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1 hour ago, SupermanLuck12 said:

I'm hoping Joe Haeg becomes out starting RG down the stretch.

 

I don't know why you'd want, Haeg, a rookie.

 

I'd like to see Good,  who has flashed a lot in his short time with the team.    Good seems like a natural guard.

 

Just a different perspective.....

 

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15 hours ago, SteelCityColt said:

Thornton is one of the most frustrating Colts in recent memory, talented but always seemingly banged up. 

 

There's an outside chance he doesn't make the 53 IMO.

I'd say the same about Reitz. Veteran or not, we have 3 other guys who can play RT and he wasn't impressive Saturday.

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5 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

I'd say the same about Reitz. Veteran or not, we have 3 other guys who can play RT and he wasn't impressive Saturday.

Who are the 3 you feel comfortable with at RT?  

 

I agree Reitz needs to play better don't get me wrong

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9 minutes ago, akcolt said:

Who are the 3 you feel comfortable with at RT?  

 

I agree Reitz needs to play better don't get me wrong

 

I don't feel comfortable with Reitz.  I've always said he was a good backup, but I don't feel confident with him as a starter at all.  Seems like many think he will come in and be this second coming of Genghis Kahn and just murder everyone.  He's a very solid backup, but I don't feel too confident with him as a starter, never have.

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Reitz actually played well at RT last season. Not at an elite level but well enough to where the talk of him needing to be replaced makes no sense. He struggled a bit preseason game 1 but he will get it right and bounce back. Reitz getting cut just wont happen. This year could be his last year however IF Clark or Haeg impress going forward with the chances they will have but Reitz is safe this year. No chance he gets cut

 

Is Thornton safe? Not so much. To make it worse for Thornton is the dead cap to cut him is very minimal at a little over $136,000.00. What he does have going for him right now is 2 things: His cap hit is only a little over 1.8 mill. And #2 which is ultimately more important for him right now is nobody has yet to clearly have a death grip at RG yet. Good by no means did really well but at the same time wasn't horrible. He really didn't dominate at the LOS and got stood up and taken down at least once in minimal snaps. Having trouble accessing Rewind right now or I would be more specific about exactly what times

 

Ultimately Thornton is still the most talented O Lineman on the roster with a minimal cap hit on a team who has no clear answer at RG. He stays I think

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7 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

I'd say the same about Reitz. Veteran or not, we have 3 other guys who can play RT and he wasn't impressive Saturday.

I wouldn't go that far. Reitz was pretty good last year. Yes he struggled this past weekend but I don't think he should be cut over a preseason game. Pagano is always praising Reitz anyway so I doubt he gets cut.

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6 hours ago, akcolt said:

Who are the 3 you feel comfortable with at RT?  

 

I agree Reitz needs to play better don't get me wrong

Haeg, Good, and Clark. Clark is the least ready, I'll admit but if he learns just a little more technique refinement, he's got enough physical tools to hold up on the right side.

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3 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

Haeg, Good, and Clark. Clark is the least ready, I'll admit but if he learns just a little more technique refinement, he's got enough physical tools to hold up on the right side.

I agree, I believe anyone of those three players down the road can be instant starters and a stud for us. Haeg seems to be really impressive. Clark has rare tools, and in a year or two he can be the guy.

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On 8/15/2016 at 0:21 AM, NewColtsFan said:

 

I don't know why you'd want, Haeg, a rookie.

 

I'd like to see Good,  who has flashed a lot in his short time with the team.    Good seems like a natural guard.

 

Just a different perspective.....

 

Haeg seems to be physically better suited for a tackle position - which is not to say he couldn't play guard. What I hope doesn't happen is playing musical chairs with the OL - experimenting with different players in different positions during the season, looking for a perfect fit, when they never get a chance to learn how to play a certain position well. I agree that Good will make a great contribution to the O-line, but any new position will take some time.

