CR91 53 man roster prediction

[CR91]

QB-Luck, Tolzien

RB-Gore, Turbin, Todman

WR-Hilton, Moncrief, Dorsett, Rogers, Bray

TE-Allen, Doyle, Swoope

OL-AC, mewhort, Kelly, good, reitz, Thornton, haeg, Clark, Harrison

DL-langford, Parry, Anderson, McGill, ridgeway, Kerr, Bailey

LB-mathis, Cole, DQ, Irving, Moore, Walden, maggit, Morrison, Edwin Jackson, okine

DB- Davis green Adams Robinson cromartie, guy, geathers, Butler, brown, Mitchell, smith

ST- Adam v, Patty mc, overton

 

PS-Morris, Ferguson, Thompson, Frankie williams, mckay, bythe, Smith, McClure, Jeremy V, bates

[Everyone]

7 minutes ago, CR91 said:

QB-Luck, Tolzien

RB-Gore, Turbin, Todman

WR-Hilton, Moncrief, Dorsett, Rogers, Bray, smith

TE-Allen, Doyle, Swoope

OL-AC, mewhort, Kelly, good, reitz, Thornton, haeg, Clark, Harrison

DL-langford, Parry, Anderson, McGill, ridgeway, Kerr, Bailey

LB-mathis, DQ, Irving, Moore, Walden, maggit, Morrison, Edwin Jackson, okine

DB- Davis green Adams Robinson cromartie, guy, geathers, Butler, brown, Mitchell, smith

ST- Adam v, Patty mc, overton

 

PS-Morris, Ferguson, Thompson, Frankie williams, mckay, bythe, southward, McClure, Jeremy V, bates

Southward is on IR I believe, Nice mock though.  I doubt they cut Cole but if it meant keeping a younger guy I'm all for it.  I wish Doyle or someone else was a decent long snapper ( I don't even think Overton is very good) that way it opens up a spot.

[CR91]

3 minutes ago, Everyone said:

Southward is on IR I believe, Nice mock though.  I doubt they cut Cole but if it meant keeping a younger guy I'm all for it.

 

Might need to change it hold on

[Everyone]

18 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Might need to change it hold on

     I like Bray but I wonder if they wind up keeping Smith over him because Rogers has shown flashes as a returner as well?  

[CR91]

1 minute ago, Everyone said:

     I like Bray but I wonder if they wind up keeping Smith over him because Rogers has shown flashes as a returner as well?  

 

Smith is good and I wanted to put him on the roster, but bray is the better returner and I doubt they wanna risk Rogers getting hurt returning because he'll play significant snaps if any of the top three god forbid get hurt

[akcolt]

1 minute ago, Everyone said:

     I like Bray but I wonder if they wind up keeping Smith over him because Rogers has shown flashes as a returner as well?  

I think we keep Smith 6'1 205 4.33 40 his short shuttle and 3 cone times are better than Hilton and Moncrief. I've said it since the draft I can't believe we got him as an UDFA. His ceiling is high to high to try to sneak to the PS IMO. 

[Everyone]

9 minutes ago, akcolt said:

I think we keep Smith 6'1 205 4.33 40 his short shuttle and 3 cone times are better than Hilton and Moncrief. I've said it since the draft I can't believe we got him as an UDFA. His ceiling is high to high to try to sneak to the PS IMO. 

Sadly, injuries are going to cause them to lose some promising talent somewhere on the team.  I love Smith and Rogers and I initially the Colts keeping 6 WRs until all the injuries.

[Everyone]

10 minutes ago, akcolt said:

I think we keep Smith 6'1 205 4.33 40 his short shuttle and 3 cone times are better than Hilton and Moncrief. I've said it since the draft I can't believe we got him as an UDFA. His ceiling is high to high to try to sneak to the PS IMO. 

Rogers is listed as 6'1 and Smith is listed as 6'2, one of them is way off haha.

