Brady Wins, Deflategate Suspension Nullified

[Nobody]

Which is shocking to me, because the NFL CBA says you don't need that definitive evidence, so I'm not sure how the court can overturn this.

Yeah I guess I'm not sure on that. They're playing by the court's rules rather than the NFL's I think.

[dw49]

Kudos to NE and fans for beating it. I figured reduced to 2 games . IMO , I still think he was probably involved but it's the judge that counts so you all ended up right.

[crazycolt1]

Hallelujah!

 

NFL 0-5. This is almost as glorious as Feb. 1. Almost.

You are overlooking the 1 million dollar fine and the loss of 2 draft picks. Besides, I doubt this is over.

[dynasty13]

The NFL is a joke anymore. This is the part beginning of the end for the NFL.

 

It is not just the Tom Brady issue that makes me feel that way. Enough is enough though. I am done.

 

I have been a 30+ year Colts fan, never missed a game. I don't care anymore, and it feels good to actually say that. I am no longer emotionally attached to the NFL or the Colts. I will miss my first game this year (maybe several) and just read about the results. 

 

Wish I would have just played Golf for 30+ years. That is a sport with integrity. They don't play around with nonsense like this.

 

Lata!

[amfootball]

Cudos to NE and fans for berating it. I figured reduced to 2 games . IMO , I still think he was probably involved but it's the judge that counts so you all ended up right.

And kudos to you for posting that!! Feels good right now. Real good.

[backshoulderfade]

Please don't appeal. I's finally over. Let our Super Bowl winning season begin. Go Colts!

[Gramz]

Public opinion doesn't change.

[Yehoodi]

I got three words folks: Ex Post Facto.  For me that sums all of this up for me.

 

Great news.  For those who understand justice, law, integrity, and fairness, it was the only way the judge could of come down on this matter.  This matter simply boils down to an action between the NFL and a player who plays for the NFL.  The NFL did not have any direct evidence and tried to impose a penalty for an action which has never been imposed before on a player.

 

Bottom line when you have no direct evidence of a wrongdoing, then on top of this try to impose a penalty that has never been imposed, you are driving the wrong way down a highway.  Don't complain if you get in accident.

 

All the NFL had to do in May was to issue a 50k, 100k or 150k fine for non cooperation and this all would of ended in May with Brady paying a fine for non cooperation.  But no the NFL tried to pull rank on something where they had nothing and got the appropriate ruling in a court of law. 

 

And moving forward with respect to other players and discipline in the league, this is about the third time the NFL tried to imposed penalties on players which have not been done before, or imposed retro penalties, and some point in time this has to stop.  This is another victory for the players and at some point the NFL needs to tell Goodell "could you please just impose fines that are on the books and we won't have all of this mess"  

 

All the NFL has to do in the future to avoid this type of mess is to keep penalties consistent with precedent and/or what is on the books and it will not find itself in hot water.    

[Derakynn]

Which is shocking to me, because the NFL CBA says you don't need that definitive evidence, so I'm not sure how the court can overturn this.

The judge's comments make him sound like an *. I really doubt he even took this into account.

[SDakColts]

All of you people who think this is over are in for a rude awakening.

Completely agree, as much as I want it over there is no way this is over. Let the NFL go over there stuff and there will be an appeal.

[ViriLudant]

Sorry, I don't concern myself with all of the tiny details about this case. I have better things to do.

Then don't be concerned when it's pointed out that there's plenty of reasons why the judge threw out the suspension.

[SilentHill]

Then don't be concerned when it's pointed out that there's plenty of reasons why the judge threw out the suspension.

 

Don't tell me what to do boy.

[Colt^2]

You are overlooking the 1 million dollar fine and the loss of 2 draft picks. Besides, I doubt this is over.

So will they get the 1 million and the draft picks back too?

[ViriLudant]

Except, as a Nuclear Engineering student, I did calculations with the ideal has law months ago, which showed that the temperature did not account for the lower pressures in multiple balls.

