Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

krunk

Eagles Release Jason Babin

97 posts in this topic

I think he could give us much needed pass rushing depth in our rotation to go along with Freeney, Mathis, Hughes, Redding. Somehow he'll wind up with the Patriots I bet though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think he could give us much needed pass rushing depth in our rotation to go along with Freeney, Mathis, Hughes, Redding. Somehow he'll wind up with the Patriots I bet though.

Not if we put in a claim on him. We're ahead of the Patriots in waiver priority.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not if we put in a claim on him. We're ahead of the Patriots in waiver priority.

That would be good, but I have a feeling Grigs is going to pass on this one for some reason. My gut is telling me Babin just needs a change of environment. We do need some help getting to the q.b.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He is only good in the Wide 9 and is a locker room cancer according to most of those "experts" who have inside knowledge. There is a reason the Eagles just cut him and have little reason too, because they still will have to pay him if no one claims him .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He is only good in the Wide 9 and is a locker room cancer according to most of those "experts" who have inside knowledge. There is a reason the Eagles just cut him and have little reason too, because they still will have to pay him if no one claims him .

The only place I've seen him called a cancer is on message boards like this one.

He's played and been productive in several different schemes, with several different coordinators and sets of teammates.

The Eagles won't owe him anything else after this release, whether he's claimed or not.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The only place I've seen him called a cancer is on message boards like this one.

He's played and been productive in several different schemes, with several different coordinators and sets of teammates.

The Eagles won't owe him anything else after this release, whether he's claimed or not.

Eagles will owe remaining balance of $5.6M salary, $1.64M, if he is not claimed on waivers.

Jason Babin was a nobody before he met Washburn, who followed him to Philly. So he never was in a different scheme when he was having success. It was always the wide 9.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The only place I've seen him called a cancer is on message boards like this one.

He's played and been productive in several different schemes, with several different coordinators and sets of teammates.

The Eagles won't owe him anything else after this release, whether he's claimed or not.

I'd like it twice if I could.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not really that knowledgeable about this stuff, but why wouldn't we just play a base 4-3 and move Freeney and Mathis back to their natural position at this point. It's not like losing a yard or so on average in run D would be the make or break for this D right now. The linebacker core is the only place left that there's depth, they'd adjust. Angry would get more snaps, and he can tackle. I'm waiting for 10 responses about how wrong I am. I can handle it! :thmup:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Eagles will owe remaining balance of $5.6M salary, $1.64M, if he is not claimed on waivers.

I misunderstood your point earlier. I thought you were saying they'd have cap obligations in future years. My mistake. Either way, I don't think they're hopping up and down over the potential of saving $1.64m on the cap over the next five weeks. They don't have plans on using that money elsewhere.

The monetary considerations with respect to Babin's contract are completely related to 2013 and 2014. The Eagles currently have close to $140m committed to the cap in 2013. The salary cap is expected to stay somewhat flat; I think it will come in at less than $125m, and that's probably being ambitious. The Eagles releasing Babin is just them getting a head start on shedding payroll for next season. So the idea of potential savings against the cap for the remainder of 2012 probably wasn't very high on their list in making this decision.

Jason Babin was a nobody before he met Washburn, who followed him to Philly. So he never was in a different scheme when he was having success. It was always the wide 9.

Define "nobody."

He was a productive player for the Texans, where he was both a pass rushing OLB and a 4-3 end. Not a Pro Bowler, not a defensive leader, but a productive player. As a rotational pass rusher, he had 124 tackles, 13 sacks and two forced fumbles in 43 games through his first three seasons. He took off when he got with Washburn in Tennessee, but that's not the first time he contributed.

Besides that, we play Freeney and Mathis in plenty of wide nine alignments over the past few weeks.

I'm not campaigning for Babin. I just don't think the resistance to adding him is logical. He's a talented player who would come with little cost and less risk, and we need all the talent we can get.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

13 sacks in 43 games is not that good. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in, but it would have to be next to nothing. He brings nothing to the table unless we use him in pass rushing only situations. We also have no clue how he will fit into the 3-4 D.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In retrospect, if they are releasing. Big contract players like babin before the off-season, this could show how bad the salary room in philly is, i wont be suprised if there are more big releases like their O-line or even someone like asomugha

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That would be good, but I have a feeling Grigs is going to pass on this one for some reason. My gut is telling me Babin just needs a change of environment. We do need some help getting to the q.b.

No one gets his free pass out by quitting on his teammates and not suffer repercussions from the guys on other teams. How long before he decides to quit on you too? All these ex Eagles coming out and railing on him now. I knew there was a steaming pile under the underbrush.

I hope Grigson stays away... far away.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Over the last 3 seasons 2 players have more sacks than Babin. Jared Allen and Demarcus Ware.

