Johnny Manziel dares Texans to draft him

[chad72]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000325869/article/johnny-manziel-wants-to-play-for-home-state-Texans

 

Interesting read. While I think he is brimming with confidence, he needs to tone it back a little bit. I can definitely see him making most teams a playoff contender, winning a SB needs so many things to go right.

 

The team that is quickest to get run support and a D will benefit Manziel the most. He does hold the ball a bit too long, that is a no no in the NFL for consistent winning.

 

Peyton said the same thing but one-on-one to the coach in private not like Manziel to the media.

 

Discuss, this ought to be interesting.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

When will other teams besides the Seahawks, and niners realize that you need to draft a defense, then offense before you draft a QB.

[BOTT]

When will other teams besides the Seahawks, and niners realize that you need to draft a defense, then offense before you draft a QB.

If they would have been in position to draft a franchise QB the last few years they would have taken one

[kjyb]

hes the next rg3...besides he buliding the same hype as rg3 did 

[Bluefire4]

He seems to think if the Texans don't take him, the Jags will.

[krunk]

I think drafting this guy as a first rounder is CRAZY! Dude is pretty raw at a number of things, I think he shouldn't be drafted any higher than where Russell Wilson went. 

[Hoosiernsavga]

Manziel is not worth a first round pick well less a #1. He will be a good back up QB in the NFL. I do like his confidence but his overly cocky personality will be short lived.

[BrentMc11]

hes the next rg3...besides he buliding the same hype as rg3 did 

I know there are a lot of folks know my feelings about Manzier.  OOOPs.!  I want to hit him repeatedly, so I am fine with the Texans drafting him.

 

Kjyb, I feel he has created a lot of his own hype with the good and the bad.  He is still so immature....is he the next head case...Brad Leaf?  There is an I in Manziel.  TEAM?  I liked RG3 coming out....not so much here.

[Hoosiernsavga]

hes the next rg3...besides he buliding the same hype as rg3 did 

 

 

Manziel doesnt have half the talent or physical attibutes as RG3. I would rather have an injured RG3 than Manziel.

[jshipp23]

The extreme hate and jealousy of Manziel boggles my mind and really makes me question the football acumen on this site

I personally don't want the Texans to draft him because it's bad for us..I hope he goes to Cleveland and saves that franchise they deserve it..Barring going to Oakland I know he will be hugely successful in the NFL and shut all the jealous haters up as he always has...He has a skill set never seen before in the Leaugue and RG111 couldn't carry his jockstrap so enough of that..

[BrentMc11]

The extreme hate and jealousy of Manziel boggles my mind and really makes me question the football acumen on this site

I personally don't want the Texans to draft him because it's bad for us..I hope he goes to Cleveland and saves that franchise they deserve it..Barring going to Oakland I know he will be hugely successful in the NFL and shut all the jealous haters up as he always has...He has a skill set never seen before in the Leaugue and RG111 couldn't carry his jockstrap so enough of that..

I know mine sounds like hate....I hate nobody....just do not like his antics.  Honestly I do not care where he goes....I just want to hit him

[jshipp23]

What antics? He is a 20 year old kid who made history and has everyone telling him how great he is and women throwing themselves at him..He is a hard worker who carried that team this year with little help and insane pressure and handled it well if you ask me..The media never mentions how he visits sick kids in the hospital weekly and refuses to b coveted doing it...Not like he's been in serious legal trouble or drugs or anything..So what he drinks and goes to parties in college like 95% of college students do? What a bad guy..smh..I admire the guts he plays with sacrificing his body and risking his career to win games he plays for free..

[IndyScribe]

Did anyone hear his Super Bowl comment? He said that he wanted to be the first rookie to win a SB and win one every year. He has one of the biggest egos I've ever seen. Also, if the Texans go Clowney, Watt and Clowney will be going after Manziel. Yes, he's good, but not #1 pick good. This guy screams bust to me.

