Injuries

[Stephen]

6 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

That's nonsense.     The Patriots dominated for a decade plus without a guy that could go deep

What did Randy moss do for Brady. He turned him from an efficient QB to leading the league in tds. We need a deep threat that stays healthy and reaches their potential not another Anthony Gonzales or Austin collie

[jvan1973]

Just now, Stephen said:

What did Randy moss do for Brady. He turned him from an efficient QB to leading the league in tds. We need a deep threat that stays healthy and reaches their potential not another Anthony Gonzales or Austin collie

How many superbowls did Brady win with Moss?

[GoColts8818]

Just now, Stephen said:

What did Randy moss do for Brady. He turned him from an efficient QB to leading the league in tds. We need a deep threat that stays healthy and reaches their potential not another Anthony Gonzales or Austin collie

Yet Brady won all Super Bowls in New England without Moss.  They couldn’t get over the hump with him.

[Four2itus]

Thread content like this.... is a great place for "ignore feature" ideas!

[John Hammonds]

I think I'll add something that will fit right in with the level of this conversation:

 

Parris Campbell should never have changed his jersey number.  It's bad luck to change your jersey number.

[Stephen]

4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

How many superbowls did Brady win with Moss?

Brady choked in super bowl with moss

[Stephen]

5 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Yet Brady won all Super Bowls in New England without Moss.  They couldn’t get over the hump with him.

Just like colts couldn't win with edgerrin James it wasn't that the team wasn't good enough just bad luck

[Stephen]

16 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

That's nonsense.     The Patriots dominated for a decade plus without a guy that could go deep

Not true Edelman and front could go deep

[jvan1973]

3 minutes ago, Stephen said:

Brady choked in super bowl with moss

Yeah,   it was Bradys fault.   Lmao

[Blueblood23]

13 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Where should we send them?   Please tell me more about your vast knowledge of the NFL and the reality that we are all unaware of

They would be laid off for not being able to do their job in most public and private companies.

[Stephen]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

Yeah,   it was Bradys fault.   Lmao

Two miracle catches by the Giants plus Brady being knocked out for the year in 08

[coming on strong]

11 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Good lord,   you doubled down on your bad take?

no you did claiming losing a deep threat has no effect on a team .  comparing one of the greatest QBs of all time not needing great deep threats to carson . 

[Blueblood23]

20 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

It’s ignorant nonsense. 
 

Getting injured playing NFL doesn’t make you a bust.  Not being very good makes you a bust.   Not being devoted to your job makes you a bust.   Partying and getting drunk or stoned makes you a bust.   
 

Getting injured makes you unlucky or unfortunate.    It doesn’t make you a bust. 

You must be infatuated with the word bust. It’s your word not mine. 

[GoColts8818]

6 minutes ago, Stephen said:

Just like colts couldn't win with edgerrin James it wasn't that the team wasn't good enough just bad luck

Just saying sighting a guy the Pats didn’t win a Super Bowl with as an example of why they need a WR like that isn’t the best argument in the world.  Plenty of teams have won Super Bowls without a WR like Moss.

[jvan1973]

6 minutes ago, Blueblood23 said:

They would be laid off for not being able to do their job in most public and private companies.

They will get paid the rest of the season regardless.   Also they work for a private company

[Stephen]

1 minute ago, GoColts8818 said:

Just saying sighting a guy the Pats didn’t win a Super Bowl with as an example of why they need a WR like that isn’t the best argument in the world.  Plenty of teams have won Super Bowls without a WR like Moss.

Yea but not many have gotten there without elite play makers on one side of the ball. Infact one year Edelman set some kind of playoff record

[jvan1973]

9 minutes ago, Stephen said:

Not true Edelman and front could go deep

Edelman was not known for going deep

[Stephen]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

Edelman was not known for going deep

But he could still do it because of elite route running

[Btown_Colt]

Just now, Stephen said:

But he could still do it because of elite route running

Well all of them can once in a while, surely you understand that wasn’t what he was known for. 

[Stephen]

2 minutes ago, Btown_Colt said:

Well all of them can once in a while, surely you understand that wasn’t what he was known for. 

He averaged 11 yards a reception gronk averaged 14.5 a reception and Deon branch 12.8. they were all chain movers that could occasionally strike deep. Even Edelman who has the lowest yards per reception of the group had a few 60 plus yard plays

[Btown_Colt]

1 minute ago, Stephen said:

He averaged 11 yards a reception gronk averaged 14.5 a reception and Deon branch 12.8. they were all chain movers that could occasionally strike deep. Even Edelman who has the lowest yards per reception of the group had a few 60 plus yard plays

Ok…so when someone mentions Edelman, you think deep threat? I’m curious what you would consider TY? I believe he has caught a few short passes. 

[Stephen]

10 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Edelman was not known for going deep

For comparison sake Marvin Harrison averaged 13.2 yards a reception, branch 12.8, moss 15.6 Gronk 14.5

[Patrick Miller]

42 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

You must be super intense.   I always eat dirt after an ankle sprain

Lol! Rubbing dirt on it or in this case eating dirt always works! Ask Peyton!

