Desir

[runthepost]

I hope tonight is the last night we see him in a Colts uniform. The guy couldn’t even cover a quarterback running a corner route. Honestly all of our corners besides Moore have been terrible this year. You think Ballard will actually make a move in free agency or will it be the same old same old and draft a corner and hope he turns out decent?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I don’t think he has played healthy all season.

[bigt]

He needs to start drafting DL.  Forget about linebackers, cbs, and safeties until he builds the trenches.  Hunt, Autry, Grover, & Lewis.  No wonder our secondary looks like garbage.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, bigt said:

He needs to start drafting DL.  Forget about linebackers, cbs, and safeties until he builds the trenches.  Hunt, Autry, Grover, & Lewis.  No wonder our secondary looks like garbage.

Yep. Secondary will look better if the dline gets upgraded.

[EastStreet]

17 minutes ago, bigt said:

He needs to start drafting DL.  Forget about linebackers, cbs, and safeties until he builds the trenches.  Hunt, Autry, Grover, & Lewis.  No wonder our secondary looks like garbage.

 

A good interior DL threat can make the entire D play much better.

 

Just like a good QB can make the entire O look much better.

[Luck 4 president]

Got put on skates by a 3rd string QB 

[ProblChld32]

1 hour ago, runthepost said:

I hope tonight is the last night we see him in a Colts uniform. The guy couldn’t even cover a quarterback running a corner route. Honestly all of our corners besides Moore have been terrible this year. You think Ballard will actually make a move in free agency or will it be the same old same old and draft a corner and hope he turns out decent?

I was one that was not happy when he was brought back. Folks in this forum was ready to title him as the new Revis after shutting down Hopkins for one game. 

[GoColts8818]

I don’t know if he’s just hurt or rusty or the clock has struck midnight on him catching lighting in a bottle which happens sometimes to players.

[Defjamz26]

Desir was never a high level corner. But do you notice the trend?

 

Desir, Hunt, Glowinski

 

These are all players who had one breakout season and got awarded extensions only to regress the next season. 

[csmopar]

3 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

Desir was never a high level corner. But do you notice the trend?

 

Desir, Hunt, Glowinski

 

These are all players who had one breakout season and got awarded extensions only to regress the next season. 

Glow hasn’t regressed. They put up a stat last night that showed the Colts OL gives the QB more time than any one else in the league, problem is JB holds on to the ball forever making the OL look worse than it is. 

4 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

A good interior DL threat can make the entire D play much better.

 

Just like a good QB can make the entire O look much better.

We’ve not been the same since Turay went down on DL either

[Mr.Debonair]

Desir finessed a few good games against D-Hop into a nice contract. This place loves to overhype the players on this team.

 

Him and Rock have been abused all year 

[Jdubu]

6 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said:

Desir finessed a few good games against D-Hop into a nice contract. This place loves to overhype the players on this team.

 

Him and Rock have been abused all year 

Rock is a rookie and you expect a learning curve plus he is a better man cover than our crappy zone we go into a lot. Desir, while he got another contract, it wasn’t like we paid him elite #1 money. He got a solid payday for 2019, more than he is earning this year for sure but what’s great, he is cuttable with no cap hit after the year. Had he performed well, we had him for respectable money, if he regressed, he can leave without injury to the cap. No sweat. Good contract strategy imho. Saying that, I think Desir has been injured most of the year and let’s face it, the scheme has not been pretty all season. 

[Mr.Debonair]

13 minutes ago, Jdubu said:

Rock is a rookie and you expect a learning curve plus he is a better man cover than our crappy zone we go into a lot. Desir, while he got another contract, it wasn’t like we paid him elite #1 money. He got a solid payday for 2019, more than he is earning this year for sure but what’s great, he is cuttable with no cap hit after the year. Had he performed well, we had him for respectable money, if he regressed, he can leave without injury to the cap. No sweat. Good contract strategy imho. Saying that, I think Desir has been injured most of the year and let’s face it, the scheme has not been pretty all season. 

I underStand the learning curve talk but game 14 and I haven’t seen improvement. I haven’t seen anything that suggests he will grow into whatever they envisioned for him. That whether he’s in man or zone. One INT and that was on a gift by Foles. 4 pass deflections on the year.

 

Not buying the Desir not being healthy angle either. He’s getting beat by multiple types of WRs. Fast, possession, and backup

QBs

[Jdubu]

6 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said:

I underStand the learning curve talk but game 14 and I haven’t seen improvement. I haven’t seen anything that suggests he will grow into whatever they envisioned for him. That whether he’s in man or zone. One INT and that was on a gift by Foles. 4 pass deflections on the year.

