pep

[OLD FAN MAN]

will pep game plan to the strengths of the talent he has, or use his own system and expect the talent to fit in?

[Gavin]

Expect his talent to fit in

[OLD FAN MAN]

Expect his talent to fit in

oh no

[OldSchoolColt]

See the Pass Happy thread. He will be forced to use what he has.

[TKnight24]

Force his offense onto our players thus leading to his firing

Then we promote Chudzinki (spellcheck) to OC and the Colts win the Super Bowl next year

[akcolt]

If he still thinks we have a LG who can pull to run one of "his favorite plays" he should be cut with the players. That play hasn't worked and Mewhort struggled to make the block too vs NYJ it's a loss every time. If he calls it send him away. You gotta know your players and put them in a position to succeed that is the job.

[ReMeDy]

oh no

 

lol

[TKnight24]

I'm telling y'all, the hire of Chudzinski proves Pep is on a short leash

If Pep was doing good or if they had faith in him.... Why hire someone else?

Pep better get it together or the doors gonna hit him where his body splits him

[twfish]

I havent been a fan of pep since we brought him in, I completely understand why we did bring him in but ehh. Im not ready too throw him under the bus yet, about mid season if he hasnt decided to stop trying too cram a play into the throats of the other team then I will.

[HtownColt]

It's his system either way you slice it

[HtownColt]

I'm telling y'all, the hire of Chudzinski proves Pep is on a short leash

If Pep was doing good or if they had faith in him.... Why hire someone else?

Pep better get it together or the doors gonna hit him where his body splits him

Clyde Christenson would take over the offense before anyone else would in house, if it came to that

[BlueShoe]

will pep game plan to the strengths of the talent he has, or use his own system and expect the talent to fit in?

 

Last year it was about his system. This year it's about the talent he has.

[NewColtsFan]

will pep game plan to the strengths of the talent he has, or use his own system and expect the talent to fit in?

 

Pep is just the OC.    He doesn't work in a vacuum.

 

He's got people he has to answer to.    Namely a head coach and a general manager.

 

If they're not happy with what he's doing,  I'd expect they'll say so.

 

And while you may not be happy with the emphasis on the running game,  I don't think you'll argue that our OL isn't what we'd like it to be just yet.

 

So,  the goal is to run effectively enough to slow down any pass rush that Luck has to deal with. 

 

If all we're doing is throwing the ball 40-45 times a game,  Luck's job will become much, much harder.

 

We run to help Luck and to also take pressure off the defense by eating up clock.

 

There's a method to what seems like madness......

[ColtsBTM12]

Since the end of last season it looks like Pep has been letting Andrew run the no-huddle in sort of a pass first type of scheme (and it's worked), where as for much of last season Pep was force feeding the run when it just wasn't working out. I think he now realizes that the Colts are going to have to pass to set up the run as opposed to vice versa. I think it's ridiculous to start questioning his job this early on or calling him out on his play-calling. As he's said, he is going to do whatever gives the Colts the best chance to win.

[bestQBever]

Force his offense onto our players thus leading to his firing

Then we promote Chudzinki (spellcheck) to OC and the Colts win the Super Bowl next year

I hope this is a joke. Either that or you haven't seen any of our games this preseason... We saw it at the end of last year and we're seeing it now, Luck out of shotgun nearly 90% of the time passing A LOT which is really the only thing we can do with our talent.

[Warhorse]

Pep is just the OC.    He doesn't work in a vacuum.

 

He's got people he has to answer to.    Namely a head coach and a general manager.

 

If they're not happy with what he's doing,  I'd expect they'll say so.

 

And while you may not be happy with the emphasis on the running game,  I don't think you'll argue that our OL isn't what we'd like it to be just yet.

 

So,  the goal is to run effectively enough to slow down any pass rush that Luck has to deal with. 

 

If all we're doing is throwing the ball 40-45 times a game,  Luck's job will become much, much harder.

 

We run to help Luck and to also take pressure off the defense by eating up clock.

 

There's a method to what seems like madness......

As usual, a voice of reason, filled with information and perspective.

[Smonroe]

As usual, a voice of reason, filled with information and perspective.

There's no place for that in this thread. Now, where did I put my pitchfork? I have to catch up to the angry mob!

[CroatianColtsFan21]

I'm telling y'all, the hire of Chudzinski proves Pep is on a short leash

If Pep was doing good or if they had faith in him.... Why hire someone else?