Because a nuclear engineering student deals with the same gas laws surrounding a football.

/sarcasm off

Plenty of others have demonstrated that the Patriots' footballs met the Ideal Gas Laws.

That, and it's been shown that Exponent actually doctored the data regarding the various footballs' PSI level.

[PeterBowman]

So will they get the 1 million and the draft picks back too?

I think this was just about Brady's suspension and not the Pats penalties...I think those still stand.

[jvan1973]

So will they get the 1 million and the draft picks back too?

No

[dynasty13]

Sorry, I don't concern myself with all of the tiny details about this case. I have better things to do.

 

Well your opinion is based on * then and should not be taken seriously.

[SilentHill]

So will they get the 1 million and the draft picks back too?

 

No, they accepted that penalty, and besides the NFLPA will not back the Patriots on that because it has nothing to do with the players. Kraft and the patriots would have to fund the entire legal team.

[SilentHill]

Well your opinion is based on * then and should not be taken seriously.

 

as is yours, next please?

[BlueShoe]

Lata!

 

I am sure I am not alone.

 

I won't miss you or any of your cronies. 

[bababooey]

So now that there is no consequence Pat fans can admit that he most certainly did cheat right?

[ViriLudant]

Brady is a joke, he deserved punishment for not cooperating....smashing his phone when he knew it was critical in this case....not the sign of a truthful man, but that of a spoiled child.  Court was wrong, hopefully NFL will appeal and they subpoena both Brady's info and those text from the club house folks involved.  CBA is effectively void, this will hurt the players long term and they can thank Brady!  The deflator....lol.... weight loss....what a joke

WELLS SAID THAT HE DIDN'T WANT BRADY'S PHONE.

Why do so many people fail to accept this?

 

It was GOODELL, months after the fact, that decided to punish Brady for that.

 

You know, Goodell, that man that MOST of you ripped apart for fumbling the Ray Rice situation, but somehow he's a champion of virtue now.

 

And, by the way, the NFL was given the phones of all Patriot employees that were not players, since the players were part of the union.

 

So sorry, the NFL had those texts. 

[dynasty13]

as is yours, next please?

 

Just sayin...if you admit to not knowing the details, why should your opinion on it hold any value?

 

Why is it always that the ones who know the least about something are always the first to talk about it?

[ViriLudant]

For any of you who want to read what the judge actually said:

 

http://thesportsesquires.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/National-Football-League-Management-Council-v-National-Football-League-Players-Association.pdf

[amfootball]

You know it just dawned on me that of course Brady won just like he does on the field time and time again. While Kraft capitulated and rolled over, Brady stood firm for all these months and won when it counted the most. He is the biggest WINNER Boston will ever know.

[ViriLudant]

Just sayin...if you admit to not knowing the details, why should your opinion on it hold any value?

 

Why is it always that the ones who know the least about something are always the first to talk about it?

Ignorance is bliss, apparently.

 

It's easier to cry and complain when not knowing the actual facts than it is taking the time to do the actual research and understand the situation.

[SilentHill]

Just sayin...if you admit to not knowing the details, why should your opinion on it hold any value?

 

Why is it always that the ones who know the least about something are always the first to talk about it?

Why should it not?

[Jackie Daytona]

I got two words folks: Expo Facto.  For me that sums all of this up for me.

 

 

Do you mean Ex Post Facto?

[Johnhenry]

It's pretty clear he did it, but in court you need definitive evidence rather than a lot of breadcrumbs leading to the obvious. The biggest loss here is that now Pats fans will say it's been proven he didn't do it, which is not what this verdict means at all.

 

It almost impossible to prove a negative, that you did not do something. The NFL had no evidence against Brady. They won't win if they appeal the verdict either. The NFL refused to negotiate a settlement after being fairly warned by the judge.

[ColtsBlueFL]

For those who actually read all the court materials and actually paid attention to the details of this case...this comes as no surprise.

pretty much so. the last reasoning to uphold from NFL was Goodell has the Power, and you are not allowed to question it.

