Colts make Roster Moves

[akcolt]

I say you might as well have stuck with Rainey if you needed a returner over something like this.  I mean we do give our family a chance when they make a mistake, at least that's what Pagano said in the case of Brazil the first time around.  Then you have Saunders the tight end who was suspended for so many games and Grigs and Pagano bring him back.  On the flip side although I'm not very certain what type of team policy was broken, it seems like in Raineys case they weren't willing to give him the family treatment.

 

 

I'll see what this new little fellow looks like but I still feel they should have given Rainey a bit more of a chance.

I am just wondering why we are all caught up on a PR/KR when we still have questions about our O Line. Don't get me wrong I am all for an explosive player. I agree with you Rainey he seemed like the guy. By all accounts even Pagano he had his burst back and was looking great in camp. I will be interested to hear what he did when it finally comes out. 

 

I give Richardson all the props in the world for making it off probation usually once the state gets you you are in the system for good. I worked in the system and for the most part Probation is set up for you to fail. At least that was my experience with it. The PO's think their job is to put people back in jail rather than really help them get their life straight. Most are burnt out and don't think people are capable of change. It is one of the main reason's I got out of the field.

 

That being said why bring in a convicted armed robber but not a knuckle head? Half the crap Incognitio has done Gronk gets a that crazy guy for. Who really knows what happened in Miami. It just seems strange to me. That's all.

[PrincetonTiger]

I am just wondering why we are all caught up on a PR/KR when we still have questions about our O Line. Don't get me wrong I am all for an explosive player. I agree with you Rainey he seemed like the guy. By all accounts even Pagano he had his burst back and was looking great in camp. I will be interested to hear what he did when it finally comes out. 

 

I give Richardson all the props in the world for making it off probation usually once the state gets you you are in the system for good. I worked in the system and for the most part Probation is set up for you to fail. At least that was my experience with it. The PO's think their job is to put people back in jail rather than really help them get their life straight. Most are burnt out and don't think people are capable of change. It is one of the main reason's I got out of the field.

 

That being said why bring in a convicted armed robber but not a knuckle head? Half the crap Incognitio has done Gronk gets a that crazy guy for. Who really knows what happened in Miami. It just seems strange to me. That's all.

This signing could mean bad news for Whalen

[bestQBever]

he's just another body. forget practice squad, he won't make it past the first cuts.

[PrincetonTiger]

Really :Richardson was booted from the team, and eventually pleaded guilty to the charges, getting probation but avoiding jail time.

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/05/16/patriots-giving-keese-richardson-second-chance/dknkR8ZNrCvYXEtufi7bFI/story.html

 

That isn't even my point my point is why are we bringing in guys that have this kind of history at a position we are stacked out. When there is a guy out there at a position we need help at that is a proven NFL caliber starter and would probably be the best G on our team?

My mistake

Incognito is tarnished and his career could be over

[akcolt]

This signing could mean bad news for Whalen

We do seem determined to find a real threat on returns.

[PrincetonTiger]

We do seem determined to find a real threat on returns.

Agreed

[akcolt]

My mistake

Incognito is tarnished and his career could be over

Someone will grab him a pro bowler 2 yrs ago can play all 3 interior line positions sooner or later he will get a chance. I kind of wish it was us. He would be cheap and I think the locker room could handle him if they can't send him packing. The time to do it would be now though.

 

If we are rolling with the youngsters they need all the time they can get together. The continuity alone will make us better than last year. I don't care who you are 8 different lines in 8 straight weeks is going to cause problems.

[GoColts8818]

In almost every case the guys in question who have signed with the Colts broke rules due to immaturity and have been model citizens their dismissals/Suspensions

Wonderful, still Dungy's Colts wouldn't have taken a shot at most of these guys period.  That's just an observation not so much a comment on if it was better or worse way to approach things.

[krunk]

I am just wondering why we are all caught up on a PR/KR when we still have questions about our O Line. Don't get me wrong I am all for an explosive player. I agree with you Rainey he seemed like the guy. By all accounts even Pagano he had his burst back and was looking great in camp. I will be interested to hear what he did when it finally comes out. 

