UPDATE: Two Colts players suspended for gambling, waived by team (merged)

[csmopar]

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-suspends-four-players-for-violating-league-gambling-policy
 

Rodgers and berry

[PuntersArePeopleToo]

2 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

Three players suspended indefinitely. 

 

2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Boom

It's terminology, 

 

Ridley was also suspended last year indefinitely 

[NewColtsFan]

I’m not sure I knew there was a Rashod  Berry on the Colts roster…..         

 

But he’s not anymore.   
 

Two of the four suspensions are with the Colts.   Not a good look for the franchise. 
 

Fortunately,  it comes at a time where there might be the lowest fan activity here on the message board.   In my 12 years of Colts fandom I can’t remember as little traffic here as we’ve all had in the last few weeks.   

[Indyfan4life]

10 minutes ago, PuntersArePeopleToo said:

 

It's terminology, 

 

Ridley was also suspended last year indefinitely 

Before it was said to be a year, but now it’s indefinitely. This leads me to believe maybe it will be longer or worse. 

[Indyfan4life]

And Rodgers was just waived. 

[Indyfan4life]

Both were just waived. 

[superrep1967]

10 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

I’m not sure I knew there was a Rashod  Berry on the Colts roster…..         

 

But he’s not anymore.   
 

Two of the four suspensions are with the Colts.   Not a good look for the franchise. 
 

Fortunately,  it comes at a time where there might be the lowest fan activity here on the message board.   In my 12 years of Colts fandom I can’t remember as little traffic here as we’ve all had in the last few weeks.   

I think it's because there is low expectations for this team this year. I mean that could be part of it. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

12 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

I’m not sure I knew there was a Rashod  Berry on the Colts roster…..         

 

But he’s not anymore.   
 

Two of the four suspensions are with the Colts.   Not a good look for the franchise. 
 

Fortunately,  it comes at a time where there might be the lowest fan activity here on the message board.   In my 12 years of Colts fandom I can’t remember as little traffic here as we’ve all had in the last few weeks.   

It’s the off season. Nothing is going on right now. Enjoy your summer. I am sure everyone will be back and energized in 4 weeks when camp starts.

[Superman]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37934061/nfl-suspends-four-players-gambling-violations

 

Quote

 

Sources familiar with the activity on the online sportsbook account used by Rodgers told ESPN's David Purdum on Thursday that upwards of 100 bets were placed, including at least one wager on a game involving the Colts. A source told ESPN that friends of Rodgers, who were in Florida, encouraged him to place many of the wagers, the majority of which were in the $25-$50 range. Legal sports betting was not available in Florida this past football season. The largest wager placed on the account was a $1,000 prop bet on the over/under on rushing yards by a Colts running back, which won.

 

Rodgers, 25, acknowledged his situation on social media earlier this month, saying he takes "full responsibility" for his actions.

 

 

Really dumb on his part. His friends had him do it because it's not legal in Florida, so he breaks NFL rules and gets suspended over it. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Dodgers can apply for reinstatement after the 23 season. NFL will have to decide if he did the right steps for this not to happen again.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[Yoshinator]

7 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

Not a fan of cutting Rodgers unless Ballard knows he bet against the Colts. I would think the potential reward with him getting help would be worth keeping him through next year. Seems a bit premature for a player of his talent.

[csmopar]

17 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

I’m shocked they cut Rodgers. I’d held onto his rights. They just have a good feeling that this indefinite is gonna be multiple years. 

9 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Not a fan of cutting Rodgers unless Ballard knows he bet against the Colts. I would think the potential reward with him getting help would be worth keeping him through next year. Seems a bit premature for a player of his talent.

That was kind of my thinking. 

[King Colt]

The verdict on this dummy is AT LEAST the entire 2023 season. Smooth move kid you have a bright future....selling used cars.

[John Hammonds]

14 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Not a fan of cutting Rodgers unless Ballard knows he bet against the Colts. I would think the potential reward with him getting help would be worth keeping him through next year. Seems a bit premature for a player of his talent.

Maybe he knows something we don't.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Who is Berry? 

[Yoshinator]

Just now, John Hammonds said:

Maybe he knows something we don't.