[21isSuperman]

To me, Manziel's style is a bit unorthodox, but all he does is make plays.  There may be some tendencies that coaches won't like, but the guy makes plays.  It reminds me of Tyrann Mathieu.  People kept saying he has maturity issues and stuff, but the guy simply makes plays on the field.  I think he can be one of the more exciting QBs in the league in a few years

[21isSuperman]

In terms of his confidence, isn't it similar to what Peyton did?  He told Mora and Polian that if they don't draft him, he will kick their butt for the next 15 years.  You could say the same thing: "Who does this Peyton guy think he is?  Mora and Polian have been in the NFL for years and he's just a rookie."

 

And I don't see the problem with him saying he wants to win the Super Bowl as a rookie.  The reason they play the game is to win a championship.  I would rather draft a guy who wants to win every opportunity he has than a guy who is happy to sit back and let winning take time to come to him

[IndyScribe]

In terms of his confidence, isn't it similar to what Peyton did?  He told Mora and Polian that if they don't draft him, he will kick their butt for the next 15 years.  You could say the same thing: "Who does this Peyton guy think he is?  Mora and Polian have been in the NFL for years and he's just a rookie."

 

And I don't see the problem with him saying he wants to win the Super Bowl as a rookie.  The reason they play the game is to win a championship.  I would rather draft a guy who wants to win every opportunity he has than a guy who is happy to sit back and let winning take time to come to him

Yeah, but Peyton did that one to one with Mora, unlike Manziel. And Peyton could prove it.

[BOTT]

Like his skill set, but not enough puddin' on that kid. He will take a beating.

[jshipp23]

I like his confidence and he backs it up with his play..He works harder than anyone too, the guy earns it and is nothing like thw entitled soft Bob Griffin ..1 of the TOUGHEST grittiest players I've ever watched..

[21isSuperman]

Yeah, but Peyton did that one to one with Mora, unlike Manziel. And Peyton could prove it.

Every prospect wants to go #1.  I've seen interviews with Cam, Luck, and RG3 and they all say they would want to go #1.  I don't think there's anything wrong with him saying that.

[BrentMc11]

What antics? He is a 20 year old kid who made history and has everyone telling him how great he is and women throwing themselves at him..He is a hard worker who carried that team this year with little help and insane pressure and handled it well if you ask me..The media never mentions how he visits sick kids in the hospital weekly and refuses to b coveted doing it...Not like he's been in serious legal trouble or drugs or anything..So what he drinks and goes to parties in college like 95% of college students do? What a bad guy..smh..I admire the guts he plays with sacrificing his body and risking his career to win games he plays for free..

His antics...playing no show Jones at camps....too immature for me to take number one...Simple as that.

[BrentMc11]

I like his confidence and he backs it up with his play..He works harder than anyone too, the guy earns it and is nothing like thw entitled soft Bob Griffin ..1 of the TOUGHEST grittiest players I've ever watched..

Griffin was simply a leader and uncannily good at Baylor...He WAS the leader.  That is why he was going 1 or 2.

 

I will not be upset as I said if the Texans pick him...I want to see us hit him hard!

[pacolts56]

What antics? He is a 20 year old kid who made history and has everyone telling him how great he is and women throwing themselves at him..He is a hard worker who carried that team this year with little help and insane pressure and handled it well if you ask me..The media never mentions how he visits sick kids in the hospital weekly and refuses to b coveted doing it...Not like he's been in serious legal trouble or drugs or anything..So what he drinks and goes to parties in college like 95% of college students do? What a bad guy..smh..I admire the guts he plays with sacrificing his body and risking his career to win games he plays for free..

Which, you have to admit, is exactly why he faces a strong likelihood of being maimed at the NFL level. That's not a wish but the way he plays the game, he just does.

 

Heck....RGIII's initial knee shot didn't come from some 200lb. safety who turns a 4.45 40...it came from 360lb. Haloti Ngata....down field. I think Manziel is in for a beating considering where he may be drafted and I think his comments are as much a plea to Houston....who we know has a nucleus of solid players....as anything.

 

My sickening gut feeling is that Houston will take Jadaveon Clowney....(dang it!)....and then a smart St. Louis front office will hoodwink someone into trading up to the #2 spot so they can select Manziel.

 

Wherever Manziel lands it just helps the Colts stay under the radar....which is good.

