Dline, snaps per pressure for Colts players and a some upcoming free agents.

[Solid84]

In the "2024 Important NFL Off-Season Dates…." thread I posted this as a response to whether or not the Colts should consider bringing in Chase Young:

 

 

Just for poops and giggles I decided to dig a little deeper here and include some upcoming non-Colts free agents. There's no agenda with this, I just like digging around in these numbers and thought it could create some disussion.

 

If you have other stats or the like you'd like for me to look up just ask.

 

The above example was using the players' total snaps. PFF divides these into Run defense and Pass rush snaps (and Coverage snaps if they have any). I think using the actual Pass rush snaps would be a better idea, so that's what I'm going with here.

 

The following is some basic calculations on how many Pass rush snaps these guys needed to create pressure (Sacks, Hits and Hurries) in the 2023/2024 season - Lower is better:

Colts players:

• DeForest Buckner
  • Pass rush snaps: 495
  • Total Pressures: 52
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.52
• Samson Ebukam
  • Pass rush snaps: 450
  • Total Pressures: 48
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.38
• Tyquan Lewis
  • Pass rush snaps: 259
  • Total Pressures: 44
  • Snaps per Pressure: 5.89
• Dayo Odeyingbo
  • Pass rush snaps: 365
  • Total Pressures: 29
  • Snaps per Pressure: 12.59
• Kwity Paye
  • Pass rush snaps: 410
  • Total Pressures: 28
  • Snaps per Pressure: 14.64
• Grover Stewart
  • Pass rush snaps: 218
  • Total Pressures: 15
  • Snaps per Pressure: 14.53

 

Lewis has been really good. But he's been a rotational piece, so it's not certain his prodcution would scale. I would like to see a lot more of him though.

 

Noteworthy Dline free agents 2024:

DTs:

• Chris Jones, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 482
  • Total Pressures: 75
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.43
• Justin Madubuike, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 512
  • Total Pressures: 64
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.52
• Christian Wilkins, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 563
  • Total Pressures: 58
  • Snaps per Pressure: 8.00
• DJ Reader, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 314
  • Total Pressures: 34
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.24
• Leonard Williams, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 221
  • Total Pressures: 22
  • Snaps per Pressure: 10.05
• Fletcher Cox, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 480
  • Total Pressures: 43
  • Snaps per Pressure: 11.16

 

Chris Jones is off the charts man. Heard rumours he wanted $30m/year - yikes!

 

DEs:

• Danielle Hunter, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 613
  • Total Pressures: 80
  • Snaps per Pressure: 7.66
• Chase Young, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 480
  • Total Pressures: 66
  • Snaps per Pressure: 7.27
• Josh Allen, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 513
  • Total Pressures: 90
  • Snaps per Pressure: 5.70
• Brian Burns, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 379
  • Total Pressures: 40
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.48
• Jadeveon Clowney, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 482
  • Total Pressures: 71
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.79
• Bryce Huff, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 334
  • Total Pressures: 67
  • Snaps per Pressure: 4.99
• Jonathan Greenard, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 405
  • Total Pressures: 48
  • Snaps per Pressure: 8.44

• Andrew Van Ginkel, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 321
  • Total Pressures: 53
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.06

 

Josh Allen and Van Ginkel (Who, I'll be honest, I've never heard of..) have done well. Both are OLBs though, so not sure how they would fit in our scheme? From his total snap counts it looks like Bryce Huff is a rotational piece a la Lewis. His prodcution might not scale.

 

Again, I didn't do this to prove a point or to say we need to go get player x. I just like digging around in these numbers. If there are stats for other positions groups you'd like me to look up I'll gladly do it.

[richard pallo]

26 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

In the "2024 Important NFL Off-Season Dates…." thread I posted this as a response to whether or not the Colts should consider bringing in Chase Young:

 

 

Just for poops and giggles I decided to dig a little deeper here and include some upcoming non-Colts free agents. There's no agenda with this, I just like digging around in these numbers and thought it could create some disussion.

 

If you have other stats or the like you'd like for me to look up just ask.

 

The above example was using the players' total snaps. PFF divides these into Run defense and Pass rush snaps (and Coverage snaps if they have any). I think using the actual Pass rush snaps would be a better idea, so that's what I'm going with here.

