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If he has a hard time not getting down on himself when he messes up/things don't go right than now is definitely not the time to throw him in the game, when the team is melting down.  We would just risk ruining any progress we had made with him.  I had suggested before that I think he was in training camp to learn much more than the playbook and routes; that he was there to learn how to be a pro mentally.

 

Someone like that needs to be put in when he can get some early success and build some confidence.  That time is clearly not now. 

 

I think he still has a chance to develop into a star especially now that Reggie can now spend more time working with him.  I would rather hold him out the rest of the season and bring him into training camp with a new solidly built foundation, and preseason games to build his confidence than roll the dice now, if we are not sure he is ready.

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I witnessed something similar with an ex-Colts player before. I am not sure if anyone remembers Benjamin Gay. Physically the guy looked like nightmare to tackle. He failed at every level because he was a head-case, but the natural talent was there. I remember watching him at Colts training camp after the Browns cut him, and he was screaming at himself. It was rather bizarre.  

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He was cut from the bills because they did not see his obvious HOF level (like almost everyone in this forum)... they are so dumb right???

 

Although many are truly over-hyping him ... you are being just as ridiculous in the other direction.  No he is not "obvious HOF" or even average WR at this point.  But, to discount his talent, physical skills, and potential makes you just as bad as the people you are trying to ridicule.

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I read a good article by a sports trainer, who said that most great athletes use their hind brain, which allows them to react quickly without thinking too much. Thinking too much is the fore brain, which causes you to over analyze and it slows your reaction time down. The problem is that thee great athletes, like Rogers and tons of NFL hopefuls, make poor decisions because they are not over thinkers. Whether it is true or not, it was interesting.

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I read a good article by a sports trainer, who said that most great athletes use their hind brain, which allows them to react quickly without thinking too much. Thinking too much is the fore brain, which causes you to over analyze and it slows your reaction time down. The problem is that thee great athletes, like Rogers and tons of NFL hopefuls, make poor decisions because they are not over thinkers. Whether it is true or not, it was interesting.

 

I can attest. It is why I am so brilliant. Now if only I were 6'4" and 230.  ;)

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Very simple anecdote to the Colts woes:  Fire Pep Hamilton, he is not NFL ready as an offensive coordinator, that's obvious in the last few games with predictable plays that the opposing team seems to grasp.  He is ruining Luck to the ground  as a premier quarterback.  Luck doesn't appear like the number one quarterback drafted a year ago..  Luck is going to have a short career with injuries if the Head coach doesn't recognize this, and the only solution is Fire PEP!!!!!!!! Get someone who is a take charge in offense.  The next anecdote is Fire Manusky,  You wonder why other teams have let him go, giving up big yardage every weekend is obvious, and I don't understand why PAGANO doesn't see this.  He is always saying we gotta improve, heck he's been saying this all season.  Need some action taken, not reaction......The head coach seems to be in denial,  Otherwise if they keep this trend, they might be lucky  as Wildcard if they make the playoffs.  Take that to the Bank.....

 

Note to Mr Irsay:   Your coaches are in denial, get them to hold the players accountable.

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I believe Grigson misjudge the the free agent talents out there, these guys are underachieving.....Also need to release some of these Veterans, ie, Redding, Bethea Angerer, they all seem to be non-factors....Hopefully rookie Werner can improve soon, appears to be heading down on the "Bust" stop.

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Very simple anecdote to the Colts woes:  Fire Pep Hamilton, he is not NFL ready as an offensive coordinator, that's obvious in the last few games with predictable plays that the opposing team seems to grasp.  He is ruining Luck to the ground  as a premier quarterback.  Luck doesn't appear like the number one quarterback drafted a year ago..  Luck is going to have a short career with injuries if the Head coach doesn't recognize this, and the only solution is Fire PEP!!!!!!!! Get someone who is a take charge in offense.  The next anecdote is Fire Manusky,  You wonder why other teams have let him go, giving up big yardage every weekend is obvious, and I don't understand why PAGANO doesn't see this.  He is always saying we gotta improve, heck he's been saying this all season.  Need some action taken, not reaction......The head coach seems to be in denial,  Otherwise if they keep this trend, they might be lucky  as Wildcard if they make the playoffs.  Take that to the Bank.....

 

Note to Mr Irsay:   Your coaches are in denial, get them to hold the players accountable.

Yeah...always fire the coaches.  Cleveland fired a grouchy coach named Bill Belichick in 1995.  Never heard of him....