Now, how will this reflect in future rules, and the next CBA?

[Gramz]

I can see  this thread will be locked soon.   Some things never change.

 

The obnoxiousness is unbelievable.  

 

[pgt_rob]

"I would be willing to take a 1 game suspension." - Tom Brady

 

Words from an innocent man.

[Yehoodi]

You can do what you will and get away with it in the NFL. All suspensions and fines can be taken to court and thrown out. Silly.

 

No.  This will not happen unless the NFL goes off it rocker like it did with deflategate and a few prior actions.  Please read my last post (#48) for more on this point.

 

Bottom line, so long as the NFL imposes penalties which are consistent with prior penalties there is no basis for a player to go to court.  There are no grounds.  But if the NFL wants to come out of blue with a penalty then it will find itself in court again.

 

All the NFL has to do is follow it prior actions and it will not have a problem.

 

Here are the ones in which it has had problem and each time the constant theme is they went overboard.

 

Bountygate - never has a player been suspended for noncooperation, Goodell suspend for this, he was reversed

 

Ray Rice - for domestic violence 2 game suspension is both the precedent (some 30 cases before) and in the NFL rules, but Goodell imposed a harsher penalty, got reversed

 

Deflategate - no player has ever been suspended for noncooperation or equipment violation.  Without even having direct evidence of the latter, Goodell imposed a suspension.  And like the prior two cases, it got reversed.

 

If you ever have a concern on this just remember that Jay Feely was a kicker for the Jets in 2009 and when an equipment employee improperly tampered with balls and he was suspended but nothing happened to Feely or the team.  That is about as on point as with the instant case as anything came by on point  Any rational person can see that one can not thereafter imposed a sentence as what the NFL did to Brady.   

 

Again all the NFL had to do was treat Brady like Feely and Farve.  Just impose a 50-150K fine and this would of been over in May.

 

Just follow what you have done in the past and you will stay out of court.

[bababooey]

pretty much so. the last reasoning to uphold from NFL was Goodell has the Power, and you are not allowed to question it.

Now, how will this reflect in future rules, and the next CBA?

It's sad to say that Goodell still is not as bad as Gary Bettman, who just freely allows lockouts whenever a CBA expires.

Edited September 3, 2015 by 21isSuperman

[pacolts56]

Hallelujah!

 

NFL 0-5. This is almost as glorious as Feb. 1. Almost.

Yes....worship your hero!

 

We all know that Tom Brady is pure as the driven snow....

[ViriLudant]

If anyone wants to truly understand this, read the link above from pages 21 on.  Plenty of reasons why this was vacated.

[bababooey]

Jim Garopollo will be facing us as a member of the Texans in a few years as is tradition.

Edited September 3, 2015 by 21isSuperman

[dynasty13]

Why should it not?

 

Because when you aren't privy to the relevant information regarding a topic, it makes you unqualified to discuss it.

 

It would be like if I studied elementary education to become a teacher, but then I felt the need to give my opinion on how to perform open heart surgery. Nobody would listen to me because I don't know a thing about it.

 

Make sense?

[OhioColtsGirl]

Well then.

I'm tired of hearing about Deflategate. Ready to move on already.

[Yehoodi]

You could tell it was going to happen due to the complete lack of professionalism on the judges part. It doesn't matter though. Everyone who isn't a Patriots fan knows that the Pats cheated once again.

 

You do know that the team was fined $1 mil, lost a first and fourth draft pick, right?

 

And you also know that Farve was only find 50K for non cooperation, that no player ever has been suspended for non cooperation, that Goodell has been reversed before for suspending players for non cooperation, and that Jay Feely was non even touch when it was found a employee was improperly preparing his kicking balls.

 

So if in the end all we have is the teams above penalties and nothing going to Brady, not sure what any complaint would be by fans.  You can complain about the judge all you want, but you can non ignore the above precedent.