 

I give Richardson all the props in the world for making it off probation usually once the state gets you you are in the system for good. I worked in the system and for the most part Probation is set up for you to fail. At least that was my experience with it. The PO's think their job is to put people back in jail rather than really help them get their life straight. Most are burnt out and don't think people are capable of change. It is one of the main reason's I got out of the field.

 

That being said why bring in a convicted armed robber but not a knuckle head? Half the crap Incognitio has done Gronk gets a that crazy guy for. Who really knows what happened in Miami. It just seems strange to me. That's all.

 

 

 

With the Colts it's all about personality fits.  This little fella Richardson may be a better person and personality than the act he commited 5 years ago. They are big on the locker room chemistry which almost everyone knows is really good in Indy.  I just don't think you would be helping things by bringing in a recent locker room bully like Incognito.  On top of that I think it would turn things into a media circus which we are definitely not ready for that in Indy I don't think.

 

I do agree with you though in saying I feel a little bit uneasy about the O Line since the loss of Thomas.  As good as Mewhort appears to be, I remember some of Thorntons' struggles from last year as a rookie.

[akcolt]

With the Colts it's all about personality fits.  They are big on the locker room chemistry which almost everyone knows is really good in Indy.  I just don't think you would be helping things by bringing in a locker room bully.  On top of that I think it would turn things into a media circus which we are definitely not ready for that in Indy I don't think.

Good point on the media circus didn't consider that. Then Grigs better have nailed it with his draft picks. There isn't much behind them.

 

He seems quite determined to upgrade the return game which I am all for. I really want to know what the story was with Rainey must be something to it if no one has brought him in for a look. You can't teach speed.

[krunk]

Good point on the media circus didn't consider that. Then Grigs better have nailed it with his draft picks. There isn't much behind them.

 

He seems quite determined to upgrade the return game which I am all for. I really want to know what the story was with Rainey must be something to it if no one has brought him in for a look. You can't teach speed.

 

I'd like to know exactly what the story was as well.  I mean if he didn't break any state or federal laws, and it wasn't something where the commissioner could take disciplinary action then I can't imagine what he could have done to get booted out so fast directly after the coach saying what a good camp he was having.  The only way I can understand it is if he did something of a similar nature to what John Boyett did.  Even in Boyetts case it was related to an arrest for public intoxication(law breaking) where he was using the Colts name to keep from being arrested like a fool.   With something like that I definitely say the family treatment doesn't apply.

 

I know Rainey was on thin ice when we bought him in due to his assault and battery incident with his girlfriend.  Maybe that may have something to do with it, but other than that I have no clue.

[krunk]

 

 

 

I think Grigs actually wanted to pick up Dri Archer but he wasn't able to get it done.  This guy reminds me somewhat of Archer in some ways.

[PrincetonTiger]

I think Grigs actually wanted to pick up Dri Archer but he wasn't able to get it done.  This guy reminds me somewhat of Archer in some ways.

If the kid is truly on the straight and narrow he could be a keeper

[krunk]

Turns out he was at Tennessee in 2009 before he had to go to Pikeville.  I didn't know that.

I wonder if Da'rick Rogers knows him?

 

 

[Shive]

Turns out he was at Tennessee in 2009 before he had to go to Pikeville.  I didn't know that.

I wonder if Da'rick Rogers knows him?

 

 

Da'Rick was a freshman in 2010 and Richardson was arrest November 09, so probably not.

[GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE]

There's a joke down here in Bama about why Tennessee wears orange. You can figure it out.

I hate that dam orange lol... Any orange in the sec for that matter

[crazycolt1]

Wonderful, still Dungy's Colts wouldn't have taken a shot at most of these guys period.  That's just an observation not so much a comment on if it was better or worse way to approach things.

Dungy's Colts? You mean the ones who were soft in the playoffs? Who knows, maybe a little nastiness and attitude would help the Colts. It seems to work for a few other teams in the league.

