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Luck snubbed for Pro Bowl in favour of Schaub.

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if you can explain to me the significance of QBR or what it means then I will think about acceping that argument, Because to me nobody can explain it and once they try they cant tell me why one play raises it higher then others and again less pass attempts means significabtly less risk which mean potential for much higher QBR

 

 

I think more than anything it measures efficiency. I would call Rodgers, Brady, Manning, even Smith efficient. I would not call Henne, Locker, Sanchez or Weeden efficient. 

 

I agree with you that less pass attempts equals less risk (for a good QB) but if you were to look at Luck's first 375 pass attempts I'm sure his QBR would not be much different.

 

For comparison, look at Cutler, Vick's attempts, similar in quantity but their QBRs are much lower. WIlson is one less than Griffin and almost breaks 100, like Griffin he is a smart, efficient QB.

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and given Griiffins 20 td's and barely 3000+ yards passing (1000+ less then Luck) then Griffin would not either using that logic also ya cant use the rushing td's argument either Luck has 1 less of those, Its not out of the question Luck would be close to the same number of yards as well if he ran for the exact number of times Griffin has (not quite as much obviously given there average ypc but very close)

You CAN use rushing TD and rushing yards.  Yea Luck has 1 less rushing TD but I havent seen Luck take a run 76 yards to the house either.

 

Luck should have a bagillion passing yards. Isnt he top 5 in pass attempts? 600 pass attempts lol wow.  Passing yards are cool, but not everything.  Ask Matthew Stafford. 

 

And NO WAY would Luck have the same amount of rushing yards.  He is nowhere near the athelete that RG3 is.  This has been WELL documented. C'mon man...really lol.  Not saying he isnt a good athelete because he is.  He isnt in the same league as RG3, but to be fair to Luck, not many players in the NFL are from a pure athletic stand point.

 

And to say that Coaches and players would not vote in RG3 would be wrong.  Look at the stats.  He is one of the top QB's in the NFL in the stats that matter:

 

Completion %

TD/Int Ratio

Yards per pass attempt

 

Is RG3 a popular player?  Absolutely

Did that help him in the Pro Bowl voting? Sure

But to say that the coaches and players dont buy into this guy would be wrong, in my opinion.

 

As I said in another post, when the average fan tunes in for highlights, they see Luck throwing interceptions all over the field and I believe this really hurt him with fan voters, players and coaches. 

 

And this is not to say that players and coaches dont buy into Luck because they do,,,the dude is great, I've been on record of saying that, but he hasnt had as good as season as Rg3.  The fact is RG3 has been the most consistent rookie quarterback this year.  He hasnt had a 400 yard game or broken the passing yardage record for rookies, but he also doesnt have 10 games of at least 1 interception and 5 games of at least 2 or more interceptions.  That stuff matters, no matter how much people will try to downplay it.

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if you can explain to me the significance of QBR or what it means then I will think about acceping that argument, Because to me nobody can explain it and once they try they cant tell me why one play raises it higher then others and again less pass attempts means significabtly less risk which mean potential for much higher QBR

Yea the QBR is weird. The way it's explained by ESPN is that rates the probability that a team will win based on the plays that a QB makes.  Each play is not weighted the same, so a 10 yard pass for a first down in the 1st quarter in a 0-0 game is given fewer points than a 5 yard pass for a first down in the 4th quarter with 5 minutes left in a tie game.

 

I think the QBR was made for 3 reasons:

 

Michael Vick/Aaron Rodgers - How does a qb who scrambles the ball affect the outcome of a game.  Traditional QBR wont give you this, ESPN QBR does.

Tony Romo - How do we capture a quaterback that puts up great numbers, but is not clutch when it matters.  Traditional QBR wont give you this, ESPN QBR does.

Eli Manning - How do we capture a quaterback that doesnt excite you with his stats but comes through when it matters. Traditional QBR wont give you this, ESPN QBR does.

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You CAN use rushing TD and rushing yards.  Yea Luck has 1 less rushing TD but I havent seen Luck take a run 76 yards to the house either.

 

Luck should have a bagillion passing yards. Isnt he top 5 in pass attempts? 600 pass attempts lol wow.  Passing yards are cool, but not everything.  Ask Matthew Stafford. 

