Colts have 4th pick (Official Discussion Thread)

[chickenMan]

6 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

I saw this a few days ago. Here's my take on it. 

 

Perhaps others already asked questions regarding leadership, daily life in the NFL and so on and everyone in the room got the answers they needed from those questions.

 

So Will decided to try and ask a different question. No point in asking the same question twice unless you need clarification. 

That’s a fair take, and would be understandable. Still, what you can say about it then is that Will Levis may not be the best at creating good optics lol.

[bertjones7]

Stacey Dales on nfl network is at Indy HQ.  Thought she had some interesting comments about Steichen being heavily involved with the QB decision (as expected).  Also she spent a lot of time with richardson during the pre-draft process.  She said he Richardson might be her favorite person and has a magnetic personality.

 

Good Article in the athletic today we a number of scouts speaking about the QBs and other positions.

https://theathletic.com/4439864/2023/04/24/nfl-draft-stroud-richardson-anderson/

 

Almost all of them had Richardson with the highest ceiling and several had interesting quotes on Stroud

 

Richardson:

'Asked if he has any concerns about Richardson’s accuracy, QB coach 2 added, “No, I don’t worry about his accuracy. I think he’s got the best private quarterback coach (Will Hewlett) in the country. He’s gotten significantly better already. Hewlett’s the most realistic, non cookie-cutter real QB coach out there. What he does and how he communicates it and teaches is incredible.

“Watch his film from a year ago and watch indy (individual drills) and see some of the workout stuff and you can see improvement every single time. When Anthony and I talked, I loved him. 

 

Coaches say it’s Florida’s Anthony Richardson. QB coach 3 said he has Richardson as his No. 1 guy, “which is not like me,” adding, “Who has been more physically gifted than him? Andrew Luck? Richardson has a more gifted arm and is much faster. Cam (Newton) is taller, but Anthony is much faster and with a more dynamic arm. Josh (Allen) is bigger, but their arms are similar, and Josh is not even close to as fast.”

QB coach 3 said Richardson is still very raw, but he would definitely roll the dice on him. “Teams have proven that you can do it with a (talented) guy that is ‘not ready.’ They do the Jalen Hurts model. Look at what happened in Philly. They tried to do it the normal way and they were like 2-5. Then they said, ‘OK, this isn’t working.’ We’re gonna get fired so let’s do the Oklahoma offense — and then they started winning.

 

“Anthony has shown so much raw ability, and the Florida offense is fairly complicated. When you involve that many shifts and motions, you still have to operate it. There’s some full-field progression reads. He’s reading three-level floods. It wasn’t just read the corner here or not every single play was an RPO or they cut the field in half. He clearly wants to be a passer. It’s just that he happens to run a 4.43 too. He is just so unique as an athlete. Josh Allen went to Wyoming and was playing against not good competition. If Josh Allen was QB-ing for Florida with that surrounding cast, how bad would his film have looked? And he had some bad film at Wyoming.”

“I don’t want to make an excuse for the guy, but look at what they had all around Anthony. They really only had a first-round guard, a Day 3 wideout and a freshman running back who might be pretty good. That is it. Cam carrying a nothing Auburn team to the national title, that is beyond impressive. Cam also didn’t play anybody like today’s Georgia team.”

QB coach 1 “loves” Richardson but cautions, “If you’re taking him, you can’t play offense the way a lot of teams are playing offense in this league. You’ve gotta play to him. He is a freak. Play to his strengths. Don’t put him under center. Let him develop into that.”

QB coach 1 is also really intrigued by Richardson’s potential, particularly as a passer. “This guy really throws it. When you look at him mechanically, he’s pretty good. He can throw with balance. He’s got base. He’s not real long. I love this guy. The film verifies some of that. I went and watched the FSU game, what was he 39 percent (33 percent) in that one. But you watch that film. Yes, there are some things you don’t like, but not one receiver made one play on any ball thrown. He threw a post on the money. Guy can’t make the play. He throws a 9-ball on the money. Guy can’t make the play. I know what the numbers say, but the numbers don’t always tell the truth.”

