Ogletree arrested for domestic battery (MERGE)

[csmopar]

9 hours ago, rock8591 said:

After what happened with Matt Araiza, I will hold judgement on this 100% until more information is available.

Different situation. The Araiza case was more of a drunk girl with drunk guys and regrets afterwards.  and not much evidence other than a video where allegedly it appears she’s consenting. 
 

 

This seems to be more concrete if they’re charging with bodily injury. Based on my professional experience with this stuff, To charge that here in the state of Indiana, a screening by a state licensed medical facility is required to confirm the presence of an injury and the possible causes. Combine that with it being witnessed by a child, it is a lot lot more concrete.

 

8 hours ago, husker61 said:

There has been an accusation from what I have seen. Nobody here saw what happened and I am pretty sure there is no video tape ether, just an accusation. Anyone here ever know someone accused of something, rightly or wrongly, and you are shocked by it? Does that mean you are a bad judge of character? Maybe he did, maybe not, nobody here knows for sure. Talk about character, what about everyone here assuming something over an accusation.

See above^

[csmopar]

25 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

Ogletree. Battery 
McKenzie. Conduct 

Brown. Conduct 

Defensive end Al-Quadin Muhammad, six games for violating the league’s performance-enhancing substances policy.

Defensive tackle Grover Stewart, six games for violating the PED policy.

Cornerback Chris Lammons, three games for violating the league’s personal conduct policy.

Cornerback Isaiah Rodgers, indefinitely for violation the league’s gambling policy.

Linebacker Rashod Berry, indefinitely for violating the league’s gambling policy.

Lammon’s incident happened before he was a Colt..

[Tsarquise]

Never knew that assaulting someone with the addition of it being witnessed by a child was a crime. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

What’s sad if he had the luxury of playing in the NFL and setting his son up for life. He st least for the short term just blew it.

[ShuteAt168]

9 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Lammon’s incident happened before he was a Colt..

Oh yeah, Lammons assaulted a man in Vegas and Chris “high character” Ballard thought he was just the Horseshoe Guy we needed. 

[ShuteAt168]

42 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

What's wrong with that?

Just going to assume you’re kidding and drop a LOL. 

[ShuteAt168]

10 hours ago, Indyfan4life said:

Outside of some marijuana and bets being placed, what HORRIBLE thing like this has happened? 
 

You’re not being dramatic at all here. 

Chris Lammons was with the Bengals in Vegas when he and some other fine fellows beat a man unconscious (allegedly) because he tried to get on the elevator with them, reports say. Lammons admitted in court that he struck the victim. So what does Chris Ballard, who is always on the hunt for horseshoe guys, do? Brings him to Indy! The locker room knows, as CB says. 

[ColtStrong2013]

12 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

Oh yeah, Lammons assaulted a man in Vegas and Chris “high character” Ballard thought he was just the Horseshoe Guy we needed. 

let’s be honest… it’s getting harder and harder to put a full roster with men that can stay out of trouble. Look around the league. 

[ShuteAt168]

25 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Lammon’s incident happened before he was a Colt..

Makes it worse that he’s in Indy then doesn’t it?

[ShuteAt168]

1 minute ago, ColtStrong2013 said:

let’s be honest… it’s getting harder and harder to put a full roster with men that can stay out of trouble. Look around the league. 

Seems so. Why is that? 

[csmopar]

5 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

Makes it worse that he’s in Indy then doesn’t it?

No I think you’re making a mountain out of the Grand Canyon. 

30 minutes ago, Tsarquise said:

Never knew that assaulting someone with the addition of it being witnessed by a child was a crime. 

Yep in some states.

[ColtStrong2013]

2 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

Seems so. Why is that? 

Direct reflection of a faltering society in my opinion. Biggest league in the U.S. with high stakes and competition. Guys are trying to get a leg up (using ped’s, gambling, etc) to make as much money as quickly as possible. Ease of gambling has not helped anything but casinos in this country. Return to violence throughout society, so the domestic violence/beating the hell out of others is another direct reflection of society’s attitude. 
 

Covid made people crazy. Anyone that works with a small sample size of the public knows this. People. Are. Crazy. 

[jvan1973]

45 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

Just going to assume you’re kidding and drop a LOL. 