[B~Town]

Dungy's Colts? You mean the ones who were soft in the playoffs? Who knows, maybe a little nastiness and attitude would help the Colts. It seems to work for a few other teams in the league.

I to wouldn't mind some attitude and swagger

[lollygagger8]

Armed robbery....wow.  I have 0 expectations for him.  I'll be very impressed if he even makes it to the practice squad

 

He might rob you if he reads this. 

[1959Colts]

_{Nu'Keese Richardson Training for the 2014 NFL Season:}

 

[PrincetonTiger]

_{Nu'Keese Richardson Training for the 2014 NFL Season:}

 

Nice Video

[21isSuperman]

He might rob you if he reads this. 

[CR91]

people this is football not church. if he can help the team then why not

[Superman]

I am just wondering why we are all caught up on a PR/KR when we still have questions about our O Line. Don't get me wrong I am all for an explosive player. I agree with you Rainey he seemed like the guy. By all accounts even Pagano he had his burst back and was looking great in camp. I will be interested to hear what he did when it finally comes out. 

 

I give Richardson all the props in the world for making it off probation usually once the state gets you you are in the system for good. I worked in the system and for the most part Probation is set up for you to fail. At least that was my experience with it. The PO's think their job is to put people back in jail rather than really help them get their life straight. Most are burnt out and don't think people are capable of change. It is one of the main reason's I got out of the field.

 

That being said why bring in a convicted armed robber but not a knuckle head? Half the crap Incognitio has done Gronk gets a that crazy guy for. Who really knows what happened in Miami. It just seems strange to me. That's all.

 

The bolded is the epitome of "Why are you changing the oil? Don't you know you need a new tire?" One need doesn't nullify the other.

 

The team has brought in a lot of players on the offensive line, and is apparently content to let the guys we have battle it out and earn their jobs. It might be good to wait until after a preseason game, at least, before we determine that none of them deserve the confidence of the coaching staff and front office. Just an idea...

 

Also, specific to Incognito, he was a team leader, and his attitude and actions led to some pretty scandalous behavior. With great power comes great responsibility, right? His situation last year is a lot different than a knucklehead kid who did something stupid five years ago. Not better, not worse, but it is evaluated differently when you're thinking about the makeup of your roster and the chemistry of your locker room. I am not against the idea of adding Incognito (not actively rooting for it, though), but it's not really comparable.

 

Last thing, and this is just a technicality: Richardson wasn't convicted of anything. He pled to a lesser charge, and even the DA's office seemed convinced that what he did was just a prank. I think calling him a "convicted armed robber" is inaccurate, if not over-dramatic.

[PrincetonTiger]

The bolded is the epitome of "Why are you changing the oil? Don't you know you need a new tire?" One need doesn't nullify the other.

The team has brought in a lot of players on the offensive line, and is apparently content to let the guys we have battle it out and earn their jobs. It might be good to wait until after a preseason game, at least, before we determine that none of them deserve the confidence of the coaching staff and front office. Just an idea...

Also, specific to Incognito, he was a team leader, and his attitude and actions led to some pretty scandalous behavior. With great power comes great responsibility, right? His situation last year is a lot different than a knucklehead kid who did something stupid five years ago. Not better, not worse, but it is evaluated differently when you're thinking about the makeup of your roster and the chemistry of your locker room. I am not against the idea of adding Incognito (not actively rooting for it, though), but it's not really comparable.

Last thing, and this is just a technicality: Richardson wasn't convicted of anything. He pled to a lesser charge, and even the DA's office seemed convinced that what he did was just a prank. I think calling him a "convicted armed robber" is inaccurate, if not over-dramatic.

nicely put

[Smonroe]

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Last thing, and this is just a technicality: Richardson wasn't convicted of anything. He pled to a lesser charge, and even the DA's office seemed convinced that what he did was just a prank. I think calling him a "convicted armed robber" is inaccurate, if not over-dramatic.

 

Yes, it was a stupid prank.  They even used a fake gun. 