 

CJ Stroud:

- 'I’ll be honest, I had Stroud ahead of (Bryce) Young,” said one veteran NFL QB coach whose team isn’t in the market to take a quarterback high in this draft. “But then I dug into some other things and put Young ahead of him.”

 

That veteran coach said he’s become a believer in the S2, but added that, in his view, there are four categories that really matter, and the overall score doesn’t mean anything. “To me, that’s what flipped me (to put Young ahead of Stroud). When I saw that S2, it was brutal,” he told The Athletic. “That’s scary. Now listen, if we were in that position, I’d get him to re-take that test. Sometimes that happens. Guy gets a false read on a test, but I do believe in S2 and … well, if I believe in it and you’ve got plenty of evidence from looking at the scores and the players that you’ve coached, you can’t discount it or deny it.”

 

QB coach 3 cited two QBs drafted in the top five in the last decade that have had some success but disappointing careers to this point plagued largely by poor decision-making and lots of turnovers that “scored terribly.” Joe Burrow did great on S2 and is a franchise quarterback. Mac Jones did very well also, but the jury’s still out on his NFL prospects. Teddy Bridgewater is another one who scored really well on S2, the coach said. “He’s not physically great, but (the cognition test) probably shows why he’s a great backup.”

QB coach 3 is perplexed by Stroud’s S2 results. “I know when I watch him that (low S2 score) doesn’t make sense. I was shocked when I heard he bombed it. Did he not try? He didn’t throw many picks. He didn’t have a lot of really bad split-second decisions. I just didn’t see it. He’s great going through his progressions.”

Asked if he thinks a lot of people high up in the NFL put a lot of stock in S2, the third QB coach said. “Houston not taking C.J. (at No. 2) would be interesting. Are they really putting that much stock in S2 or, do they care that Dave Mulugheta is his agent because that’s Deshaun (Watson)’s agent, and they despise his agent?

“I know this: C.J.’s film is really good. I just wish I saw what I saw against Georgia at least one more time, in terms of his play extension. But it’s not his fault that they’re better than everybody and he wasn’t forced to do that. I know he’s capable of it. It’s in there.”

 

 

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[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Vikings trading that far up for Richardson would make perfect sense with cousins still having a year on his deal.

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Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Vikings trading that far up for Richardson would make perfect sense with cousins still having a year on his deal.

I just don't know if they have enough ammunition to get it done. I guess they can always give up like 3 1sts+ but would they? 

[Dobbinblitz]

10 minutes ago, stitches said:

Here's an update on the odds at the sportsbooks:

 

- pick 1 - Bryce Young -5000(FD), -2000(DK)... seems like a done deal. This would be one of the biggest upsets if he doesn't go no. 1. 

- pick 2 - Will Anderson with a big move into the lead (-250 and -350)

- pick 3 - CJ Stroud is now in the lead. Relatively big move here too... seems like they expect a team to trade up to 3 for Stroud now - +125 on FD and -140 on DK

- pick 4!!! - Will Levis is still the favorite(+100 and + 120) with Anthony Richardson right behind him(+160 and +200)

There was a good deal of speculation Wilson would go ahead of Anderson. Seems foot and back medical concerns with Wilson have Anderson entrenched  at the top of the draft.

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[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

8 minutes ago, stitches said:

I just don't know if they have enough ammunition to get it done. I guess they can always give up like 3 1sts+ but would they? 

I don’t think they do it would be a lot of future picks. Plus they are probably going to be good next year with cousins still there so the 1st in 24 wouldn’t be very high.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

9 minutes ago, stitches said:

I just don't know if they have enough ammunition to get it done. I guess they can always give up like 3 1sts+ but would they? 

While Richardson is very intriguing, it seems to be a bit over the top to give away so much draft capital for a player that is far from a sure real deal. 

