.

 

getting a 4th for a consistently hobbled TE with butterfingers is fortunate.

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11 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I don't view Fleener and Allen as strike-outs.

 

Disappoints --- yes.     But strikeout implies bust and I don't think either of them qualifies as a bust.

 

As for Raye and the Scouts....   they belong to Grigson.   They may have done the footwork,  but ultimately he gets the credit.

 

Agreed. If griggs gets the blame for bad moves, he should get the credit for the good ones.

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38 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher said:

Agreed. If griggs gets the blame for bad moves, he should get the credit for the good ones.

Taking Fleener that high wasn't a good move.  Considering he didn't even make Fleenee an offer last off season it would seem Grigson agrees.

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2 hours ago, BOTT said:

Taking Fleener that high wasn't a good move.  Considering he didn't even make Fleenee an offer last off season it would seem Grigson agrees.

I was talking about his moves in general. He shouldn't get the blame for bad moves AND then the credit goes to his assistants for good moves.

 

As far as Fleener, he was far from a Bust. But at the time, I and others here preferred CB J. Jenkins instead.

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20 hours ago, Luck is Good said:

I like Jack Doyle better and I'm glad the Colts kept him. But I don't like it at all that Allen is going to the Patriots. He'll probably go into beast mode for them

Who cares. The Patriots just have a good system. The point is he wasn't good here. Just like Legarette Blunt in Tampa. It won't mean the Colts lost out.

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9 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

Who cares. The Patriots just have a good system. The point is he wasn't good here. Just like Legarette Blunt in Tampa. It won't mean the Colts lost out.

It's because of who is gonna be throwing to him. Dwayne is gonna now play with the best QB ever

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2 hours ago, Luck is Good said:

It's because of who is gonna be throwing to him. Dwayne is gonna now play with the best QB ever

Dwayne didn't get traded because he wasn't good in Indy, he got traded because he can't stay healthy.  I don't expect that to change in NE.

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