I Believe In Jim Irsay/Jim Irsay carrying $29k during traffic stop (merge)

[Dark Superman]

Jim,

You're going to need a lot more than that to pursue Alex Mack!

[The Old Crow]

That's cool, as long as we are also careful not to manufacture supposition between the facts. I recognize what the evidence suggests, but there is still a leap from that suggestion to actual fact.

Obviously, the facts will come out in court . He has already admitted to the problem, so it's not a tremendous leap to believe he was using cash to get the prescription drugs. No one is going to use a credit card, or be going to Rite Aid to get them. Whatever the circumstances, it doesn't change the fact that he's been a good owner to you guys , and everyone wants to give him another chance, and wants him to recover. The problem is the enabling crowd on this forum , that makes excuses for these actions. Jim needs to own up to this problem, and beat it. Most people, even billionaires , don't keep 29 K around the car to buy chicken nuggets. The other thing yet to come out that could cause trouble , is who wrote these prescriptions. As we've seen previously with Elvis and Michael Jackson, there is usually some kind of quack doctor involved. These charges may well be lowered or dropped, but they are still serious and should not be made light of. The man does deserve his day in court to present his side, no doubt b

[schwamm]

Obviously, the facts will come out in court . He has already admitted to the problem, so it's not a tremendous leap to believe he was using cash to get the prescription drugs. No one is going to use a credit card, or be going to Rite Aid to get them. Whatever the circumstances, it doesn't change the fact that he's been a good owner to you guys , and everyone wants to give him another chance, and wants him to recover. The problem is the enabling crowd on this forum , that makes excuses for these actions. Jim needs to own up to this problem, and beat it. Most people, even billionaires , don't keep 29 K around the car to buy chicken nuggets. The other thing yet to come out that could cause trouble , is who wrote these prescriptions. As we've seen previously with Elvis and Michael Jackson, there is usually some kind of quack doctor involved. These charges may well be lowered or dropped, but they are still serious and should not be made light of. The man does deserve his day in court to present his side, no doubt b

Yeah, in addition to the examples you list, there was a quack involved last time JI checked himself into rehab, too. Again, I get your point, and see the same things you do. Your previous post just read as if you were trying to promote suppositions into the role of facts.

[Nadine]

Obviously, the facts will come out in court . He has already admitted to the problem, so it's not a tremendous leap to believe he was using cash to get the prescription drugs. No one is going to use a credit card, or be going to Rite Aid to get them. Whatever the circumstances, it doesn't change the fact that he's been a good owner to you guys , and everyone wants to give him another chance, and wants him to recover. The problem is the enabling crowd on this forum , that makes excuses for these actions. Jim needs to own up to this problem, and beat it. Most people, even billionaires , don't keep 29 K around the car to buy chicken nuggets. The other thing yet to come out that could cause trouble , is who wrote these prescriptions. As we've seen previously with Elvis and Michael Jackson, there is usually some kind of quack doctor involved. These charges may well be lowered or dropped, but they are still serious and should not be made light of. The man does deserve his day in court to present his side, no doubt b

 

Ease up on diagnosing what's wrong with everyone here.  It's really not cool for a ravens fan with a history of taking issue with our owner to take up residence in this thread and tell everyone that they are making the problem worse

[chrisfarley]

He is a man of high integrity and he can carry as much money as he wants no matter what Tony Kornheiser thinks.  He was just coming off of some of his medication and got pulled over, big deal.  He wasn't aware that he couldn't make it home.  Sleeping pills do that to people ALL THE TIME (Ambien - Zolopedium).  People just need to back off and give him some time to re-group.  He should be in charge of the team.  I don't want to see the team go downhill, which is possible if he is not at the helm of the owner's position.  We need him there and not ANYONE else.