 

And NO WAY would Luck have the same amount of rushing yards.  He is nowhere near the athelete that RG3 is.  This has been WELL documented. C'mon man...really lol.  Not saying he isnt a good athelete because he is.  He isnt in the same league as RG3, but to be fair to Luck, not many players in the NFL are from a pure athletic stand point.

 

And to say that Coaches and players would not vote in RG3 would be wrong.  Look at the stats.  He is one of the top QB's in the NFL in the stats that matter:

 

Completion %

TD/Int Ratio

Yards per pass attempt

 

Is RG3 a popular player?  Absolutely

Did that help him in the Pro Bowl voting? Sure

But to say that the coaches and players dont buy into this guy would be wrong, in my opinion.

 

As I said in another post, when the average fan tunes in for highlights, they see Luck throwing interceptions all over the field and I believe this really hurt him with fan voters, players and coaches. 

 

And this is not to say that players and coaches dont buy into Luck because they do,,,the dude is great, I've been on record of saying that, but he hasnt had as good as season as Rg3.  The fact is RG3 has been the most consistent rookie quarterback this year.  He hasnt had a 400 yard game or broken the passing yardage record for rookies, but he also doesnt have 10 games of at least 1 interception and 5 games of at least 2 or more interceptions.  That stuff matters, no matter how much people will try to downplay it.

I don't think anybody here has tried to downplay Bob Griffin's athletic ability. The kid has competed in the Olympic Trials for crying out loud. He's a freakishly good athlete. I think peoples' points on here are that Bob Griffin gets more of the praise than others on his team. He is their quarterback, so that is a fair assessment. However, what about Alfred Morris? Much of Bob's deep ball success comes from successful play-action. 1,413 yards rushing from another rookie on the team will help with that. As far as the "average fan [tuning] in for highlights, they see Luck throwing interceptions all over the field", this is mularkey. More often than not, they see a 4th quarter comeback win, a passing record getting broken, or Luck making something happen out of a pocket comprised of swiss cheese. As for the highlights I see of Griffin, they have comprised of a concussion hit, a pass interference call against him when Shanahan sent him deep for a pass, and his leg playing stretch armstrong with Haloti Ngata. I worry for Bob Griffin's safety as much as I do Luck.

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Wilson is having a better season than Griffin and he didn't make it. Luck has set numerous records and is definitely in the playoffs. That is why it is a joke. Not to mention the Redskins won without Griffin.

 

Wilson still lags behind Griffin in terms of production even in spite of the events of the last three weeks (which, despite the point totals the Seahawks managed, were less impressive individual performance for Wilson than the comparable 3 game streak Griffin had in weeks 11-13).  Wilson has a better surrounding cast, too, with a comparable run game and a VASTLY superior defense.

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Coming from someone with a degree in sarcasm, my detector is sending out strong signals...

Your detector is broken ,you were the same one who was on here ridiculing fans for thinknig they had a shot at the playoffs. Yout Texans have another year or two and it's going to be back to the same old in the AFC South.

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Your detector is broken ,you were the same one who was on here ridiculing fans for thinknig they had a shot at the playoffs. Yout Texans have another year or two and it's going to be back to the same old in the AFC South.

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He'll make the pro bowl. Brady never goes for some reason.

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lol why?  He's put up great numbers. And he's winning.

 

So is Russell Wilson. And he hasn't missed playing time or had his backup and come in and win games for him ;)

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Manning and Brady definitely deserve to be there, but Matt Schaub is just a guy. He's the guy that just hands the ball off and sets up the play action and tries not to screw up too bad while the running game and defense carry the load.

 

Luck is single-handedly winning for a team that went 2-14 last year. That surely deserved some acknowledgement. Nevertheless, Luck will indeed make it to the Pro Bowl this year as an alternate unless Joe Flacco takes the Ravens to the ship. Which...won't happen.

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Wrong.

 

Their defense lost em that game.

 

As far as interceptions.

 

You don't have that many interceptions when you run most of the time and when you don't play half of your games because you're hurt.

