Ryan Grigson complaints (merge)

[OLD FAN MAN]

On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 11:22 AM, Jared Cisneros said:

I forgot Zimmer was an option when we hired Pagano. That was a miss of epic proportions. I wanted Xavier too, we all knew Werner wasn't a fit. The reason we didn't draft him though is because we got Vontae. No excuse for how bad the team currently is. It'll probably only change once the head is cut off (pagano and grigson).

concur

[rockywoj]

On October 4, 2016 at 11:10 AM, DougDew said:

... and Bradford is just as good as bridgewater.  ...

 

... and Bradford is significantly better** than Bridgewater.

 

:-)

[ColtStrong]

On 10/6/2016 at 1:53 AM, IinD said:

Although he's a media guy (Kurt Warner) now I've always felt like he knows football and is fairly honest.

 

JMO, but I feel we're gonna look back in several years and realize we squandered many possible opportunities because of Pags and Grigs.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000716079/article/kurt-warner-colts-asking-too-much-from-andrew-luck

This is where I disagree with you. I feel that with good talent on the field, Pagano would get the job done just fine. I put most of the blame on Grigson.

[IinD]

14 minutes ago, ColtStrong said:

This is where I disagree with you. I feel that with good talent on the field, Pagano would get the job done just fine. I put most of the blame on Grigson.

I could agree with you absolutely. Grigs has definitely handcuffed us at many spots. It's one of those situations where they're attached at the hip as Irsay says so I'm down on Chuck as well. 

 

The 4th down play vs NE won't ever leave my mind. It's the equivalent of Caldwell vs the Jets playoff game. I also think Chuck is to old school in terms of coaching flexibility.

 

But I won't argue if you blame Grigs more.

 

[crazycolt1]

6 minutes ago, IinD said:

I could agree with you absolutely. Grigs has definitely handcuffed us at many spots. It's one of those situations where they're attached at the hip as Irsay says so I'm down on Chuck as well. 

 

The 4th down play vs NE won't ever leave my mind. It's the equivalent of Caldwell vs the Jets playoff game. I also think Chuck is to old school in terms of coaching flexibility.

 

But I won't argue if you blame Grigs more.

 

So hand pick one play and judge the whole team, coaches and GM over it. Sounds right.

[21isSuperman]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

So hand pick one play and judge the whole team, coaches and GM over it. Sounds right.

I think @IinD is just using that as an example.  That is, that play demonstrates why he feels as he does about Pagano, but that play isn't the sole reason why.

[crazycolt1]

2 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

I think @IinD is just using that as an example.  That is, that play demonstrates why he feels as he does about Pagano, but that play isn't the sole reason why.

Pagano has been coaching with one hand tied. He has had way too many injuries to deal with at the same time having a whole bunch of rookies and one year players to deal with also.

But because the whole team is struggling with that just lay all the blame on Pagano. He is just as good a scrap goat as anyone I suppose.

[21isSuperman]

6 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Pagano has been coaching with one hand tied. He has had way too many injuries to deal with at the same time having a whole bunch of rookies and one year players to deal with also.

But because the whole team is struggling with that just lay all the blame on Pagano. He is just as good a scrap goat as anyone I suppose.

A lot of the issues are aside from the injury situation.  Gore has been running well, so why not give him the ball in the 2nd half?  The no-huddle works well, so why not run it more often?  He actually answered that by saying no-huddle doesn't let you substitute, but that just suggests he doesn't realize the benefits of no-huddle.  The team is consistently unprepared and undisciplined.  He's a defensive specialist, but our defense has been lackluster during his entire time in Indy.

[IinD]

28 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

A lot of the issues are aside from the injury situation.  Gore has been running well, so why not give him the ball in the 2nd half?  The no-huddle works well, so why not run it more often?  He actually answered that by saying no-huddle doesn't let you substitute, but that just suggests he doesn't realize the benefits of no-huddle.  The team is consistently unprepared and undisciplined.  He's a defensive specialist, but our defense has been lackluster during his entire time in Indy.