[jvan1973]

Obviously, the facts will come out in court . He has already admitted to the problem, so it's not a tremendous leap to believe he was using cash to get the prescription drugs. No one is going to use a credit card, or be going to Rite Aid to get them. Whatever the circumstances, it doesn't change the fact that he's been a good owner to you guys , and everyone wants to give him another chance, and wants him to recover. The problem is the enabling crowd on this forum , that makes excuses for these actions. Jim needs to own up to this problem, and beat it. Most people, even billionaires , don't keep 29 K around the car to buy chicken nuggets. The other thing yet to come out that could cause trouble , is who wrote these prescriptions. As we've seen previously with Elvis and Michael Jackson, there is usually some kind of quack doctor involved. These charges may well be lowered or dropped, but they are still serious and should not be made light of. The man does deserve his day in court to present his side, no doubt b

Can i get a link to your extensive survey you did on billionaires and the amount of money they carry. Thanks

[JoKeR]

Maybe Irsay was coming or going from a poker game?

[MEAT]

 

Maybe Irsay was coming or going from a poker game?

 

More likely coming or going to buy more drugs. Tough question on whether coming or going.

[Jason_]

I get that but still, what if he was robbed? And now thanks to nosey ESPN.... like BucColts said Jim could be in trouble roaming the streets of Indianapolis now that everyone knows he's carrying loot. I hope he stays safe. You should never carry that kind of money around

 

On top of that, if he was robbed, would that robber be content with the $29K Irsay had on him, or would the robber have figured that if a guy has $29K in cash on him then he probably has a lot more money somewhere else.  Could potentially have turned into a kidnapping/ransom situation.  Granted that's pretty much worst case scenario but still, it is possible.

 

not like he doesnt have 20 bodyguards

 

Yeah I was going to say the same thing.  

 

He wasn't buying 30 grand in prescription pills. You watch too many movies

 

To be fair, you have no idea if that's true or not.  A man with Irsay's money would probably buy in bulk if that's what he was going to do.  Just a hunch on my part and I'm not saying that is what the money was for.  As someone else said, maybe he was coming from a poker party with some of his millionaire friends.  However I'm not going to entirely rule out the possibility it could have been for drugs.

 

All in all, obviously Irsay has a problem and if he's trying to get help to get better then I'm behind him 100%. It's those that don't care about trying to help themselves that are less likely to get my support.  Regardless, he needs to be smarter.  Driving around in that state with that kind of money at that time of night is just recklessly stupid for a man who could find get a cab or limo to drive him around.  I'm not hating on the man...we all make mistakes.  Hopefully he learns from this one, gets the help he needs and we don't hear any more stories like this in the news again.

[The Old Crow]

Ease up on diagnosing what's wrong with everyone here.  It's really not cool for a ravens fan with a history of taking issue with our owner to take up residence in this thread and tell everyone that they are making the problem worse

I think my position has been supportive of him on getting better. Whether I am a Raven fan or not, this is a national story of interest to all fans. I understand the outpouring of support for him, but this discussion pertained to why he had that much money and pills in the car. He refused the blood test which was another indicator something was wrong. My problems with the Irsay family vis a vis some aspects of Baltimore Colts history, is irrelevant here, and for this discussion.

[Nadine]

I think my position has been supportive of him on getting better. Whether I am a Raven fan or not, this is a national story of interest to all fans. I understand the outpouring of support for him, but this discussion pertained to why he had that much money and pills in the car. He refused the blood test which was another indicator something was wrong. My problems with the Irsay family vis a vis some aspects of Baltimore Colts history, is irrelevant here, and for this discussion.

Yes you have stated your position

The issue I'm having is that you have overstated your position. And this overstating combined with your history (which is not irrelevant) is disrespectful to Colts fans and not at all civil.....which is what our board aims to be.

 

Overstating your view.......in particular when that view flat out states that Colts fans are enabling...........is trolling.

 

You should listen to other posters when they tell you as much.

 

We've had a similar issue in the TR thread. Overstating can be trolling.

 

I'm advising you that you have overstated your position in this thread.

[The Old Crow]

Yes you have stated your position

The issue I'm having is that you have overstated your position. And this overstating combined with your history (which is not irrelevant) is disrespectful to Colts fans and not at all civil.....which is what our board aims to be.

 

Overstating your view.......in particular when that view flat out states that Colts fans are enabling...........is trolling.

 

You should listen to other posters when they tell you as much.

 

We've had a similar issue in the TR thread. Overstating can be trolling.

 

I'm advising you that you have overstated your position in this thread.