He only missed 1 game lol....And if you guys think a qb that only completes 54% of his passes and has 18 INT's 4 of them that were pick 6's deserves it then your nuts. You guys will bring up well look at all the yards he threw for. Well when you throw 60 times a game I hope you have that kinda yardage. I GUESS MATTHEW STAFFORD DESERVES TO BE A PROBOWLER RIGHT. HES HAD A SIMILAR YEAR AS LUCK STATS WISE AND HES COMPLETING 60% OF HIS PASSES AND GUESS WHAT HAS THROWN WAY MORE THEN LUCK. The only thing Luck had over RG3 this year earlier in the season was wins but guess what things have changed in that regard. So many RG3 haters on here it's ridiculous. RG3 has had a fabulous year and does deserve it THIS SEASON OVER BREES....He beat Brees head up on the road in NEW ORLEANS mind you and he has a better record. If Brees would have made it over him would I have been mad? NO...but Brees didn't get snubbed. Richard Sherman got snubbed Alfred Morris got snubbed. Snubbed is when non deserving guys get in over deserving guys. RG3 and Brees were both deserving.

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Luck is single-handedly winning for a team that went 2-14 last year

Why not give credit to a defense that is consistently put in poor situations because of turnovers? If I recall the Colts give up some of the fewest points off turnovers in the NFL. Also, the Colts have only won twice when the defense gives up more than 21 points.

That surely deserved some acknowledgement

The love for Luck has been repeated ad nauseum on just about every major media site.

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Why not give credit to a defense that is consistently put in poor situations because of turnovers? If I recall the Colts give up some of the fewest points off turnovers in the NFL. Also, the Colts have only won twice when the defense gives up more than 21 points.

The love for Luck has been repeated ad nauseum on just about every major media site.

 

 

Totally. The D has come up with 10 INTs and 4 Forced Fumbles so I guess you couldn't say they were returning the favor then? The whole team has gotten 2 more INTs than Tim Jennings, and as many Forced Fumbles as J.J. Watt...yay! So for a team that is 10-5, who do we credit? 

 

A) One of the leagues worst defenses (26th)

B) One of the leagues worst rushing offenses (22nd)

C) One of the leagues worst offensive lines (28th)

D) One of the leagues best passing offenses (7th)

 

If you chose D. By proxy, you chose to agree with my original statement.

 

I don't wanna hear about the WR's either. Their catch rates are not very impressive. Avery - 49%, Hilton - 55%, Wayne - 56%. 

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lol why?  He's put up great numbers. And he's winning.

21 TD's 18 INTs and qbr 75.      Luck is having a solid rookie year and will be a very good qb in years to come. but i wouldnt say he got snubbed.

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21 TD's 18 INTs and qbr 75.      Luck is having a solid rookie year and will be a very good qb in years to come. but i wouldnt say he got snubbed.

agreed

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The only thing Luck had over RG3 this year earlier in the season was wins but guess what things have changed in that regard.

10 is more than 8 where i come from. Plus cousins made the comeback against the ravens. So its really 7. Yep, he still has him in that regard

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He only missed 1 game lol....And if you guys think a qb that only completes 54% of his passes and has 18 INT's 4 of them that were pick 6's deserves it then your nuts. You guys will bring up well look at all the yards he threw for. Well when you throw 60 times a game I hope you have that kinda yardage. I GUESS MATTHEW STAFFORD DESERVES TO BE A PROBOWLER RIGHT. HES HAD A SIMILAR YEAR AS LUCK STATS WISE AND HES COMPLETING 60% OF HIS PASSES AND GUESS WHAT HAS THROWN WAY MORE THEN LUCK. The only thing Luck had over RG3 this year earlier in the season was wins but guess what things have changed in that regard. So many RG3 haters on here it's ridiculous. RG3 has had a fabulous year and does deserve it THIS SEASON OVER BREES....He beat Brees head up on the road in NEW ORLEANS mind you and he has a better record. If Brees would have made it over him would I have been mad? NO...but Brees didn't get snubbed. Richard Sherman got snubbed Alfred Morris got snubbed. Snubbed is when non deserving guys get in over deserving guys. RG3 and Brees were both deserving.