People seem to give him a pass on things like most 20+ point loss games in recent years or not having a 100 yd rushers since I don't even remember. A QB heading towards a record # of hits/sacks. 

 

It'll be a shame if the Luck era goes this way, we'll be * when we have a RG3 type average/bad player at QB because we've been LOTTERY lucky with our last 2 qbs. Odds are definitely not in your favor to draft 3 stud qbs in a row. We shouldn't be a shaky team that has a very good qb, it's usually teams with no qb who are usually shaky teams.

 

Long story longer, we're wasting AL with this leadership. I guarantee there's guys in the league our in college who can get more out of AL and the D in general. I don't get paid enough to know who that is. That's Jim's job, you can't tell me These guys (hc and or gm) can't the best we could do?

[rockywoj]

Grigson taking flack for his comment about having paid so much for Luck this year, that it will take some time to build the other side of the team.

[21isSuperman]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-gm-ryan-grigsons-explanation-for-the-teams-poor-defense-makes-no-sense/

 

Somewhat taken out of context, but...

 

What was your excuse when Luck was still on his rookie deal?

[austriancolt]

lol. grigson is just a terrible general manager thats the reason the colts suck right now and sucked last year. he had a few good findings but most of the time his picks just sucked! Irsay should have shown him the door...

[BOTT]

On September 19, 2016 at 0:04 AM, LockeDown said:

I think we can turn it around, but that doesn't mean we will.  I hope Anderson, Green and Morrison set the tone and others follow.  

 

 

Morrison?  That guy runs like he's wearing cement boots.

[BOTT]

10 hours ago, rockywoj said:

 

... and Bradford is significantly better** than Bridgewater.

 

:-)

 

He's much better fit for Norv Turner....that's for sure.

[TrueColt!]

This dude just said that Luck contract is the reason why the defense is bad. Umm, hello? Didn't 
Luck contract just recently get this way? I'm completely done with Irsay and gang until they fix this. I an't take this anymore. It's like they are doing it on purpose. I love my Colts to death and Love Luck but honestly, he should go somewhere else that's gonna appreciate him. 2 years in a row this organization said "F you Luck"...last year, weak butt Pagano says "he's been doing this for 3 years now, has he not". Now this year, Grigs says Luck contract is why the defense is bad. Ok, well, Luck should leave then. Demand a trade and go. F this organization. They give no care about him at all and that's why they let him get clobbered behind that line. I wouldn't even be upset if he left, he deserves better than this. I know I wouldn't sit there and let my bosses try to humiliate me in the media like I'm some bum. Forget that, he should go. I think they are doing it on purpose for some weirdo reason. They have to be bcuz who says stuff like that?

[TrueColt!]

15 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Pagano has been coaching with one hand tied. He has had way too many injuries to deal with at the same time having a whole bunch of rookies and one year players to deal with also.

But because the whole team is struggling with that just lay all the blame on Pagano. He is just as good a scrap goat as anyone I suppose.

Can somebody explain the worst play call in NFL history?? Against NE? Stop it. I see Denver, Vikings, etc...all kinds of teams dealing with a whole host of injuries and on their way to the playoffs. In better divisions. This staff is weak. Period! You can't talk against that. You can't defend the worst play call in NFL history, that's just foolish. 

[crazycolt1]

3 minutes ago, TrueColt! said:

Can somebody explain the worst play call in NFL history?? Against NE? Stop it. I see Denver, Vikings, etc...all kinds of teams dealing with a whole host of injuries and on their way to the playoffs. In better divisions. This staff is weak. Period! You can't talk against that. You can't defend the worst play call in NFL history, that's just foolish. 

If you think that one play is the worst in NFL history your knowledge is very limited.

[CoachLite]

Re: Ryan Grigson's recent self-evaluations in the media (and this goes for Pagano's as well), everyone creates a context in which they can answer "yes" to "Are you doing a good job?" This is part of the Dunning-Kruger Effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect ). It doesn't matter what the actual objective performance may be. Part of the problem (and I think it is a very real problem) is that there isn't enough "critical expectation of performance" throughout the entire team. Critical expectation is a two-edged sword, however. Not enough and you get under-performance (but everyone is well-liked and conflict is avoided). Too much and people who can't perform become overly-stressed and conflicts occur.