 

Whatever happens the media will be there en masse, and it won't be boring since some fans love Manziel's game and his brash confidence....while others see him as an arrogant, 12th-generation Appalachian inbred who thinks he's God's gift to football.

[jshipp23]

CLOWNEY will be the "bust" and if Houston selects him instead of Manziel it will set them back for years...This is my prediction: If Manziel goes to Houston or Cleveland he will break Rookie records for yards and touchdowns, and will be in Playoffs and Pro Bowl...Cleveland needs to draft a receiver high as well to go aling with Gordon and pick up a legit RB...I hope he goes to Cleveland and becomes a saviour ..I lived there 6 years and have never seen such a loyal fanbase in my life..The bandwagon Colts fans we have here could learn something from them...

[crazycolt1]

The extreme hate and jealousy of Manziel boggles my mind and really makes me question the football acumen on this site

I personally don't want the Texans to draft him because it's bad for us..I hope he goes to Cleveland and saves that franchise they deserve it..Barring going to Oakland I know he will be hugely successful in the NFL and shut all the jealous haters up as he always has...He has a skill set never seen before in the Leaugue and RG111 couldn't carry his jockstrap so enough of that..

Are you serious? A skill set never seen before??  Please stop the madness.

[krunk]

CLOWNEY will be the "bust" and if Houston selects him instead of Manziel it will set them back for years...This is my prediction: If Manziel goes to Houston or Cleveland he will break Rookie records for yards and touchdowns, and will be in Playoffs and Pro Bowl...Cleveland needs to draft a receiver high as well to go aling with Gordon and pick up a legit RB...I hope he goes to Cleveland and becomes a saviour ..I lived there 6 years and have never seen such a loyal fanbase in my life..The bandwagon Colts fans we have here could learn something from them...

 

I like Manziels potential and I like his swagger, but I don't see the evidence that suggests he should be the number one overall pick.  I'm not even of the opinion that he should go in the first round.  He's got quite a bit of learning to do as a pocket quarterback.  I don't get what aspect of his game makes you feel like he's something we've never seen in the NFL.  We've seen many quarterbacks in the NFL that take off running every time there is pressure applied on the pocket.  He's still evolving as a passer and so is his decision making. I say he's a third to 4th round prospect, but of course that's my opinion.

[Beauregarde]

When will other teams besides the Seahawks, and niners realize that you need to draft a defense, then offense before you draft a QB.

When will the Colts realize that?

[IndyScribe]

Every prospect wants to go #1.  I've seen interviews with Cam, Luck, and RG3 and they all say they would want to go #1.  I don't think there's anything wrong with him saying that.

I agree, but none of them have an ego as big as Manziel(except maybe RG3.) Difference between him and Manning saying it is that Peyton said it to Mora. Manziel said it to the entire media. And Manning could back it up. I think Manziel is a good QB, but definitely not #1 good. None of these QBs are a sure #1 pick.

 

I like Manziels potential and I like his swagger, but I don't see the evidence that suggests he should be the number one overall pick.  I'm not even of the opinion that he should go in the first round.  He's got quite a bit of learning to do as a pocket quarterback.  I don't get what aspect of his game makes you feel like he's something we've never seen in the NFL.  We've seen many quarterbacks in the NFL that take off running every time there is pressure applied on the pocket.  He's still evolving as a passer and so is his decision making. I say he's a third to 4th round prospect, but of course that's my opinion.

Some team is going to overdraft him, considering how many teams there with QB needs.

 

CLOWNEY will be the "bust" and if Houston selects him instead of Manziel it will set them back for years...This is my prediction: If Manziel goes to Houston or Cleveland he will break Rookie records for yards and touchdowns, and will be in Playoffs and Pro Bowl...Cleveland needs to draft a receiver high as well to go aling with Gordon and pick up a legit RB...I hope he goes to Cleveland and becomes a saviour ..I lived there 6 years and have never seen such a loyal fanbase in my life..The bandwagon Colts fans we have here could learn something from them...

Um, bandwagon fans? Since when? 