 

The following is some basic calculations on how many Pass rush snaps these guys needed to create pressure (Sacks, Hits and Hurries) in the 2023/2024 season - Lower is better:

Colts players:

• DeForest Buckner
  • Pass rush snaps: 495
  • Total Pressures: 52
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.52
• Samson Ebukam
  • Pass rush snaps: 450
  • Total Pressures: 48
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.38
• Tyquan Lewis
  • Pass rush snaps: 259
  • Total Pressures: 44
  • Snaps per Pressure: 5.89
• Dayo Odeyingbo
  • Pass rush snaps: 365
  • Total Pressures: 29
  • Snaps per Pressure: 12.59
• Kwity Paye
  • Pass rush snaps: 410
  • Total Pressures: 28
  • Snaps per Pressure: 14.64
• Grover Stewart
  • Pass rush snaps: 218
  • Total Pressures: 15
  • Snaps per Pressure: 14.53

 

Lewis has been really good. But he's been a rotational piece, so it's not certain his prodcution would scale. I would like to see a lot more of him though.

 

Noteworthy Dline free agents 2024:

DTs:

• Chris Jones, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 482
  • Total Pressures: 75
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.43
• Justin Madubuike, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 512
  • Total Pressures: 64
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.52
• Christian Wilkins, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 563
  • Total Pressures: 58
  • Snaps per Pressure: 8.00
• DJ Reader, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 314
  • Total Pressures: 34
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.24
• Leonard Williams, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 221
  • Total Pressures: 22
  • Snaps per Pressure: 10.05
• Fletcher Cox, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 480
  • Total Pressures: 43
  • Snaps per Pressure: 11.16

 

Chris Jones is off the charts man. Heard rumours he wanted $30m/year - yikes!

 

DEs:

• Danielle Hunter, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 613
  • Total Pressures: 80
  • Snaps per Pressure: 7.66
• Chase Young, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 480
  • Total Pressures: 66
  • Snaps per Pressure: 7.27
• Josh Allen, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 513
  • Total Pressures: 90
  • Snaps per Pressure: 5.70
• Brian Burns, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 379
  • Total Pressures: 40
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.48
• Jadeveon Clowney, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 482
  • Total Pressures: 71
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.79
• Bryce Huff, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 334
  • Total Pressures: 67
  • Snaps per Pressure: 4.99
• Jonathan Greenard, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 405
  • Total Pressures: 48
  • Snaps per Pressure: 8.44

• Andrew Van Ginkel, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 321
  • Total Pressures: 53
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.06

 

Josh Allen and Van Ginkel (Who, I'll be honest, I've never heard of..) have done well. Both are OLBs though, so not sure how they would fit in our scheme? From his total snap counts it looks like Bryce Huff is a rotational piece a la Lewis. His prodcution might not scale.

 

Again, I didn't do this to prove a point or to say we need to go get player x. I just like digging around in these numbers. If there are stats for other positions groups you'd like me to look up I'll gladly do it.

Curious.  I would be interested in Yannick’s numbers.  He did have something like 9 sacks here but we did not resign him.

 

[Solid84]

4 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Curious.  I would be interested in Yannick’s numbers.  He did have something like 9 sacks here but we did not resign him.

 

I'll post them here as well, to keep it here and not derail the other thread further:

 

Ngakoue had 435 Pass rush snaps (733 total) and 44 total pressures. 9.86 Pass rush snaps per pressure.

[richard pallo]

Just now, Solid84 said:

I'll post them here as well, to keep it here and not derail the other thread further:

 

Ngakoue had 435 Pass rush snaps (733 total) and 44 total pressures. 9.86 Pass rush snaps per pressure.

Thanks.  I posted my question while you were posting the answer in the other thread.  Now that I see them I think you might have hit on something with Lewis.  He does have a motor and is very productive when he’s on the field.  I think we need to resign him and give him more opportunities next year.  His numbers truly jump out.

[holeymoley99]

34 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Curious.  I would be interested in Yannick’s numbers.  He did have something like 9 sacks here but we did not resign him.

 

Yannick was very bad vs the run, his total pff score with us last year was a bad 51.4 this year he regressed to 39.9 (Ranked 2nd to last out of 114 players)

 

Ebukum who replaced him had a 69.1 last year and this year for us a 84.4 (16 of 1114).

 

Huge upgrade probably biggest of any position on club I would guess.

[compuls1v3]

16 hours ago, Solid84 said:

In the "2024 Important NFL Off-Season Dates…." thread I posted this as a response to whether or not the Colts should consider bringing in Chase Young:

 

 

Just for poops and giggles I decided to dig a little deeper here and include some upcoming non-Colts free agents. There's no agenda with this, I just like digging around in these numbers and thought it could create some disussion.

 

If you have other stats or the like you'd like for me to look up just ask.

 

The above example was using the players' total snaps. PFF divides these into Run defense and Pass rush snaps (and Coverage snaps if they have any). I think using the actual Pass rush snaps would be a better idea, so that's what I'm going with here.