 

No matter, everyone deserves a second chance.  If he can help the team and is not a distraction, then I welcome him.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Well clearly he has talent & speed! It seems to me he is here for the punt return, maybe KR job. We will see. I personally am fine with Whalen returning punts, but there are some on here that wanted a REAL THREAT back there. You now have someone to root for.

[akcolt]

The bolded is the epitome of "Why are you changing the oil? Don't you know you need a new tire?" One need doesn't nullify the other.

 

The team has brought in a lot of players on the offensive line, and is apparently content to let the guys we have battle it out and earn their jobs. It might be good to wait until after a preseason game, at least, before we determine that none of them deserve the confidence of the coaching staff and front office. Just an idea...

 

Also, specific to Incognito, he was a team leader, and his attitude and actions led to some pretty scandalous behavior. With great power comes great responsibility, right? His situation last year is a lot different than a knucklehead kid who did something stupid five years ago. Not better, not worse, but it is evaluated differently when you're thinking about the makeup of your roster and the chemistry of your locker room. I am not against the idea of adding Incognito (not actively rooting for it, though), but it's not really comparable.

 

Last thing, and this is just a technicality: Richardson wasn't convicted of anything. He pled to a lesser charge, and even the DA's office seemed convinced that what he did was just a prank. I think calling him a "convicted armed robber" is inaccurate, if not over-dramatic.

I could careless about the armed robbery charges. I worked in the system and anyone that was able to complete 4/5 years of probation definitely has their act together. The system is set up to get you caught up in my opinion. When on probation you can be violated for things that are not even against the law for you and I. It is a mess again one of the reasons I changed professions.

 

Richardson was booted from the team, and eventually pleaded guilty to the charges, getting probation but avoiding jail time. This quote mentions nothing about lesser charges. It says he pleaded guilty to the charges. Again I could careless about his charges but according to this he is technically convicted of armed robbery. I would assume it was probably pleaded down to conspiracy to commit but there is no mention of it in the article so I am wondering where you are getting your information. In order to be put on probation you have to be convicted of something. They don't randomly put people on probation.  Link?

 

 I don't recall saying I didn't have confidence in the young guys playing. I said if that is who we are going with they need as much time together as possible to build continuity. I also said I would not be surprised to see Louis sneak in there Grigs seems to have been high on him. I went on to say the most important thing when it comes to O Line play is continuity in my opinion. If we are rolling with the young guys lets do it.. I have no problem with the best 3 guys playing regardless of experience. That is how it should be.

 

I simply pointed out that Incognitio was out there and fits the mold of guys we like with regards to his versatility. He is 2 yrs removed from the pro bowl. Can play all 3 interior line positions. Center included and has started in real NFL games at all those positions. I didn't follow the Miami thing closely have no insight on what went down. I am not sure anyone knows exactly but it was just 2012 Miami awarded him the Good Guy Award.  It seems like Incognitio was the guy thrown under the bus when a lot of other people were involved. Easy target due to his history of stupidity. If we are into giving second chance why not to a pro bowler?  The some of reason's you mentioned and the media circus are things I did not take into consideration. I think our looker room could handle the guy if not send him on his way. The media circus is much less appealing.

 

I am all for an upgrade in the return game. I did not say it was a bad thing we are looking so hard for an explosive KR I like it. The amount of WR's we have brought in was just an observation.  I was a big Rainey supporter for that very reason. He is explosive. With Adam and Pat if we added a return specialist that had game breaking ability we would have one of the better units in the league. Special team are an important phase of the game and a lot of times can be the difference between winning a losing. It would be nice to have a homerun threat not named Hilton back there.

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/05/16/patriots-giving-keese-richardson-second-chance/dknkR8ZNrCvYXEtufi7bFI/story.html

[akcolt]

If the kid is truly on the straight and narrow he could be a keeper

Lots of comparison's to Percy Harvin from what I have been reading on him.

[Buck Showalter]

All for a designated KR/PR guy, but I still hope Griff makes the final 53....

[Superman]

I could careless about the armed robbery charges. I worked in the system and anyone that was able to complete 4/5 years of probation definitely has their act together. The system is set up to get you caught up in my opinion. When on probation you can be violated for things that are not even against the law for you and I. It is a mess again one of the reasons I changed professions.

