Why does everyone say Denver is a better team than the Patriots?

[PATS16N0]

The Denver Broncos have never, EVER, defeated a Patriot team that has Gronkowski on the field.

What's the record now? 0-5 against us with Gronk? 0-6?

 

I always see people say this in an echo chamber as a matter of fact but is it based on parroting "media experts" or is it based on real analyisis?

 

How can they be a superior team if they always lose to the Patriots with Gronk on the field? ALWAYS.

That sort of consistency seems to point to the exact opposite of this narrative.

 

Just wondering.

[Dustin]

Because you got wrecked in the AFCCG.

[jvan1973]

The Denver Broncos have never, EVER, defeated a Patriot team that has Gronkowski on the field.

What's the record now? 0-5 against us with Gronk? 0-6?

I always see people see this as a matter of fact but is it based on parroting "media experts" or is it based on real analyisis?

How can they be a superior team if they always lose to the Patriots with Gronk on the field? ALWAYS.

That sort of consistency seems to point to the exact opposite of this narrative.

Just wondering.

A healthy gronk is about as rare as finding a leprechauns gold

[GoPats]

The Patriots and Broncos have played only three games since Manning went to Denver. The Broncos won one, but they won the most important one! Plus they were the #1 seed and soundly defeated us in the AFCCG. You can't go back to the Tebow days and really count those.

 

I'd say objectively speaking that the Patriots are chasing the Broncos at the moment, not the other way around.

[PATS16N0]

Because you got wrecked in the AFCCG.

 

...with no Gronk.

[PATS16N0]

I think people are just so used to not seeing Gronk since he basically missed all of last season that they forget what the Patriots are at full strength.

I can say "Indy is superior to the Broncos" if I assume Peyton is injured but why would I? It creates a false argument.

[MTC]

This is the wrong place to ask this question. 

[kjyb]

ovously they have no gronk no Hernandez no randy moss but they had eldman but no more of him

[PATS16N0]

This is the wrong place to ask this question. 

 

Why? It's the NFL forum. Seems a more suitable question for here than the Colts section

[jvan1973]

I think people are just so used to not seeing Gronk since he basically missed all of last season that they forget what the Patriots are at full strength.

I can say "Indy is superior to the Broncos" if I assume Peyton is injured but why would I? It creates a false argument.

gronk has missed more games than peyton has in his career and peyton has played more than ten years longer

[Dustin]

...with no Gronk.

Gronk has nothing to do with Brady flat out missing targets.

[PATS16N0]

Gronk is still a Patriot and Gronk is stilll the most dangerous red zone threat in the NFL. With Gronk on the field I'd rather confidently bet the horse, cows and the farm on the Patritos.

I think when people say "Denver is better than the Patriots" like its an obvious, indisputable fact, what they really mean is "Denver is better than the Patriots if Gronk is injured."

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Due to the fact you got your behinds pushed in Prison style in the AFCCG...

Also because they're upgrades (Ware, Ward, Talib, and others?) are better then your upgrade (Revis) + your loss (Wilfork)

[Beauregarde]

The Denver Broncos have never, EVER, defeated a Patriot team that has Gronkowski on the field.

What's the record now? 0-5 against us with Gronk? 0-6?

 

I always see people say this in an echo chamber as a matter of fact but is it based on parroting "media experts" or is it based on real analyisis?

 

How can they be a superior team if they always lose to the Patriots with Gronk on the field? ALWAYS.

That sort of consistency seems to point to the exact opposite of this narrative.

 

Just wondering.

Who cares about that? Gronkowski in never on the field so it makes no difference. Even with Gronk, Denver has made great improvement. NE has only upgraded at CB. They are losing their world class NT who we should sign and they lost another member of their defensive front to the Colts. Right now, they are not as good as they were last year. That could change but Denver has made a great leap ahead of them.

[MTC]

Why? It's the NFL forum. Seems a more suitable question for here than the Colts section

 

Didn't mean that.

 

I meant to say that you should ask somewhere else.

[coltsblue1844]

...with no Gronk.

 

And the Pats beat Denver with... No Ryan Clady, no Von Miller, no Wes Welker, no Champ Bailey... the list goes on and on

[BlueCollarColts]

Gronkowski won't be the same again... way too many surgeries... And the Broncos have Aqib Talib now who stopped Jimmy Graham, so I think he can limit Gronk

[PATS16N0]

Due to the fact you got your behinds pushed in Prison style in the AFCCG...