 

The following is some basic calculations on how many Pass rush snaps these guys needed to create pressure (Sacks, Hits and Hurries) in the 2023/2024 season - Lower is better:

Colts players:

• DeForest Buckner
  • Pass rush snaps: 495
  • Total Pressures: 52
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.52
• Samson Ebukam
  • Pass rush snaps: 450
  • Total Pressures: 48
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.38
• Tyquan Lewis
  • Pass rush snaps: 259
  • Total Pressures: 44
  • Snaps per Pressure: 5.89
• Dayo Odeyingbo
  • Pass rush snaps: 365
  • Total Pressures: 29
  • Snaps per Pressure: 12.59
• Kwity Paye
  • Pass rush snaps: 410
  • Total Pressures: 28
  • Snaps per Pressure: 14.64
• Grover Stewart
  • Pass rush snaps: 218
  • Total Pressures: 15
  • Snaps per Pressure: 14.53

 

Lewis has been really good. But he's been a rotational piece, so it's not certain his prodcution would scale. I would like to see a lot more of him though.

 

Noteworthy Dline free agents 2024:

DTs:

• Chris Jones, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 482
  • Total Pressures: 75
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.43
• Justin Madubuike, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 512
  • Total Pressures: 64
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.52
• Christian Wilkins, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 563
  • Total Pressures: 58
  • Snaps per Pressure: 8.00
• DJ Reader, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 314
  • Total Pressures: 34
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.24
• Leonard Williams, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 221
  • Total Pressures: 22
  • Snaps per Pressure: 10.05
• Fletcher Cox, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 480
  • Total Pressures: 43
  • Snaps per Pressure: 11.16

 

Chris Jones is off the charts man. Heard rumours he wanted $30m/year - yikes!

 

DEs:

• Danielle Hunter, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 613
  • Total Pressures: 80
  • Snaps per Pressure: 7.66
• Chase Young, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 480
  • Total Pressures: 66
  • Snaps per Pressure: 7.27
• Josh Allen, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 513
  • Total Pressures: 90
  • Snaps per Pressure: 5.70
• Brian Burns, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 379
  • Total Pressures: 40
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.48
• Jadeveon Clowney, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 482
  • Total Pressures: 71
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.79
• Bryce Huff, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 334
  • Total Pressures: 67
  • Snaps per Pressure: 4.99
• Jonathan Greenard, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 405
  • Total Pressures: 48
  • Snaps per Pressure: 8.44

• Andrew Van Ginkel, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 321
  • Total Pressures: 53
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.06

 

Josh Allen and Van Ginkel (Who, I'll be honest, I've never heard of..) have done well. Both are OLBs though, so not sure how they would fit in our scheme? From his total snap counts it looks like Bryce Huff is a rotational piece a la Lewis. His prodcution might not scale.

 

Again, I didn't do this to prove a point or to say we need to go get player x. I just like digging around in these numbers. If there are stats for other positions groups you'd like me to look up I'll gladly do it.

I think Van Ginkel is with the Dolphins.   I recognize him from the HBO NFL show.

[SOMDColtsfan]

My eyes must deceive me, Dayo looks like he's putting some amount of pressure every other snap. Surprised at his number.

[Solid84]

11 minutes ago, SOMDColtsfan said:

My eyes must deceive me, Dayo looks like he's putting some amount of pressure every other snap. Surprised at his number.

Your eyes do. Dayo has been one of our least consistent at getting pressure.

 

---------------------------------

 

Going off this I wanted to check Dayo's and Lewis' snaps by postion

 

Dayo gets the most of his snaps at end or edge:

• LE (Left end) 97,
• LEO (Left end outside tackle) 263,
• RE (right end) 12,
• REO (right end outside tackle) 134

He does have some snaps at tackle though (101 total of 623 total snaps).

 

Lewis also gets more snaps at end or edge:

• LE 69
• LEO 141
• RE 33
• REO 132

Lewis also has tackle snaps, but fewer than Dayo (43 total of 437).

 

While Dayo does get more tackle snaps, Lewis just seems to get far more pressure on his snaps than Dayo.

[tweezy32]

i think we need to sign best DE out there in FA. 

[KB]

16 minutes ago, tweezy32 said:

i think we need to sign best DE out there in FA. 

That would be Josh Allen, Brian Burns, and Danielle Hunter. Hunter is the only one that will hit FA most likely. He is 29 so it might be a good signing, but I'll bet he dosnt come here unless we throw the bank at him. Which we shouldn't. 