 

Coaches and GMs need to be coached as well (sometimes by owners, other times by consultants). I'm not sure this is happening. Mr. Irsay may be "too nice a guy" to expect critical performance.  Time will tell, but we risk losing fans of the team in the process, IF we expect a a championship caliber team.

[rockywoj]

9 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

If you think that one play is the worst in NFL history your knowledge is very limited.

I've been watching the NFL for almost 50 years and I'd be hard pressed to think of ever seeing a worse play.  

[rockywoj]

Even Belichik makes trade mistakes.  It happens. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000717176/article/patriots-waive-former-cardinals-guard-jonathan-cooper

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, rockywoj said:

I've been watching the NFL for almost 50 years and I'd be hard pressed to think of ever seeing a worse play.  

Sanchez butt fumble, Leon Lett in the snow?, Jim Marshall running the wrong way for a safety?, Brett Farve's interception in the super bowl, Desean Jackson premature TD spike, Herm Edwards fumble TD return after all the Giants had to do was take a knee? 

All of these plays were worse than the mistake the Colts made.

[TrueColt!]

2 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Sanchez butt fumble, Leon Lett in the snow?, Jim Marshall running the wrong way for a safety?, Brett Farve's interception in the super bowl, Desean Jackson premature TD spike, Herm Edwards fumble TD return after all the Giants had to do was take a knee? 

All of these plays were worse than the mistake the Colts made.

See this?? I knew u didn't know much about football. I'm done wasting time on you. These aren't play calls. LOLOLOLOL...HILARIOUS!!!! No call was worst than that play call Pags called against NE. What was it? Was it a punt? How do u have no linemen out there?? LMAO! What's crazy is, those player mistakes you mentioned are still better than that play call against NE. Know why? Bcuz at least the linemen lined up correctly. LOL. We had 1 snapper and a non QB hiking the ball with no one else on the field...maybe 1 other person far off to the side. That was doomed from the start!!! LOL. You cant name any PLAY CALL worst than that. Dude needs to go.

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, TrueColt! said:

See this?? I knew u didn't know much about football. I'm done wasting time on you. These aren't play calls. LOLOLOLOL...HILARIOUS!!!! No call was worst than that play call Pags called against NE. What was it? Was it a punt? How do u have no linemen out there?? LMAO! What's crazy is, those player mistakes you mentioned are still better than that play call against NE. Know why? Bcuz at least the linemen lined up correctly. LOL. We had 1 snapper and a non QB hiking the ball with no one else on the field...maybe 1 other person far off to the side. That was doomed from the start!!! LOL. You cant name any PLAY CALL worst than that. Dude needs to go.

Even Belichick said it wasn't a bad call. It was poor execution.

You can drink all the kool aid you want because I don't make myself look silly with the capital letters to make something I say any louder. How much sense does that make when no one can hear you?

I don't agree with you that the call was the worst in history and I would be willing to bet I am not alone. Do you always get so bent out of shape because someone has a different opinion or point of view that you do?

[OLD FAN MAN]

On ‎10‎/‎7‎/‎2016 at 2:44 PM, 21isSuperman said:

A lot of the issues are aside from the injury situation.  Gore has been running well, so why not give him the ball in the 2nd half?  The no-huddle works well, so why not run it more often?  He actually answered that by saying no-huddle doesn't let you substitute, but that just suggests he doesn't realize the benefits of no-huddle.  The team is consistently unprepared and undisciplined.  He's a defensive specialist, but our defense has been lackluster during his entire time in Indy.

I concur

[loudnproudcolt]

First of all I hate when anyone makes excuses, you should just own up to whats going on. As far as Grigson is concerned, him saying Luck's contract is the reason the defense is not good, well that is rubbish. I have defended Grigson until now, but he has had 5 years to shore up the defense and OL, and several of the picks, especially 2013 and 2014 first rounders were just wasted. Now I am of the belief the defense has some really solid young players that are only going to get better, and the OL is so young, it takes awhile. Look at Pitt's line as an example. They have multiple first rounders, but it took at least a year to learn the NFL and for them to start being a cohesive unit. I believe as much depth as we now have, that some of those players are going to develop into really good players. Love Kelly as the anchor. I do think with Castanzo's regression may prompt some discussions in the off season and Free Agency next year.