I guess you are the final word on that one. I'm not attempting to troll , bait, and I never have. I'm expressing logical opinions like anyone else on the forum. I have always expressed myself in a respectful manner, although in many cases it is taken otherwise. I'm not sure the definition of overstate, in this case, because I've just reiterated that facts as pointed out by the Carmel Police Department, and the Indy Star, your hometown newspaper. That being said, I will exit this thread , as it is no longer viable to express an independent opinion here.

[Nadine]

I guess you are the final word on that one. I'm not attempting to troll , bait, and I never have. I'm expressing logical opinions like anyone else on the forum. I have always expressed myself in a respectful manner, although in many cases it is taken otherwise. I'm not sure the definition of overstate, in this case, because I've just reiterated that facts as pointed out by the Carmel Police Department, and the Indy Star, your hometown newspaper. That being said, I will exit this thread , as it is no longer viable to express an independent opinion here.

conversation is give and take

Overstating your point is like yelling in the middle of the room..........or monopolizing the conversation.....not letting the conversation evolve without restating your already stated viewpoint

 

It irritates people

 

It also irritates them when you tell them they are enabling......

[The Old Crow]

conversation is give and take

Overstating your point is like yelling in the middle of the room..........or monopolizing the conversation.....not letting the conversation evolve without restating your already stated viewpoint

 

It irritates people

 

It also irritates them when you tell them they are enabling......

Nadine, no problem. I'm not trying to irritate people. Honestly though, look through the thread. You have people saying he should have paid the cop, everybody carries around 29 K , he was going to a poker game , etc. That was what I was referring to , but I get your point.

[Nadine]

Nadine, no problem. I'm not trying to irritate people. Honestly though, look through the thread. You have people saying he should have paid the cop, everybody carries around 29 K , he was going to a poker game , etc. That was what I was referring to , but I get your point.

Gotcha

Yes, people have said some strange stuff.  Point taken

[esmort]

I do not see the big deal with the $29K.  A lot of people like to keep cash on hand. I am not a billionaire by a long shot and have had around that much cash on me on several occasions; several times from poker/casino (as joker mentioned), a couple times taking it to loan to friends who wanted to buy a car/boat from a private owner (rather than a dealer), I used to have a business where a nightly cash deposit could be in that range, etc ....

 

If I can think of that many reasons that I (just a regular guy) have had reason to have that much cash on me, imagine how many more reasons a billionaire whose friends and even many of his employees are millionaires would have.  I could sit here all day and rattle off reasons a billionaire businessman might have had $29K in his safe at work and was taking it home.

[Modern]

He could have been out to buy drugs or he could have had it all in ones and been on his way to Walmart to win the teddybear that been eluding him in the crane machine out front. Either way, he can only be punished for crimes he was caught doing, you cant be punished for potential to commit a crime or suspicion 

[Douzer]

I'll stand beside Jim Irsay here. Also, he absolutely does not need to answer to anyone, and I mean anyone, about how much money he's carrying. Nobody's business but his, period.

[Gavin]

I think I'll just wait till this plays out rather then act like I know Jim and what he was up to that night/day, Im glad he is getting help though

[Superman]

On top of that, if he was robbed, would that robber be content with the $29K Irsay had on him, or would the robber have figured that if a guy has $29K in cash on him then he probably has a lot more money somewhere else.  Could potentially have turned into a kidnapping/ransom situation.  Granted that's pretty much worst case scenario but still, it is possible.

 

 

Yeah I was going to say the same thing.  

 

 

To be fair, you have no idea if that's true or not.  A man with Irsay's money would probably buy in bulk if that's what he was going to do.  Just a hunch on my part and I'm not saying that is what the money was for.  As someone else said, maybe he was coming from a poker party with some of his millionaire friends.  However I'm not going to entirely rule out the possibility it could have been for drugs.

 

All in all, obviously Irsay has a problem and if he's trying to get help to get better then I'm behind him 100%. It's those that don't care about trying to help themselves that are less likely to get my support.  Regardless, he needs to be smarter.  Driving around in that state with that kind of money at that time of night is just recklessly stupid for a man who could find get a cab or limo to drive him around.  I'm not hating on the man...we all make mistakes.  Hopefully he learns from this one, gets the help he needs and we don't hear any more stories like this in the news again.

