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Bleacher Report has an article about the cap savings the Colts could get by cutting a couple players:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1950290-5-cuts-that-could-create-serious-cap-space-for-the-indianapolis-colts/page/5

 

It is interesting that cutting Satele, Hasselback, and Toler would save over $10 million.

 

In my opinion Satele was outplayed by McGlynn at center, and if you have Khaled Holmes waiting in the wings, might as well cut ties now. Hasselback is a nice backup, but I would rather not spend so much on a backup. I really like Toler......when he plays. Unfortunately, he has a long injury history.

 

Freeing up more money would seem to open up a couple more options.

 

I imagine we will keep Vontae Davis. He should hopefully not cost more than $7 million per year based on his inconsistency.

 

This would give us some money to go after a pass rusher like Brian Orakpo, Jason Worilds, or maybe even Greg Hardy.

 

I would love Greg Hardy. He is 6'4" 280lbs, only 25 years old, and would look great opposite Mathis. Unfortunately, the Panthers may franchise him.

 

 

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And then Luck tears his acl doing ballet and the Colts become Goodell's project in Singapore. He is one of the better backups in the league. I would be excited to pick up Brady Quinn from his 13th or so team. I would rather be safe. Obviously Grigson feels the same or he wouldn't be on the team in the first place.

Jason Worilds sounds like this year's Kruger. Comes out last half of season and then this forum thinks he is another Mathis. I don't see us signing a pass rusher anyways, we have both Walden and Werner, who they drafted obviously thinking he would be a starter.

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I think Franchise Tagging a player also counts against the cap for that year...If in fact that is the case the Panthers would go from roughly $15,145,991.00 in cap space DOWN  to roughly $3,970.991...With still having to sign there draft picks

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Cut Toler and Satele for sure and sign Walter Thurmond and Brian De la Puente to replace them.  The cost would likely cancel each other out so they would upgrade without spending anything.

 

We have the cap room to keep Toler and sign Walter Thurmond. But another slot CB that I like is Tarrell Brown of the 49ers, he is underrated and won't cost as much as Walter.

 

Satele has to go, that will be the greatest offseason gift that Grigson can give us Colts fans. Ironically, our best play of the playoff game (Luck's sandlot TD in my avatar) happened because of Satele's ineptitude where he was blocking no one in no man's land. If he was not there, the ball would not have bounced off his helmet, so there was some value to his ineptitude at the biggest stage, haha :).

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Looking at what the Cowboys cap roughly is......They are WAY OVER the cap......$23,757,502 OVER the cap.......Im expecting a big name cut or 2 Post Just 1st......probably a yard sale if Over The Caps numbers are accurate ....Absolute cap hell

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I'd say cut Satele and Toler.  (Although a lot of people want to give Toler another year, and I don't think Grigs will actually cut him). 

 

No reason to cut Hassleback.  If something happened to Luck we don't want to see 2011 all over again.  

 

Hassleback is planning on retiring after this season anyways.  So let him finish up as a Colt and then figure out our backup situation.  Do we go with Harish as our long term backup, draft a backup, or just sign one in FA.  

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I'd say cut Satele and Toler.  (Although a lot of people want to give Toler another year, and I don't think Grigs will actually cut him). 

 

No reason to cut Hassleback.  If something happened to Luck we don't want to see 2011 all over again.  

 

Hassleback is planning on retiring after this season anyways.  So let him finish up as a Colt and then figure out our backup situation.  Do we go with Harish as our long term backup, draft a backup, or just sign one in FA.  

Just sign Dan Orlovsky......as a backup he is good enough to get a few wins........Or Shaun Hill....Two vet backups that are serviceable that you know will be prepared...If Matt is retiring then might as well cut him and save the 2.25mill

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Just sign Dan Orlovsky......as a backup he is good enough to get a few wins........Or Shaun Hill....Two vet backups that are serviceable that you know will be prepared...If Matt is retiring then might as well cut him and save the 2.25mill

 

Why downgrade ourselves at backup QB this year when we can just as easily get guys like that next year.  Backups in this league are a dime a dozen.

