Do you see any progress with Richardson?

[JColts72]

2 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Do you understand what development means? If you wasn't impressed with his play today then you are not a fan of his. 

Shame.

What are you the say all for every fan? Fan since 72. Can be fan of team as whole but doesn't mean if a player is not playing well don't have to automatically think is so. Shame on you for not being objective.

Edited 14 hours ago by JColts72
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[compuls1v3]

27 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

He said so, the commentators said it and AR said he could have came back in post game.

Ah thanks.   So he was benched?

[Stephen]

Just now, compuls1v3 said:

Ah thanks.   So he was benched?

No  they were just bringing cautious 

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 minutes ago, compuls1v3 said:

Ah thanks.   So he was benched?

Yeah, it was coaches decision. 

[compuls1v3]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah, it was coaches decision. 

LOL.  2 opposite  answers.  I hope he got benched.   He needed to slide there.   Got to keep him accountable. 

[crazycolt1]

16 minutes ago, JColts72 said:

What are you the say all for every fan? Fan since 72. Can be fan of team as whole but doesn't mean if a player is not playing well don't have to automatically think is so. Shame on you for not being objective.

I don't speak for anyone but myself. 

Objective thinking is paramount.  

[a06cc]

Coaches decision or made of glass after we haven’t called running plays for him until today…

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, compuls1v3 said:

LOL.  2 opposite  answers.  I hope he got benched.   He needed to slide there.   Got to keep him accountable. 

I had no issue with Shane going the rest of the game with Flacco. Flacco was doing exactly what he was brought in to do.  

Win a game when called upon 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, compuls1v3 said:

LOL.  2 opposite  answers.  I hope he got benched.   He needed to slide there.   Got to keep him accountable. 

I am probably on Budweiser #15 by now after this big win so whatever I say just go with it - It was Shane though that kept him out. AR's injury is like a week or 2 injury. 

[a06cc]

Dude hasn’t even taken a snap under center. This is year 2 and enough with “project and only 22” excuses. Like last season 4 games and he’s out 

[DougDew]

2 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I said I would allow him to run out the year before being  critical of him. However, the injuries are really starting to worry me. Only 2 years in the league and he is losing valuable reps and he needs to be much better and learn to go down.

Just my "crazy" eyes of course, but AR does not look 6'5 255# to me, although I'm sure the combine measurements are correct.  Comparisons to Josh Allen physically just isn't there, IMO. 

 

And, he kinda looks too much like a rag doll when he gets tackled for how big he's supposed to be.  Very un-Allen-ish.  Even un-Levis-ish.  Lamar looks more athletic and in control of himself when he gets tackled, and he's fairly small.

[presto123]

My prediction before the season ever started was that Richardson wouldn't make it until halfway through the season without getting injured. Here we are. 3 and a half games in.

[Patrick Miller]

1 minute ago, presto123 said:

My prediction before the season ever started was that Richardson wouldn't make it until halfway through the season without getting injured. Here we are. 3 and a half games in.

Hopefully it’s not serious though. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Just my "crazy" eyes of course, but AR does not look 6'5 255# to me, although I'm sure the combine measurements are correct.  Comparisons to Josh Allen physically just isn't there, IMO. 

 

And, he kinda looks too much like a rag doll when he gets tackled for how big he's supposed to be.  Very un-Allen-ish.  Even un-Levis-ish.  Lamar looks more athletic and in control of himself when he gets tackled, and he's fairly small.

Levis has more muscle mass, AR is tall, so he is built different. AR looks 6'6 to me so he comes off looking less muscular if that makes sense.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, presto123 said:

My prediction before the season ever started was that Richardson wouldn't make it until halfway through the season without getting injured. Here we are. 3 and a half games in.

Steichen pretty much said if colts hadn’t had the 17/0 lead he would have kept playing. It’s not that serious 

[presto123]

4 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Steichen pretty much said if colts hadn’t had the 17/0 lead he would have kept playing. It’s not that serious 

Hope that is the case. We are going to win too many games to draft Manning.  lol

[Blueblood23]

14 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Steichen pretty much said if colts hadn’t had the 17/0 lead he would have kept playing. It’s not that serious 

If he’s not really hurt, then he needs to be in there for his development. They don’t hardly play him in preseason games, so when does he get experience?

[azcolt]

1 hour ago, Blueblood23 said:

If he’s not really hurt, then he needs to be in there for his development. They don’t hardly play him in preseason games, so when does he get experience?