 

Speaking in general terms, and without any professional background in this matter, I don't think people battling substance addiction buy in bulk. Especially if it's for pain, anxiety or sleep disorder. (If you're buying Ambien on the street, at most, you're paying $10/pill. That's 2,900 pills. Your bulk price reduction probably gets you well over 5,000.) People with addictions want to quit, for the most part. They don't buy enough to sustain their habit for the next 5-10 years, especially for pain or anxiety, because the hope is that the pain gets better, or the anxiety goes away. 

 

Again, not an expert on any of this. I just doubt that Jim Irsay's cash was drug related. I'd sooner believe that he was running an underground drug ring than that he was coming or going to/from a drug deal involving that money. 

 

JMO

[Gavin]

Speaking in general terms, and without any professional background in this matter, I don't think people battling substance addiction buy in bulk. Especially if it's for pain, anxiety or sleep disorder. (If you're buying Ambien on the street, at most, you're paying $10/pill. That's 2,900 pills. Your bulk price reduction probably gets you well over 5,000.) People with addictions want to quit, for the most part. They don't buy enough to sustain their habit for the next 5-10 years, especially for pain or anxiety, because the hope is that the pain gets better, or the anxiety goes away. 

 

Again, not an expert on any of this. I just doubt that Jim Irsay's cash was drug related. I'd sooner believe that he was running an underground drug ring than that he was coming or going to/from a drug deal involving that money. 

 

JMO

I know someone that battles constant  back pain, They usually try to get 3-4 pills at a time for the pain...ambien. most times they come away with 1 pill however, thy seem satisfied with just getting that next pill to help relieve the pain and dont even think of it as an addiction or stopping

[The Old Crow]

I'll stand beside Jim Irsay here. Also, he absolutely does not need to answer to anyone, and I mean anyone, about how much money he's carrying. Nobody's business but his, period.

You are dead wrong on this one. It is perfectly OK to support him , and his rehabilitation , but he could have killed himself or someone that night as an impaired driver, and that makes it everyone's business. On top of that, if he did indeed have illegal prescription drugs in the car, at that point, he does have to answer as to why he had 29 K in cash in the car. This is part of an investigation.

[jvan1973]

You are dead wrong on this one. It is perfectly OK to support him , and his rehabilitation , but he could have killed himself or someone that night as an impaired driver, and that makes it everyone's business. On top of that, if he did indeed have illegal prescription drugs in the car, at that point, he does have to answer as to why he had 29 K in cash in the car. This is part of an investigation.

No, no he doesn't. If the amount of pills was small enough to be considered for personal use and not enough to be charged with intent, the amount of money he had on him is irrelevant. Stop getting your legal education from Law & order.

[JoKeR]

Did you know If you have multiple prescriptions, but put them all in 1 bottle, it's a federal crime?

[jvan1973]

Did you know If you have multiple prescriptions, but put them all in 1 bottle, it's a federal crime?

it is not a federal crime. It can be a felony, but is rarely prosecuted as such

[The Old Crow]

it is not a federal crime. It can be a felony, but is rarely prosecuted as such

Sounds like you want to be Irsay's defense attorney .

[jvan1973]

Sounds like you want to be Irsay's defense attorney .

A public defender could get this dropped to a misdemeanor

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

A public defender could get this dropped to a misdemeanor

I'd go with what that guy said . Irsay would pay a ton.

[jvan1973]

I'd go with what that guy said . Irsay would pay a ton.

I'm not an attorney, but i have been in trouble my fair share in my youth. They let first offenders off light on most crimes

[Gramz]

I'd pay someone to close this thread.  

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

I'm not an attorney, but i have been in trouble my fair share in my youth. They let first offenders off light on most crimes

I'd believe it. I'm just saying, being irsays attorney sounds Fun.

[jvan1973]

I'd believe it. I'm just saying, being irsays attorney sounds Fun.

sounds lucrative for sure

[The Old Crow]

Maybe Mike Chernoff, Bob's old attorney is available !

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

I'm not an attorney, but i have been in trouble my fair share in my youth. They let first offenders off light on most crimes

 

Neither am I but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night  , 

 

First offenders with good lawyers can get charges dropped to misdemeanors which will end up no big deal . Plead guilty to a few misdemeanors  do probation after completion success - Diversion for first offender all charges removed from his record .

