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  1. Although Colts fans have always said the Peyton WAS the system...that he WAS the coach ;)
  2. I'm not discrediting Peyton for his championships, nor did I say it was easy to win a Superbowl as a starter for two different teams. I just don't see why he somehow gets 'bonus points' for the fact that it was with two teams. Every situation is different...you referenced Montana who ran into Marino come the playoffs and Warner who did make it to another Superbowl. The fact is that many Superbowl winning quarterbacks don't change teams, and more recently if they do, it was because they were traded and not always sent to as good a situation as Peyton was able to pick out in Denver.
  3. I've always wondered why this 'fact' seems to hold so much weight...or any at all...for some people. What is so impressive about winning with two teams if it happened the way it did: being released, hand picking your next team, and then being Trent Dilfered and Brad Johnsoned to a championship. Don't get me wrong, Brady and Peyton were 1A and 1B during this generation and the all time conversations will always be fun...I just don't understand why the 'he won with two teams while the others only won with one' sentiment even enters the debate. Is it supposed to somehow tip the scales
  4. Sometimes it is hard to differentiate, I agree. I just don't think anyone in their right mind would go on a national broadcast to say 'poor patriots' right now and actually mean it ;)
  5. Honest question here....how is this behavior any different than Elway forcing a trade after refusing to play for the Colts? Or Eli forcing a trade after refusing to play for the Chargers? We all know how you guys feel about Peyton's little brother....but never once have I heard anyone here call him a spoiled brat or prima donna. Antonio Brown didn't want to be in Oakland...so he essentially pulled some spit to get out.
  6. It was Collinsworth yeah...but I thought he was being sarcastic.
  7. Don't care for 18 games. The 16 game schedule works perfectly, the playoff format works perfectly...just let it be.
  8. Yes, the natural reaction of an immature person when somebody is accused of something is 'yeah but, you did this'. I will, however, say that it isn't just some Patriots fans bringing up Irsay. Many of the national talk shows have mentioned Irsay's situation as a way to compare because it is so seldom that an owner gets punished for something. There just isn't any precedent for this, so people go right into trying to find someone or something to compare it to. Unfortunately, that lands on Irsay in this case.
  9. The problem is that you are all jumping to a conclusion that he was involved in the human trafficking element of this story...and granted, the way the headlines were written did him no favors. This could quite literally be nothing more than a case of an old rich guy paying for a quickie...the point is we just don't know yet...but come here for your news and you would be convinced that Kraft was selling underage asian girls out of the Gillette Stadium locker room. It's an embarrassing situation for him, but to be honest, its starting to sound less and less like reality
  10. The leap from 'paying for sex' and 'involved in human trafficking and knowingly soliciting under age girls' is what I'm referring to. Go ahead and judge away that there is evidence of multiple visits and video evidence. But the 'rushing to judgement before facts are known' and the 'he must have known' crowd need to take a step back...because once that narrative gets out, regardless of its level of truth, then there's no coming back from it and that simply isn't fair.
  11. Patriots fans here have not defended anything. Instead we are choosing to wait for the facts before judging.
  12. Embarrassing for him and just another thing that opposing fans will point to for why everyone associated with this franchise is a scumbag. Sounds like simply a case of an old guy just trying to get a beejer. The deal with the human trafficking most likely has nothing to do with him. Not defending him...but not really worried about it.
  13. The interesting thing is that all week heading into the Pats/Chiefs game, everyone was saying 'the team with the ball last will most likely win'. Well....that's exactly what happened....so why is everyone so surprised? Not to mention, there were two overtime games that day: In the other one, the team that had the ball first lost, in this one, the team that had the ball first won. Play defense, it's just as important as offense.
  14. Well that's a bummer! This has been one pretty awesome offseason so far for the boys in Foxboro...
  15. No moral value? See, this is where the conversation heads south. Peaceful marches and protests by women with signs that contain language no more vile than that used by the man being protested against to stand up for something they believe it is not the sign of a lack of morality and integrity. But regardless, and as Buck mentioned above, I am fairly certain that moral character is EXACTLY what the refusal of going to the White House was based on.
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