What is wrong with wanting quality humans on your team?

[IndyD4U]

Well, this will lighten up our tight end room. I think Jelani will not return this year. Granson and Mallory time

[2006Coltsbestever]

People blaming Ballard for this is just another excuse to pile on the man. It is not like he is psychic when he drafts guys. He can't control one's actions. Every team is going to have a few rotten eggs on their team, that has been going since football was invented. Ogletree isn't even a good player, he has had 9 catches all year. Give it a break people. 

[indyagent17]

We can all agree this is bad. However remember Josh McNary he was guilty in the public’s eye but it turned out to be false. Let’s let the details come out before we call him guilty. Innocent until PROVEN guilty 

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

We can all agree this is bad. However remember Josh McNary he was guilty in the public’s eye but it turned out to be false. Let’s let the details come out before we call him guilty. Innocent until PROVEN guilty 

Yeah, it is bad if he did it and we cut him and move on. It doesn't make our organization as a whole look bad. A few guys screwing up, doesn't ruin any culture. Get rid of them and move on like I said. If you look at the players that have got in trouble this year for the Colts, they are jags as the term some in here like to use. This isn't like Taylor, Pittman, Downs, Nelson, Smith, Kelly, Buckner, Moore, Mustache getting in trouble.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. If he did, cut him and move on.

[TrueBlue4ever]

What was once a promising Tight end group has really let us wanting and needing more. Mallory is still the shiny penny of the group and I’m happy we have him. Just thinking how much different AR would have used this group and certainly how much different it will be next year. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

What was once a promising Tight end group has really let us wanting and needing more. Mallory is still the shiny penny of the group and I’m happy we have him. Just thinking how much different AR would have used this group and certainly how much different it will be next year. 

Mallory is a decent talent, I like Mo as well. We will be fine. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. If he did, cut him and move on.

The fact she called police right away tells me to believe her. Says they found her in pain. It does say she tried to hit him first after she broke his phone. Reminds me of an aunt I had. Her and her husband were so toxic together. He was physically abusive but she always would egg him on. To this day they are actually friends and get along well. Just weren’t good together.

[Colts1324]

1 minute ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

What was once a promising Tight end group has really let us wanting and needing more. Mallory is still the shiny penny of the group and I’m happy we have him. Just thinking how much different AR would have used this group and certainly how much different it will be next year. 

Mallory has been coming on as of late. It’s too bad Granson & Mallory are the same player because they run pretty solid routes & can catch. 
 

 

We’ll definitely need to upgrade this offseason. Woods has been a major disappointment this year after such a promising rookie year

[2006Coltsbestever]

14 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

The fact she called police right away tells me to believe her. Says they found her in pain. It does say she tried to hit him first after she broke his phone. Reminds me of an aunt I had. Her and her husband were so toxic together. He was physically abusive but she always would egg him on. To this day they are actually friends and get along well. Just weren’t good together.

I am not taken sides; he may be guilty as hell. Blaming Ballard for drafting 1 player that has done this is where I have a problem, and some are doing it. You never know what anyone is going to do. I remember reading on the news years ago, that one of my best friends I hung out with in high school, shot and killed someone while robbing a gas station. When we were friends, he was the nicest guy you would ever meet. I can read people pretty good and when I read that, it blew me away!

[GoColts8818]

11 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Mallory is a decent talent, I like Mo as well. We will be fine. 

Yeah fans keep writing Mo off and the Colts keep starting him.  They clearly like him more than fans do.  

[GoColts8818]

6 hours ago, Bravo said:

This isn’t a civil lawsuit.

 

This is a criminal case in which he was arrested on. This means law enforcement had probable cause. Much more than an accusation.

 

Sure innocent I’m too proven guilty but there was evidence of a crime, not just an accusation.

Innocent until proven guilty is a law standard that doesn’t apply to public opinion or football teams.  Often times probable cause is enough to find you guilty in both of those.

[GoColts8818]

1 hour ago, ShuteAt168 said:

Makes it worse that he’s in Indy then doesn’t it?

No.  People make mistakes he paid his price and got another chance.  He’s been fine since he’s been in Indy as far as behavior goes.  