[Btown_Colt]

11 minutes ago, Stephen said:

He averaged 11 yards a reception gronk averaged 14.5 a reception and Deon branch 12.8. they were all chain movers that could occasionally strike deep. Even Edelman who has the lowest yards per reception of the group had a few 60 plus yard plays

And yards per a reception probably includes yards after catch? 

[Stephen]

7 minutes ago, Btown_Colt said:

Ok…so when someone mentions Edelman, you think deep threat? I’m curious what you would consider TY? I believe he has caught a few short passes. 

My point is that Edelman could catch passes at every level of the field. He wasn't limited to just short passes. If you can't stretch the field teams will load up box to stop both the run and short passing game

[Smoke317]

I want to see Patmon get reps.  I think he can do what Pascal has done if given the opportunity. 

[Btown_Colt]

2 minutes ago, Stephen said:

My point is that Edelman could catch passes at every level of the field. He wasn't limited to just short passes. If you can't stretch the field teams will load up box to stop both the run and short passing game

I only responded when you were trying to claim Edelman was known for being a deep threat. 

 

To the rest, yea I mean I mostly agree, but isn’t that the point Jvan was making…that the Patriots were able to win for years without any real deep threat?  

[jvan1973]

22 minutes ago, Patrick Miller said:

Lol! Rubbing dirt on it or in this case eating dirt always works! Ask Peyton!

Not always for me. That **** hurts

[jvan1973]

24 minutes ago, Stephen said:

For comparison sake Marvin Harrison averaged 13.2 yards a reception, branch 12.8, moss 15.6 Gronk 14.5

Ok,  what does that have to do with deep target receptions?  Moss was maybe the best of all time,   they didn't win the ring that year.   Gronk is and was a freak.   He isn't known for 60+ yard tds.   He is the best at getting huge gains in the seam.   

[EastStreet]

Just watched the play a few times. 

 

Total freak type of injury. 

His foot was vertical, toe to the ground, then a couple hundred pounds with build up momentum comes down directly on his heel. 

 

That's not a "glass" type of injury. 

[EastStreet]

37 minutes ago, Smoke317 said:

I want to see Patmon get reps.  I think he can do what Pascal has done if given the opportunity. 

Pascal is very physical. Patmon has been know (even called out by his college coach) to be the opposite of physical. 

I do think Patmon could be successful on slants and go routes, but I think he's simply limited when it comes to possession type routes.

[Indyfan4life]

8 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Just watched the play a few times. 

 

Total freak type of injury. 

His foot was vertical, toe to the ground, then a couple hundred pounds with build up momentum comes down directly on his heel. 

 

That's not a "glass" type of injury. 

Exactly. Everyone is acting like he injured himself in practice or did it to himself. Literally anyone at anytime could have what happened to him happen. 

[Stephen]

3 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

Exactly. Everyone is acting like he injured himself in practice or did it to himself. Literally anyone at anytime could have what happened to him happen. 

It's the fact that it seems to always happen to Campbell that is the problem

[2006Coltsbestever]

I think Campbell's career is about over. I hate to say that but he gets injured all the time. Likable guy and great talent but just can't stay healthy 

[MPStack]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I think Campbell's career is about over. I hate to say that but he gets injured all the time. Likable guy and great talent but just can't stay healthy 

 

Disappointing and very true. Maybe next year he plays 8 games. 
 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, MPStack said:

 

Disappointing and very true. Maybe next year he plays 8 games. 
 

Yeah I always defend our guys but after a while the writing is on the wall with certain players. He just gets injured with even being barely touched. 

[EastStreet]

18 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

Exactly. Everyone is acting like he injured himself in practice or did it to himself. Literally anyone at anytime could have what happened to him happen. 

 

Yup. The glass narrative really doesn't hold up here, or if you at his other injuries, there either.... 

Still, the sheer frequency of his injuries can't be ignored. 

I'd say he's not glass, but he is awfully unlucky. 

And either way, we need a guy who is available. 

As long as we have TY, or a guy like Coutee ready to pop up, I think we'll be OK.

[Stephen]

1 hour ago, Btown_Colt said:

I only responded when you were trying to claim Edelman was known for being a deep threat. 

 

To the rest, yea I mean I mostly agree, but isn’t that the point Jvan was making…that the Patriots were able to win for years without any real deep threat?  

I was saying the Patriots had a deep threat even when they didn't have moss

[2006Coltsbestever]

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[Indyfan4life]

2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Yup. The glass narrative really doesn't hold up here, or if you at his other injuries, there either.... 

Still, the sheer frequency of his injuries can't be ignored. 

I'd say he's not glass, but he is awfully unlucky. 

And either way, we need a guy who is available. 

As long as we have TY, or a guy like Coutee ready to pop up, I think we'll be OK.

I agree. Think he’s more unlucky than anything. Which is highly unfortunate, because it’s obvious the skill and talent are there when he can actually play.