Pep better get it together or the doors gonna hit him where his body splits him

Right, chudzinski.. has anyone seen or heard of him during training camp/preseason?? I haven't..

[Jason_]

Clyde Christenson would take over the offense before anyone else would in house, if it came to that

Dear god I hope not

[superrep1967]

I'm telling y'all, the hire of Chudzinski proves Pep is on a short leash

If Pep was doing good or if they had faith in him.... Why hire someone else?

Pep better get it together or the doors gonna hit him where his body splits him

That's crazy he turned down a head coaching job to stay with the Colts. They doesn't sound like somebody who's worried about there job. 

[superrep1967]

As usual, a voice of reason, filled with information and perspective.

I'm not disagreeing with you but if something isn't working then it's time to change it and the running game hasn't worked. So if what your saying is only true if the running game is working a little over two yards a carry simply means it's not working.  But I understand all the method to the madness crap.  

[ColtsHappy]

I'm telling y'all, the hire of Chudzinski proves Pep is on a short leash

If Pep was doing good or if they had faith in him.... Why hire someone else?

Pep better get it together or the doors gonna hit him where his body splits him

Yup, additionally - he seems ready to bolt at a moments notice - and I am sorry - there is not a college head coaching job in the UNIVERSE that is more fun or challenging than working with our beloved Colts. He should be kissing the ground every day he is here instead of sniffing out college jobs. I don't care if some consider it an upgrade for him to be a HEAD COACH in college, a few successful years with the Colts and he will be getting NFL head coaching offers.

 

Just my opinion, as always I could be wrong.

 

Fire up the flamethrowers, but I will never understand. Cmon Vanderbilt? You have to be kidding me. What an embarrassing joke and no wonder they grabbed Chud.

 

ColtsHappy

[Black-Vell]

It's his system either way you slice it

 

Soooo....what you are basically saying is that every week Pep sits in a room by himself and makes up the offensive gameplan and no one weighs in on it? If you were a head coach, is this how you would operate YOUR team? Funny, i've never heard of an OC on the "hot seat" before, IND is a very unique place i guess. Listen, the OC is only responsible for how, the head coach is responsible for the why.

 

C Pagano says "we need to get H Nicks isolated on the backside of our 31 sets", Pep goes into his system and translates that into the actual terminology for A Luck.

 

As far as Pep's "system" not working, we were top 3 in starters lost to injury last year and Pep had the same record Coach of the Year B Arians had. This seems like an offseason thread, not one for a time when we are actually able to see the team resonding to OUR OFF & DEF systems. 

[Gavin]

Soooo....what you are basically saying is that every week Pep sits in a room by himself and makes up the offensive gameplan and no one weighs in on it? If you were a head coach, is this how you would operate YOUR team? Funny, i've never heard of an OC on the "hot seat" before, IND is a very unique place i guess. Listen, the OC is only responsible for how, the head coach is responsible for the why.

 

C Pagano says "we need to get H Nicks isolated on the backside of our 31 sets", Pep goes into his system and translates that into the actual terminology for A Luck.

 

As far as Pep's "system" not working, we were top 3 in starters lost to injury last year and Pep had the same record Coach of the Year B Arians had. This seems like an offseason thread, not one for a time when we are actually able to see the team resonding to OUR OFF & DEF systems. 

Coordinators (Offensive, Defensive) are on the "hot seat" plenty or else none would get fired, Having some input on an offensive game plan is much different then the system being Peps, Also I think its a fair assessment that coach Pagano wasn't brought in to be a HC because he has a great Offensive mind, Would you trust a coach with no experience as a offensive position coach let alone an offensive coordinator? I wouldn't

[TKnight24]

Soooo....what you are basically saying is that every week Pep sits in a room by himself and makes up the offensive gameplan and no one weighs in on it? If you were a head coach, is this how you would operate YOUR team? Funny, i've never heard of an OC on the "hot seat" before, IND is a very unique place i guess. Listen, the OC is only responsible for how, the head coach is responsible for the why.

C Pagano says "we need to get H Nicks isolated on the backside of our 31 sets", Pep goes into his system and translates that into the actual terminology for A Luck.

As far as Pep's "system" not working, we were top 3 in starters lost to injury last year and Pep had the same record Coach of the Year B Arians had. This seems like an offseason thread, not one for a time when we are actually able to see the team resonding to OUR OFF & DEF systems.