He's cheap and has talent. I'm with Supe on this one. I'm not going to start a rally to bring him here. But he could help this team, and his signing wouldn't hurt us in the slightest.

He could even be a stop gap for the Dwight-less years ahead, preventing us from having to use a pick on a DE, OLB.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Over the last 3 seasons 2 players have more sacks than Babin. Jared Allen and Demarcus Ware.

He's cheap and has talent. I'm with Supe on this one. I'm not going to start a rally to bring him here. But he could help this team, and his signing wouldn't hurt us in the slightest.

He could even be a stop gap for the Dwight-less years ahead, preventing us from having to use a pick on a DE, OLB.

Simply put, he'd be value added to our D. As far as that locker room stuff, I think ours can handle it. He was on Sirius yesterday and would not say a bad word about anyone. He also said he expects his contract to be reworked next year by whoever picks him up.

I doubt we'll get him, but I don't see a downside if we did.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

he is a 4-3 guy not a 3-4. dont want him he sucks in space and is bad vs the run

Agreed. He is exclusively a 4-3 player, so he doesn't fit our system.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Agreed. He is exclusively a 4-3 player, so he doesn't fit our system.

We're in a 4-3, or at least a hybrid version, more than we're in a 3-4. A great pass rusher fits any system.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If he is indeed a quiter then I think he fits in perfectly w/ the Jets. They seem to have several quiters on that team.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No one gets his free pass out by quitting on his teammates and not suffer repercussions from the guys on other teams. How long before he decides to quit on you too? All these ex Eagles coming out and railing on him now. I knew there was a steaming pile under the underbrush.

I hope Grigson stays away... far away.

Where are you getting this quitting on his team mates thing from? Did you get that from his team mates? Show me an article or an interview please. Some kind of proof.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Babin is not better than Hughes people..... seriously

2 Good Years so what? He must be falling off if you get released from the Dismantled Eagles. At least Hughes still has a Job

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So.... we have ONE Spot left on the 53 right?

I wouldn't be surprised if Grigson brings him in. I just hope in the FA he grabs Rodgers-Cromartie since he's so connected to Philly

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He's a one trick pony that can't even do his one trick in a system designed for him to do so, and a locker room problem.

At 4:00 pm today he will clear waivers and try to strike a huge dollar multiyear deal with someone. I hope dearly it is not us.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He's a one trick pony that can't even do his one trick in a system designed for him to do so, and a locker room problem.

At 4:00 pm today he will clear waivers and try to strike a huge dollar multiyear deal with someone. I hope dearly it is not us.

Actually both seasons he started every game he had over 10 sacks and 18 last year, Starting helps a player get into the game much easier and faster then being subbed in and out and not getting any rhythm or feel for the game

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

13 sacks in 43 games is not that good. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in, but it would have to be next to nothing. He brings nothing to the table unless we use him in pass rushing only situations. We also have no clue how he will fit into the 3-4 D.

He was a rotational player. Jerry Hughes has 5 sacks in 35 games, four of them in his last 11. Not that Jerry Hughes is the measuring stick, but my point is simply that for a rotational pass rusher, that's a decent level of production. And that also answers how he would likely fit into our defense, since the Texans were using him as pass rushing linebacker for his first two seasons.

There's nothing wrong with using him in pass rushing only situations. I don't understand why we'd try to use him for anything else.

The price tag is also pretty cheap, at $1.64m for the remainder of the season. We can easily absorb that. And there's no risk. If we waive him in two weeks and no one claims him, we'd have to swallow the remaining $1m or so. If we release him after the season or anytime before Week 1 of 2013, there's no commitment moving forward.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We're in a 4-3, or at least a hybrid version, more than we're in a 3-4. A great pass rusher fits any system.

he has been released from every team (or didnt sign a new contract) for a reason.I think i read he is 3rd in sacks for the last 6 years yet he is either released or not resigned.

he is a situational pas rusher, who sucks vs the run, we already have freeney on that role :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yup! I think Freeman makes what, $375k this year??

Enough said.

The talk of money is just plain silly IMHO. if the Colts can afford him without jeopardizing the future and he helps the team, how can that possibly be bad? How his salary compares to anyone else's is irrelevant. He's not a quitter, he's a lights out player in practice and on games. He's also opinionated, and if you've ever been around Philly fans you probably agree with his tweets the got him in trouble.

As far as him being a one trick pony, so what? It's a trick every team can use. I doubt we'll get him after just filling our roster but I don't understand why anyone would complain about improving the team. As the Giants have shown, you can't have too many pass rushers.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yup! I think Freeman makes what, $375k this year??

Enough said.