[csmopar]

4 minutes ago, Everyone said:

Sadly, injuries are going to cause them to lose some promising talent somewhere on the team.  I love Smith and Rogers and I initially the Colts keeping 6 WRs until all the injuries.

yeah they were saying this morning the injuries could cost us some in the future due to the cuts needed

[DougDew]

Swoope NEEDS to go back to the PS.  No other team will pick him up, no worries.  He's still a project, and with DA's injury history, we need solid all around players like Doyle and Coffman behind him.

 

If you PS Swoope or even cut him since no other team will sign him, then you can call him up upon DA's next injury and have Doyle, Coffman, Swoope as our 3 TEs; and we could still run our offense with confidence.  

 

If you keep Swoope over Coffman now, we'll have only Doyle and Swoope as our 2 TE's upon DA's next injury, and then will have search the street for a 3rd TE available, severely restricting the offense..

 

[akcolt]

11 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Smith is good and I wanted to put him on the roster, but bray is the better returner and I doubt they wanna risk Rogers getting hurt returning because he'll play significant snaps if any of the top three god forbid get hurt

Are you serious? We had a 1st round draft pick back returning punts last year. TY returned and may still return one here and there. Pitt sticks Brown back there Primetime returned punts. I really like Rogers don't get me wrong but he's not too valuable to return punts, kick offs or anything on ST's. That's a crazy statement you don't really believe that do you? 

 

I think some fell in love after the long td reception.and rightfully so Rogers has looked good. I hope he makes the team. He can obviously ball there's no question. 

 

 I think Smith is the better WR right now and his ceiling is higher. He has the size and athleticism that you can't teach. He is 6'2 205lbs according to colts.com ran a 4.33 40 at his pro day. His short shuttle and 3 cone times were elite faster than TY and Moncrief. He topped Amari Cooper's 3.98 and 6.71 times which were combined the better times I remember recently with 3.94 & 6.56. The correlation between sub 7. 3 cone and 200+!lbs for success as a WR in the NFL is very high..

 

This kid's ceiling is too high to cut IMO. I think this should be between Bray and Rogers if we don't go 6. Smith has at least WR2 potential. There aren't a lot of 6'2 200lbs+ WR's who run in the 4.3's. and have hands like Smith. He was a gift as an UDFA..I'd hate to see us give him away. 

[akcolt]

36 minutes ago, Everyone said:

Rogers is listed as 6'1 and Smith is listed as 6'2, one of them is way off haha.

Colts.com has Smith at 6'2 he isn't 6'2 he's right at 6'1 205lbs 

[Everyone]

36 minutes ago, csmopar said:

yeah they were saying this morning the injuries could cost us some in the future due to the cuts needed

I was mainly referring to Rogers height being off

[akcolt]

41 minutes ago, Everyone said:

Rogers is listed as 6'1 and Smith is listed as 6'2, one of them is way off haha.

They had Rogers right at 6'0 185lbs pre draft  I am not sure where colts.com came up with heights and weights. We were loaded with UDFA talent. A kid we never got to see play but the coaches were talking about before getting hurt was Leak. He was a monster  6'1 212lbs put up 225lbs 20x ran 4.49! I think he'd have made the PS if he could have stayed healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear his name again 

[CR91]

32 minutes ago, akcolt said:

Are you serious? We had a 1st round draft pick back returning punts last year. TY returned and may still return one here and there. Pitt sticks Brown back there Primetime returned punts. I really like Rogers don't get me wrong but he's not too valuable to return punts, kick offs or anything on ST's. That's a crazy statement you don't really believe that do you? 

 

I think some fell in love after the long td reception.and rightfully so Rogers has looked good. I hope he makes the team. He can obviously ball there's no question. 

 

 I think Smith is the better WR right now and his ceiling is higher. He has the size and athleticism that you can't teach. He is 6'2 205lbs according to colts.com ran a 4.33 40 at his pro day. His short shuttle and 3 cone times were elite faster than TY and Moncrief. He topped Amari Cooper's 3.98 and 6.71 times which were combined the better times I remember recently with 3.94 & 6.56. The correlation between sub 7. 3 cone and 200+!lbs for success as a WR in the NFL is very high..