It appears the Colts were fooled by his physical stature and ability to absorb hits. I know many of you and the coaches think his major value is running an RPO offense. But the coaches and Colts management have to be wondering if he’s the guy they think he is. All QBs get painful hits but this guy is either really unlucky or he is unable to play with the pain that goes along with the job.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 hours ago, presto123 said:

Hope that is the case. We are going to win too many games to draft Manning.  lol

Arch is only a sophomore. He won’t be in the draft until 26

[Blueblood23]

7 hours ago, azcolt said:

It appears the Colts were fooled by his physical stature and ability to absorb hits. I know many of you and the coaches think his major value is running an RPO offense. But the coaches and Colts management have to be wondering if he’s the guy they think he is. All QBs get painful hits but this guy is either really unlucky or he is unable to play with the pain that goes along with the job.

Totally agree, he has been unable to take a hit so far considering his physical gifts.

[Breeze]

6 minutes ago, Blueblood23 said:

Totally agree, he has been unable to take a hit so far considering his physical gifts.

He’s taken quite a few big hits this year.  The issue is getting him to NOT take quite a few big hits.  On the play he got hurt, pretty much every other QB would have gotten down before contact.  And I don’t believe any of them would have been able to take that same direct hit to the hip.  

[luv_pony_express]

10 hours ago, DougDew said:

Just my "crazy" eyes of course, but AR does not look 6'5 255# to me, although I'm sure the combine measurements are correct.  Comparisons to Josh Allen physically just isn't there, IMO. 

 

And, he kinda looks too much like a rag doll when he gets tackled for how big he's supposed to be.  Very un-Allen-ish.  Even un-Levis-ish.  Lamar looks more athletic and in control of himself when he gets tackled, and he's fairly small.

Anthony’s size/athleticism combo is a double-edged sword.  It brings some very uncommon and major benefits.  But it also clearly contributes to him sustaining injuries.

 

Lamar Jackson’s smaller size probably means he’s less likely to sustain a bone bruise when he lands like AR did.

[tfunky14]

8 hours ago, azcolt said:

It appears the Colts were fooled by his physical stature and ability to absorb hits. I know many of you and the coaches think his major value is running an RPO offense. But the coaches and Colts management have to be wondering if he’s the guy they think he is. All QBs get painful hits but this guy is either really unlucky or he is unable to play with the pain that goes along with the job.

Now I can somewhat agree to that. 

[DougDew]

7 minutes ago, luv_pony_express said:

Anthony’s size/athleticism combo is a double-edged sword.  It brings some very uncommon and major benefits.  But it also clearly contributes to him sustaining injuries.

 

Lamar Jackson’s smaller size probably means he’s less likely to sustain a bone bruise when he lands like AR did.

One of the concerns with AR is that the injury causing collisions don't look all that viscous.  At the point he got hurt in the Pitt game, he should have been sliding, but landing on a hip should not cause a bone bruise....unless AR has just been very unlucky in seemingly always taking the perfect shot with such high frequency.  There are a lot of NFL players his size or bigger that hit the turf all of the time.  And again, most have some sort of ability to fall correctly, while it looks like AR just gets whipped and tossed somehow.

[DougDew]

6 minutes ago, Breeze said:

He’s taken quite a few big hits this year.  The issue is getting him to NOT take quite a few big hits.  On the play he got hurt, pretty much every other QB would have gotten down before contact.  And I don’t believe any of them would have been able to take that same direct hit to the hip.  

I don't think he took a direct hit to the hip from a player.  It looks like he was being tackled and then flopped around  and landed on his opposite hip.  It was the turf that gave the direct hit.  But I haven't looked that closely at the replay.

[DougDew]

8 hours ago, azcolt said:

It appears the Colts were fooled by his physical stature and ability to absorb hits. I know many of you and the coaches think his major value is running an RPO offense. But the coaches and Colts management have to be wondering if he’s the guy they think he is. All QBs get painful hits but this guy is either really unlucky or he is unable to play with the pain that goes along with the job.

Big doesn't mean tough.  And I don't mean attitude or willingness, I mean body parts or pain severity.  Again, he only played 13 college games and that kind of stuff hasn't really been fleshed out yet.

[IndyD4U]

Y'all need to .....

 

R E L A X

[Breeze]

37 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I don't think he took a direct hit to the hip from a player.  It looks like he was being tackled and then flopped around  and landed on his opposite hip.  It was the turf that gave the direct hit.  But I haven't looked that closely at the replay.

It was a direct shot.  People need to realize there’s a big difference in taking a hit while stationary or moving away from contact vs running full speed into a hit.  There’s simple physics equations to explain the difference in impact force.  The kid needs to get down…every time.  He’s not made of glass… nobody can take those kinds of hits.  You see RB’s leaving games all the time.  AR needs to quit being a running back, and instead be a smart runner as a quarterback. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[DougDew]

27 minutes ago, Breeze said:

It was a direct shot.  People need to realize there’s a big difference in taking a hit while stationary or moving away from contact vs running full speed into a hit.  There’s simple physics equations to explain the difference in impact force.  The kid needs to get down…every time.  He’s not made of glass… nobody can take those kinds of hits.  You see RB’s leaving games all the time.  AR needs to quit being a running back, and instead be a smart runner as a quarterback. 