 

He only missed 1 game lol....And if you guys think a qb that only completes 54% of his passes and has 18 INT's 4 of them that were pick 6's deserves it then your nuts. You guys will bring up well look at all the yards he threw for. Well when you throw 60 times a game I hope you have that kinda yardage. I GUESS MATTHEW STAFFORD DESERVES TO BE A PROBOWLER RIGHT. HES HAD A SIMILAR YEAR AS LUCK STATS WISE AND HES COMPLETING 60% OF HIS PASSES AND GUESS WHAT HAS THROWN WAY MORE THEN LUCK. The only thing Luck had over RG3 this year earlier in the season was wins but guess what things have changed in that regard. So many RG3 haters on here it's ridiculous. RG3 has had a fabulous year and does deserve it THIS SEASON OVER BREES....He beat Brees head up on the road in NEW ORLEANS mind you and he has a better record. If Brees would have made it over him would I have been mad? NO...but Brees didn't get snubbed. Richard Sherman got snubbed Alfred Morris got snubbed. Snubbed is when non deserving guys get in over deserving guys. RG3 and Brees were both deserving.

 

 

He only missed 1 game lol....And if you guys think a qb that only completes 54% of his passes and has 18 INT's 4 of them that were pick 6's deserves it then your nuts. You guys will bring up well look at all the yards he threw for. Well when you throw 60 times a game I hope you have that kinda yardage. I GUESS MATTHEW STAFFORD DESERVES TO BE A PROBOWLER RIGHT. HES HAD A SIMILAR YEAR AS LUCK STATS WISE AND HES COMPLETING 60% OF HIS PASSES AND GUESS WHAT HAS THROWN WAY MORE THEN LUCK. The only thing Luck had over RG3 this year earlier in the season was wins but guess what things have changed in that regard. So many RG3 haters on here it's ridiculous. RG3 has had a fabulous year and does deserve it THIS SEASON OVER BREES....He beat Brees head up on the road in NEW ORLEANS mind you and he has a better record. If Brees would have made it over him would I have been mad? NO...but Brees didn't get snubbed. Richard Sherman got snubbed Alfred Morris got snubbed. Snubbed is when non deserving guys get in over deserving guys. RG3 and Brees were both deserving.

I don't think anybody is saying RG3 is overrated or didn't deserve to go . Your right Lucks percentage is bad, but so was Peyton's his rookie year. Luck has calmly and cooly taken over several games  when it counted, in the fourth quarter, so the stats  in this case are irrelevant. It's when you do it that counts.  I disagree, I feel like Luck is far more important to the Colt's than Schaub is to Houston. They have more talent around him. He's an allright QB but Luck is a game closer . So in short, your wrong.

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21 TD's 18 INTs and qbr 75.      Luck is having a solid rookie year and will be a very good qb in years to come. but i wouldnt say he got snubbed.

yes he did, he has 7 or 8 comeback wins. Colt's are 2-12 again without him and with a bum like Painter. Stats are for losers, why bring that up? Joe Montana on paper stat wise was a very good QB, but everyone knows what he did when it counted so that made him possibly the greatest.

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Do you honestly think Luck deserved to be in a "pro" bowl? 

yes, 8 comeback wins on a team with limited talent, against a guy who really is  just in there not to screw it up , Schaub. Yes, Yes, and Yes.

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10 is more than 8 where i come from. Plus cousins made the comeback against the ravens. So its really 7. Yep, he still has him in that regard
We can go back in forth bottom line is the Redskins are 9-6 and the colts are 10-5...Most likely yall will end the season 10-6 because honestly the Texans need this game more and whooped that tail last time they played. If the Skins beat the Cowboys they are division champs last time I checked DIVISION CHAMPS > WILDCARD.....Like I said how come no one is praising Matthew Stafford who has almost the exact same stats as Luck? And if the Colts had the same record as the lions yall would still be saying the same thing with the built in excuse that he is playing on a team that last year was 2-14 even though everyone else on the planet realizes ya'll weren't that bad your QB was hurt and you had to start Curtis Freaking Painter lol....That team for the previous 11 seasons for the most part won 10+ games. AND YOU FORGET TO MENTION HOW TERRIBLE YOUR SCHEDULE WAS THIS SEASON KC INDY AND JACKSONVILLE TWICE THE JETS AND BROWNS AND BTW THE JETS WHIPPED YOUR butt. THE ONLY GOOD WIN YA'LL HAVE IS GREENBAY AND THEY DIDN'T HIT THEIR STRIDE YET AT THAT TIME. ALL THE GOOD TEAMS LUCK PLAYED (BEARS,TEXANS, PATRIOTS) BEAT YOU BY 20+ POINTS. The Skins biggest loss was 15 points every other loss was within a TD. The redskins have been terrible for 20+ years RG3 comes in and all of a sudden they might win the NFC East they are a top 5 offense they average damn near 30 points a game they have the leagues #1 rushing attack. HOW ANYONE CAN SAY LUCK HAD A BETTER YEAR OR RG3 DOESN'T DESERVE HIS AWARDS IS INSANE AND VERY UNINFORMED.

