fleener vs allen

[CR91]

your thoughts on who is more important to resign and whether or not we will attempt to resign one or both

[COLTS449]

Has to be Fleener. With Luck back, Fleener will be good for another 600 or 700 yard season.

[21isSuperman]

Allen is more complete, but Fleener is more reliable in that he's on the field more.  If I had to pick one, I'd go with Fleener.

[crazycolt1]

Fleener. His big play ability is overlooked by a lot of fans. If one is not resigned IMO it will be Allen. Doyle also needs more time on the field.

[IndyD4U]

I like Allen better, but he can't stay on the field. Fleener would be my choice

[Devildog]

Fleener and Doyle are the ones we should keep.

[wig]

22 minutes ago, Devildog said:

Fleener and Doyle are the ones we should keep.

 

This.  They complement each other much better than Allen and Doyle would.

[crazycolt1]

I know a lot of fans rag on Fleener but he has an average of over 12 yards per catch.

[Dustin]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

I know a lot of fans rag on Fleener but he has an average of over 12 yards per catch.

 

No he doesn't and 12 YPC is about average anyway.

[Dustin]

Allen isn't going to re-sign. He's smart enough to go to a team that will utilize him. Unfortunately Grigson is an awful GM and will likely give Fleener a contract around 5 year $40M

[NewColtsFan]

7 minutes ago, Dustin said:

Allen isn't going to re-sign. He's smart enough to go to a team that will utilize him. Unfortunately Grigson is an awful GM and will likely give Fleener a contract around 5 year $40M

 

Would you care to make a gentleman's bet on what Fleener gets?

 

Remember,  I like him (but don't love him)  and I don't think he gets anything close to that amount.

 

And honestly,   I don't think you think he'll get that either.

 

Probably closer to 4/20 or maybe 4/25....    that would be my guess....

 

[chad72]

Fleener does not play like his timed speed laterally. Maybe straight line speed may be close to his timed speed but laterally, few abilities to make the defender(s) miss. That does not cut it if you want to become very good at your position. Right now, he is at best just a good TE, not very good or elite, IMO.

 

Allen is not utilized well but he is not the receiving threat that needs to be a focal point of a defense. But if a team has play makers on the outside, he will thrive underneath as a primary TE option because Ds will have to focus on the play makers. A team like the Steelers, he will replace Heath Miller there and be utilized well.

 

Fleener - 5 yrs for $25 mil. is what Grigson should give at best.

[Dustin]

41 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Would you care to make a gentleman's bet on what Fleener gets?

 

Remember,  I like him (but don't love him)  and I don't think he gets anything close to that amount.

 

And honestly,   I don't think you think he'll get that either.

 

Probably closer to 4/20 or maybe 4/25....    that would be my guess....

 

 

Sure. Keep in mind Kyle Rudolph signed for 5 year $36.5M a few years back.

[bababooey]

in the past 4 years one player missed 4 games the other missed 21. pretty easy who to pick.

[bababooey]

46 minutes ago, chad72 said:

Fleener does not play like his timed speed laterally. Maybe straight line speed may be close to his timed speed but laterally, few abilities to make the defender(s) miss. That does not cut it if you want to become very good at your position. Right now, he is at best just a good TE, not very good or elite, IMO.

 

Allen is not utilized well but he is not the receiving threat that needs to be a focal point of a defense. But if a team has play makers on the outside, he will thrive underneath as a primary TE option because Ds will have to focus on the play makers. A team like the Steelers, he will replace Heath Miller there and be utilized well.

 

Fleener - 5 yrs for $25 mil. is what Grigson should give at best.

Consider this year a wash as Allen had to block to make up for that O line. 2013 is a better measuring stick but health is the most important factor especially with this team being the most injured in the entire NFL of the last 6 years. Taking Fleener over Allen for health reasons only. He's not very good and I'm sick of the hair and the fact he only posts pics and videos of himself on social media.

[crazycolt1]

3 hours ago, Dustin said:

 

No he doesn't and 12 YPC is about average anyway.

Yes he does average over 12 yards per catch. His regular season average is 11,8 and his playoff average is 13. 9. It seems he steps his games up in the playoffs. Oh, by the way he has lost 1 fumble in his career and has an interception.

[crazycolt1]

2 hours ago, bababooey said:

Consider this year a wash as Allen had to block to make up for that O line. 2013 is a better measuring stick but health is the most important factor especially with this team being the most injured in the entire NFL of the last 6 years. Taking Fleener over Allen for health reasons only. He's not very good and I'm sick of the hair and the fact he only posts pics and videos of himself on social media.

Sick of the hair? My. My. you sound like my old man did in 1969.

[NewColtsFan]

2 hours ago, Dustin said:

 

Sure. Keep in mind Kyle Rudolph signed for 5 year $36.5M a few years back.