 

Not buying the Desir not being healthy angle either. He’s getting beat by multiple types of WRs. Fast, possession, and backup

QBs

Coaching and scheme. We’ve seen some good and some bad from Rock. I’m giving him the rookie pass as a second round pick up. If we could get a little pressure up front, it would accelerate his curve as well but qb’s have all day to scan, set and throw darts. Let’s revisit Rock next season, but I do get your concern just as well. 
 

as for Desir, if the groin is and has been an issue, I could definitely see that being an issue. How the team has dealt with injuries this year has been odd and probably some of the worst we’ve seen in years. I’m not sure what’s happening here but the team in general feels like it’s in disarray. But as for Desir, if he was replaced by a new guy next season, I doubt he is missed too badly. Give me a penetrating DT and that backfield, including our missing FS Hooker, would look 10 times better due to quicker and more off balance throws. Our scheme and front line need to be better. 

[pgt_rob]

I was never a huge fan of Desir. He’s had a couple nice games against Hopkins but other than that, he’s been very inconsistent. 
 

Ya-Sin isn’t looking that much better either but he’s a rookie being thrown to the wolves to learn. I hope he progresses.

[lollygagger8]

I believe he's playing hurt, because last year he was 10x faster than he is now. 

 

I hope all that money that he got isn't weighing him down. 

[John Hammonds]

Last night, Desir was a prime example of being good enough to earn the starting role, and getting heaps of praise for being the #1 CB on your team, and then finding out what you really need to compete at championship level.  We have a lot of players like that on our team.  But Desir gets singled out as The Example.

[dodsworth]

A 4-3 defense starts and ends in the trenches, we have no push

from the defensive line.

[B~Town]

5 hours ago, csmopar said:

Glow hasn’t regressed. They put up a stat last night that showed the Colts OL gives the QB more time than any one else in the league, problem is JB holds on to the ball forever making the OL look worse than it is. 

We’ve not been the same since Turay went down on DL either

Our o line has been great JB just holds the ball to long . A good Qb would make our team better in so many areas . 

[IinD]

2 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

I believe he's playing hurt, because last year he was 10x faster than he is now. 

 

I hope all that money that he got isn't weighing him down. 

Knee cash'itis'. To much pressure on the knee joints from his pockets being huge.. Lol

[richard pallo]

5 hours ago, Mr.Debonair said:

Desir finessed a few good games against D-Hop into a nice contract. This place loves to overhype the players on this team.

 

Him and Rock have been abused all year 

I think they decided to let Rock and Willis learn on the fly.  They decided to live with the growing pains.  

[Ratking]

9 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

Desir was never a high level corner. But do you notice the trend?

 

Desir, Hunt, Glowinski

 

These are all players who had one breakout season and got awarded extensions only to regress the next season. 

When Ballard talks about paying his own guys, and not spending in free agency, I hope Desir, Hunt, and Glow are good reminders of the failure of that strategy for him. 

Ballard's high character but expensive and non talented player template failed last night. His high character guys laid down. 

[EastStreet]

6 hours ago, csmopar said:

Glow hasn’t regressed. They put up a stat last night that showed the Colts OL gives the QB more time than any one else in the league, problem is JB holds on to the ball forever making the OL look worse than it is. 

We’ve not been the same since Turay went down on DL either

Yup, our OL is perfectly fine, and would be ranked even higher with a QB with even an average time to throw.

 

Turay flashed, but he was still a specialist. His snap count was hovering between 20 and 40%, and the only game he really played significantly more was the game Muhammad was dinged up. That said, I did love the way he was trending. I still don't think he would have mattered last night vs NO as Brees has one of the best time to throws in the league.

[r a y s k i]

13 hours ago, runthepost said:

I hope tonight is the last night we see him in a Colts uniform. The guy couldn’t even cover a quarterback running a corner route. Honestly all of our corners besides Moore have been terrible this year. You think Ballard will actually make a move in free agency or will it be the same old same old and draft a corner and hope he turns out decent?

Apart from Bouye and maybe Jason Mccourty, any other free agent corners who were worth the price tag lately?

[r a y s k i]

1 hour ago, Ratking said:

When Ballard talks about paying his own guys, and not spending in free agency, I hope Desir, Hunt, and Glow are good reminders of the failure of that strategy for him. 

Ballard's high character but expensive and non talented player template failed last night. His high character guys laid down. 

I don't see the big problem here, they got paid for a year, didn't  improve, we'll move on. They didn't exactly break the bank for these guys did they. It's always cheaper and more sensible to sign an uptrending guy of your own then break the bank for a free agent.

[runthepost]

37 minutes ago, rayski said:

Apart from Bouye and maybe Jason Mccourty, any other free agent corners who were worth the price tag lately?

Sherman

[Ratking]

2 hours ago, rayski said:

I don't see the big problem here, they got paid for a year, didn't  improve, we'll move on. They didn't exactly break the bank for these guys did they. It's always cheaper and more sensible to sign an uptrending guy of your own then break the bank for a free agent.

I do agree with you that the Colts can just move on. They refuse to spend their cap money on free agents anyways. So, why not toss handfuls of it to character guys instead of athletes. 

At this rate the Colts will be "moving on" and rebuilding their roster for the next decade. 2030 super bowl here we come!!!! 

(yes I am a still upset about last night's smack down lol.. Can you tell) 

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

I like Desir, Hes one of the least of the Colts problems!