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Totally. The D has come up with 10 INTs and 4 Forced Fumbles so I guess you couldn't say they were returning the favor then? The whole team has gotten 2 more INTs than Tim Jennings, and as many Forced Fumbles as J.J. Watt...yay! So for a team that is 10-5, who do we credit? 

 

A) One of the leagues worst defenses (26th)

B) One of the leagues worst rushing offenses (22nd)

C) One of the leagues worst offensive lines (28th)

D) One of the leagues best passing offenses (7th)

 

If you chose D. By proxy, you chose to agree with my original statement.

 

I don't wanna hear about the WR's either. Their catch rates are not very impressive. Avery - 49%, Hilton - 55%, Wayne - 56%. 

Did I mention turnovers by the defense? No. They are not very opportunistic, that much is certain, but they do an excellent job keeping other teams out of the endzone after turnovers. The amount of yardage given up is a corrollary to the Colts' inability to run the ball (by design, of course, because Arians has been and will always be a stubborn offensive coordinator) and penchant for turnovers. Short fields plus a large time of possession gives an opposing offense plenty of time to pile up the yards. Unfortunately for them, they aren't the last ones to get the ball.

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We can go back in forth bottom line is the Redskins are 9-6 and the colts are 10-5...Most likely yall will end the season 10-6 because honestly the Texans need this game more and whooped that tail last time they played. If the Skins beat the Cowboys they are division champs last time I checked DIVISION CHAMPS > WILDCARD.....Like I said how come no one is praising Matthew Stafford who has almost the exact same stats as Luck? And if the Colts had the same record as the lions yall would still be saying the same thing with the built in excuse that he is playing on a team that last year was 2-14 even though everyone else on the planet realizes ya'll weren't that bad your QB was hurt and you had to start Curtis Freaking Painter lol....That team for the previous 11 seasons for the most part won 10+ games. AND YOU FORGET TO MENTION HOW TERRIBLE YOUR SCHEDULE WAS THIS SEASON KC INDY AND JACKSONVILLE TWICE THE JETS AND BROWNS AND BTW THE JETS WHIPPED YOUR butt. THE ONLY GOOD WIN YA'LL HAVE IS GREENBAY AND THEY DIDN'T HIT THEIR STRIDE YET AT THAT TIME. ALL THE GOOD TEAMS LUCK PLAYED (BEARS,TEXANS, PATRIOTS) BEAT YOU BY 20+ POINTS. The Skins biggest loss was 15 points every other loss was within a TD. The redskins have been terrible for 20+ years RG3 comes in and all of a sudden they might win the NFC East they are a top 5 offense they average damn near 30 points a game they have the leagues #1 rushing attack. HOW ANYONE CAN SAY LUCK HAD A BETTER YEAR OR RG3 DOESN'T DESERVE HIS AWARDS IS INSANE AND VERY UNINFORMED.

Cowboys win this sunday. Stafford has not led 8 fourth quarter comebacks, he fizzles  comebacks. I can refute your ridiculous arguments all day , but wish you would just go back to Skins.com or Warpath or whatever you came from. The  Packers didn't hit their stride, lol, yada yada yada.  You better return if, and likely when, your Redskins lose this weekend.  You sure are putting the cart before the horse aren't you.  Nobodies disparaging RG3 , or said he don't deserve anything,  just that when it comes to Matt Schaub, Luck should be in ahead of him.