[jskinnz]

15 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

The fact she called police right away tells me to believe her. Says they found her in pain. It does say she tried to hit him first after she broke his phone. Reminds me of an aunt I had. Her and her husband were so toxic together. He was physically abusive but she always would egg him on. To this day they are actually friends and get along well. Just weren’t good together.

Yeah, that is not really a good answer. There is not a one size fits all response to these situations.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

11 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Innocent until proven guilty is a law standard that doesn’t apply to public opinion or football teams.  Often times probable cause is enough to find you guilty in both of those.

The look on the people's faces at ESPN, especially some of the women at ESPN who were just shredding Matt Araiza, then when he was found not guilty was freakin' priceless. Same for the Duke Lacrosse players being found not guilty. 

[GoColts8818]

6 hours ago, ShuteAt168 said:

 

Ogletree. Battery 
McKenzie. Conduct 

Brown. Conduct 

Defensive end Al-Quadin Muhammad, six games for violating the league’s performance-enhancing substances policy.

Defensive tackle Grover Stewart, six games for violating the PED policy.

Cornerback Chris Lammons, three games for violating the league’s personal conduct policy.

Cornerback Isaiah Rodgers, indefinitely for violation the league’s gambling policy.

Linebacker Rashod Berry, indefinitely for violating the league’s gambling policy.

And the vast majority of these guys were shown the door as soon as they acted up.  Seems to me that’s what you do if you are serious about wanting high character guys but keep making your mountain out of a molehill.  

As pointed out by other Lammons mistake came before he was a Colt and Berry was last year and not brought back this year.  So you are talking about six.  I forgot Muhammad.  Of those six Rodgers was gone before the season even started and again was for something from last season.  

 

Again when you have 70+ guys on your team at any given moment (that’s not counting roster churn guys) some are going to make mistakes.  It happens.  It doesn’t mean you aren’t a high character organization.  What matters is how you handle it when it does happen and with the exception of Grover the Colts have shown they have a very short leash for behavior issues.  
 

Again, all I heard last year was you can’t build a winning team with all choir boys.  Well this is what comes with that and now some fans are upset that some guys are getting in trouble.  Fans can’t have it both ways.  

[GoColts8818]

11 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

The look on the people's faces at ESPN, especially some of the women at ESPN who were just shredding Matt Araiza, then when he was found not guilty was freakin' priceless. Same for the Duke Lacrosse players being found not guilty. 

Yeah I am not saying people in public opinion or football teams don’t get proven wrong because they don’t adhere to standard I am saying it doesn’t exist for them.  The reasons you stated are why it exists in a court of law.  However, that moves very slowly because it takes time to prove them most football teams don’t want a guy who maybe committed a crime hanging out on their football team for it to play out, can you imagine if the Pats stood behind Aaron Hernandez and said innocent until proven guilty after he was arrested for murder?

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Yeah I am not saying people in public opinion or football teams don’t get proven wrong because they don’t adhere to standard I am saying it doesn’t exist for them.  The reasons you stated are why it exists in a court of law.  However, that moves very slowly because it takes time to prove them most football teams don’t want a guy who maybe committed a crime hanging out on their football team for it to play out, can you imagine if the Pats stood behind Aaron Hernandez and said innocent until proven guilty after he was arrested for murder?

Yeah, it just sucks when someone accuses of someone for doing something bad and it isn't true at all. It ruins it for the women that really have been abused. Another example, Brian Banks 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

17 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

And the vast majority of these guys were shown the door as soon as they acted up.  Seems to me that’s what you do if you are serious about wanting high character guys but keep making your mountain out of a molehill.  

As pointed out by other Lammons mistake came before he was a Colt and Berry was last year and not brought back this year.  So you are talking about six.  I forgot Muhammad.  Of those six Rodgers was gone before the season even started and again was for something from last season.  

 

Again when you have 70+ guys on your team at any given moment (that’s not counting roster churn guys) some are going to make mistakes.  It happens.  It doesn’t mean you aren’t a high character organization.  What matters is how you handle it when it does happen and with the exception of Grover the Colts have shown they have a very short leash for behavior issues.  
 

Again, all I heard last year was you can’t build a winning team with all choir boys.  Well this is what comes with that and now some fans are upset that some guys are getting in trouble.  Fans can’t have it both ways.  

