GoColts8818 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I know it's pre-season but the starting defense has now played two games on defense and yet to give up a touchdown. The defense still has some moments that make you shake your head and some bend don't break but all and all I think our defense is looking better as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Our D has character. Manusky has quietly shown he can coach a D to achieve solid outings when needed. Now that Grigson brought in more talent, you can see them play with a short memory after giving up a bad play, enough experience with Landry, Bethea, Redding etc. and a good combination of youth too. Our D gave up a lot of points last year in games but in games we won, when we had to tighten up, we were middle of league in 3rd down D and were a big reason why we got the stops we needed to let Andrew Luck do his 2 minute thing in close games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TeamLoloJones Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I know it's pre-season but the starting defense has now played two games on defense and yet to give up a touchdown. The defense still has some moments that make you shake your head and some bend don't break but all and all I think our defense is looking better as a whole. That's without Freeman and Werner for one game, and Landry and Angerer for two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCollarColts Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think Greg Toler will be a very good player over here and I expect him to have a very good year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllYouNeedIsLuck Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think Greg Toler will be a very good player over here and I expect him to have a very good yearThis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haseo15 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'm excited to see More of Werner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think Greg Toler will be a very good player over here and I expect him to have a very good year I thought Toler was soft in coverage today. He made a great play on the interception, but I saw him lose his man several times, and his tackling wasn't great either. Could say the same for the rest of the corners, too, aside from Vontae Davis. I don't remember him giving up anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlu8792 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 So far, from my observation, it looks like its taking them a series or two to get settled in. After that they seem to get things clicking and all are on the same page for the most part. I'm REALLY liking the secondary. Toler was very impressive to me tonight. If this secondary can stay healthy I think they are going to be very hard to throw on. I know everyone is kind of disappointed or indifferent with the pass rush right now, but I believe they will be among one of the top blitzing teams in the league again. Why not? Rex Ryan was able to mask his pass rushing deficiencies a couple of years ago by being more aggressive with his front-7 because he knew his secondary could hold up. I think ours could do the same. With this secondary I think 5-6 guys going after the QB should be a given and I believe Pagano is going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at these offenses. I still firmly believe that by the start of the 2nd quarter of the season, this defense is going to be one the tougher defenses to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I thought Toler was soft in coverage today. He made a great play on the interception, but I saw him lose his man several times, and his tackling wasn't great either. Could say the same for the rest of the corners, too, aside from Vontae Davis. I don't remember him giving up anything.How does Toler usually play versus how he is supposed to play in this D. Does he usually give them padding and he is supposed to play tight man like V. Davis on the other side? Never watched him play when he was in Arizona so idk what he normally looks like. Or is Davis the lockdown side so the free safety and play over on Tolers side cause Toler is supposed to play zone-ish/ soft. Cause i understand the soft stuff so he can jump routes, watching the QB more than focusing on the WR. It is much like what C. Vaughn did last year. He played back and jump routes cause he knew Bethea was back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxColtNYC Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I would take a whole game with no TDs allowed any day. Usually if defense holds opponents to just field goals, you usually win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 I would take a whole game with no TDs allowed any day. Usually if defense holds opponents to just field goals, you usually win the game.Unless you are the Ravens defense in the 2006 playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlu8792 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I thought Toler was soft in coverage today. He made a great play on the interception, but I saw him lose his man several times, and his tackling wasn't great either. Could say the same for the rest of the corners, too, aside from Vontae Davis. I don't remember him giving up anything. I think Toler is playing soft to get the QB to target him. He plays risky, but I think he's doing that on his own. Sure, I have no doubts he's going to get burnt, but I'd much rather a player put himself in position to make plays rather than play way off the receiver and let the receiver dink and dunk him to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I know it's pre-season but the starting defense has now played two games on defense and yet to give up a touchdown. The defense still has some moments that make you shake your head and some bend don't break but all and all I think our defense is looking better as a whole. Buffalo scored on the first string 'D' ....I worry about the pass rush and the D-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Buffalo scored on the first string 'D'....I worry about the pass rush and the D-linethe kcked a field goals and returned a kickoff the TD at the end of the half came on back ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffensivelyPC Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think Toler is playing soft to get the QB to target him. He plays risky, but I think he's doing that on his own. Sure, I have no doubts he's going to get burnt, but I'd much rather a player put himself in position to make plays rather than play way off the receiver and let the receiver dink and dunk him to death.Well, it could be the particular coverage called for by the defense. Maybe Pagano and crew think he's better playing soft man while Davis is better at press man. I think it's difficult to know, but I'd be willing to bet that Toler isn't doing his own thing. That gets you benched pretty quickly, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smonroe Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I know it's pre-season but the starting defense has now played two games on defense and yet to give up a touchdown. The defense still has some moments that make you shake your head and some bend don't break but all and all I think our defense is looking better as a whole. I always like to point out that no matter how bad our D looked against the run last year, especially in the KC game, the D only gave up one TD a game for the last 4 games. Like others have pointed out, that's without the upgrades. On paper we should be better, but if we even maintain last year's ending performance, we should be pretty darn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I guess I haven't been overly impressed by our run defense or (other than Drake Nevis) our pass rush. But its pre-season and its all an illusion.....neither team is REALLY trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgt_rob Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I thought this was going to be about Chandler. lol. I'm optimistic about the defense this year, especially without seeing some of our starters as of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allensb Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 So far Vontae Davis looks like the best player on D. Teams are starting to not throw his way out fear of his play-making ability. I think he has the talent to make the pro-bowl this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I thought Toler was soft in coverage today. He made a great play on the interception, but I saw him lose his man several times, and his tackling wasn't great either.Could say the same for the rest of the corners, too, aside from Vontae Davis. I don't remember him giving up anything.You almost have me thinking you had Toler and Davis switched up. Davis completely missed on 2 tackles and didn't really defend any passes( was passed on a few times ). I noticed his guy was over thrown on 1 play and Davis took credit for it, that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisfarley Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 We need Revis or a champ bailey when he was 24, man we need something at the corner and we dont have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltsfanatic24 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Defense has played well and Nevis is looking like Suh out there, much faster and stronger then last year. I know Redding is a vocal leader but we have to find a way for Nevis to get on the field, he's by far our best interior pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 You almost have me thinking you had Toler and Davis switched up. Davis completely missed on 2 tackles and didn't really defend any passes( was passed on a few times ). I noticed his guy was over thrown on 1 play and Davis took credit for it, that's about it. I was focusing on the defensive front. But yeah, maybe I'm confused. I'll spend some time watching the secondary at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1959Colts Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Although he's not a starter...Have to like Marshay Green on those CB blitzes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I was focusing on the defensive front. But yeah, maybe I'm confused. I'll spend some time watching the secondary at some point.To be honest, he looked like he wasn't even trying, maybe trying not to get hurt. He's better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericdcoltsfan Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This defense will be a major improvement over last year and the front 7 are going to keep getting better against the run. Our secondary could be the best we have in some time but a lot of that relies on the front 7 getting pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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