Direct shot is misleading.  AR may have struck a player's elbow before he hit the turf.  Direct shot, to me, implies a defender crashed into him at speed causing impact by two bodies moving in the opposite direction, like how other runners typically get tackled.  It was less than a typical hit taken by a runner, IMO. 

 

 

 

[tikyle]

9 hours ago, azcolt said:

It appears the Colts were fooled by his physical stature and ability to absorb hits. I know many of you and the coaches think his major value is running an RPO offense. But the coaches and Colts management have to be wondering if he’s the guy they think he is. All QBs get painful hits but this guy is either really unlucky or he is unable to play with the pain that goes along with the job.

I don't think anyone was fooled.  I know most of the board midwest so they may or may not watch much SEC football but I've seen every UF game for a long time now and AR has always been injury prone.  And not the injury prone like most think from a big fast QB.  He has had a lot of soft tissue injuries.  They didn't run read options for him at UF much if at all.  All his long highlight runs were passes and he took off due to pressure.  Like someone said earlier he's a "soft" athlete who injures more than most.  That is one of the reasons he's played so few college snaps. 

 

Hopefully as he gets older and plays more his body becomes more durable.  For now this is what he is.

[DougDew]

2 minutes ago, tikyle said:

 I've seen every UF game for a long time now .  They didn't run read options for him at UF much if at all.  All his long highlight runs were passes and he took off due to pressure.

Interesting if true, that some seem to object with "Shane trying to turn him into a pocket passer"  It seems Shane maybe doesn't want to turn AR into the running RPO guy that he's never been.

[Breeze]

7 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Direct shot is misleading.  AR may have struck a player's elbow before he hit the turf.  Direct shot, to me, implies a defender crashed into him at speed causing impact by two bodies moving in the opposite direction, like how other runners typically get tackled.  It was less than a typical hit taken by a runner, IMO. 

 

 

 

Looks like AR had angular momentum as well, meaning additional force.  The direct shot happens as Fitzpatrick lowers his shoulder and you see AR’s head ‘rattle’ before he lands on the ground.  Regardless, AR should’ve hit the ground into open space at about the 35 yard line, like pretty much all QB’s do.  Tua didn’t do that, and RG3 never did…as examples of what not to do.  

[chad72]

5 minutes ago, Breeze said:

Looks like AR had angular momentum as well, meaning additional force.  The direct shot happens as Fitzpatrick lowers his shoulder and you see AR’s head ‘rattle’ before he lands on the ground.  Regardless, AR should’ve hit the ground into open space at about the 35 yard line, like pretty much all QB’s do.  Tua didn’t do that, and RG3 never did…as examples of what not to do.  

 

He is a bit too tall and doesn't get down naturally fast enough. It was the same issue with Austin Collie as a tall WR, while Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison were shorter and got down faster. Mahomes does, Lamar Jackson doesn't but Lamar is faster and more elusive to change contact points. Cam Newton is who AR compares too and Cam took a lot of head shots too because he wanted to weaponize his running which he did but you can do that only so much and won't last a decade at a high level doing that without passing proficiency and using your elusiveness more to evade rushers in the pocket than to take off and run, IMO.

 

It was the case with Andrew Luck too. For all the smarts, he had too much bravado for his own good at times taking unnecessary hits while trying to prolong plays, like Big Ben. 

[tikyle]

26 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Interesting if true, that some seem to object with "Shane trying to turn him into a pocket passer"  It seems Shane maybe doesn't want to turn AR into the running RPO guy that he's never been.

Also, lets not forget that you can run an RPO offense without the QB running at all.  The read-option and RPO look the same at the beginning of the play but the concepts are totally different.

[Blueblood23]

17 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

He is a bit too tall and doesn't get down naturally fast enough. It was the same issue with Austin Collie as a tall WR, while Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison were shorter and got down faster. Mahomes does, Lamar Jackson doesn't but Lamar is faster and more elusive to change contact points. Cam Newton is who AR compares too and Cam took a lot of head shots too because he wanted to weaponize his running which he did but you can do that only so much and won't last a decade at a high level doing that without passing proficiency and using your elusiveness more to evade rushers in the pocket than to take off and run, IMO.

 

It was the case with Andrew Luck too. For all the smarts, he had too much bravado for his own good at times taking unnecessary hits while trying to prolong plays, like Big Ben. 

Newton took a lot of hits and was still able to play. So far Richardson has taken few hits and has been unable to continue to play. 