Kyle Shanahan.............

[Warhorse]

I'm not disagreeing with you but if something isn't working then it's time to change it and the running game hasn't worked. So if what your saying is only true if the running game is working a little over two yards a carry simply means it's not working.  But I understand all the method to the madness crap.  

It was purely a compliment to how much I appreciate his knowledge and how he presents himself on this board.

[tenbears1971]

Preseason. Injuries on the O-Line. Put the torches and pitchforks away for a few games.

[Smonroe]

Kyle Shanahan.............

...coach killer...

[Black-Vell]

Kyle Shanahan.............

Are you saying he's on the hot seat now in CLE? (which isnt true) Because didnt he get fired WITH his Dad in WAS?

[NewColtsFan]

I'm not disagreeing with you but if something isn't working then it's time to change it and the running game hasn't worked. So if what your saying is only true if the running game is working a little over two yards a carry simply means it's not working.  But I understand all the method to the madness crap.  

 

The Colts at least have to try to run effectively.    We have to make the effort.    Otherwise,  we've made ourselves one dimensional and Luck will be easier to defend when he's passing.     We have to try and run.     We're only going to get better at it if we make the commitment to it.

 

On the front page of the website, in the story about 7 things to look for in the game vs. the Saints,  there's a prominent mention about the running game.     So,  it's coming tonight.     You know it,  I know it,  the Saints know it,   and all of us here know it.

It's coming,  and hopefully the team runs a little better tonight......

[Black-Vell]

Coordinators (Offensive, Defensive) are on the "hot seat" plenty or else none would get fired, Having some input on an offensive game plan is much different then the system being Peps, Also I think its a fair assessment that coach Pagano wasn't brought in to be a HC because he has a great Offensive mind, Would you trust a coach with no experience as a offensive position coach let alone an offensive coordinator? I wouldn't

The answer to your question is the the same as the answer to mine.....which was the reason I originally asked the question in the 1st place. Also, there are plenty of coordinators that get fired without being on a hot seat, so saying that because coordinators get fired there must be a hot seat is flawed logic.

 

To tie this back to Pep and agree with what I believe you were trying to say.....yes......the OC is always on a "hot seat" by his own fanbase, but that is not an accurate assessment for our team up to this point. I would personally say the DC's seat should be alot warmer due to way less injuries to deal with, but hey.........i think we can agree that I'm also just a Colts fan wanting more wins. 

[antipatriot]

Pep is just the OC.    He doesn't work in a vacuum.

 

He's got people he has to answer to.    Namely a head coach and a general manager.

 

If they're not happy with what he's doing,  I'd expect they'll say so.

 

And while you may not be happy with the emphasis on the running game,  I don't think you'll argue that our OL isn't what we'd like it to be just yet.

 

So,  the goal is to run effectively enough to slow down any pass rush that Luck has to deal with. 

 

If all we're doing is throwing the ball 40-45 times a game,  Luck's job will become much, much harder.

 

We run to help Luck and to also take pressure off the defense by eating up clock.

 

There's a method to what seems like madness......

It is a double edged sword if you either run to setup the pass or pass to set up the run when you have a line like ours that is well below average at run blocking and just average pass blocking.  As far as Pep and it seems Pagano go at least they finally realized we are not and can not be a power running team we do not have the line for it, and our QB is to good to waste on that type of game plan anyway.  Use the talent you have and that will make a winning team - see the Manning era, see the NO Saints, See the NE Patriots, Seahawks and so on, they all adjust the scheme to the talent.  We seem to be leaning that way so far this preseason and it is refreshing.

[Gavin]

The Colts at least have to try to run effectively.    We have to make the effort.    Otherwise,  we've made ourselves one dimensional and Luck will be easier to defend when he's passing.     We have to try and run.     We're only going to get better at it if we make the commitment to it.

 

On the front page of the website, in the story about 7 things to look for in the game vs. the Saints,  there's a prominent mention about the running game.     So,  it's coming tonight.     You know it,  I know it,  the Saints know it,   and all of us here know it.

It's coming,  and hopefully the team runs a little better tonight......

Unfortunately there is plenty of things that we are NOT doing much of at all that could help free up the run game, QB roll outs, Crossing Routes behind Interior Linebackers to force them to peel back from the LOS as well as Safeties, Half Back Delays, Slant Routes behind the ILB's, Using more variety in our Blocking...The team doesn't use Angle Blocking it seems almost at all

[ColtsBlueFL]

will pep game plan to the strengths of the talent he has, or use his own system and expect the talent to fit in?