But I digress, i am getting off topic. Grigson making the excuse about the D may just signal bigger problems, and I believe Irsay needs to understand this.

 

There is a really good article from Over The Cap that explains Grigson making the excuse is pure rubbish. The article basically talks about the first 5 years, and what Grigson and the team did wrong. During that time, they should have focused on FA's who were proven. They should have extended Luck earlier. Also, if you are lucky enough to have a franchise QB, it is a sunken cost, you prepare for it, and thank your lucky stars you have one. The blown draft picks were bad enough, but what I have groaned about most is every FA we have signed has not been a true impact FA. We need quality, not quantity. We need to think about that next year, possibly for a LT. Don't blame the salary cap, because we have plenty of money going into next year, and not a lot of people to resign because of bad draft picks!

 

http://overthecap.com/andre-lucks-contract-blame-colts-problems/

[braveheartcolt]

Sometime myths get in the way of facts. Boy, did we need another thread on this. 

 

[WoolMagnet]

Overly dramatic and overly simplified.

[LockeDown]

Irsay could have chosen an experienced GM, but chose a novice.  He called him a rising star or something like that.  Ground zero, He, Pagano and Luck were purposely picked to grow together and eventually win multiple Super Bowls...again Irsays words.  Irsay either helped him handle everything mentioned in the article or he threw someone who was mainly a scout into the proverbial fire, trusting he would eventually figure it all out.  Again, he met with Grigson in the offseason and continued to put his trust in him.  This is Irsays call from the start.  Most Colt fans believe Irsay is a pretty smart guy with a high football IQ.  His vision of Polian, Dungy and Manning isn't too shabby.  iMo, we are once again trusting That Irsay knows what he is doing with Grigson as well.

[SteelCityColt]

2 hours ago, braveheartcolt said:

Sometime myths get in the way of facts. Boy, did we need another thread on this. 

 

 

4 hours ago, loudnproudcolt said:

First of all I hate when anyone makes excuses, you should just own up to whats going on. As far as Grigson is concerned, him saying Luck's contract is the reason the defense is not good, well that is rubbish. I have defended Grigson until now, but he has had 5 years to shore up the defense and OL, and several of the picks, especially 2013 and 2014 first rounders were just wasted. Now I am of the belief the defense has some really solid young players that are only going to get better, and the OL is so young, it takes awhile. Look at Pitt's line as an example. They have multiple first rounders, but it took at least a year to learn the NFL and for them to start being a cohesive unit. I believe as much depth as we now have, that some of those players are going to develop into really good players. Love Kelly as the anchor. I do think with Castanzo's regression may prompt some discussions in the off season and Free Agency next year.

But I digress, i am getting off topic. Grigson making the excuse about the D may just signal bigger problems, and I believe Irsay needs to understand this.

 

There is a really good article from Over The Cap that explains Grigson making the excuse is pure rubbish. The article basically talks about the first 5 years, and what Grigson and the team did wrong. During that time, they should have focused on FA's who were proven. They should have extended Luck earlier. Also, if you are lucky enough to have a franchise QB, it is a sunken cost, you prepare for it, and thank your lucky stars you have one. The blown draft picks were bad enough, but what I have groaned about most is every FA we have signed has not been a true impact FA. We need quality, not quantity. We need to think about that next year, possibly for a LT. Don't blame the salary cap, because we have plenty of money going into next year, and not a lot of people to resign because of bad draft picks!

 

http://overthecap.com/andre-lucks-contract-blame-colts-problems/

FYI this was merged into the Mega Grigson topic to try and keep things tidy.