[Solid84]

Just for fun:

 

• Myles Garrett: 501 Pass rush snaps. 86 total pressures. 5.83 snaps per pressure.
• Micah Parson: 513 Pass rush snaps. 103 total pressures. 4.98 snaps per pressure.
• Nick Bosa: 567 Pass rush snaps. 95 total pressures. 5.97
• Maxx Crossby: 657 Pass rush snaps. 94 total pressures. 6.99
• TJ Watt: 551 Pass rush snaps. 86 total pressures. 6.41

Parson man… just on another level. Has more total pressures than our top 2 guys combined. 

[richard pallo]

5 minutes ago, KB said:

That would be Josh Allen, Brian Burns, and Danielle Hunter. Hunter is the only one that will hit FA most likely. He is 29 so it might be a good signing, but I'll bet he dosnt come here unless we throw the bank at him. Which we shouldn't. 

Hunter is the only one I see hitting FA.  He is in his prime at 29.  Like Buckner if you have a shot you pay him.  He’s a playmaker and difference maker.   Perfect year to bring in a player of Hunters caliber.  We will not regret it if we do.

[Hark]

Great thread going here. To me Van Ginkel would be a very Ballard-esque signing if be believes the kid can really play. Hunter would also be great. If they are keeping Gus with his completely undisguised, soft zone on the back end, you must have a game-wrecker coming off the edge. Otherwise we will get the same thing we got this year. I thought our pass rush was pretty decent, but it is not nearly good enough with our back end scheme.

[Solid84]

It’s worth keeping in mind that just because a guy is a free agent it doesn’t mean he (let alone the team) necessarily wants to leave. 

[Hark]

3 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

It’s worth keeping in mind that just because a guy is a free agent it doesn’t mean he (let alone the team) necessarily wants to leave. 

For sure. It's fun to dream, though.

[EasyE]

I would love Young and I would love having Myles Garrett over him. I would love to find our best new beast in the draft though. I know it's a crapshoot.

[lollygagger8]

I wish we could just

 

.....you know.......

 

like......

 

.......draft a good one 

[smittywerb]

As I said in the other thread, throw the bag at Chase Young.  If not, I’m down for Allen.  Would say Bryce huff but he’s probably gonna get the franchise tag.

 

Thank you for this.  Reassures what I’ve been thinking.  We have the money and chance to go and get someone that can go get the qb.  Hoping Ballard doesn’t “like our guys” and go grab one of the two I mentioned above.  Hoping Paye gets replaced with one of them.

[Boondoggle]

Hunter is a guy fans of just about every team are citing as a FA target but I've never been too impressed with him.  He has games where I'll say ok yeah this guy can ball but he disappears too much for my taste.  Pay a guy like that top money at great risk.

 

Chase Young is even worse.  He's got the talent but whoever pays him is going to be enormously disappointed.

 

I don't see any edge types that I'd throw a bag of money at on the market.  What I'd do is throw money at other positions of need and draft my edge this year.  For myself both edge and wideout fall in that category.

[Hark]

It's a tough spot. IMO, FA edge rushers tend to get overpaid vs. their production, so you would prefer to daft one. However, while I am a pro-Chris Ballard guy, he and his staff have not had great success with DE's in the draft.

[Matabix]

On 1/10/2024 at 4:49 PM, Solid84 said:

In the "2024 Important NFL Off-Season Dates…." thread I posted this as a response to whether or not the Colts should consider bringing in Chase Young:

 

 

Just for poops and giggles I decided to dig a little deeper here and include some upcoming non-Colts free agents. There's no agenda with this, I just like digging around in these numbers and thought it could create some disussion.

 

If you have other stats or the like you'd like for me to look up just ask.

 

The above example was using the players' total snaps. PFF divides these into Run defense and Pass rush snaps (and Coverage snaps if they have any). I think using the actual Pass rush snaps would be a better idea, so that's what I'm going with here.

 

The following is some basic calculations on how many Pass rush snaps these guys needed to create pressure (Sacks, Hits and Hurries) in the 2023/2024 season - Lower is better:

Colts players:

• DeForest Buckner
  • Pass rush snaps: 495
  • Total Pressures: 52
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.52
• Samson Ebukam
  • Pass rush snaps: 450
  • Total Pressures: 48
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.38
• Tyquan Lewis
  • Pass rush snaps: 259
  • Total Pressures: 44
  • Snaps per Pressure: 5.89
• Dayo Odeyingbo
  • Pass rush snaps: 365
  • Total Pressures: 29
  • Snaps per Pressure: 12.59
• Kwity Paye
  • Pass rush snaps: 410
  • Total Pressures: 28
  • Snaps per Pressure: 14.64
• Grover Stewart
  • Pass rush snaps: 218
  • Total Pressures: 15
  • Snaps per Pressure: 14.53

 

Lewis has been really good. But he's been a rotational piece, so it's not certain his prodcution would scale. I would like to see a lot more of him though.