I'm assuming so. It's unfortunate, but it's also damage control as well I'd assume. Zero tolerance on this sort of thing.

[stitches]

30 minutes ago, Superman said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37934061/nfl-suspends-four-players-gambling-violations

 

 

Really dumb on his part. His friends had him do it because it's not legal in Florida, so he breaks NFL rules and gets suspended over it. 

I don't know how else to qualify this, but incredible stupidity and idiocy. And he made a huge prop bet on Colts RB.  

 

At least this doesn't say he bet against the Colts... but prop bets on Colts players while having internal information about game plans and preparation for the game is close second to betting on your team to lose in a game you play... 

 

Well... I'm really disappointed. I have been Rodgers' biggest fan here and I've been advocating for him starting since last year... but he deserves that punishment and he deserves to get cut. I hope it was worth it and his friends can cover his losses of >2M this year and potentially 25-30M down the road.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

If Tom Brady got caught gambling in his prime, Goodell would give him a 1 game suspension and then say - my son don't do it again 

[2006Coltsbestever]

48 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

I’m not sure I knew there was a Rashod  Berry on the Colts roster…..         

 

But he’s not anymore.   
 

Two of the four suspensions are with the Colts.   Not a good look for the franchise. 
 

Fortunately,  it comes at a time where there might be the lowest fan activity here on the message board.   In my 12 years of Colts fandom I can’t remember as little traffic here as we’ve all had in the last few weeks.   

To your 1st sentence I have no clue who the dude is either. It is slow in here because there isn't anything going on until camp.

[Superman]

3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

If Tom Brady got caught gambling in his prime, Goodell would give him a 1 game suspension and then say - my son don't do it again 

 

The truth is that Tom Brady would not gamble on NFL games. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Superman said:

 

The truth is that Tom Brady would not gamble on NFL games. 

True but if he did, my prediction would probably be right 

[Superman]

6 minutes ago, stitches said:

I don't know how else to qualify this, but incredible stupidity and idiocy. And he made a huge prop bet on Colts RB.  

 

At least this doesn't say he bet against the Colts... but prop bets on Colts players while having internal information about game plans and preparation for the game is close second to betting on your team to lose in a game you play... 

 

Well... I'm really disappointed. I have been Rodgers' biggest fan here and I've been advocating for him starting since last year... but he deserves that punishment and he deserves to get cut. I hope it was worth it and his friends can cover his losses of >2M this year and potentially 25-30M down the road.  

 

Yeah, I was looking for more details on the bets placed. The article says at least one bet on the Colts, the RB prop, which is silly. I wonder what the payout was... 

 

I get the team's stance. If you violate the gambling policy, they're going to take a hard line. I hope no one else gets implicated at any point, but if this is the standard, you have to apply it equally. So if Buckner violates the gambling policy, what's the outcome??

 

While I understand it, I don't know if it's absolutely necessary to get rid of the player. Especially a young player. But I can't argue that they are going overboard or doing him wrong. 

[Superman]

54 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Fortunately,  it comes at a time where there might be the lowest fan activity here on the message board.   In my 12 years of Colts fandom I can’t remember as little traffic here as we’ve all had in the last few weeks.   

 

It's not surprising to me. There's really nothing to talk about. Minicamp was uneventful, there are no injury updates, no serious contract issues. Aside from the gambling, it seems like the typical doldrums of the offseason. The quieter, the better, IMO. There's generally not much good NFL news in late June/July.

[chad72]

Yes, it is dumb and yes, there is precedent for this suspension with Calvin Ridley.

 

However, does the punishment fit the crime when star QBs like Big Ben and DeShaun Watson get 4 games or half a season for the seriousness of what they did? I don't know, just thinking out loud. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, Superman said:

 

It's not surprising to me. There's really nothing to talk about. Minicamp was uneventful, there are no injury updates, no serious contract issues. Aside from the gambling, it seems like the typical doldrums of the offseason. The quieter, the better, IMO. There's generally not much good NFL news in late June/July.

Doesn't surprise me either being here all these years, this will be my 9th season and it is usually dead in here in June and July until camp starts. 