 

This kid's ceiling is too high to cut IMO. I think this should be between Bray and Rogers if we don't go 6. Smith has at least WR2 potential. There aren't a lot of 6'2 200lbs+ WR's who run in the 4.3's. and have hands like Smith. He was a gift as an UDFA..I'd hate to see us give him away. 

 

Dorsett was behind three wrs and he got pulled after one game

[ColtsLegacy]

12 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Dorsett was behind three wrs and he got pulled after one game

 

Because he sucked. Akcolt is right, your point is ridiculous. The Colts would not protect their 4th/5th WR from PR duties.

[akcolt]

15 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Dorsett was behind three wrs and he got pulled after one game

I know what happened with Dorsett. I asked if you were serious thinking Rogers was to valuable to return punts because that's crazy. His ability to return punts just might help him make this team. We all get excited and type without thinking it out. I'm not trying to insult you but I totally disagree that Rogers would be kept from PR or any ST's. That's were young guys see the field. You can't coach a team thinking about injuries they happen.  I know you know this I've read your posts on here many times. If you really believe Rogers is different why? 

[Valpo2004]

Offense:

QB: Luck, Tolzien 

RB: Gore, Turbin, Todman

WR: Hilton, Moncrief, Dorsett, Rodgers, Smith, Bray

TE: Allen, Doyle, Swoop

T: Castanzo, Clark, Reitz

G: Mewhort, Goode, Harrison, Haeg

C: Kelly, Blythe

 

Offense: 23 Players

 

Defense: 

DL: Langford, Parry, Anderson, McGill, Ridgeway, Kerr, Jones

OLB: Mathis, Cole, Maggitt, Bates, Walden

ILB: D. Jackson, Morrison, Moore, Irving, McNary

CB: Davis, Cromarte, Robinson, Butler, Smith, Brown

S: Adams, Green, Geathers, Guy

 

Defense: 27 Players

 

SP: Overton, Vinny, McAffee

 

3-players

 

 

[Everyone]

7 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

 

Jones doesn't count towards the 53 until his suspensions over.

[GoColts8818]

30 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

Offense:

QB: Luck, Tolzien 

RB: Gore, Turbin, Todman

WR: Hilton, Moncrief, Dorsett, Rodgers, Smith, Bray

TE: Allen, Doyle, Swoop

T: Castanzo, Clark, Reitz

G: Mewhort, Goode, Harrison, Haeg

C: Kelly, Blythe

 

Offense: 23 Players

 

Defense: 

DL: Langford, Parry, Anderson, McGill, Ridgeway, Kerr, Jones

OLB: Mathis, Cole, Maggitt, Bates, Walden

ILB: D. Jackson, Morrison, Moore, Irving, McNary

CB: Davis, Cromarte, Robinson, Butler, Smith, Brown

S: Adams, Green, Geathers, Guy

 

Defense: 27 Players

 

SP: Overton, Vinny, McAffee

 

3-players

 

 

Jones won't count against the 53 man roster while,suspended so you have one more spot to play with.

[Valpo2004]

1 hour ago, Everyone said:

Jones doesn't count towards the 53 until his suspensions over.

 

42 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Jones won't count against the 53 man roster while,suspended so you have one more spot to play with.

 

Fair enough I suppose you can throw Thornton back in there for a few games.  

[CR91]

2 hours ago, akcolt said:

I know what happened with Dorsett. I asked if you were serious thinking Rogers was to valuable to return punts because that's crazy. His ability to return punts just might help him make this team. We all get excited and type without thinking it out. I'm not trying to insult you but I totally disagree that Rogers would be kept from PR or any ST's. That's were young guys see the field. You can't coach a team thinking about injuries they happen.  I know you know this I've read your posts on here many times. If you really believe Rogers is different why? 

 

Are you saying Rogers is a better returner then bray?

[CR91]

2 hours ago, ColtsLegacy said:

 

Because he sucked. Akcolt is right, your point is ridiculous. The Colts would not protect their 4th/5th WR from PR duties.

 

Dorset also got rocked. I'm pretty sure once grigs saw that, he told pagano to get him out of there.