Also because they're upgrades (Ware, Ward, Talib, and others?) are better then your upgrade (Revis) + your loss (Wilfork)

 

Well, call me a homer but I just can't get scared of Denver. We hand them a humiliating defeat WAY to often for me to be frightened of them. They beat us ONE time in the last few years when we didn't have Gronk on the field. I think calling them the indisputed class of the AFC is a bit of wishful thinking and naiveity

[jvan1973]

Well, call me a homer but I just can't get scared of Denver. We hand them a humiliating defeat WAY to often for me to be frightened of them. They beat us ONE time in the last few years when we didn't have Gronk on the field. I think calling them the indisputed class of the AFC is a bit of wishful thinking and naiveity

how did the afccg game look?

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Well, call me a homer but I just can't get scared of Denver. We hand them a humiliating defeat WAY to often for me to be frightened of them. They beat us ONE time in the last few years when we didn't have Gronk on the field. I think calling them the indisputed class of the AFC is a bit of wishful thinking and naiveity

Teams turn up in the playoffs. Like you guys did to us what the Broncos did to you and what the Seahawks did to the Broncos. That's the true barometer, because teams play differently in the playoffs. 

 

I agree though, no one should be scared of the Broncos in the playoffs besides the ever choking Bengals.

[Holden89]

Well, in all honesty. the Broncos are, in fact, the best team in the AFC.  Does that mean that they will sweep the AFC?  Of course not.  Even the best teams lose, that's why going undefeated is such a rarity.  The Patriots are, obviously, the closest to them I believe.  However, with both teams at 100% I would put my money on the Broncos.

 

 

As a Colts fan, I'm not "scared" of any team in the NFL.  I know the Colts are capable of beating them all.  It doesn't necessarily mean they're BETTER than all of them.  Like last year, the Colts beat the Seahawks, Broncos, AND 49ers.  In my heart of hearts, I don't think the Colts are better or as good as them.  We just managed to pull off the upset. (Also caught the Broncos when Manning had the ankle issues and wasn't quite as ridiculous)

[BlueCollarColts]

Well, call me a homer but I just can't get scared of Denver. We hand them a humiliating defeat WAY to often for me to be frightened of them. They beat us ONE time in the last few years when we didn't have Gronk on the field. I think calling them the indisputed class of the AFC is a bit of wishful thinking and naiveity

I think Denver is a great team, but even I am not "Scared" of them. They are the team to beat for sure, but they aren't unbeatable 

[PATS16N0]

Teams turn up in the playoffs. Like you guys did to us what the Broncos did to you and what the Seahawks did to the Broncos. That's the true barometer, because teams play differently in the playoffs. 

 

I agree though, no one should be scared of the Broncos in the playoffs besides the ever choking Bengals.

 

No doubt. Patriots didn't execute well in the AFCCG but people who want to latch on to that and say we're finished are just hoping that's the case. We were decimated with injures last year and every Patriot fan knew it was going to require perfect execution. Losing Talib was basically the nail in the coffin. Brady over shooting Edelman made my heart sink.

 

It was what it was, yet.... not scared of Denver, especially with Gronk on the field, and now Revis island to boot. I don't fear them. You can call me a liar but you would be wrong, and thats the truth.

 

We'll see what seed Denver gets this post season. They have to play a real mans schedule this year, and they have a habit of losing to almost every good play off team they face. That was the case in 2012 and that was the case in 2013. Chances are they come to here next year.

[PATS16N0]

I think Denver is a great team, but even I am not "Scared" of them. They are the team to beat for sure, but they aren't unbeatable 

 

When I say "I'm not scared of Denver," what I mean is that I expect to beat Denver when we play Denver, not that I think they can be beaten and we have a punchers chance.

[BlueCollarColts]

When I say "I'm not scared of Denver," what I mean is that I expect to beat Denver when we play Denver, not that I think they can be beaten and we have a punchers chance.

Well your also about to lose Edelman it seems like, you sure you should be that confident? 

[Nobody]

...with no Gronk.

And the Broncos were without tons of lineman and Moore and Von Miller and Chris Harris.