[Jason_]

Speaking in general terms, and without any professional background in this matter, I don't think people battling substance addiction buy in bulk. Especially if it's for pain, anxiety or sleep disorder. (If you're buying Ambien on the street, at most, you're paying $10/pill. That's 2,900 pills. Your bulk price reduction probably gets you well over 5,000.) People with addictions want to quit, for the most part. They don't buy enough to sustain their habit for the next 5-10 years, especially for pain or anxiety, because the hope is that the pain gets better, or the anxiety goes away. 

 

Again, not an expert on any of this. I just doubt that Jim Irsay's cash was drug related. I'd sooner believe that he was running an underground drug ring than that he was coming or going to/from a drug deal involving that money. 

 

JMO

 

That all depends on the individual.  Not every addict is to the point that they "want" to quit.  Some want as much of whatever substance they're abusing to know they'll never need to have more.  I've seen addicts before that would buy as much as they possibly can at a given time so they have that security blanket of knowing that they have enough to last them for a while.  

 

I would say that's especially true in regards to anxiety.  If you have an anxiety problem, then not having any means of stopping an anxiety attack only makes the anxiety worse.  Having a couple hundred pills at your disposal gives you that relief of knowing that you're fine for a while (how long depends on the level of addiction).  If you have an anxiety problem, then the anxiety doesn't just go away, and that is compounded if you have an addiction to anxiety drugs.

 

Now, all that said, I'm not saying the money was specifically for pain and/or anxiety meds.  There's no telling what it was for and there are any number of perfectly legal reasons why he could have had it on him.  I'm just saying that there's no way I would completely discount the possibility that it was in fact for drugs.

 

No, no he doesn't. If the amount of pills was small enough to be considered for personal use and not enough to be charged with intent, the amount of money he had on him is irrelevant. Stop getting your legal education from Law & order.

 

I don't think that's true at all.  If it's a prescription drug, no matter the amount, then I believe you have to be able to prove that you got it with a legitimate doctor's prescription.  I'm pretty sure that getting caught with prescription drugs that are classified as a controlled substance without the prescription bottle is technically illegal.  so in that regard, it depends on what he actually had on him, though the majority of pills that people get addicted to are classified as controlled substances.  The amount you have on you would only come into play when determining the severity of the crime as far as I know.  But even having one xanax pill on you without being able to prove you got it with a legal prescription would be no different than having a joint on you.  

 

 

I do not see the big deal with the $29K.  A lot of people like to keep cash on hand. I am not a billionaire by a long shot and have had around that much cash on me on several occasions; several times from poker/casino (as joker mentioned), a couple times taking it to loan to friends who wanted to buy a car/boat from a private owner (rather than a dealer), I used to have a business where a nightly cash deposit could be in that range, etc ....

 

If I can think of that many reasons that I (just a regular guy) have had reason to have that much cash on me, imagine how many more reasons a billionaire whose friends and even many of his employees are millionaires would have.  I could sit here all day and rattle off reasons a billionaire businessman might have had $29K in his safe at work and was taking it home.

 

ok, but how many of those reasons would involve the billionaire driving around at 1am at 10 mph, unable to find his home in an altered state of mind possibly in possession of illegal and/or controlled substances?  sure, as of right now all of that evidence is circumstantial, but there is more than enough there for me to be pretty sure that the situation was not entirely innocent.

[jvan1973]

That all depends on the individual. Not every addict is to the point that they "want" to quit. Some want as much of whatever substance they're abusing to know they'll never need to have more. I've seen addicts before that would buy as much as they possibly can at a given time so they have that security blanket of knowing that they have enough to last them for a while.

I would say that's especially true in regards to anxiety. If you have an anxiety problem, then not having any means of stopping an anxiety attack only makes the anxiety worse. Having a couple hundred pills at your disposal gives you that relief of knowing that you're fine for a while (how long depends on the level of addiction). If you have an anxiety problem, then the anxiety doesn't just go away, and that is compounded if you have an addiction to anxiety drugs.

Now, all that said, I'm not saying the money was specifically for pain and/or anxiety meds. There's no telling what it was for and there are any number of perfectly legal reasons why he could have had it on him. I'm just saying that there's no way I would completely discount the possibility that it was in fact for drugs.