 

On the other hand, I expect to be surprised multiple times tonight. So who knows…

[Moosejawcolt]

32 minutes ago, chickenMan said:

Yeah that’s a little concerning. A question like that is something I would expect Joe Burrow or Josh Allen to be asking Peyton...y’know, experienced and proven quarterbacks who are just beginning to dip their toes into making money through advertising...that is not the question you should ask as an incoming rookie. Especially to Peyton, the guy who as soon as he was drafted ate, slept, and breathed Colts football 24/7 until he felt he had established himself as a legitimate QB in the league.

Its a legit question. However that being said, not the place to ask it.

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[Moosejawcolt]

29 minutes ago, chickenMan said:

That’s a fair take, and would be understandable. Still, what you can say about it then is that Will Levis may not be the best at creating good optics lol.

Call me crazy but I am warming up to Stroud. I actually do believe Ballard on this. They are comfortable with whoever is there art 4 and will make it work. 

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No idea if Tessler's tweet is doing it, but odds are slightly moving towards Richardson for the no. 4 pick but right now it's about 50-50... 

 

 

[ADnum1]

37 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

If we get to 500, it will be this 

Somehow I did not get a post in on page 400

[Yoshinator]

It's draft day guys! 

 

I'm hoping to get Levis or Richardson realistically at this point at 4 without trading up. Starting to lean towards Richardson a bit more as the draft approaches tonight. We'll have to see what happens. 

[Shive]

Really good friends of me and my wife decided to get married at the courthouse Tuesday and invited a small group of us to go out to dinner tonight at 7. So.....my plan of sitting at home by myself watching the 1st round of the draft with all of you crazy people won't be happening this year.

 

I'm hoping to at least be able to watch it live on my phone under the table. 

 

[Moosejawcolt]

7 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

It's draft day guys! 

 

I'm hoping to get Levis or Richardson realistically at this point at 4 without trading up. Starting to lean towards Richardson a bit more as the draft approaches tonight. We'll have to see what happens. 

Yeah  tear off the band aid and go Richardson.  If he is a bust, I will even give Ballard a pass lol

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.... aaaaand Richardson is now the betting favorite for no.4. Small favorite so far but this is the first time he's been the favorite for our pick. 

[RollerColt]

16 minutes ago, Shive said:

Really good friends of me and my wife decided to get married at the courthouse Tuesday and invited a small group of us to go out to dinner tonight at 7. So.....my plan of sitting at home by myself watching the 1st round of the draft with all of you crazy people won't be happening this year.

 

I'm hoping to at least be able to watch it live on my phone under the table. 

 

Just eat your dinner really, really fast!

 

 

Problem solved!

[Dobbinblitz]

19 minutes ago, Shive said:

Really good friends of me and my wife decided to get married at the courthouse Tuesday and invited a small group of us to go out to dinner tonight at 7. So.....my plan of sitting at home by myself watching the 1st round of the draft with all of you crazy people won't be happening this year.

 

I'm hoping to at least be able to watch it live on my phone under the table. 

 

Are 100% sure you are not having car trouble.

[iuswingman]

22 minutes ago, Shive said:

Really good friends of me and my wife decided to get married at the courthouse Tuesday and invited a small group of us to go out to dinner tonight at 7. So.....my plan of sitting at home by myself watching the 1st round of the draft with all of you crazy people won't be happening this year.

 

I'm hoping to at least be able to watch it live on my phone under the table. 

 

 

Good luck not getting caught

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Eagles would be looking for dline.

 

 

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If you want to post your predictions for the top 10:

 

 

 

[CR91]

I'm reading the only real viable options to move to three are the colts and the Titans. Titans want Stroud or Richardson. It all hinders on what the Texans do, but the majority of insiders believe Stroud will not be picked and it's most likely Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson. If that is the case then it comes down to preference for the colts. Do you want Herbert or do you want Cam.