 

And we have not heard from the Cleveland Browns either...9-7 and playoffs under Butch Davis in 2002.  Who was the secondary coach?  Chuck Pagano.

 

We are 7-4.  We need to beat the Titans...and play every game one at a time....the over-reaction on the coaching is amazing.  For just a few posts your negativity is sickening.  I wonder if anybody else thinks 7-4 and leading a division is a firing offense...especially with a ton of folks out for the year and with nagging injuries...I am sticking by this team!!   :blueshoe:  :blueshoe:  :blueshoe:

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Very simple anecdote to the Colts woes:  Fire Pep Hamilton, he is not NFL ready as an offensive coordinator, that's obvious in the last few games with predictable plays that the opposing team seems to grasp.  He is ruining Luck to the ground  as a premier quarterback.  Luck doesn't appear like the number one quarterback drafted a year ago..  Luck is going to have a short career with injuries if the Head coach doesn't recognize this, and the only solution is Fire PEP!!!!!!!! Get someone who is a take charge in offense.  The next anecdote is Fire Manusky,  You wonder why other teams have let him go, giving up big yardage every weekend is obvious, and I don't understand why PAGANO doesn't see this.  He is always saying we gotta improve, heck he's been saying this all season.  Need some action taken, not reaction......The head coach seems to be in denial,  Otherwise if they keep this trend, they might be lucky  as Wildcard if they make the playoffs.  Take that to the Bank.....

 

Note to Mr Irsay:   Your coaches are in denial, get them to hold the players accountable.

Yeah, Fire Pep.  He has no clue what hes doing.  No clue against any team we have played.  I forgot.  He controls what players do and how they play.  He didnt seem over his head in our 7 wins.  Players gotta play.  Thats it. 

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HOF receiver?  The guy hasn't even made it on the field yet...   Calling nonsense on the HOF tag

Actually, nobody calls him HoF but the people who thinks Rogers is a average WR, and they are annoyed by those pots and they begin to call him ironically HoF. I think nobody who likes Da'Rick call him HoF they just have a hope on Rogers.

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Actually, nobody calls him HoF but the people who thinks Rogers is a average WR, and they are annoyed by those pots and they begin to call him ironically HoF. I think nobody who likes Da'Rick call him HoF they just have a hope on Rogers.

 

Something has to give us hope with the WRs on this team besides TY. Although Brazill did look decent Sun and I hope he does even more this coming week vs the Titans.

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Actually, nobody calls him HoF but the people who thinks Rogers is a average WR, and they are annoyed by those pots and they begin to call him ironically HoF. I think nobody who likes Da'Rick call him HoF they just have a hope on Rogers.

 

My balloon is deflated. I was photoshopping Rogers in a Gold Jacket for atop my mantle above the widescreen TV.  Now I'm sad...

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Actually, nobody calls him HoF but the people who thinks Rogers is a average WR, and they are annoyed by those pots and they begin to call him ironically HoF. I think nobody who likes Da'Rick call him HoF they just have a hope on Rogers.

I call him our savior and our starscream compared to megatron

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Yeah, Fire Pep.  He has no clue what hes doing.  No clue against any team we have played.  I forgot.  He controls what players do and how they play.  He didnt seem over his head in our 7 wins.  Players gotta play.  Thats it. 

Yes our wins was there, but that doesn't mean our offense played well.  Majority of those wins were team wins.  If you look at the stats we are pretty much on the bottom when it comes to yards per game.  This offense doesn't bring out the WR true potential and involves holding on to the ball to long for big plays.

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The Bills drafted Woods and have Johnson, but that's about it. They also drafted a QB. They are not "mature" at the receiver position and needed players that could contribute right away and help Manuel. Rogers was seen as more of a project- without a proper mindset. They did not have time to wait for him to adjust to the NFL.

 

At the beginning of the season, we were okay at the receiver position with Wayne, Hilton, DHB, Brazill, and our TE's, Fleener and Allen. The Colts could afford to take on a project and let him grow, mentally. 

 

Recently, we've seen that DHB hasn't been the answer. Allen is out for the season. Brazill and Whalen haven't shown much. So there is a need at the WR position. With Rogers size and play making ability, based on his college days, it's reasonable for fans to want to see him play. No one has actually claimed he's a HOF player. We just feel that he may be a better option at this point.

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I don't understand everyone's fascination with Rodgers.