[Beauregarde]

I like Manziels potential and I like his swagger, but I don't see the evidence that suggests he should be the number one overall pick.  I'm not even of the opinion that he should go in the first round.  He's got quite a bit of learning to do as a pocket quarterback.  I don't get what aspect of his game makes you feel like he's something we've never seen in the NFL.  We've seen many quarterbacks in the NFL that take off running every time there is pressure applied on the pocket.  He's still evolving as a passer and so is his decision making. I say he's a third to 4th round prospect, but of course that's my opinion.

I don't think I have seen any mock draft where is not in the top five picks. I think the kid is special and he will be a winner.

[krunk]

CLOWNEY will be the "bust" and if Houston selects him instead of Manziel it will set them back for years...This is my prediction: If Manziel goes to Houston or Cleveland he will break Rookie records for yards and touchdowns, and will be in Playoffs and Pro Bowl...Cleveland needs to draft a receiver high as well to go aling with Gordon and pick up a legit RB...I hope he goes to Cleveland and becomes a saviour ..I lived there 6 years and have never seen such a loyal fanbase in my life..The bandwagon Colts fans we have here could learn something from them...

 

There's nothing in Clowneys game that says he will be a bust.  His biggest question mark in my eye is his toughness which I am not sure is perception or reality. Maturity wise as a young player even he has some growing to do also. Clowney has too much speed  and power off the edge to not be an impact player in his first year.  My other question is how soon he would make the transition in Houstons 3-4.  Other than that I don't know what you see to label him a bust before he even hits the field.

[BOTT]

CLOWNEY will be the "bust" and if Houston selects him instead of Manziel it will set them back for years...This is my prediction: If Manziel goes to Houston or Cleveland he will break Rookie records for yards and touchdowns, and will be in Playoffs and Pro Bowl...Cleveland needs to draft a receiver high as well to go aling with Gordon and pick up a legit RB...I hope he goes to Cleveland and becomes a saviour ..I lived there 6 years and have never seen such a loyal fanbase in my life..The bandwagon Colts fans we have here could learn something from them...

Cleveland can pick up a #2 receiver in the 3rd or later

[jshipp23]

It's not necessarily the running it's the awareness and running to throw and escapability..Always is looking upfield similar to Wilson except he is much more accurate and better in the pocket than Wilson and his arm isnt a rocket but it's not bad at all...He is very intelligent and has a the work ethic as well...He will shut the doubters up this year just my opinion, but I'm sick of people trying to tear him down..As far as injury concerns he took some big shots and never missed a game..He has proven to be durable against the toughest competition in big time games..

[Dustin]

If Houston really wanted Manziel they could probably trade back to #3 with Jacksonville and collect at least another 2nd rounder.

[crazycolt1]

When will the Colts realize that?

Do you think it takes more than one draft to build a strong defense? Grigs first year he was dealing with a cap nighrmare. Last season he went with what he thought were the best players avalible after signing heavy in free agents. The down side is after getting strong defensive players and keeping them around gets to expensive for long term. Even in Seattle they are already talking the future with cap problems and who they will be able to afford to keep after their QB will need to be paid. Colts face the same thing when Lucks contract comes up. It takes a couple of years for a defense to jell with middle round picks and when that time comes their rookie contracts are up and then it's off to the highest bidder. We dont have to look very far when taking a look at Pittsburgh, New England and Baltimore as an example as the changes when high dollar defensive players cant be signed or resigned.

[crazycolt1]

It's not necessarily the running it's the awareness and running to throw and escapability..Always is looking upfield similar to Wilson except he is much more accurate and better in the pocket than Wilson and his arm isnt a rocket but it's not bad at all...He is very intelligent and has a the work ethic as well...He will shut the doubters up this year just my opinion, but I'm sick of people trying to tear him down..As far as injury concerns he took some big shots and never missed a game..He has proven to be durable against the toughest competition in big time games..

Maybe some of us might be sick of hearing about the next coming of the greatest QB in history as you say? +

[krunk]

I don't think I have seen any mock draft where is not in the top five picks. I think the kid is special and he will be a winner.

 

 

You're talking about mocks and I am talking about what I see on film and games that I've watched.  It's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day.  I like him but I think they have got him up there too high.  Once he hits the league I'll cheer for him, but as far as draft placement I think he's ranked too high.  I think his talent needs a bit more molding to be drafted number 1 overall.