 

Noteworthy Dline free agents 2024:

DTs:

• Chris Jones, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 482
  • Total Pressures: 75
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.43
• Justin Madubuike, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 512
  • Total Pressures: 64
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.52
• Christian Wilkins, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 563
  • Total Pressures: 58
  • Snaps per Pressure: 8.00
• DJ Reader, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 314
  • Total Pressures: 34
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.24
• Leonard Williams, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 221
  • Total Pressures: 22
  • Snaps per Pressure: 10.05
• Fletcher Cox, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 480
  • Total Pressures: 43
  • Snaps per Pressure: 11.16

 

Chris Jones is off the charts man. Heard rumours he wanted $30m/year - yikes!

 

DEs:

• Danielle Hunter, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 613
  • Total Pressures: 80
  • Snaps per Pressure: 7.66
• Chase Young, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 480
  • Total Pressures: 66
  • Snaps per Pressure: 7.27
• Josh Allen, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 513
  • Total Pressures: 90
  • Snaps per Pressure: 5.70
• Brian Burns, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 379
  • Total Pressures: 40
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.48
• Jadeveon Clowney, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 482
  • Total Pressures: 71
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.79
• Bryce Huff, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 334
  • Total Pressures: 67
  • Snaps per Pressure: 4.99
• Jonathan Greenard, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 405
  • Total Pressures: 48
  • Snaps per Pressure: 8.44

• Andrew Van Ginkel, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 321
  • Total Pressures: 53
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.06

 

Josh Allen and Van Ginkel (Who, I'll be honest, I've never heard of..) have done well. Both are OLBs though, so not sure how they would fit in our scheme? From his total snap counts it looks like Bryce Huff is a rotational piece a la Lewis. His prodcution might not scale.

 

Again, I didn't do this to prove a point or to say we need to go get player x. I just like digging around in these numbers. If there are stats for other positions groups you'd like me to look up I'll gladly do it.

Anyway you can do this for some college prospects? Love the work you do for us, it doesn't go unnoticed. Thank you.

[smittywerb]

16 hours ago, Boondoggle said:

 

 

Chase Young is even worse.  He's got the talent but whoever pays him is going to be enormously disappointed.

 

 

How is chase young even worse when he has one of the lowest snaps to pressure rates listed above and his rate is literally half of the player he’d be replacing?  Maybe he doesn’t have the stats to pop off at you but his impact is there.
 

I do get what you’re saying, but at certain point you’re either going to do what you have to do to fill a need or sit back and lose time trying to draft or sign the right player.  If not chase young, we’re going to be spending money on someone else.  As Ballard mentioned in his presser, it’s all about if they even hit the market.

[Solid84]

5 hours ago, Matabix said:

Anyway you can do this for some college prospects? Love the work you do for us, it doesn't go unnoticed. Thank you.

I can try. As long as PFF has their stats. Anyone in particular?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Colts need to bring back Lewis.  Hid pressure stats are good and he affected a lot of plays this season.

[richard pallo]

6 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Colts need to bring back Lewis.  Hid pressure taste id good and he affected a lot of plays this season.

He’s a no brainer for me.

[Smonroe]

We were 5th in the NFL in sacks.  I say this not as a reason that we shouldn’t bring somebody in.  I wholeheartedly agree we should.  It would make Bradley’s D at least bearable.  

 

I say this because come FA time, this is what we’ll be hearing as to why we didn’t make a run at Chase, or any of the guys brought up in this thread.  
 

We know Ballard, he’s not going to change his spots.  

[Matabix]

2 hours ago, Solid84 said:

I can try. As long as PFF has their stats. Anyone in particular?

Don't watch much college. I'm looking at best pass rush. We need a 3rd down specialist. Idk if they set the edge.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Lewis was better than Paye this year.

[Boondoggle]

8 hours ago, smittywerb said:

How is chase young even worse when he has one of the lowest snaps to pressure rates listed above and his rate is literally half of the player he’d be replacing?  Maybe he doesn’t have the stats to pop off at you but his impact is there.
 

I do get what you’re saying, but at certain point you’re either going to do what you have to do to fill a need or sit back and lose time trying to draft or sign the right player.  If not chase young, we’re going to be spending money on someone else.  As Ballard mentioned in his presser, it’s all about if they even hit the market.

Young is lazy.  The moment he gets paid he'll have his mind on everything but production on the field.