 

The guy hasn't played a snap in a regular season game with us, and we think he will be the next Reggie Wayne.

 

Rodgers will probably be another average WR with us. 

Youre right. No reason to hope Rogers can add any kind of spark to the WR's when receivers not named Hilton have been contributing so well the past few weeks;

 

Texans – 5 WR receptions

Rams -8 WR receptions

Titans – 2 WR receptions

Cardinals – 6 WR receptions

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Although many are truly over-hyping him ... you are being just as ridiculous in the other direction.  No he is not "obvious HOF" or even average WR at this point.  But, to discount his talent, physical skills, and potential makes you just as bad as the people you are trying to ridicule.

 

 

 

I agree. Like you said, some are over hyping the guy, but when others start saying he's HOFer just to be sarcastic are just making themselves look stupid. This guy would have been no lower than a 2nd rd. draft pick if he had his head on straight and possibly even could have been a 1st rd. pick. So I don't think it's ridiculous to think that this guy could become a really good WR in the NFL if he grows up and mature's. Yes, he needs to prove it 1st, but he needs to have the opportunity to prove it. 

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I agree. Like you said, some are over hyping the guy, but when others start saying he's HOFer just to be sarcastic are just making themselves look stupid. This guy would have been no lower than a 2nd rd. draft pick if he had his head on straight and possibly even could have been a 1st rd. pick. So I don't think it's ridiculous to think that this guy could become a really good WR in the NFL if he grows up and mature's. Yes, he needs to prove it 1st, but he needs to have the opportunity to prove it.

 

That's it. The guys playing receiver right now, aside from Hilton, are getting zero separation (part of that is the passing concepts, to be fair). It's not like we'd be upsetting the awesome chemistry the receiving corps has with the QB right now.

 

I really wish we'd get rid of Reed, use Brazill at KR/PR, and let Rogers get some action at receiver. He makes me think of Josh Gordon, except I think Rogers is a slightly better athlete. Not polished, has character concerns, but the physical ability is there, and he has great size. Can't understand why, at this point, we wouldn't put him on the field.

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That's it. The guys playing receiver right now, aside from Hilton, are getting zero separation (part of that is the passing concepts, to be fair). It's not like we'd be upsetting the awesome chemistry the receiving corps has with the QB right now.

 

I really wish we'd get rid of Reed, use Brazill at KR/PR, and let Rogers get some action at receiver. He makes me think of Josh Gordon, except I think Rogers is a slightly better athlete. Not polished, has character concerns, but the physical ability is there, and he has great size. Can't understand why, at this point, we wouldn't put him on the field.

 

 

Me either, of course I don't understand why they keep trotting Satele out there every week just to get manhandled and embarrassed again.

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That's it. The guys playing receiver right now, aside from Hilton, are getting zero separation (part of that is the passing concepts, to be fair). It's not like we'd be upsetting the awesome chemistry the receiving corps has with the QB right now.

 

I really wish we'd get rid of Reed, use Brazill at KR/PR, and let Rogers get some action at receiver. He makes me think of Josh Gordon, except I think Rogers is a slightly better athlete. Not polished, has character concerns, but the physical ability is there, and he has great size. Can't understand why, at this point, we wouldn't put him on the field.

Whatever logic is used in that decision is the same logic that keeps Satele at C, McGlynn a RG, Reed as KR, and Conner on the bench.

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Me either, of course I don't understand why they keep trotting Satele out there every week just to get manhandled and embarrassed again.

 

 

Whatever logic is used in that decision is the same logic that keeps Satele at C, McGlynn a RG, Reed as KR, and Conner on the bench.

 

I've been a big fan of Pagano, but his team management is starting to trouble me at this point. These are the primary reasons why.

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I've been a big fan of Pagano, but his team management is starting to trouble me at this point. These are the primary reasons why.

At this point I'm not even concerned with who is better.  My question is why not shake things up?  No one (even the players getting benched) would blame Pagano for making moves like that.  Either get someone in there that will play better, or bench people to light a fire.

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I've been a big fan of Pagano, but his team management is starting to trouble me at this point. These are the primary reasons why.

 

 

 

I said the same thing yesterday. I really liked the Pagano hire, but I am beginning to worry about some of the coaching decisions concerning personnel. I am beginning to think that Pagano does not want to ruffle feathers with some of the veterans and that is something that a head coach shouldn't worry about. 

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