[Beauregarde]

Do you think it takes more than one draft to build a strong defense? Grigs first year he was dealing with a cap nighrmare. Last season he went with what he thought were the best players avalible after signing heavy in free agents. The down side is after getting strong defensive players and keeping them around gets to expensive for long term. Even in Seattle they are already talking the future with cap problems and who they will be able to afford to keep after their QB will need to be paid. Colts face the same thing when Lucks contract comes up. It takes a couple of years for a defense to jell with middle round picks and when that time comes their rookie contracts are up and then it's off to the highest bidder. We dont have to look very far when taking a look at Pittsburgh, New England and Baltimore as an example as the changes when high dollar defensive players cant be signed or resigned.

Apparently you didn't understand the question. It is because of what you say that it is just foolhardy to draft a franchise QB when you don't have a good defense and a good offensive line to protect him. When you do it the way the Colts did by drafting Luck with no defense and no offensive line on hand, you are probably not going to build a Super Bowl contender in this day and age. The reason is that when you get that defense and line where you want them, Luck's looming big contract makes it necessary to let some of the very best go. When you do it like San Francisco and Seattle, you have the great defense and the line when you get your franchise QB on a rookie QB. This give you several years of excellence before your QB gets the big bucks and you have to adjust. This is they way Seattle won the Super Bowl, the 49ers got there last year and they way Baltimore won it while all of these QBs were on their rookie contracts. It is the new blueprint for getting to and winning a Super Bowl. Baltimore dropped off the map when they had to pay their QB elite money.

[Naptown Lifer]

I don't know if Manziel

His antics...playing no show Jones at camps....too immature for me to take number one...Simple as that.

First of all I really respect your posts I can tell you have a very high football iq and know you're stuff

I think his antics are a little overblown. Majority of people have a drink I before they are 21 I don't think Manziel was guilty of anything word than that and maybe some weed or something. And being hungover at Peyton manning camp and having Archie ask him to leave lol

I think he will grow out of it like most people do, and it won't be about his antics but whether he can play in the nfl. People in the nfl have done much worse and still play.

For those saying he is being cocky in this, if you want a rookie quarterback who doesn't want to win the Super Bowl every year then more power to you.

I think I want the guy that wants to win it all every year, but I like to win. I hope the kid does great and proves the haters wrong( as long as he's not in division ha)

[Naptown Lifer]

Apparently you didn't understand the question. It is because of what you say that it is just foolhardy to draft a franchise QB when you don't have a good defense and a good offensive line to protect him. When you do it the way the Colts did by drafting Luck with no defense and no offensive line on hand, you are probably not going to build a Super Bowl contender in this day and age. The reason is that when you get that defense and line where you want them, Luck's looming big contract makes it necessary to let some of the very best go. When you do it like San Francisco and Seattle, you have the great defense and the line when you get your franchise QB on a rookie QB. This give you several years of excellence before your QB gets the big bucks and you have to adjust. This is they way Seattle won the Super Bowl, the 49ers got there last year and they way Baltimore won it while all of these QBs were on their rookie contracts. It is the new blueprint for getting to and winning a Super Bowl. Baltimore dropped off the map when they had to pay their QB elite money.

So the colts should've passed on luck and taken kuechly by that logic? Good luck finding someone who shares that opinion.

[Beauregarde]

So the colts should've passed on luck and taken kuechly by that logic? Good luck finding someone who shares that opinion.

Everyone is free to think whatever they like but the new conditions of contest with the latest bargaining agreement are making that a logical move. Take the franchise QB when everything else is in place. That is what the teams getting to the SB and winning it are doing. I think more teams will go that route. There is always another franchise QB to select.

[HtownColt]

Have no problem with with it, he pretty much said the same thing when he was asked if the Browns would select him.

“If something happens, and it’s the Cleveland Browns, I’m going to pour my heart out for the Dawg Pound and try to win a Super Bowl for Cleveland,” he says. “I don’t care if they’ve had 20 starting quarterbacks since 1999. I’m going to be the 21st and the guy that brought them the Super Bowl.”

You're QB is supposed to be the most confident on the team, they guy just wants a Super Bowl title no matter the team, when did that become a problem