[danlhart87]

 

 

 

[stitches]

I'm going to bed in an attempt to wake up for the draft. See ya later guys and gals... GO  

[danlhart87]

4 minutes ago, stitches said:

I'm going to bed in an attempt to wake up for the draft. See ya later guys and gals... GO  

8 hours later

 

 

 

 

 

 

[philba101]

Reports of Will Levis going No. 1 overall to the Panthers are greatly exaggerated, according to … Will Levis.

A hot Reddit rumor indicating that Levis was going to be the top selection in Thursday night's Round 1 isn't all it's cracked up to be, Levis says.

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet," Levis said Wednesday.

Will Levis on the anonymous Reddit post. pic.twitter.com/pXKuwYAf4M

— Scott Fowler (@scott_fowler) April 26, 2023

[Nickster]

2 hours ago, stitches said:

That was an interesting interaction...  And again... it's not really a red flag just some... weird stuff. 

Man I don't think there is anything weird about it at all. Manning didn't seem to either. I think this is very relevant. 

 

Peyton Manning is the king of commercial endorsements.  He's asking about balancing the two areas.  Who would be better to ask about this than the commercial king Peyton Manning?  I don't get how that's not serious.  He seemed serious when he asked it and Manning gave a serious answer.

 

No friggin' banana peels and PB and Mayo . . , That's freakin weird. 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

7 minutes ago, stitches said:

I'm going to bed in an attempt to wake up for the draft. See ya later guys and gals... GO  

You wake up. Colts are on the clock. Levis and Richardson are still there both:

you & me:

[Nickster]

44 minutes ago, Shive said:

Really good friends of me and my wife decided to get married at the courthouse Tuesday and invited a small group of us to go out to dinner tonight at 7. So.....my plan of sitting at home by myself watching the 1st round of the draft with all of you crazy people won't be happening this year.

 

I'm hoping to at least be able to watch it live on my phone under the table. 

 

Bummer man.  If there are table cloths, it's really easy . . . Or at least that's what I heard lol. 

[danlhart87]

1 minute ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:

You wake up. Colts are on the clock. Levis and Richardson are still there both:

you & me:

And they select Bijan 

[ADnum1]

8 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

8 hours later

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Colts fans if they pick Anderson at 4

 

[danlhart87]

1 minute ago, PRnum1 said:

 

Colts fans if they pick Anderson at 4

 

Im fine with Anderson

[philba101]

1 minute ago, PRnum1 said:

 

Colts fans if they pick Anderson at 4

 

Maybe the final 92 pages or so should be dedicated to Memes!

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This would be such a great scenario for colts if a team who didn’t need a QB moved to 3. 
 

 

[Nickster]

4 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Im fine with Anderson

 

I wouldn't want them to select a non QB unless they traded down.  There will be someone coveting the 4th QB, and there could be a chance to pick up some good capital there.  Now if they don't like who's left at 4, then you can't pull the trigger. 

 

But I think it would be wasteful not to trade down if you are not going QB.  If we don't go QB then you likely have to delay the "turn around" one more year, which theoretically I'm fine with, but I would think if that was the case, you'd want to trade down and pick up one of the LTs or DL guys.  I think most poeple are bearish on pass catching talent. 

[Moosejawcolt]

1 hour ago, Jared Cisneros said:

It's draft day guys! 

 

I'm hoping to get Levis or Richardson realistically at this point at 4 without trading up. Starting to lean towards Richardson a bit more as the draft approaches tonight. We'll have to see what happens. 

Lombardi confident that Levia going to Houston.

[JColts72]

9 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Im fine with Anderson

I would take him instead of Levis.

21 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

8 hours later

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Ballard trades down.

[danlhart87]

6 minutes ago, JColts72 said:

I would take him instead of Levis.

If Ballard trades down.

Im fine with that too pending how the board falls

 

Hypothetical Question

If Eagles offered 10 and 30 for 4 what would you do