 

BTW when I said he's planning on retiring after this season I ment the 2014 season.  

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Why downgrade ourselves at backup QB this year when we can just as easily get guys like that next year.  Backups in this league are a dime a dozen.

 

BTW when I said he's planning on retiring after this season I ment the 2014 season.  

I thought he was not returning at the end of THIS year

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Bleacher Report has an article about the cap savings the Colts could get by cutting a couple players:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1950290-5-cuts-that-could-create-serious-cap-space-for-the-indianapolis-colts/page/5

 

It is interesting that cutting Satele, Hasselback, and Toler would save over $10 million.

 

In my opinion Satele was outplayed by McGlynn at center, and if you have Khaled Holmes waiting in the wings, might as well cut ties now. Hasselback is a nice backup, but I would rather not spend so much on a backup. I really like Toler......when he plays. Unfortunately, he has a long injury history.

 

Freeing up more money would seem to open up a couple more options.

 

I imagine we will keep Vontae Davis. He should hopefully not cost more than $7 million per year based on his inconsistency.

 

This would give us some money to go after a pass rusher like Brian Orakpo, Jason Worilds, or maybe even Greg Hardy.

 

I would love Greg Hardy. He is 6'4" 280lbs, only 25 years old, and would look great opposite Mathis. Unfortunately, the Panthers may franchise him.

 

No way should we cut Hasselback.  We all saw what happened when we had to rely on Curtis Painter. Here's to hoping Luck never gets injured, but it is certainly worth it to have a solid back-up.

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Cut Toler and Satele for sure and sign Walter Thurmond and Brian De la Puente to replace them.  The cost would likely cancel each other out so they would upgrade without spending anything.

I can't like this post enough, those are the exact same ideas I have coming up in my next offseason post.

 

Would be a great idea.

 

I do not, however, think Toler willl be cut, but I would still sign Thurmond.

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I can't like this post enough, those are the exact same ideas I have coming up in my next offseason post.

 

Would be a great idea.

 

I do not, however, think Toler willl be cut, but I would still sign Thurmond.

Isn't Thurmond one strike away from a 1 year suspension?

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No way should we cut Hasselback.  We all saw what happened when we had to rely on Curtis Painter. Here's to hoping Luck never gets injured, but it is certainly worth it to have a solid back-up.

 

I am not saying we don't need a backup, just not one that costs as much. I would rather go the route of New England and have a young guy to groom for a trade later on. If he gets forced into action, that is an opportunity to audition and enhance his trade value.

 

I would roll with Chandler Harnish, although I would look at Jeff Matthews from Cornell in the 6th or 7th round.

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I see us cutting Satele and that will be it more than likely. Cutting Hasselback and Toler would be really bad idea's IMO although I wouldn't be totally against letting Hasselback go. I also think people need to get over signing a high dollar pass rusher. It will not happen because it makes no sense for the team at all. We may(and I stress "may") sign a cheap option as a pass rusher, likely just re-signing Sidbury to see what he can do after spending the entire yr. an IR.

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Satele should go- so we can go after someone like Mack.

I like Toler but he is too injury prone-we need a #2 CB opposite Davis.

Sheppard could be a potential cut. I would like to replace him, Angerer and Conner with Henoc Muamba,Rolando McClain (Vet min) and Shayne Skov.

We need to Hasselbeck around for a bit longer- he would be a useful teacher fo Luck-then after Hasselbeck retires-maybe sign another vet to teach Luck more.

RJF in my opinion was solid this year and shouldn't cut.

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No way should we cut Hasselback.  We all saw what happened when we had to rely on Curtis Painter. Here's to hoping Luck never gets injured, but it is certainly worth it to have a solid back-up.

What happened when we had to rely on Curtis Painter?....we were able to draft Andrew Luck.

 

I subscribe to either having an outstanding year or a horrible year (premium draft picks to use or trade and an easier schedule the next year). Getting stuck in the middle is not a good place to be. Without Luck we would likely be stuck in the middle with Hasselbeck, so why not groom Harnish and perhaps see what he can do?