[Smonroe]

3 hours ago, akcolt said:

Colts.com has Smith at 6'2 he isn't 6'2 he's right at 6'1 205lbs 

 

At their pro days Chester was about 5'10" and Smith was 6' 3/8".

 

I would believe those stats over Colts.com.  They probably measured them in their cleats, lol!

[PrincetonTiger]

I really like what CC has done this preseason at TE

 

Smith's play last night and injuries will make it difficult for the coaches

[Bluefire4]

I don't want Tevin Mitchel anywhere near this roster.

[ColtsLegacy]

1 hour ago, CR91 said:

 

Dorset also got rocked. I'm pretty sure once grigs saw that, he told pagano to get him out of there.

 

I doubt it, he just stunk at PR. That's irrelevant, though, because Dorsett is a valuable first round pick. Rogers is not. He will play ST if he makes the team and if Bray doesn't make the squad (I don't think he should), Rogers will likely be the PR. They certainly will not keep him out to protect him from injury. That's absolutely ridiculous.

[CR91]

41 minutes ago, ColtsLegacy said:

 

I doubt it, he just stunk at PR. That's irrelevant, though, because Dorsett is a valuable first round pick. Rogers is not. He will play ST if he makes the team and if Bray doesn't make the squad (I don't think he should), Rogers will likely be the PR. They certainly will not keep him out to protect him from injury. That's absolutely ridiculous.

 

Bray is better at returning. He's as good a returner we've had since Terrance Wilkins

[ColtsLegacy]

13 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Bray is better at returning. He's as good a returner we've had since Terrance Wilkins

 

Again, not relevant to the point. You must be good at dodge ball.

[crazycolt1]

11 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Bray is better at returning. He's as good a returner we've had since Terrance Wilkins

Are you over looking or forgetting Brad Pyatt ?

[Hoosiernsavga]

It's going to be very difficult to cut a couple players due to injuries. The main two that comes to mind is Okine and T. Smith! I really want these two guys on the roster. 

[ColtsLegacy]

4 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Are you over looking or forgetting Brad Pyatt ?

 

He was a better KR, as I recall.

[GoColts8818]

Quarterback (2): Andrew Luck, Scott Tolzien



Running Back (4):  Frank Gore, Jordan Todman, Robert Turbin, Steven Ridley

Wide Receiver (5):  Quan Bray, Phillip Dorsett, T.Y. Hilton, Donte Moncrief, Chester Rogers

Tight End (3): Dwayne Allen, Jack Doyle, Erik Swoope 



Offensive Line (10): C-Austin Blythe, T-Anthony Castonzo, T-Le’Raven Clark, T/G-Denzelle Good, T/G-Joe Haeg, C/G-Jonotthan Harrison C-Ryan Kelly, G-Jack Mewhort, G/T-Joe Reitz, G-Hugh Thornton


Defensive Line (6*): DT-Henry Anderson, DT-Arthur Jones, DE-Kendall Langford, NT-Zach Kerr, DT-T.Y. McGill, NT-David Parry, DT-Hassan Ridgeway


Linebacker (10): OLB-Trent Cole, ILB-Nate Irving, ILB-D’Qwell Jackson, OLB-Curt Maggitt, OLB-Robert Mathis, ILB-Josh McNary, ILB-Sio Moore, ILB-Antonio Morrison, OLB-Earl Okine, OLB-Erik Walden



Cornerback (6): Jalil Brown, Darius Butler, Antonio Cromartie, Vontae Davis, Chris Milton, Patrick Robinson

Safety (4): Mike Adams, Clayton Geathers, T.J. Green, Winston Guy

Specialists (3): P-Pat McAfee, LS-Matt Overton, K-Adam Vinatieri

 

* - Art Jones suspension means he doesn't count against the 53 for now. 