[BOTT]

14 hours ago, LockeDown said:

Irsay could have chosen an experienced GM, but chose a novice.  He called him a rising star or something like that.  Ground zero, He, Pagano and Luck were purposely picked to grow together and eventually win multiple Super Bowls...again Irsays words.  Irsay either helped him handle everything mentioned in the article or he threw someone who was mainly a scout into the proverbial fire, trusting he would eventually figure it all out.  Again, he met with Grigson in the offseason and continued to put his trust in him.  This is Irsays call from the start.  Most Colt fans believe Irsay is a pretty smart guy with a high football IQ.  His vision of Polian, Dungy and Manning isn't too shabby.  iMo, we are once again trusting That Irsay knows what he is doing with Grigson as well.

I think most realize Irsay made a mistake, but you can't fire the owner.  

[Superman]

20 hours ago, loudnproudcolt said:

As far as Grigson is concerned, him saying Luck's contract is the reason the defense is not good, well that is rubbish

 

That's not what he said.

 

Quote

They should have extended Luck earlier.

 

Why? What difference would that have made, besides using more cap space in 2015?

[OffensivelyPC]

19 hours ago, BOTT said:

I think most realize Irsay made a mistake, but you can't fire the owner.  

Well you sort of can, but Goodell isnt going to do what Silver did. 

[21isSuperman]

19 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Well you sort of can, but Goodell isnt going to do what Silver did. 

Nor can he.  The situation with Sterling was very different than Irsay.  Sterling was a racist whereas Irsay has been nothing but great to the community in Indiana.

[OffensivelyPC]

On 10/13/2016 at 11:07 AM, 21isSuperman said:

Nor can he.  The situation with Sterling was very different than Irsay.  Sterling was a racist whereas Irsay has been nothing but great to the community in Indiana.

I agree with you that, the practicality of the two different situations is the difference and why Irsay wouldn't be (and wasn't) ousted under those circumstances.  I'm just simply making the point that, if Irsay did something bad enough, he could be forced to sell his team (he'd probably just sell it to his daughters).

[BOTT]

On 10/14/2016 at 0:29 PM, OffensivelyPC said:

I agree with you that, the practicality of the two different situations is the difference and why Irsay wouldn't be (and wasn't) ousted under those circumstances.  I'm just simply making the point that, if Irsay did something bad enough, he could be forced to sell his team (he'd probably just sell it to his daughters).

 

I would have liked have seen Donald sterling fight the forced sell.  Would have been very entertaining.

[21isSuperman]

No pass rush, defense can't stop a nosebleed, Luck continues to get pressured....congrats, Grigson.  This is the roster you've built

[adamthyst]

Good job on the roster, Grigson.

 

Throwing Luck's contract and him under the bus isn't going to save your wrongdoings of not building a proper defense or line to protect him. 

[OLD FAN MAN]

On ‎10‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 5:41 PM, TrueColt! said:

See this?? I knew u didn't know much about football. I'm done wasting time on you. These aren't play calls. LOLOLOLOL...HILARIOUS!!!! No call was worst than that play call Pags called against NE. What was it? Was it a punt? How do u have no linemen out there?? LMAO! What's crazy is, those player mistakes you mentioned are still better than that play call against NE. Know why? Bcuz at least the linemen lined up correctly. LOL. We had 1 snapper and a non QB hiking the ball with no one else on the field...maybe 1 other person far off to the side. That was doomed from the start!!! LOL. You cant name any PLAY CALL worst than that. Dude needs to go.

I concur

[IinD]

This team truly is a monster.

 

Scary to watch.

[Thewholefnshow28]

On 10/17/2016 at 0:23 AM, 21isSuperman said:

No pass rush, defense can't stop a nosebleed, Luck continues to get pressured....congrats, Grigson.  This is the roster you've built

 

Do not be to hard on the guy because you know the burden of Luck's contract is just to much.  It is not like he had three other years to help build a pass rush or an offesnive line.  This contract just came out of the blue and nobody forsaw having to pay one of the best young QBs out there a big contract.  

 

Even if we get a top 5 or 10 pick does anyone have faith that Grigson will nail the pick and get us the pass rusher we desperately need.  I am sure he will take a pass rusher, but he will probably end up being a bust just like Dorsett is on his way to being.