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I don't think anybody is saying RG3 is overrated or didn't deserve to go . Your right Lucks percentage is bad, but so was Peyton's his rookie year. Luck has calmly and cooly taken over several games  when it counted, in the fourth quarter, so the stats  in this case are irrelevant. It's when you do it that counts.  I disagree, I feel like Luck is far more important to the Colt's than Schaub is to Houston. They have more talent around him. He's an allright QB but Luck is a game closer . So in short, your wrong.
Common man Peytons team his rookie year was much worse than this team. There is no way Luck should only have a 54% completion percentage. Matthew Stafford has thrown 100+ more passes and he still completes 60% of his passes. ALL ELITE QB'S ARE 60% OR ABOVE. Luck gets so many excuses to why he turns the ball over and why his % is so terrible. He has been under 50% the last 4 games. HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND SAY HE DESERVES A PROBOWL NOD OVER SHAUB. HELL ANDY DALTON WAS THE REAL QB TO GET SNUBBED HE HAD A FANTASTIC SEASON 3,591 YDS. 26 td'S 16 INT'S 62.2% COMPLETION PERCENTAGE. THATS A BETTER SEASON THEN LUCK AND OH YEAH THE BENGALS MADE THE PLAYOFFS AS WELL.

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Cowboys win this sunday. Stafford has not led 8 fourth quarter comebacks, he fizzles  comebacks. I can refute your ridiculous arguments all day , but wish you would just go back to Skins.com or Warpath or whatever you came from.
cOWBOYS WIN ON SUNDAY IS YOUR REBUTTAL? AND IF THEY DON'T THEN WHAT? Some of yall just dont wanna look at the stats. And BTW if Stafford played that horrible schedule yall played he would have won 10 + games as well. Does Luck comeback in games...YES....But most of the time the comebacks are needed because he puts you in such a hole with his mistakes and with the terrible teams you play he shouldn't have to comeback...You guys barely beat a HORRENDOUS chiefs team....That shouldn't even count as a comeback win that should just be an embarrasment.

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Both QBs are great but Ill say this, be prepared because RG3 will probably win ROTY too. He is very popular and all the basic fans buy into what I call surface stats. He has been very good dont get me wrong but luck has set records, been very clutch and performed in clutch situations repeatedly and has been a bigger impact player to me. That or iy will be Wilson, especially if Seattle makes a run which tbey could. They are gonna be dangerous. Just informing, dont get hopes up on Luck winning ROTY because Im willing to bet it will go to Rg3 or Wilson. And alot of it is the popularity contest.

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Sorry, but if a QB from some other team had almost a 1:1 TD:INT ration, and a 54% completion rate, no one here would be in favor of that QB making the Pro Bowl.

 

Exactly.  .....    well   ....  until someone else pipes in and mentions this QB has 7 game winning and comeback drives thsi year, and 10 wins total.  With one more game to play.  Hmmmm....

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Common man Peytons team his rookie year was much worse than this team. There is no way Luck should only have a 54% completion percentage. Matthew Stafford has thrown 100+ more passes and he still completes 60% of his passes. ALL ELITE QB'S ARE 60% OR ABOVE. Luck gets so many excuses to why he turns the ball over and why his % is so terrible. He has been under 50% the last 4 games. HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND SAY HE DESERVES A PROBOWL NOD OVER SHAUB. HELL ANDY DALTON WAS THE REAL QB TO GET SNUBBED HE HAD A FANTASTIC SEASON 3,591 YDS. 26 td'S 16 INT'S 62.2% COMPLETION PERCENTAGE. THATS A BETTER SEASON THEN LUCK AND OH YEAH THE BENGALS MADE THE PLAYOFFS AS WELL.

 

Common man Peytons team his rookie year was much worse than this team. There is no way Luck should only have a 54% completion percentage. Matthew Stafford has thrown 100+ more passes and he still completes 60% of his passes. ALL ELITE QB'S ARE 60% OR ABOVE. Luck gets so many excuses to why he turns the ball over and why his % is so terrible. He has been under 50% the last 4 games. HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND SAY HE DESERVES A PROBOWL NOD OVER SHAUB. HELL ANDY DALTON WAS THE REAL QB TO GET SNUBBED HE HAD A FANTASTIC SEASON 3,591 YDS. 26 td'S 16 INT'S 62.2% COMPLETION PERCENTAGE. THATS A BETTER SEASON THEN LUCK AND OH YEAH THE BENGALS MADE THE PLAYOFFS AS WELL.