 

Hell of a talent by the way.  But I'd hate to see the Colts sign him.  I don't think that player is ever going to prioritize the right things.

[Solid84]

2 hours ago, Matabix said:

Don't watch much college. I'm looking at best pass rush. We need a 3rd down specialist. Idk if they set the edge.

Stats for some of the top DE draft prospects. I don't watch any college football, so this is based entirely on PFFs rankings of DEs. Some of them may be better suited as OLBs, some may be tweeners.

 

All stats are from the 2023 season.

 

DEs:

• Dallas Turner, DE, Alabama -- 6'4" 242lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle. 
  • Total pressures: 55 (11 sacks, 11 hits, 33 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 292
  • Snaps per pressure: 5.31
• Jared Verse, DE, Florida State -- 6'4" 260lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 60 (11 sacks, 14 hits, 35 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 329
  • Snaps per pressure: 5.48
• Laiatu Latu, DE, UCLA -- 6'5" 265lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 64 (15 sacks, 11 hits, 38 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 307
  • Snaps per pressure: 4.7
• Chris Braswell, DE, Alabama -- 6'3" 255lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 56 (13 sacks, 10 hits, 33 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 309
  • Snaps per pressure: 5.52
• Bralen Trice, DE, Washington -- 6'4" 274lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 78 (8 sacks, 17 hits, 53 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 534
  • Snaps per pressure: 6.85
• JT Tuimoloau, DE, Ohio State -- 6'4" 270lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 37 (4 sacks, 4 hits, 29 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 340
  • Snaps per pressure: 9.19
• Jonah Elliss, DE, Utah -- 6'2" 246lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 39 (13 sacks, 2 hits, 24 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 332
  • Snaps per pressure: 8.51
• Chop Robinson, DE, Penn State -- 6'3" 250lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 26 (3 sacks, 5 hits, 18 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 303
  • Snaps per pressure: 11.65
• Adisa Isaac, DE, Penn State -- 6'4" 254lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 33 (9 sacks, 4 hits, 20 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 208
  • Snaps per pressure: 6.30

DTs:

• Jer'Shawn Newton, DT, Illinios -- 6'2" 295lbs -- mainly lined up in B gap and over tackle (about equal).
  • Total pressures: 43 (8 sacks, 7 hits, 28 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 398
  • Snaps per pressure: 9.26
• Leonard Taylor, DT, Miami -- 6'3" 305lbs -- mainly lined up in A gap and B gap.
  • Total pressures: 33 (1 sacks, 3 hits, 17 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 202
  • Snaps per pressure: 6.12
• Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas -- 6'1" 308lbs -- mainly lined up in B gap and A gap.
  • Total pressures: 45 (6 sacks, 3 hits, 36 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 273
  • Snaps per pressure: 6.07
• Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan -- 6'3" 305lbs -- mainly lined up in B gap and over tackle.
  • Total pressures: 20 (2 sacks, 0 hits, 18 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 227
  • Snaps per pressure: 11.35
• Brandon Dorlus, DT, Oregon -- 6'3" 290lbs -- mainly lined up in B gap, over tackle and outside tackle.
  • Total pressures: 46 (4 sacks, 7 hits, 35 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 384
  • Snaps per pressure: 8.35
• Mehki Wingo, DT, LSU -- 6'1" 295lbs -- mainly lined up in B gap.
  • Total pressures: 19 (5 sacks, 2 hits, 12 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 239
  • Snaps per pressure: 12.58
• T'Vondre Sweat, DT, Texas -- 6'4" 362lbs -- mainly lined up in B gap.
  • Total pressures: 30 (2 sacks, 3 hits, 25 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 309
  • Snaps per pressure: 10.3
• Ruke Orhorhoro, DT, Clemson -- 6'4" 295lbs -- mainly lined up in B gap.
  • Total pressures: 26 (5 sacks, 4 hits, 17 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 235
  • Snaps per pressure: 9.04
• Maason Smith, DT, Penn State -- 6'6" 315lbs -- mainly lined up in B gap.
  • Total pressures: 23 (3 sacks, 2 hits, 18 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 345
  • Snaps per pressure: 15.0

Some guys we know for reference - college production:

• Kwity Paye - '20 stats, DE, Michigan -- 6'2" 265lbs -- mainly lined up outside tackle.
  • Total pressures: 22 (2 sacks, 4 hits, 16 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 138
  • Snaps per pressure: 6.27
• Kwity Paye - '19 stats, DE, Michigan -- 6'2" 265lbs -- mainly lined up outside tackle.
  • Total pressures: 37 (5 sacks, 8 hits, 24 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 316
  • Snaps per pressure: 8.54
• Dayo Odeyingbo - '20 stats, DE, Vanderbilt -- 6'6" 286lbs -- mainly lined up outside tackle.
  • Total pressures: 25 (5 sacks, 8 hits, 12 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 247
  • Snaps per pressure: 9.88
• Dayo Odeyingbo - '19 stats, DE, Vanderbilt -- 6'6" 286lbs -- mainly lined up outside tackle, B gap and over tackle.
  • Total pressures: 35 (3 sacks, 9 hits, 23 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 317
  • Snaps per pressure: 9.06
• Tyquan Lewis, DE, Ohio State -- 6'3" 267lbs -- mainly lined up outside tackle.
  • Total pressures: 38 (7 sacks, 9 hits, 22 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 328
  • Snaps per pressure: 8.63
• Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M -- 6'4" 272lbs -- mainly lined up outside tackle.
  • Total pressures: 53 (9 sacks, 15 hits, 29 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 327
  • Snaps per pressure: 6.17
• Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State -- 6'3" 245lbs -- mainly lined up Box and as OLB.
  • Total pressures: 26 (5 sacks, 8 hits, 13 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 94
  • Snaps per pressure: 3.62
• Nick Bosa - '17, DE, Ohio State -- 6'4" 266lbs -- mainly lined up outside tackle.
  • Total pressures: 66 (9 sacks, 12 hits, 45 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 336
  • Snaps per pressure: 5.09
• TJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin -- 6'4" 252lbs -- mainly lined up as OLB.
  • Total pressures: 57 (10 sacks, 16 hits, 31 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 278
  • Snaps per pressure: 4.78

[Solid84]

I made a boo boo with Chop Robinson above - used total snaps instead of pass rush snaps. Should be:

• Chop Robinson, DE, Penn State -- 6'3" 250lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 26 (3 sacks, 5 hits, 18 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 148
  • Snaps per pressure: 5.69

Significantly better!

[richard pallo]

34 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

I made a boo boo with Chop Robinson above - used total snaps instead of pass rush snaps. Should be:

• Chop Robinson, DE, Penn State -- 6'3" 250lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 26 (3 sacks, 5 hits, 18 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 148
  • Snaps per pressure: 5.69

Significantly better!

Any chance you could check out AJ Espensa  the DE on the Bills.  He’s a FA.  Thanks.

[Solid84]

17 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Any chance you could check out AJ Espensa  the DE on the Bills.  He’s a FA.  Thanks.

2023 season:

 

• AJ Epenesa, DE, Bills -- 6'6" 260lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 29 (7 sacks, 4 hits, 18 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 221
  • Snaps per pressure: 7.62

[Solid84]

2 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

2023 season:

 

• AJ Epenesa, DE, Bills -- 6'6" 260lbs -- mainly lined up outside the tackle.
  • Total pressures: 29 (7 sacks, 4 hits, 18 hurries)
  • Pass rush snaps: 221
  • Snaps per pressure: 7.62

Looking at his snaps he's like Lewis - a rotational player. In that regard he's done ok I think. Not sure he's a starting DE though.

[richard pallo]

10 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

Looking at his snaps he's like Lewis - a rotational player. In that regard he's done ok I think. Not sure he's a starting DE though.

I was thinking the same thing.  He’s done pretty well.  Some team will probably give him an opportunity.  

[SaturdayAllDay]

On 1/12/2024 at 12:30 PM, Boondoggle said:

Young is lazy.  The moment he gets paid he'll have his mind on everything but production on the field.

 

Hell of a talent by the way.  But I'd hate to see the Colts sign him.  I don't think that player is ever going to prioritize the right things.

Just saw this report and thought back to this comment. You are 100% correct on this one. If you can't get motivated playing your way to the Superbowl, then it's never going to happen. Giving this guy a huge payday will be a major mistake. 

 

 

[DavePSL]

On 1/10/2024 at 4:49 PM, Solid84 said:

In the "2024 Important NFL Off-Season Dates…." thread I posted this as a response to whether or not the Colts should consider bringing in Chase Young:

 

 

Just for poops and giggles I decided to dig a little deeper here and include some upcoming non-Colts free agents. There's no agenda with this, I just like digging around in these numbers and thought it could create some disussion.

 

If you have other stats or the like you'd like for me to look up just ask.

 

The above example was using the players' total snaps. PFF divides these into Run defense and Pass rush snaps (and Coverage snaps if they have any). I think using the actual Pass rush snaps would be a better idea, so that's what I'm going with here.