I will add the PED stuff is pretty much a nothing burger too. It happens when guys are not careful or miss read ingredients. Rodger’s didn’t hurt anyone but himself. There are quite different then what Ogletree is being accused of.

[ShuteAt168]

16 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

And the vast majority of these guys were shown the door as soon as they acted up.  Seems to me that’s what you do if you are serious about wanting high character guys but keep making your mountain out of a molehill.  

As pointed out by other Lammons mistake came before he was a Colt and Berry was last year and not brought back this year.  So you are talking about six.  I forgot Muhammad.  Of those six Rodgers was gone before the season even started and again was for something from last season.  

 

Again when you have 70+ guys on your team at any given moment (that’s not counting roster churn guys) some are going to make mistakes.  It happens.  It doesn’t mean you aren’t a high character organization.  What matters is how you handle it when it does happen and with the exception of Grover the Colts have shown they have a very short leash for behavior issues.  
 

Again, all I heard last year was you can’t build a winning team with all choir boys.  Well this is what comes with that and now some fans are upset that some guys are getting in trouble.  Fans can’t have it both ways.  

I don’t recall all the “choir boy” comments. I think I said this somewhere else… Lammons and his boys beat the crap out of some guy (errr, allegedly) who just wanted on the elevator. AFTER he did this, Ballard decided he’d be a good fit for Indy. My opinion is I don’t want my favorite team to acquire a man who gives a beat down to another man — a man who was outnumbered and weaker than an NFL player. It makes me sick. The hypocrisy of CB, who constantly preaches culture and character, is glaring. If you and others are ok with Indy bringing such a guy onto your favorite team, cool. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I will add the PED stuff is pretty much a nothing burger too. It happens when guys are not careful or miss read ingredients. Rodger’s didn’t hurt anyone but himself. There are quite different then what Ogletree is being accused of.

Von Miller is being accused of the same thing. I guess the Bills organization don't know what they are doing either 

[ShuteAt168]

5 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I will add the PED stuff is pretty much a nothing burger too. It happens when guys are not careful or miss read ingredients. Rodger’s didn’t hurt anyone but himself. There are quite different then what Ogletree is being accused of.

Also, it’s absurd that you call what Lammons did a “mistake.” A mistake is adding numbers wrong or dropping your glasses. Engaging in a beat down of an outnumbered man is violent, bullying behavior. I wonder, if you have a son and a group of bullies beat him, would you call that a “mistake?” 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

Also, it’s absurd that you call what Lammons did a “mistake.” A mistake is adding numbers wrong or dropping your glasses. Engaging in a beat down of an outnumbered man is violent, bullying behavior. I wonder, if you have a son and a group of bullies beat him, would you call that a “mistake?” 

I never said what Lammons did was a mistake. I never brought his name up. All I said was he wasn’t a colt when that happened.

[ShuteAt168]

9 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I will add the PED stuff is pretty much a nothing burger too. It happens when guys are not careful or miss read ingredients. Rodger’s didn’t hurt anyone but himself. There are quite different than what Ogletree is being accused of.

You think most PED violations are a result of players misreading ingredients? Seriously? Hey, off topic, would you be interested in some cheap Ocean property in Nebraska? 

[holeymoley99]

From a team perspective as far as talent Ogletree was promising and showed glimpses but hadnt done a lot with it. Only played 356 snaps (Granson-420, MAC-365,mallory-148) his snaps likely go to Mallory who has seen a big upticks last 4 weeks and has been very well. A lot of squads carry 3 TE so this will bring us back down to 3 and we likely see a plyer from another position elevated as opposed to our PS Tight End Jordan Murray (Could even be Juwann Winfree as we need WR depth and he has already used his max p.s. elevation. 

 

Next season hoping Woods rebounds but we just dont know. Granson will see his same role, Mallory likely becomes TE 1 (As was stated him and Granson are kinda similar as neither is a physical blocking TE,Mallory has better height and catching radius) and a vet is probably added (Adam Trautman type)  if MAC is send packing.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

You think most PED violations are a result of players misreading ingredients? Seriously? Hey, off topic, would you be interested in some cheap Ocean property in Nebraska? 

I doubt players are sitting there shooting up with needles. Yes this is very common with supplements you can get at GNC. They didn’t hurt anyone except their own pocketbook.