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I'd say cut Satele and Toler.  (Although a lot of people want to give Toler another year, and I don't think Grigs will actually cut him). 

 

No reason to cut Hassleback.  If something happened to Luck we don't want to see 2011 all over again.  

 

Hassleback is planning on retiring after this season anyways.  So let him finish up as a Colt and then figure out our backup situation.  Do we go with Harish as our long term backup, draft a backup, or just sign one in FA.  

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I am not saying we don't need a backup, just not one that costs as much. I would rather go the route of New England and have a young guy to groom for a trade later on. If he gets forced into action, that is an opportunity to audition and enhance his trade value.

 

I would roll with Chandler Harnish, although I would look at Jeff Matthews from Cornell in the 6th or 7th round.

 

 

What happened when we had to rely on Curtis Painter?....we were able to draft Andrew Luck.

 

I subscribe to either having an outstanding year or a horrible year (premium draft picks to use or trade and an easier schedule the next year). Getting stuck in the middle is not a good place to be. Without Luck we would likely be stuck in the middle with Hasselbeck, so why not groom Harnish and perhaps see what he can do?

I am not sure about Harnish -- the fact that we have kept him around must mean the coaches see quite a bit of positive in him.  However, I am much more confident in Hasselbeck than Harnish.

 

As far as grooming someone using 'New England's style' goes, I think a lot of people forget that those N.E. teams were some of the best teams (and best-coached teams) in league history.  My argument why Peyton is a better player than Brady usually starts out pointing to the fact that Brady went down for the season in week 1 on a power-house team and Matt Cassell (who never started a game in college) still led them to 11 wins.  I am pretty sure Painter or a number of other pretty poor back-ups could have won at least 8 games on that team.  Peyton goes down and we went from being projected by most to win 12+ games and the number 1 pre-season super bowl pick to winning 2 games, with a back up that was a 4 year starter in college. 

 

When Painter did start for us, we were fortunate to have gotten the number 1 pick and the opportunity to draft Luck.  The reason we were lucky is because Peyton's future was pretty unclear (i.e., who knew he would bounce back from his neck surgery like he has) and he is at the end of his career.  Andrew Luck is our future, and barring unexpected career-ending injury, we should not be in the position where we need a #1 pick for quite some time.  While Andrew is our new franchise player, the philosophy of this regime is much different than the philosophy of the Manning-era regime -- mainly in that our goal is to build a well-balanced team that can run and play strong defense.  Our run game obviously struggled last year and our D still has a way to go (though I'd say it did very well for the 2nd year in a new system with a lot of personnel change), but I think we have a bright future.  It will be essential for Luck to thrive if we are to win championships during his tenure as Colts' QB, but Irsay has made it clear we are not going to ask him to be Peyton Manning -- we are going to give him a strong team so he doesn't have to do everything himself.

 

Given the weakness in the AFC South right now, I think we could still potentially win our division with Hasselbeck filling in.  With Harnish, I am not sure.  I highly doubt we could win the super bowl without Luck, but we could possibly still get to the playoffs with Hasselbeck.  Again, if Luck got a career-ending injury, it might be nice to tank our season (assuming there is a franchise QB waiting in the draft), but if Luck just gets nicked up and has to miss a several games in a season, we should want to aim for the playoffs so we can continue to build this team the way the regime wants it (win with defense and a balanced offensive attack), get our young guys playoff experience, etc... If Luck went down and we tank our season, but we knew he would be back at full-strength the following year, I think it could be terrible because it may result in huge changes to our regime (e.g., everyone on here would be calling for Pagano's head and Pep's head if we sucked on offense and couldn't win a game, possibly Grigson's head) and it would be a major set back in what we are aiming to do for the long-term of Luck's stay in Indy if that happened.  It would be much better, IMO, to still be a competitive team, aim to win the AFC South and see this team win Pagano and Grigson's way than it would be to throw in the towel and pray there is a talent in the draft as skilled and NFL-ready as Andrew Luck was when we drafted him.

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