[Indyfan4life]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Doesn't surprise me either being here all these years, this will be my 9th season and it is usually dead in here in June and July until camp starts. 

Yup. At this point it’s just looking for things to talk about. 

[stitches]

13 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Yeah, I was looking for more details on the bets placed. The article says at least one bet on the Colts, the RB prop, which is silly. I wonder what the payout was... 

 

I get the team's stance. If you violate the gambling policy, they're going to take a hard line. I hope no one else gets implicated at any point, but if this is the standard, you have to apply it equally. So if Buckner violates the gambling policy, what's the outcome??

 

While I understand it, I don't know if it's absolutely necessary to get rid of the player. Especially a young player. But I can't argue that they are going overboard or doing him wrong. 

I don't think teams are consistent and principled in their decisions. This includes the Colts. IMO there is a level of player where the reputational damage is "worth it". No idea where that line is... IMO Buckner doesn't get cut unless the league tell the Colts the "indefinite" suspension is actually a forever suspension. If the player is good enough teams WILL disregard/work around ethically and morally questionable behaviors. Just like they did with Deshaun Watson(this includes the Colts). I don't think it's really a question about whether they would be consistent with the stars of the team. IMO they won't. The only question is where exactly the line is on player/asset quality. 

 

For example... would they cut Richardson? How about Buckner? How about Taylor? Pittman? Stewart? I think we are getting close to the line here... 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Indyfan4life said:

Yup. At this point it’s just looking for things to talk about. 

That is why I even try to create a few threads. My Positive Colts thread has done well.

[stitches]

12 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

It's not surprising to me. There's really nothing to talk about. Minicamp was uneventful, there are no injury updates, no serious contract issues. Aside from the gambling, it seems like the typical doldrums of the offseason. The quieter, the better, IMO. There's generally not much good NFL news in late June/July.

IMO we got overcharged and burned out over the off-season up until the week of the draft and then minicamps because the anticipation of the draft of QB took too much out of the fanbase... and now it seems like people have decided to take somewhat of a break. At least that's what I'm doing... I'm still checking the news once a day but I don't bother to comment on some small bits of news. I'm recharging the batteries so I can go full steam ahead in pre-season and during the season. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

8 minutes ago, chad72 said:

Yes, it is dumb and yes, there is precedent for this suspension with Calvin Ridley.

 

However, does the punishment fit the crime when star QBs like Big Ben and DeShaun Watson get 4 games or half a season for the seriousness of what they did? I don't know, just thinking out loud. 

Nah, that is why I made my Tom Brady comment. If Mahomes bet on games, I would love to see what the league would do  

[2006Coltsbestever]

It would never happen but I think it would be hilarious if Mahomes, Rodgers, Burrow, and Allen all got together and put a $1 bet on a football game to play a joke not involving their team. Goodell's underwear would be in a bunch then. Over $1 to prove a point that there are rules and then there is common sense - 

[Superman]

1 minute ago, chad72 said:

Yes, it is dumb and yes, there is precedent for this suspension with Calvin Ridley.

 

However, does the punishment fit the crime when star QBs like Big Ben and DeShaun Watson get 4 games or half a season for what they did? I don't know, just thinking out loud. 

 

Big Ben was a long time ago... 

 

The league wanted to suspend Watson for at least a year, and the arbitrator reduced the suspension because they ruled that you can't drastically increase the penalty for a violation of the conduct policy, post-hoc. If your precedent is 6-8 games for a violation (non-violent, I believe), you can't come back and say 'this one is so unacceptable to us that we're going to double the typical suspension.' That was the ruling.

 

It's also important to note that Watson's suspension didn't have the potential to undermine the competitive integrity of the league. They're going to continue to take an aggressive hardline against gambling, for this reason.

[coltsva]

Interesting that he was placing bets for friends. Basically, the opposite of what I think happens in most cases, with friends of NFL players placing bets for the players. 