[chad72]

36 minutes ago, Blueblood23 said:

Newton took a lot of hits and was still able to play. So far Richardson has taken few hits and has been unable to continue to play. 

 

 

Here is an article outlining QBs that have had less than 24 college starts, those chosen at No.1 and those chosen in other spots, interesting read:

 

https://theanalyst.com/2021/04/should-college-games-played-matter-when-evaluating-quarterbacks

 

Only Cam Newton has gone to a Super Bowl amongst college QBs with less than 24 starts, as a starter. It sure isn't favorable for AR based on history. Alex Smith was replaced twice - once for Kaepernick who went to the SB with Jim Harbaugh, and then Mahomes where we know how things turned out. Tannehill and Sanchez did go to the AFCCG, and Alex Smith to an NFCCG.

[ColtAndOrioles]

32 minutes ago, Blueblood23 said:

Newton took a lot of hits and was still able to play. So far Richardson has taken few hits and has been unable to continue to play. 

The issue that AR is having, besides the very obvious not sliding thing, is he tends to kind of let up and absorbs the hit more than being like a RB and applying the hit to the defender.  That is why RB's can take so much contact and not get hurt that often.  Because they are always driving forward and using their speed and force on the defender instead of letting the defender do that to them.   AR tends to always be somewhere in the middle.  Not sliding and yet not driving.  He tends to let up (without sliding) like for example a few times this year already and the time he got a concussion last year.   The one time he did really drive forward this year, I think it was week 2 or 3 on a run, he ran over the defender and got up no problem.  There is an art to it that RBs have mastered over their years of being tackled. 

 

Now I am not saying he should be running that way, imo he should be sliding on almost every run he makes, but when he really needs a yard or two extra, I hope he learns to dish out the hit instead of taking the hit.

 

IF I am the Colts coaching staff I put AR on a slippy slide, place a coach with a tackling dummy on one end, and have AR run towards him and slide 50 x after every practice until it becomes second nature.  Because right now he has no instincts at all to do it.  Even yesterday, after being hurt once again, he said he may not slide when he should be.  It's just "playing football".  He has to change or he is never going to last. 

[chad72]

4 minutes ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

The issue that AR is having, besides the very obvious not sliding thing, is he tends to kind of let up and absorbs the hit more than being like a RB and applying the hit to the defender.  That is why RB's can take so much contact and not get hurt that often.  Because they are always driving forward and using their speed and force on the defender instead of letting the defender do that to them.   AR tends to always be somewhere in the middle.  Not sliding and yet not driving.  He tends to let up (without sliding) like for example a few times this year already and the time he got a concussion last year.   The one time he did really drive forward this year, I think it was week 2 or 3 on a run, he ran over the defender and got up no problem.  There is an art to it that RBs have mastered over their years of being tackled. 

 

Now I am not saying he should be running that way, imo he should be sliding on almost every run he makes, but when he really needs a yard or two extra, I hope he learns to dish out the hit instead of taking the hit.

 

IF I am the Colts coaching staff I put AR on a slippy slide, place a coach with a tackling dummy on one end, and have AR run towards him and slide 50 x after every practice until it becomes second nature.  Because right now he has no instincts at all to do it.  Even yesterday, after being hurt once again, he said he may not slide when he should be.  It's just "playing football".  He has to change or he is never going to last. 

 

I think you nailed it. You hesitate in the NFL, you pay a price for it. You 100% slide or 100% go full steam ahead. The in between get you more hurt more often than not. You have to be decisive fast.

[BeanDiasucci]

2 hours ago, DougDew said:

Big doesn't mean tough.  And I don't mean attitude or willingness, I mean body parts or pain severity.  Again, he only played 13 college games and that kind of stuff hasn't really been fleshed out yet.

For a guy who hasn't played that many games, he has a notable injury history already. 

 

Date, League, Injury Details

Sep 11, 2021, Non-NFL, Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2: Richardson's hamstring issue first popped up in spring ball and lingered into the 2022 season, per CBS reporter Jenny Dell.

Nov 27, 2021, Non-NFL, Knee Meniscus Tear: Richardson said this injury originated in high school, and that he "tore it off the bone" on this date against Florida State. He underwent surgery in December, 2021.

Oct 30, 2021, Non-NFL, Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1: Richardson went down against Georgia. He was available only as the "emergency QB" the next week vs. South Carolina.

Sep 17, 2023, NFL, Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1: Richardson suffered a concussion in Week 2 vs. the Texans. He returned in Week 4.

Oct 8, 2023, NFL, Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain: Richardson sustained a season-ending injury to his throwing shoulder in the second quarter of Week 5 vs. the Titans. He underwent surgery in late October.

 

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/anthony-richardson/13544