 

Not sure how the Colts run their system  But a good way some teams do is-  The head coach watches film of his and the other team and determines what areas sections of the offense play book (not specific plays) is likely to have more success vs. the next opponent and what areas to fix in order to be successful on D and O. OC is to take those sections and come up with the game plan, and incorporate specific plays based on tendencies and down and distance..  Many OC' divide the other dutiies up to asst coaches.  An asst. coach may take on first and second down tendencies, three receiver formations,  and the 5 and 2 minute game plans.  Another coach may be in charge of pass protections and making sure they are sound against all of the opponents blitzes. Another asst will handle goal line packages, while other coaches might  further break down film  of the overall defensive alignments and tendencies,  then enter that data into a computer so that the coaches can surmise down and distance and situational stats and percentages.

 

In today's NFL, there is too much to be all on one persons plate, including HC.  But HC can also do play calling if the background is Offensively oriented.  Rarely do defense specialty Head Coaches take on O game planning and game calling.  And very few OC handle all of the film and game planning.  All these coaches have their duties, but are also tightly knit into the coaches circle. They work together to get a new game plan quickly, and teach it out on the field.

 

In the end, it is Peps playbook, that is modified by input form the HC and even some asst. coaches.  And it is the OC responsibility to come up with new plays (that put players in a position to succeed).   I hope Pep continues to evolve in his duties.

[HtownColt]

Soooo....what you are basically saying is that every week Pep sits in a room by himself and makes up the offensive gameplan and no one weighs in on it? If you were a head coach, is this how you would operate YOUR team? Funny, i've never heard of an OC on the "hot seat" before, IND is a very unique place i guess. Listen, the OC is only responsible for how, the head coach is responsible for the why.

C Pagano says "we need to get H Nicks isolated on the backside of our 31 sets", Pep goes into his system and translates that into the actual terminology for A Luck.

As far as Pep's "system" not working, we were top 3 in starters lost to injury last year and Pep had the same record Coach of the Year B Arians had. This seems like an offseason thread, not one for a time when we are actually able to see the team resonding to OUR OFF & DEF systems.

He sits in a room along with the rest of the offensive staff and come up with a gameplan to exploit the oppenent a weaknesses based on the system he put in place. Doesn't matter what version of it you see it's still his system

[Nobody]

Yup, additionally - he seems ready to bolt at a moments notice - and I am sorry - there is not a college head coaching job in the UNIVERSE that is more fun or challenging than working with our beloved Colts. He should be kissing the ground every day he is here instead of sniffing out college jobs. I don't care if some consider it an upgrade for him to be a HEAD COACH in college, a few successful years with the Colts and he will be getting NFL head coaching offers.

 

Just my opinion, as always I could be wrong.

 

Fire up the flamethrowers, but I will never understand. Cmon Vanderbilt? You have to be kidding me. What an embarrassing joke and no wonder they grabbed Chud.

 

ColtsHappy

He turned them down, coaches are allowed to look around, jeeze. And an SEC HC job is nothing to scoff at. 

[Black-Vell]

He sits in a room along with the rest of the offensive staff and come up with a gameplan to exploit the oppenent a weaknesses based on the system he put in place. Doesn't matter what version of it you see it's still his system

Ok........you might want to reread the post you took my quote from.

Not only did I never imply that it was not Pep's "system", i referred to our system AS Pep's "system" twice. So unless i don't understand what you are saying, (which is possible) to reference the future,a "like" is all that's necessary when you agree with someones post. Or maybe only quote the part of the post you are addressing to alleviate confusion. Thanks, Go Colts.

[ColtsHappy]

He turned them down, coaches are allowed to look around, jeeze. And an SEC HC job is nothing to scoff at. 

Yes, he is allowed to look around at ALL the college coaching jobs and I am sure he will - I therefore, should be allowed to question his loyalty, which I do. Apparently, I am not the only one - hence the Chud hiring.

 

ColtsHappy

[Nobody]

Yes, he is allowed to look around at ALL the college coaching jobs and I am sure he will - I therefore, should be allowed to question his loyalty, which I do. Apparently, I am not the only one - hence the Chud hiring.

ColtsHappy

LOL

[coltsfanatic24]

I think Pep called some good plays last night, the o-line just didn't give Luck much time to throw it.