Top 5 PFF Colts grades vs Miami

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I apologize to the people who don't like PFF in advance  

[shasta519]

Looks about right. Hunt played very well...and the rest of the defense wasn't exceptional. The DL continues to struggle getting pressure on its own...and there were some pretty bad plays on defense that were a team effort (with multiple guys looking bad). 

 

I am surprised that Turay is that high. He only played 1/3 of the snaps, but I don't recall him doing much in those snaps...at least nothing incredibly impactful. I don't think he even registered a tackle. But maybe he was more "disruptive" than it appeared.

 

Speaking of Turay...why is Lewis getting so many more snaps? I guess Turay is the pass rushing specialist and Lewis is the starter now? That seems backward to me. Turay should be starting and Lewis should be coming in to rush from the DT position.

 

It's only been three games...but Lewis looks slow...struggles to get around OTs and doesn't shed blocks very well. Not to be too hasty...but I just don't see it. I would be curious to see what PFF gave him for that game.

 

 

[csmopar]

How is Leonard not on this list?

[Boiler_Colt]

17 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

Looks about right. Hunt played very well...and the rest of the defense wasn't exceptional. The DL continues to struggle getting pressure on its own...and there were some pretty bad plays on defense that were a team effort (with multiple guys looking bad). 

 

I am surprised that Turay is that high. He only played 1/3 of the snaps, but I don't recall him doing much in those snaps...at least nothing incredibly impactful. I don't think he even registered a tackle. But maybe he was more "disruptive" than it appeared.

 

Speaking of Turay...why is Lewis getting so many more snaps? I guess Turay is the pass rushing specialist and Lewis is the starter now? That seems backward to me. Turay should be starting and Lewis should be coming in to rush from the DT position.

 

It's only been three games...but Lewis looks slow...struggles to get around OTs and doesn't shed blocks very well. Not to be too hasty...but I just don't see it. I would be curious to see what PFF gave him for that game.

 

 

Turay only played really on third and long situations and had pressure on a handful of his snaps. He leveled Tannehill right as he got off that deep TD pass to Caroo. Lewis was probably on the field because Miami was consistently in third and short or medium most of the game and he's better against the run.

[HungarianColtsFan]

19 minutes ago, csmopar said:

How is Leonard not on this list?

 

 

He never makes the list. That's PFF.

[NewColtsFan]

6 minutes ago, HungarianColtsFan said:

 

 

He never makes the list. That's PFF.

You know this is 100 percent false?   Right?

 

Not true at all.   But feel free to believe it because it’s your right. 

[ClaytonColt]

26 minutes ago, csmopar said:

How is Leonard not on this list?

I would actually love PFF to do a piece on the things they think Leonard does wrong. 

 

That's not a knock on PFF either, I'm just genuinely interested as to why he doesn't score consistently in the top 5 when he looks so crucial to the naked eye.

[NewColtsFan]

26 minutes ago, csmopar said:

How is Leonard not on this list?

 

Look at the scores.   They’re all very high.   Which means Leonard likely has a very high score, but his number might rank him 6th or 7th.

 

Just because he’s doesn’t have a top-5 score doesn’t mean he didn’t get a high score.   It just wasn’t top-5.

[shasta519]

24 minutes ago, csmopar said:

How is Leonard not on this list?

 

He had a decent game...but using the eye test I wouldn't say it was up to his usual 80s grade. The coverage sack was a huge play (and he was great on that entire series)...but no other TFL on the day. Only a couple tackles were near the line of scrimmage. And there were some bad plays as well...like the Gore and Drake b2b runs for the go-ahead TD...where he either overpursued or just plain whiffed. 

 

And given what I know about PFF, the fact that a handful of his tackles occured after a 1st down was gained...doesn't really help his grade. PFF seems to value a stopping a guy on a 9 yard 1st and 10 play more than stopping a guy on a 2 yard 2nd and 1 play. But that has probably helped his grade as well at times...so I guess it all evens out.

[Jason_]

37 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

Looks about right. Hunt played very well...and the rest of the defense wasn't exceptional. The DL continues to struggle getting pressure on its own...and there were some pretty bad plays on defense that were a team effort (with multiple guys looking bad). 

 

I am surprised that Turay is that high. He only played 1/3 of the snaps, but I don't recall him doing much in those snaps...at least nothing incredibly impactful. I don't think he even registered a tackle. But maybe he was more "disruptive" than it appeared.

 

Speaking of Turay...why is Lewis getting so many more snaps? I guess Turay is the pass rushing specialist and Lewis is the starter now? That seems backward to me. Turay should be starting and Lewis should be coming in to rush from the DT position.

 

It's only been three games...but Lewis looks slow...struggles to get around OTs and doesn't shed blocks very well. Not to be too hasty...but I just don't see it. I would be curious to see what PFF gave him for that game.