 

Richardson was booted from the team, and eventually pleaded guilty to the charges, getting probation but avoiding jail time. This quote mentions nothing about lesser charges. It says he pleaded guilty to the charges. Again I could careless about his charges but according to this he is technically convicted of armed robbery. I would assume it was probably pleaded down to conspiracy to commit but there is no mention of it in the article so I am wondering where you are getting your information. In order to be put on probation you have to be convicted of something. They don't randomly put people on probation.  Link?

 

 I don't recall saying I didn't have confidence in the young guys playing. I said if that is who we are going with they need as much time together as possible to build continuity. I also said I would not be surprised to see Louis sneak in there Grigs seems to have been high on him. I went on to say the most important thing when it comes to O Line play is continuity in my opinion. If we are rolling with the young guys lets do it.. I have no problem with the best 3 guys playing regardless of experience. That is how it should be.

 

I simply pointed out that Incognitio was out there and fits the mold of guys we like with regards to his versatility. He is 2 yrs removed from the pro bowl. Can play all 3 interior line positions. Center included and has started in real NFL games at all those positions. I didn't follow the Miami thing closely have no insight on what went down. I am not sure anyone knows exactly but it was just 2012 Miami awarded him the Good Guy Award.  It seems like Incognitio was the guy thrown under the bus when a lot of other people were involved. Easy target due to his history of stupidity. If we are into giving second chance why not to a pro bowler?  The some of reason's you mentioned and the media circus are things I did not take into consideration. I think our looker room could handle the guy if not send him on his way. The media circus is much less appealing.

 

I am all for an upgrade in the return game. I did not say it was a bad thing we are looking so hard for an explosive KR I like it. The amount of WR's we have brought in was just an observation.  I was a big Rainey supporter for that very reason. He is explosive. With Adam and Pat if we added a return specialist that had game breaking ability we would have one of the better units in the league. Special team are an important phase of the game and a lot of times can be the difference between winning a losing. It would be nice to have a homerun threat not named Hilton back there.

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/05/16/patriots-giving-keese-richardson-second-chance/dknkR8ZNrCvYXEtufi7bFI/story.html

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4816229

 

According to that link, he was originally charged with three counts of attempted armed robbery. He pleaded (not pled... my bad) guilty to one charge, the other two were dropped, and he got three years unsupervised probation + diversion. I thought it was a reduced charge, but it was still a plea deal. Technically, not a conviction. But whatever. Like you said, his past isn't that big of a deal, I don't think. He's the 90th man on the roster right now.

 

As for Incognito, is your point that you feel he's being unfairly blacklisted, or is your point that you think the Colts should sign him? I'm not entirely sure what your driving at. I don't think he needs anyone's sympathy; I get the feeling he'll be on a roster at some point this season.

 

My point was just that I don't think the team is as concerned with the offensive line as the fan base is. They added some guys, they have some young drafted guys that they want to roll with, and we'll see how it turns out. Save for another injury, I think we have a good idea who the top 7-8 guys are. Maybe they'll look at a veteran guy if the youngsters struggle in the preseason, for now, it seems pretty obvious that they are happy with where the guys are. At worst, there's some nervousness. But they seem to really believe in the potential of the young linemen. That much was clear when they didn't bring in a veteran during free agency.

 

And with your comment about "why bring in a returner when we still have line issues?" it just struck a weird tone. A) It's very much undecided whether we have line issues or not (we'll know a lot more in four days); and B) one need doesn't have anything to do with another. We have a 90 man roster right now. The team is going to juggle players at multiple positions. Adding a bottom rung guy doesn't say anything about the staff's opinion of any position on this roster, IMO. If they add a veteran like Incognito (or even Mike Adams), it's probably saying something. Adding Nu'Keese Richardson? Just some minor juggling. 

[Poster X]

Armed robbery....wow.  I have 0 expectations for him.  I'll be very impressed if he even makes it to the practice squad

Armed with a pellet gun.