[Insert Colts Pun Here]

*Raises hand and waves it in the air frantically*

 

Ooh ooh! Pick me! Pick me!

 

Because they are...

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

No doubt. Patriots didn't execute well in the AFCCG but people who want to latch on to that and say we're finished are just hoping that's the case. We were decimated with injures last year and every Patriot fan knew it was going to require perfect execution. Losing Talib was basically the nail in the coffin. Brady over shooting Edelman made my heart sink.

 

It was what it was, yet.... not scared of Denver, especially with Gronk on the field, and now Revis island to boot. I don't fear them. You can call me a liar but you would be wrong, and thats the truth.

 

We'll see what seed Denver gets this post season. They have to play a real mans schedule this year, and they have a habit of losing to almost every good play off team they face. That was the case in 2012 and that was the case in 2013. Chances are they come to here next year.

All of the Broncos secondary was decimated, their oline, and Von Freaking Miller. You should not expect to beat them when you play them. I give you a 40/60 shot

[PATS16N0]

Well your also about to lose Edelman it seems like, you sure you should be that confident? 

 

Sure, we'll just create a new Edelman, like we created Edelman when we needed a new Welker. How often do we have to go through this conversation? Brady will be fine.

Also, good year to replace the murderer.

[jameszeigler834]

The Denver Broncos have never, EVER, defeated a Patriot team that has Gronkowski on the field.

What's the record now? 0-5 against us with Gronk? 0-6?

 

I always see people say this in an echo chamber as a matter of fact but is it based on parroting "media experts" or is it based on real analyisis?

 

How can they be a superior team if they always lose to the Patriots with Gronk on the field? ALWAYS.

That sort of consistency seems to point to the exact opposite of this narrative.

 

Just wondering.

ya but its pathetic when they don't beat the broncos without him so whats the Pats fans excuse without him?.

[Fx Stryker]

And the Broncos were without tons of lineman and Moore and Von Miller and Chris Harris.

But there was no Gronk. Those others do not count because there was no Gronk.

[That Guy]

Every team has injuries.  It's why depth is important.  Saying "if Gronk was healthy, things would be different" is a terrible argument. 

 

Why are (some) Patriots fans so offended at the idea that their team isn't the best team?

[BlueCollarColts]

Sure, we'll just create a new Edelman, like we created Edelman when we needed a new Welker. How often do we have to go through this conversation? Brady will be fine.

Also, good year to replace the murderer.

you can't just replace a 1,000 yard receiver whenever you want to, or if thats your strategy, thats the exact reason why Denver is better

[Andy]

Because last season they had the greatest offense in NFL history and destroyed them in the AFCCG.

 

Right now, the Broncos are better than the Pats, especially with the Broncos' new big name signings.

[amfootball]

I like having Denver push the Pats. Not sure they even consider a signing like Revis if they did not lose to the Broncos in the AFCCG due in large part to Talib being taken out. No one is winning anything on March 13 anyways so we can wait until the season starts before anointing anyone. Both the Pats and Broncos are still the class of the AFC until further notice.

[JerodMayo51]

Because you got wrecked in the AFCCG.

 

Wrecked?  They got beaten by a better team, but it "wrecked" is an adjective I would use to describe the Broncos loss to the Seahawks in the SB, not losing a reasonably close AFCCG.

[Dustin]

Wrecked? They got beaten by a better team, but it "wrecked" is an adjective I would use to describe the Broncos loss to the Seahawks in the SB, not losing a reasonably close AFCCG.

"Reasonably close." Anyone who watched that game knows it wasn't reasonably close. It wasn't a curb-stomp on par with the Super Bowl, but a wrecking nonetheless.

[PATS16N0]

you can't just replace a 1,000 yard receiver whenever you want to, or if thats your strategy, thats the exact reason why Denver is better

 

This is what everyone said when Welker left. I like Edelman but if he's going to walk I won't lost any sleep.

[JerodMayo51]

Because last season they had the greatest offense in NFL history and destroyed them in the AFCCG.

 

Right now, the Broncos are better than the Pats, especially with the Broncos' new big name signings.

 

the greatest offense in nfl history would have scored more than 8 pts in the biggest game of their life.

[Vance]

Oh my god can it be preseason already.