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6 hours ago, Gavin said:

Reitz actually played well at RT last season. Not at an elite level but well enough to where the talk of him needing to be replaced makes no sense. He struggled a bit preseason game 1 but he will get it right and bounce back. Reitz getting cut just wont happen. This year could be his last year however IF Clark or Haeg impress going forward with the chances they will have but Reitz is safe this year. No chance he gets cut

 

Is Thornton safe? Not so much. To make it worse for Thornton is the dead cap to cut him is very minimal at a little over $136,000.00. What he does have going for him right now is 2 things: His cap hit is only a little over 1.8 mill. And #2 which is ultimately more important for him right now is nobody has yet to clearly have a death grip at RG yet. Good by no means did really well but at the same time wasn't horrible. He really didn't dominate at the LOS and got stood up and taken down at least once in minimal snaps. Having trouble accessing Rewind right now or I would be more specific about exactly what times

 

Ultimately Thornton is still the most talented O Lineman on the roster with a minimal cap hit on a team who has no clear answer at RG. He stays I think

 

I think he goes. He's a free agent after this year and he's underperformed when healthy and that's not too often. He's not part of the future and Colts may want to play some kid that could be.

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Nobody played well enough on Saturday to really threaten Thornton as the starter.  The team may not view him as a long term solution at RG but there isn't really anyone that can threaten him right now.

 

Now before the season starts maybe Good or Haeg will improve by leaps and bounds (which is possible, sometimes that happens).

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6 hours ago, CoachLite said:

Haeg seems to be physically better suited for a tackle position - which is not to say he couldn't play guard. What I hope doesn't happen is playing musical chairs with the OL - experimenting with different players in different positions during the season, looking for a perfect fit, when they never get a chance to learn how to play a certain position well. I agree that Good will make a great contribution to the O-line, but any new position will take some time.

I think the reality is much closer the following: If you feel the need to experiment with an O Lineman you drafted on what he will play then its a good bet you probably shouldn't have drafted him in the first place. It should be pretty apparent on film. Stick them at a position they are comfortable at and let them learn while also either having there backups at the position in place. I'm not all into the position versatility stuff. Let them learn one position first

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2 hours ago, Gavin said:

I think the reality is much closer the following: If you feel the need to experiment with an O Lineman you drafted on what he will play then its a good bet you probably shouldn't have drafted him in the first place. It should be pretty apparent on film. Stick them at a position they are comfortable at and let them learn while also either having there backups at the position in place. I'm not all into the position versatility stuff. Let them learn one position first

 

I have no idea why in the world you think this?      You make it seem like the Colts are the only team that values versatility.      It hasn't been a problem before,  so why is it a problem now?     

 

Since a team typically dresses 7-8 guys for a game,  and you don't know who is going to go down with an injury,  you need versatility to put guys in their best positions.      You may not have the luxury of having a back-up who can naturally fill the spot that went down.     You've got to do the best you can with what you have.    

 

Versatility is a good thing,  not a bad thing.   

 

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38 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I have no idea why in the world you think this?      You make it seem like the Colts are the only team that values versatility.      It hasn't been a problem before,  so why is it a problem now?     

 

Since a team typically dresses 7-8 guys for a game,  and you don't know who is going to go down with an injury,  you need versatility to put guys in their best positions.      You may not have the luxury of having a back-up who can naturally fill the spot that went down.     You've got to do the best you can with what you have.    

 

Versatility is a good thing,  not a bad thing.   

 

Versatility is obviously a good thing yes we agree on that. A team has to have a couple O Linemen that are versatile and are physically capable of holding down a couple spots along the O Line. I believe its when you place versatility over a solid technician and move him around so much early on is when it can become a problem. Let him get comfortable at the spot he played at in college if he is built for that in the NFL first before one starts placing expectations of other positions on him because multiple positions means multiple different types of footwork and technique and assignments and for many its just to much to fast. Its why so many fail. There head is spinning in executing different assignments and different techniques

 

Not because they don't have talent or the brains to perform an assignment but there are not a lot of people in the world that do well under pressure of having to perform multiple assignments at once. This is both for football players and regular every day average joes. People are different no matter the profession. I say if your looking for immediate versatility among O Linemen get that in FA among a vet who has experience in the NFL and experience at playing multiple spots. Let the rookie develop and get comfortable at 1 spot he is familiar with and bring him along as he gets comfortable at that spot. Besides that how many O Linemen are truly versatile? Very few when it comes down to it. Being physically able to handle a position does not make you versatile. Being good at those other positions you are asked to handle makes you versatile. Its like sticking Joe Reitz at LT because coaches think he is versatile enough to play it. Well the reality is he isn't good at LT. Being good at multiple positions makes you versatile not having the physical traits to play multiple positions. Traits are merely a starting point

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