 

But wouldn't you think that Rudolph is a better all-around TE than Fleener?

 

More like Dwayne Allen, a complete TE,  and less like Coby?

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

I think Allen is slightly better, he is stronger but he cant stay healthy for some reason so that is the main reason why I would go with Fleener. Fleener is Good but needs to get stronger, a lot of times when he gets hit he drops the ball.

[SDakColts]

Whoever is cheaper. It simply comes down to this for me. Allen has injury issues, but offers something that Fleener can't and that is adequate running blocking. Fleener may be on the field more, and offers "big play" potential, but he plays very soft IMO. It really wouldn't bother me if we let both walk, sign a proven vet cheap, and draft replacements to develop in their places. I am sure Chud has and idea of who he would want at TE.

[GoColts00]

Allen can't stay healthy unfortunately. We can get David Morgan II in the draft to replace him. I honestly wonder if Doyle & Morgan could replace Fleener & Allen, but I think the Colts keep Fleener.

[Dustin]

15 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

But wouldn't you think that Rudolph is a better all-around TE than Fleener?

 

More like Dwayne Allen, a complete TE,  and less like Coby?

 

 

Sure I would, but Im not the one drawing up contracts.

[gacker65]

I will start by saying I have never been a Fleener fan.  With that said, I would re-sign Fleener over Allen, because of Fleener staying healthy.  If Allen could stay healthy, then I would let Fleener walk.

[CheezyColt]

Fleener. The wife just bought me the jersey for Xmas this year, and it'd be a shame if he left after one game with it.

 

That's a valid reason, right?

[riftastic28]

On January 8, 2016 at 11:06 AM, CR91 said:

your thoughts on who is more important to resign and whether or not we will attempt to resign one or both

Let them both walk pick up zach miller

[Bluefire4]

I would set a limit with both and not go past it. Even if that means losing both.

[snkdy]

Definitely Fleener. Allen is a goner.

[crazycolt1]

On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 5:57 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I think Allen is slightly better, he is stronger but he cant stay healthy for some reason so that is the main reason why I would go with Fleener. Fleener is Good but needs to get stronger, a lot of times when he gets hit he drops the ball.

What do you mean he drops the ball? He has one fumble his whole career. As far as dropped catches TY has more drops than Fleener.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

What do you mean he drops the ball? He has one fumble his whole career.

It's not fumbling, it's when he has a catch he should make, has it in his hands but then gets hit and drops the ball. Something Allen doesn't do much, something Gronk never does.

[crazycolt1]

2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

It's not fumbling, it's when he has a catch he should make, has it in his hands but then gets hit and drops the ball. Something Allen doesn't do much, something Gronk never does.

Allen had more drops this season than Fleener even being thrown to much less. And Gronk does have his share of drops. There are plenty of receives who will not make a catch when a defender hits them. It happens to all receivers. That is called a good play by the defender.

[MPStack]

Regardless, the market and draft are thin at TE. I think Fleener and Doyle are resigned and they draft one late. I prefer a healthy Allen though. 

[ztboiler]

Most will think this is crazy but Allen is what we need for the offense to click in 11 personnel.  I give him a decent contract with low guaranteed money and see if he'll take it.

[COLTS449]

I think we have to keep Fleener. He shouldn't cost that much but I mean I don't get why some are down on him. He wasn't as good this year because Luck was out most of the year. He's a borderline top 10 TE IMO as far as receiving goes. We have to bring him back unless we want to use our 1st round pick on Hunter Henry. If we want to pair a blocking TE with him we can sign a guy like Rhett Ellison for cheep, or draft a good blocking TE in the 4th or 5th round. But here's what I would do. Re-sign Fleener, then bring in one of Marcedes Lewis, Jermaine Gresham, or Vernon Davis on a cheep contract. Lewis or Gresham would take 1year deals IMO. And I think Vernon Davis would thrive here. Playing with his brother and I think he'd love playing with Luck and for Pags. You'd think it would really motivate him, and IMO he can still be an elite TE. But back to the main point. Fleener's good. Here's his stats over the course of his 4year career.

 

2012 12 games, 26 receptions, 281yards, 2TD's

2013 16 Games, 52 receptions, 608 yards, 4TD's

2014 16 Games, 51 receptions, 774 yards, 8TD's

2015 16 Games, 54 receptions, 491 yards, 3TD's

 

Fleener has gotten better and better each season. Last year with his 774 yards and 8 TD's he was becoming a top 10 TE in the NFL. This year would have been more of the same had Luck not been injured. But Pep Hamilton also hurt Fleener quite a bit at the beginning of the year. If you guys remember he was barley targeted the first 2 or 3 games. Next season with Luck back and healthy and a competent OC Fleener should be good for 600-700 yards or more and 8-10 TD's.