I don't think that's true at all. If it's a prescription drug, no matter the amount, then I believe you have to be able to prove that you got it with a legitimate doctor's prescription. I'm pretty sure that getting caught with prescription drugs that are classified as a controlled substance without the prescription bottle is technically illegal. so in that regard, it depends on what he actually had on him, though the majority of pills that people get addicted to are classified as controlled substances. The amount you have on you would only come into play when determining the severity of the crime as far as I know. But even having one xanax pill on you without being able to prove you got it with a legal prescription would be no different than having a joint on you.

ok, but how many of those reasons would involve the billionaire driving around at 1am at 10 mph, unable to find his home in an altered state of mind possibly in possession of illegal and/or controlled substances? sure, as of right now all of that evidence is circumstantial, but there is more than enough there for me to be pretty sure that the situation was not entirely innocent.

I never said it wasn't a crime. But the amount of money on hand is irrelevant. If he had a substantial amount and they hit him with an intent charge, then maybe the money would be a factor

[Jason_]

I never said it wasn't a crime. But the amount of money on hand is irrelevant. If he had a substantial amount and they hit him with an intent charge, then maybe the money would be a factor

 

This part made it sound like you were saying the drugs on him weren't a crime:

 

No, no he doesn't. If the amount of pills was small enough to be considered for personal use

 

As for the amount of money, yeah legally speaking, the amount of money he had on him is irrelevant for the most part because it would be difficult to prove what his intentions were.  However I still have a hard time believing that, under the circumstances, there was a legally legitimate use he had planned for the money.  The "poker game" scenario is one of few I could believe.

[jvan1973]

This part made it sound like you were saying the drugs on him weren't a crime:

As for the amount of money, yeah legally speaking, the amount of money he had on him is irrelevant for the most part because it would be difficult to prove what his intentions were. However I still have a hard time believing that, under the circumstances, there was a legally legitimate use he had planned for the money. The "poker game" scenario is one of few I could believe.

He doesn't have to explain what the money was for.

[Jason_]

He doesn't have to explain what the money was for.

 

No, at this point unless the police or court say otherwise, he does not have to explain what the money was for.  However, considering all of the circumstances, not giving an explanation leaves further doubt as to the legality of what he was doing that night.  I also find it very hard to believe that he won't be badgered by reporters (once they're able to interview him) about the money until he gives a convincing explanation of the perfectly reasonable and legal reasons he had for having the money on him that night.  

[Superman]

That all depends on the individual.  Not every addict is to the point that they "want" to quit.  Some want as much of whatever substance they're abusing to know they'll never need to have more.  I've seen addicts before that would buy as much as they possibly can at a given time so they have that security blanket of knowing that they have enough to last them for a while.  

 

I would say that's especially true in regards to anxiety.  If you have an anxiety problem, then not having any means of stopping an anxiety attack only makes the anxiety worse.  Having a couple hundred pills at your disposal gives you that relief of knowing that you're fine for a while (how long depends on the level of addiction).  If you have an anxiety problem, then the anxiety doesn't just go away, and that is compounded if you have an addiction to anxiety drugs.

 

Now, all that said, I'm not saying the money was specifically for pain and/or anxiety meds.  There's no telling what it was for and there are any number of perfectly legal reasons why he could have had it on him.  I'm just saying that there's no way I would completely discount the possibility that it was in fact for drugs.

 

I'm just saying, $29k buys A LOT of Xanax. Way more than a couple hundred pills.

 

My previous post was mostly general supposition; I don't know what was going on that night or why Irsay had the money. But that amount of money, related to illegal drugs, and you're more looking at dealer activity than personal use. I could easily buy that Irsay wanted a couple hundred pain pills (although that would probably be more likely with something stronger than a Schedule IV drug, like Oxy or Vicodin), but that amount of money buys more than a personal stockpile. 

 

And as a billionaire, if Irsay had $3-5k on him, we'd never think twice about it. 

 

There is absolutely NO way that we can discount that the money was for drugs at this point. You're right about that. And like Old Crow said, his money will be a part of whatever investigation might be taking place. Doesn't matter who you are, if you have that kind of money and illegal drugs on you, they are going to look into it. But it's hard to believe that the money had anything to do with the drugs he had on him.