[Superman]

22 minutes ago, stitches said:

I don't think teams are consistent and principled in their decisions. This includes the Colts. IMO there is a level of player where the reputational damage is "worth it". No idea where that line is... IMO Buckner doesn't get cut unless the league tell the Colts the "indefinite" suspension is actually a forever suspension. If the player is good enough teams WILL disregard/work around ethically and morally questionable behaviors. Just like they did with Deshaun Watson(this includes the Colts). I don't think it's really a question about whether they would be consistent with the stars of the team. IMO they won't. The only question is where exactly the line is on player/asset quality. 

 

For example... would they cut Richardson? How about Buckner? How about Taylor? Pittman? Stewart? I think we are getting close to the line here... 

 

In general I agree. The impact of the player will always be a factor. But Rodgers isn't a JAG, he was almost a critical piece, and they didn't hesitate. In fact, he wasn't around for other offseason events, so the team seems to have made their mind up on this before today's events. I find it hard to believe that they would have cut Buckner, but it makes me wonder.

 

And I mentioned this in an earlier post, but the league (and apparently the Colts) are not viewing ethical/moral issues on the same level as gambling. If gambling isn't heavily regulated, it could easily destroy the league, and the powers that be are setting a strong standard with it. Conflating this with Watson or others is missing the point.

[IanColts22]

OMG there goes our hopes of the lombardy trophy!!  LOL I don't think these 2 players will make any impact on the colts playing or not.  Im just praying for AR5 to start the season and come out slinging it like he's Bret Farve minus the interception.  

[stitches]

22 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

In general I agree. The impact of the player will always be a factor. But Rodgers isn't a JAG, he was almost a critical piece, and they didn't hesitate. In fact, he wasn't around for other offseason events, so the team seems to have made their mind up on this before today's events. I find it hard to believe that they would have cut Buckner, but it makes me wonder.

He's not a JAG but IMO the Colts and the coaching staff don't see him the way a lot of fans see him. Gus Bradley has been reluctant to give him starting snaps since the beginning. How does Rodgers start behind Facyson in training camp? Based on what? How does Rodgers start behind Facyson before or after game 1? Or after game 2?... Or game 5? How does Rodgers lose a SINGLE SNAP to Facyson for the entire rest of the season? Purely based on level of play nobody can convince me Facyson deserved to play more snaps than Rodgers last year. IMO Gus just doesn't value him all that much. 

 

22 minutes ago, Superman said:

And I mentioned this in an earlier post, but the league (and apparently the Colts) are not viewing ethical/moral issues on the same level as gambling. If gambling isn't heavily regulated, it could easily destroy the league, and the powers that be are setting a strong standard with it. Conflating this with Watson or others is missing the point.

I mean we've seen different teams do the exact same calculation and cut certain players while retaining others for the exact same gambling infractions. I really don't think the Colts are anything special in that regard. They would act in very similar ways... the only question is where they'd put their lines. And in that regard the calculations would be very similar to what they did with Watson. Maybe the line would be a bit different. Maybe they'd put it at the 90th percentile of players rather than at the 80th... but there will be a line past which they won't cut the player for the exact same thing Rodgers did. 

[Pelt]

1 hour ago, chad72 said:

However, does the punishment fit the crime when star QBs like Big Ben and DeShaun Watson get 4 games or half a season for the seriousness of what they did? I don't know, just thinking out loud. 

While I get what you're saying, and yes, what they did was heinous, it doesn't potentially affect the outcome of games as they transpire on the field.  

 

And I'm specifically not referring to their absence from suspensions being a direct influence on game outcomes, I'm speaking specifically to a potential fix, or intentionally undermining the outcome and integrity of the results of games.

 

They (Rodgers and Berry) got exactly what they deserved.

[Smonroe]

5 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

I don't think Fandual comes to break your legs

I wouldn’t bet on that.  

[BlackTiger]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

but prop bets on Colts players while having internal information about game plans and preparation for the game is close second to betting on your team to lose in a game you play... 

Yes even a bet on the colts is a really bad look for the league and for vegas.  He has access to inside information about game plans, and Taylors health, and usage in practice etc..

 

He was making bets for other people too and his inside information can also influence them.  if enough people got word of what he was betting on it could even move the spreads

 

Betting on your own team or players to win or cover makes the league and vegas look bad and adds fuel to the fire that this is all rigged