 

 

 

Ballard said all along that the plan was to use Lewis as  DE on early and short yardage downs and at DT on passing downs, with Turay mostly as a pass rush specialist this first year.  

[shasta519]

43 minutes ago, J@son said:

 

Ballard said all along that the plan was to use Lewis as  DE on early and short yardage downs and at DT on passing downs, with Turay mostly as a pass rush specialist this first year.  

 

Do you have some quotes. I don't remember Ballard ever saying Lewis would be the de facto starting DE on early downs, The quote I found (before his debut) was that they will probably play him in both spots early on in his career...but that they think he is best suited for DT. That led me to believe he would get some run at DE but the focus would be on DT.

 

And that's what sort of happened in the TEN game. But in this game, he played the majority of LDE snaps...including passing downs...and Turay got a much smaller share of snaps. My hope is that this is not the norm going forward.

 

 

 

 

[WoolMagnet]

Oh boy, Doug is gonna be mad when he sees Ebron on that list.

[braveheartcolt]

20 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

Oh boy, Doug is gonna be mad when he sees Ebron on that list.

Think I'll log off for a few days. Could get messy, and not in an amazing way.....

[Shive]

Darius Leonard ranked #5 on defense behind Hunt, Mitchell, Turay, and Wilson.

 

Overall 72.3

Run Defense 66.1

Tackle 81.4

Pass Rush 71.8

Coverage 66.8

 

Turay is surprisingly ranked 9th in the league in Pass Rush Productivity (among edge rushers that have played at least 20% of defensive snaps), which is essentially a look at the rate of sacks, hurries, pressures, and hits on a per snap basis.

[MTC]

For anyone with PFF premium, what was Evan Boehm's grade?

[SteelCityColt]

2 hours ago, shastamasta said:

 

He had a decent game...but using the eye test I wouldn't say it was up to his usual 80s grade. The coverage sack was a huge play (and he was great on that entire series)...but no other TFL on the day. Only a couple tackles were near the line of scrimmage. And there were some bad plays as well...like the Gore and Drake b2b runs for the go-ahead TD...where he either overpursued or just plain whiffed. 

 

And given what I know about PFF, the fact that a handful of his tackles occured after a 1st down was gained...doesn't really help his grade. PFF seems to value a stopping a guy on a 9 yard 1st and 10 play more than stopping a guy on a 2 yard 2nd and 1 play. But that has probably helped his grade as well at times...so I guess it all evens out.

 

This.. 

 

Why I maintain raw tackle volume isn’t necessarily a direct indicator of good play.

 

Again too how many people are going back and watching every play on all 22? Let’s say Leonard busts his coverage and his guy is wide open. If the QB doesn’t spot it or doesn’t throw to him for whatever reason most fans will never notice the blown coverage. PFF should pick it up and grade accordingly. Basically fan perception is very outcome driven whole PFF shouldn’t be as much. Or that’s how I understand how they grade.

 

Is it perfect? No. But it’s the best thing on the open market. If people think it’s so bad and so easy to do then I strongly suggest they start their own grading site as people are spending serious money on getting access to their data.

[Introspect]

1 hour ago, WoolMagnet said:

Oh boy, Doug is gonna be mad when he sees Ebron on that list.

Stop worrying about what another man is feeling. I bet he's not worried about you

[WoolMagnet]

1 minute ago, Introspect said:

Stop worrying about what another man is feeling. I bet he's not worried about you

You sure seem to be worrying.

its called humor.  Relax.

[Shive]

29 minutes ago, MTC said:

For anyone with PFF premium, what was Evan Boehm's grade?

64.2 Overall (his best all season)

 

70.5 Pass Blocking

61.2 Run Blocking

[Introspect]

3 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

You sure seem to be worrying.

its called humor.  Relax.

 

No disrespect.....

Just hate attacks on a person and not looking at what the person presents. People can disagree without being disagreeable.  Just my pet peeve.  We are all fans

[throwing BBZ]

3 hours ago, csmopar said:

How is Leonard not on this list?

 

Hmmm! I saw him over pursue and give up nice runs in his gap and have several pass plays where he chased down for nice gains. Bad plays that should have earned negative scoring.

There was no seeing all that he did but a score in the 60's wouldn't have surprised me.

[Btown_Colt]

7 hours ago, stitches said:

 

 

I apologize to the people who don't like PFF in advance  

What? How did Luck not grade higher than Hilton? Luck played two positions. I didn’t see Hilton throwing any passes. And where is Chester Rodgers, he caught a pass or two, he should be up there.  PFF is garbage. I like my grading system better. Sorry

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^here's an interesting stat from PFF. 

[Luck 4 president]

16 minutes ago, stitches said:

 

^here's an interesting stat from PFF. 

That’s precisely the reason we drafted him. I remember after the draft when people (including myself) were saying Ballard reached, he cited things like how he had the highest pressure rate in the draft despite his 2 sacks. Good to know he’s continued that trend, and good to know Ballard stuck to his gut.