Mark Schlereth and Jerome Bettis feel we might be better served with ZBS

[chad72]

On NFL live, Mark Schelereth and Jerome Bettis were showing instances of how we are not holding up mano mano on the OL.

 

They felt that there might be more room for error with a zone blocking scheme for us since chances are, the entire OL generally is trending the same way that one can pick up the slack of a missed assignment better than in a man blocking scheme.

 

Thoughts???

[Balzer40]

I think it would be dumb to switch now and I'm not sure any of our O-lineman have the athletic ability to play a ZBS.

[AntonMcG]

Gap blocking for run plays, and zone pass protection... that is what the best o-lines ni the league run successfully.

[chad72]

I think it would be dumb to switch now and I'm not sure any of our O-lineman have the athletic ability to play a ZBS.

 

Our tackles do, Joe Reitz and Linkenbach do, IMO. Just not sure about Satele or McGlynn. Reitz and Linkenbach have been swing tackles for a while that they would fit a ZBS better than Satele or McGlynn, IMO.

[SilentHill]

I think it might be better, but who am I, lol

[Mr.Debonair]

I'm in favor of any scheme where the line actually blocks well

[Gavin]

All of our O Linemen are much more mobile then they are able to maul anyone, ZBS still involves plenty of technique, I like using alot of angle blocking myself, I'd personally like to see alot more trap blocking ...even doing all that there simply is not a scheme on this planet that can make up for the lack of talent at Center and RG.

[Gavin]

We also use some Zone blocking now (Not alot)

[Boilermaker]

We might be better served with NMM (or NSS).

 

N=No

M=Mike

M=McGlynn   

 

You can figure what NSS means for yourself.        

[Balzer40]

Our tackles do, Joe Reitz and Linkenbach do, IMO. Just not sure about Satele or McGlynn. Reitz and Linkenbach have been swing tackles for a while that they would fit a ZBS better than Satele or McGlynn, IMO.

 

 

 

The problem with that is that our coaches refuse to take McGlynn and Satele out of the game. One day I hope to get a job that I absolutely suck at and have my bosses think I'm great.

[Imped]

It's nice to think about but it should be abundantly clear that the people making those decisions aren't planning on changing a thing. Stubbornness is killing this team. 

[NewEra]

Don't know anything about olinemen or how the block. I don't care what they use or the name of it as long as they get the job done. Whatever they are doing now hasn't worked since Thomas got injured.

[TKnight24]

I'm fine with Pep Hamilton's vision. We just don't have the main pieces yet. It's a marathon, not a sprint

Last season, we made Greg Manusky wait a season till he got some new toys cause we laid the foundation on offense. He got new toys (Laron Landry, Greg Toler, Etc Etc) and he's used them well

Now we need to get Pep Hamilton some new toys this off-season. Starting with the trenches

This vision may be a little blurry at the moment but it'll be beauty when it's done

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Why not let it fly?

 

Man blocking has been so amazing right?

[shakedownstreet]

I'm in favor of any scheme where the line actually blocks well

 

 

[hoosierhawk]

I can't help but think the coaches are playing the guys they feel gives us the best chance to win. They see these guys ever day and they feel they give the team the best chance to win. Even though I would get an argument from many here, I have to believe they know more than most people on this forum.

[CoachLite]

I can't help but think the coaches are playing the guys they feel gives us the best chance to win. They see these guys ever day and they feel they give the team the best chance to win. Even though I would get an argument from many here, I have to believe they know more than most people on this forum.

I agree.  But this can also point to our problem.  Humans - and that includes coaches - can suffer from various cognitive biases.  One particular cognitive bias that is a real bummer is called the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

 

Hope not.

[Dustin]

I can't help but think the coaches are playing the guys they feel gives us the best chance to win.

 

That doesn't mean they are correct.

[Smonroe]

I agree.  But this can also point to our problem.  Humans - and that includes coaches - can suffer from various cognitive biases.  One particular cognitive bias that is a real bummer is called the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

Hope not.

Interesting. But in the NFL results matter. If a coach isn't playing the better player, for whatever reason, and the team suffers, it's a direct reflection on that coach. His job is on the line.

Back to Chads post - Whatever happened to that claim that was made by our O line coach that we were going to run all schemes? I was skeptical then. Rightfully so.

[LockeDown]

Moving a bad guard to center is kind of like holding your nose when you drink bad apple juice.   <--- i did that for the apple juice poster. 

[Smonroe]

BTW, I highly recommend going over to Colts Authority and reading the in depth analysis of the O line. Some of it may surprise you.

[HtownColt]

We do run some zone blocking from time to time and have the same result

[theanarchist]

All of our O Linemen are much more mobile then they are able to maul anyone, ZBS still involves plenty of technique, I like using alot of angle blocking myself, I'd personally like to see alot more trap blocking ...even doing all that there simply is not a scheme on this planet that can make up for the lack of talent at Center and RG.

I like trap blocking too but a lot of teams are now using the TE's to do what a G used to traditionally do. "wham" blocking has become a trend. Thornton looks the part of a good trap blocker

[BPM_Colt]

I'm fine with Pep Hamilton's vision. We just don't have the main pieces yet. It's a marathon, not a sprint

Last season, we made Greg Manusky wait a season till he got some new toys cause we laid the foundation on offense. He got new toys (Laron Landry, Greg Toler, Etc Etc) and he's used them well

Now we need to get Pep Hamilton some new toys this off-season. Starting with the trenches

This vision may be a little blurry at the moment but it'll be beauty when it's done

Lets just hope our main toy (Luck) survives till that day

[Gavin]

Anyone just see that segment done by LT showing a couple of Richardsons runs?, 1 of the runs he showed was his fumble he lost, LT said he isn't trusting his O Linemen yet and thats why he missed 2 holes that were open on that play

[dudeski]

Anyone just see that segment done by LT showing a couple of Richardsons runs?, 1 of the runs he showed was his fumble he lost, LT said he isn't trusting his O Linemen yet and thats why he missed 2 holes that were open on that play

i saw that

 

i also like that they said edge was mentoring him

[Dustin]

Anyone just see that segment done by LT showing a couple of Richardsons runs?, 1 of the runs he showed was his fumble he lost, LT said he isn't trusting his O Linemen yet and thats why he missed 2 holes that were open on that play

You know where I can find that segment?

[jameszeigler834]

like I said two weeks ago bench Samson and put mcglynn at center.