Peyton threw 28 picks his rookie season, and had a much better Oline, had Harrison and a decent recieving crew. The defense was awful. So once again WRONG. The same team with a few pickups was 13-3 the following year 99. Once again, stats don't mean jack, it's when you perform and your importance to the team, 8 comeback wins, nuff said.  Dalton has better talent around him, he is a better version of Schaub, but he don't have the cred in the fourth quarter. Keep bringing up stats, they lie. Look at Joe Montanas stats and Romo's and you would say this Romo is probably just as good or better. But that is not the case, and why is that, Montana delivered  when it counted. Why is it so hard for you to understand this concept.

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Both QBs are great but Ill say this, be prepared because RG3 will probably win ROTY too. He is very popular and all the basic fans buy into what I call surface stats. He has been very good dont get me wrong but luck has set records, been very clutch and performed in clutch situations repeatedly and has been a bigger impact player to me. That or iy will be Wilson, especially if Seattle makes a run which tbey could. They are gonna be dangerous. Just informing, dont get hopes up on Luck winning ROTY because Im willing to bet it will go to Rg3 or Wilson. And alot of it is the popularity contest.

Maybe they'll tie  :?:

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The game is not even watchable anymore. Is "watchable" a word ? For sure not but anyone that watches this game is either a monster fan or a dunsky. The last play I saw in a Pro Bowl was Dwight Freeney doing something that looked like a waltz with a left tackle. The ball was snapped , they engaged their arms and moved side to side ountil the whistle blew. 

Exactly...............it is the nomination that is nice.....the Pro Bowl became a joke........We know we have a good QB, and so do the other teams.  And.......RG3 HAS had a great year to all of the haters there.  Other than fancy socks....what is there not to like about his play.....(blinding socks are a detriment to the blitz package...as info.) :)

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Peyton threw 28 picks his rookie season, and had a much better Oline, had Harrison and a decent recieving crew. The defense was awful. So once again WRONG. The same team with a few pickups was 13-3 the following year 99. Once again, stats don't mean jack, it's when you perform and your importance to the team, 8 comeback wins, nuff said.  Dalton has better talent around him, he is a better version of Schaub, but he don't have the cred in the fourth quarter. Keep bringing up stats, they lie. Look at Joe Montanas stats and Romo's and you would say this Romo is probably just as good or better. But that is not the case, and why is that, Montana delivered  when it counted. hy is it so hard for you to understand this concept.
I understand the concept but my point is you shouldn't have to comeback against the CHEIFS...Does he have molre comeback wins then RG3 yes...BUT RG3 for the most part hasent had to comeback to win he's taken care of business before the last 2 minutes. Not to mention Luck has not done it against good teams. When he's played the bears and patriots and Texans he's been blown out.And bringing up Joe Montana isnt smart he had the numbers to go along with the comebacks and I know for damn sure he never only completed 54% of his passes. LISTEN I LOVE LUCK AND I THINK HES GONNA BE GOOD I JUST CAN'T STAND PEOPLE BEING * IF HE DOESNT WIN AN AWARD....THIS YEAR THERE HAVE BEEN BETTER ROOKIE QB'S RG3 AND WILSON HAVE BEEN BETTER...WILL THEY BE BETTER IN THE LONG RUN I CAN'T SAY WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.
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Exactly.  .....    well   ....  until someone else pipes in and mentions this QB has 7 game winning and comeback drives thsi year, and 10 wins total.  With one more game to play.  Hmmmm....

Aaron Rodgers has had far fewer than 8 comeback wins this year.

Would you argue that Andrew Luck is better than Aaron Rodgers?

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Exactly...............it is the nomination that is nice.....the Pro Bowl became a joke........We know we have a good QB, and so do the other teams.  And.......RG3 HAS had a great year to all of the haters there.  Other than fancy socks....what is there not to like about his play.....(blinding socks are a detriment to the blitz package...as info.) :)

I think your looking for haters where there are none. If you bothered to read any of the nonsense on here most of it is coming from the east coast.