 

The following is some basic calculations on how many Pass rush snaps these guys needed to create pressure (Sacks, Hits and Hurries) in the 2023/2024 season - Lower is better:

Colts players:

• DeForest Buckner
  • Pass rush snaps: 495
  • Total Pressures: 52
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.52
• Samson Ebukam
  • Pass rush snaps: 450
  • Total Pressures: 48
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.38
• Tyquan Lewis
  • Pass rush snaps: 259
  • Total Pressures: 44
  • Snaps per Pressure: 5.89
• Dayo Odeyingbo
  • Pass rush snaps: 365
  • Total Pressures: 29
  • Snaps per Pressure: 12.59
• Kwity Paye
  • Pass rush snaps: 410
  • Total Pressures: 28
  • Snaps per Pressure: 14.64
• Grover Stewart
  • Pass rush snaps: 218
  • Total Pressures: 15
  • Snaps per Pressure: 14.53

 

Lewis has been really good. But he's been a rotational piece, so it's not certain his prodcution would scale. I would like to see a lot more of him though.

 

Noteworthy Dline free agents 2024:

DTs:

• Chris Jones, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 482
  • Total Pressures: 75
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.43
• Justin Madubuike, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 512
  • Total Pressures: 64
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.52
• Christian Wilkins, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 563
  • Total Pressures: 58
  • Snaps per Pressure: 8.00
• DJ Reader, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 314
  • Total Pressures: 34
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.24
• Leonard Williams, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 221
  • Total Pressures: 22
  • Snaps per Pressure: 10.05
• Fletcher Cox, DT
  • Pass rush snaps: 480
  • Total Pressures: 43
  • Snaps per Pressure: 11.16

 

Chris Jones is off the charts man. Heard rumours he wanted $30m/year - yikes!

 

DEs:

• Danielle Hunter, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 613
  • Total Pressures: 80
  • Snaps per Pressure: 7.66
• Chase Young, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 480
  • Total Pressures: 66
  • Snaps per Pressure: 7.27
• Josh Allen, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 513
  • Total Pressures: 90
  • Snaps per Pressure: 5.70
• Brian Burns, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 379
  • Total Pressures: 40
  • Snaps per Pressure: 9.48
• Jadeveon Clowney, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 482
  • Total Pressures: 71
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.79
• Bryce Huff, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 334
  • Total Pressures: 67
  • Snaps per Pressure: 4.99
• Jonathan Greenard, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 405
  • Total Pressures: 48
  • Snaps per Pressure: 8.44

• Andrew Van Ginkel, DE
  • Pass rush snaps: 321
  • Total Pressures: 53
  • Snaps per Pressure: 6.06

 

Josh Allen and Van Ginkel (Who, I'll be honest, I've never heard of..) have done well. Both are OLBs though, so not sure how they would fit in our scheme? From his total snap counts it looks like Bryce Huff is a rotational piece a la Lewis. His prodcution might not scale.

 

Again, I didn't do this to prove a point or to say we need to go get player x. I just like digging around in these numbers. If there are stats for other positions groups you'd like me to look up I'll gladly do it.

Great post and good perspective on comparisons. Safe to say we probably don't pick up Payes 5th year option.

[Solid84]

7 minutes ago, DavePSL said:

Great post and good perspective on comparisons. Safe to say we probably don't pick up Payes 5th year option.

Not unless he turns it around this season, but if anything I see him losing snaps to Lewis or maybe Dayo.

[chad72]

On 1/11/2024 at 10:54 AM, Solid84 said:

Just for fun:

 

• Myles Garrett: 501 Pass rush snaps. 86 total pressures. 5.83 snaps per pressure.
• Micah Parson: 513 Pass rush snaps. 103 total pressures. 4.98 snaps per pressure.
• Nick Bosa: 567 Pass rush snaps. 95 total pressures. 5.97
• Maxx Crossby: 657 Pass rush snaps. 94 total pressures. 6.99
• TJ Watt: 551 Pass rush snaps. 86 total pressures. 6.41

Parson man… just on another level. Has more total pressures than our top 2 guys combined. 

Maybe we get his fellow Nittany Lion Chop Robinson in the draft for our pressure chamber.  
 

 

[chad72]

17 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

Not unless he turns it around this season, but if anything I see him losing snaps to Lewis or maybe Dayo.

The 5th year option, how much is it? Our run D at the edges does take a back seat when Paye misses games, hands down. Just have to pay him accordingly, doesn’t mean you bolt now, just can’t pay him like an elite pass rusher in the $20 mil range. Ebukam will get washed out versus the run if you use him for too many snaps, you need DEs of all kinds.

 

EDIT: It’s about $13-14 million range, the 5th year option compared to $20-30 million salaries for mid to elite tier defensive ends. Makes sense to pick it up and see how he does