 

While this is what I have I'd guess for the Colts to keep I'd Colts to look for help at safety or corner from other cuts based on health. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

8 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Quarterback (2): Andrew Luck, Scott Tolzien



Running Back (4):  Frank Gore, Jordan Todman, Robert Turbin, Steven Ridley

Wide Receiver (5):  Quan Bray, Phillip Dorsett, T.Y. Hilton, Donte Moncrief, Chester Rogers

Tight End (3): Dwayne Allen, Jack Doyle, Erik Swoope 



Offensive Line (10): C-Austin Blythe, T-Anthony Castonzo, T-Le’Raven Clark, T/G-Denzelle Good, T/G-Joe Haeg, C/G-Jonotthan Harrison C-Ryan Kelly, G-Jack Mewhort, G/T-Joe Reitz, G-Hugh Thornton


Defensive Line (6*): DT-Henry Anderson, DT-Arthur Jones, DE-Kendall Langford, NT-Zach Kerr, DT-T.Y. McGill, NT-David Parry, DT-Hassan Ridgeway


Linebacker (10): OLB-Trent Cole, ILB-Nate Irving, ILB-D’Qwell Jackson, OLB-Curt Maggitt, OLB-Robert Mathis, ILB-Josh McNary, ILB-Sio Moore, ILB-Antonio Morrison, OLB-Earl Okine, OLB-Erik Walden



Cornerback (6): Jalil Brown, Darius Butler, Antonio Cromartie, Vontae Davis, Chris Milton, Patrick Robinson

Safety (4): Mike Adams, Clayton Geathers, T.J. Green, Winston Guy

Specialists (3): P-Pat McAfee, LS-Matt Overton, K-Adam Vinatieri

 

* - Art Jones suspension means he doesn't count against the 53 for now. 

 

While this is what I have I'd guess for the Colts to keep I'd Colts to look for help at safety or corner from other cuts based on health. 

This will be close IMO, cant really argue this too much. I do like Morris better than Tolzien but I think we keep Tolzien. Hopefully the QB position wont matter anyway and Andrew stays healthy.

[GoColts8818]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

This will be close IMO, cant really argue this too much. I do like Morris better than Tolzien but I think we keep Tolzien. Hopefully the QB position wont matter anyway and Andrew stays healthy.

Yeah it came down to Smith, Morris, or Ridley/Todman for the last roster spot for me.  In the end I went with the fourth running back because I think they will give Ridley more than one pre-season game to prove himself and Todman gives you special teams help as well.  I'd expect both Smith and Morris back on the PS though if they don't end up making the final roster. 

 

[HeSoColt]

14 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Yeah it came down to Smith, Morris, or Ridley/Todman for the last roster spot for me.  In the end I went with the fourth running back because I think they will give Ridley more than one pre-season game to prove himself and Todman gives you special teams help as well.  I'd expect both Smith and Morris back on the PS though if they don't end up making the final roster. 

 

Morris is not PS eligible.

[GoColts8818]

Just now, HeSoColt said:

Morris is not PS eligible.

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2016/6/28/12027600/colts-2016-player-preview-quarterback-stephen-morris

 

http://fox59.com/2016/09/02/next-for-colts-qb-stephen-morris-the-excruciating-waiting-game/

 

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016/8/25/12622160/2016-nfl-practice-squad-primer-rules-size-eligibility-salary

 

yes he is.

[crazycolt1]

48 minutes ago, ColtsLegacy said:

 

He was a better KR, as I recall.

Yes, I think you are correct. Too bad injury took him away from the game way too early.

[CR91]

2 hours ago, ColtsLegacy said:

 

Again, not relevant to the point. You must be good at dodge ball.

 

Yea it is. My point is Rogers could get hurt and bray is the better returner

[GoColts8818]

8 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

Smith is good and I wanted to put him on the roster, but bray is the better returner and I doubt they wanna risk Rogers getting hurt returning because he'll play significant snaps if any of the top three god forbid get hurt

Your point about Dorrsett later in the thread about doing returns last year kinda defeats this argument.  Last year he was the fourth WR and they put him out there to do it.  No reason they would protect Rogers this year as the fourth WR to make him not do returns.

 

With that said judging by what the Colts have been saying about Bray they think he's a special returner.  That alone would be why the Colts have him doing it and not Rodgers.