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How is it flawed? So, so flawed?

Are the pro bowl teams not supposed to contain the best players of each position?

Andrew Luck is not one of the top three QB's in the AFC.

So why does Andrew Luck belong?

Did I say he did belong? No.

The notion that only the elite go is flawed. Is Griffin more elite than Brees? No. Was Dallas Clark not elite for the majority of his career?

How elite was Vince Young?

How about Big Ben? Shouldn't he be going. He's won two Super Bowls. How much more elite than that can you get?

And did I read that Ray Lewis was going? He didn't play for half the year, and he's like 100.

There is a lot that goes into the pro bowl besides just being "elite", or best of the best.

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Aaron Rodgers has had far fewer than 8 comeback wins this year.

Would you argue that Andrew Luck is better than Aaron Rodgers?

Aaron Rodgers don't need comebacks with his team, it has far more talent. If you acknowledge this you must also acknowledge Lucks comeback wins make him very valuable. Would Aaron Rodgers go 10-6 with this Colt's squad, maybe or maybe not. I have my doubts. He lost to this team remember. Matt Flynn suckered the Seahawks into paying him millions by looking like Johnny Unitas with this Packers bunch. I  would not argue that Luck is better than Rodgers right now, Rodgers is one of the 3 best in the game, but I also don't think the gap is as wide as you may believe.

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Aaron Rodgers has had far fewer than 8 comeback wins this year.

Would you argue that Andrew Luck is better than Aaron Rodgers?

How does that argument work exactly lol.

Just because one excells at something doesn't mean the other isn't good.

People are stating a case of Andrews worthiness, and unless your being biased, his comebacks deserve to be mentioned. Just like his passing yards. That's part of what makes Andrew special.

You can discuss the merits and how meaningful the comebacks and yards have been. But acting like they are meaningLESS is silly. We are a 10 win team, so it's not as if he racked up all these yards in garbage time. Or that the comebacks didn't earn us a significant amount of wins.

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Did I say he did belong? No.

The notion that only the elite go is flawed. Is Griffin more elite than Brees? No. Was Dallas Clark not elite for the majority of his career?

How elite was Vince Young?

How about Big Ben? Shouldn't he be going. He's won two Super Bowls. How much more elite than that can you get?

And did I read that Ray Lewis was going? He didn't play for half the year, and he's like 100.

There is a lot that goes into the pro bowl besides just being "elite", or best of the best.

It's a popularity contest . But so is the MLB game too, Bryce Harper had a good rookie year but he didn't deserve the All-Star game anymore than I did.

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Look at Joe Montanas stats and Romo's and you would say this Romo is probably just as good or better. But that is not the case, and why is that, Montana delivered  when it counted. Why is it so hard for you to understand this concept.

Luck definitely delivers when it matters most, which is something I think a lot of people may overlook.

 

But, this is a bad comparison. Comparing stats of a QB who played in the 1980's with one playing in today's era is extremely flawed for multiple reasons..

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Luck definitely delivers when it matters most, which is something I think a lot of people may overlook.

 

But, this is a bad comparison. Comparing stats of a QB who played in the 1980's with one playing in today's era is extremely flawed for multiple reasons..

i see your point, but Montanas stats were not special even then. I think he only threw for over 30 TD's a couple times all the while guys like Marino and Everett, while good players also, were lighting up scoreboards with better passing stats, So I say the comparison is still relevant. Romo  is a statistical  superstar just like a  lot of passers from the 80's.

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I think your looking for haters where there are none. If you bothered to read any of the nonsense on here most of it is coming from the east coast.

By on here I mean the forum......go back to sleep!  Just because I have not been on here for a few days does not mean I have suddenly have zero clue....where the arguments (excuse me debates) come from......aim towards.....etc....I started reading the FIRST page not the last.....and the post I quoted was mentioning who I discussed and was joking about......and I actually see as a  VERY good NFL QB!)  

 

I was not going to read 5 pages of meadow muffins......horse hockey.......what else ya want me to call it?...if it looks like....and smells like...it must be. I was making fun of socks.... :spit::funny:  Happy December 27th......GO  :colts:  :colts:  :colts:

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