It's not a lot of money for a talented player.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Eagles will owe remaining balance of $5.6M salary, $1.64M, if he is not claimed on waivers.

Jason Babin was a nobody before he met Washburn, who followed him to Philly. So he never was in a different scheme when he was having success. It was always the wide 9.

I misunderstood your point earlier. I thought you were saying they'd have cap obligations in future years. My mistake. Either way, I don't think they're hopping up and down over the potential of saving $1.64m on the cap over the next five weeks. They don't have plans on using that money elsewhere.

By the way, I think the Eagles are free and clear on Babin either way. According to Ross Tucker, Babin has already claimed termination pay once in his career, which means he doesn't get anything from the Eagles if he clears waivers. I don't know how or if that affects their cap for 2012, but they evidently won't be paying him the $1.64m.

https://twitter.com/...526849458540544

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The talk of money is just plain silly IMHO. if the Colts can afford him without jeopardizing the future and he helps the team, how can that possibly be bad? How his salary compares to anyone else's is irrelevant. He's not a quitter, he's a lights out player in practice and on games. He's also opinionated, and if you've ever been around Philly fans you probably agree with his tweets the got him in trouble.

As far as him being a one trick pony, so what? It's a trick every team can use. I doubt we'll get him after just filling our roster but I don't understand why anyone would complain about improving the team. As the Giants have shown, you can't have too many pass rushers.

We have a one trick pony now that makes too much already. Freeney.

This is all moot anyways since we've already filled our 53 spot roster.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Colts' Scouts: What they liked about LeRaven Clark....
      We can disagree. That's perfectly fine obviously but I'd still like to know why you disagree with anything I said regarding my first two paragraphs. I mean its a fact that O Linemen who have had bad combines have went on to have great careers. What will help in Clarks transition is if he shows the ability to process information and translate that to the football field more than any combine numbers will (For the record I was specifically speaking of most of the drills with the exception of bench press and position drills NOT everything else that goes into it like interviews and med checks. That would be absurd to think that of course).   As to specifically his arm length.......That wont help him consistently enough unless he learns how to use them better. They certainly don't mean he has a higher upside or be a big factor on if he becomes good or great even. They will help him against the same quality of player he is currently which is really below average but not horrible(To be specific...against D Lineman that cant separate). But against quality D Linemen he will have a hard time regardless of arm length until he gets the fundamentals down
    • Colts' Scouts: What they liked about LeRaven Clark....
      Whenever I read stuff like your first two paragraphs I seriously wonder about how you process information......   Let's just say we'll have to agree to disagree........     because I don't want to get into it with you and crash the darn website!!      (Sigh.....)  
    • Have you seen Johnny Manziel?
      Yea, well not my fault I didn't click a topic reading, "Am I reading this right"
    • Colts' Scouts: What they liked about LeRaven Clark....
      We aren't talking about wr here. An O Linemans measurable wont make THAT much of a difference....including arm length consistently enough. Tony Ugoh had far better measurables in just about every category and they sure did not help him. Now he went in the 2nd round but was also talked about as a possible 1st rounder (Clark was talked about by some as a 1st-2nd round pick...again as was Ugoh.). His measurables sure did not help him. He can move well (Clark) but relies to much on his long arms.   Now I do think he has a shot but that has nothing to do with measurables and more to the fact that he is mobile. He really doesn't have a higher ceiling because of measurable...not at the O Line position anyway. He has a high ceiling because of his mobility...which don't always translate to the Combine. Lower floor because he has so much to learn.   I don't mind that he was picked in the 3rd even though I saw him as a 4th rounder. I mind that their was better players in the 3rd we could have had. If he was the BPA in the 3rd (apparently he was on the Colts board seemingly based on measurables more than anything else the way the Colts scouts talked) then take him, which the Colts did. I dont fault the Colts brass at all for going with who they thought was apparently BPA......I fault them for apparently thinking HE WAS the BPA.   Hopefully he works out and eventually replaces Reitz when he retires or starts playing bad. I'd love it if that happened.....However I think the odds are much higher Clark is talked about as another Grigson bust. We can revisit this in 4 years and if I'm wrong I'll make a board about it and publicly admit how bad I whiffed on Clark...I might forget  but I sincerely hope someone reminds me if I do. I do however feel I'm best at scouting O Linemen (Though I whiffed on Hayworth Hicks horribly as an undrafted FA in 2012...But I was really new then)
    • 2015-2016 Indiana Pacers (And rest of the NBA) Season
      After tonight/this year, the prospect of avoiding the Warriors en route to a Finals berth could be very appealing to Durant.  I still don't see it happening, but we can dream
  • Welcome New Members

    • Member Introductions! (Say Hi!)
      Hello my Name is Robin. And i'm from Denmark. even though i've been member on this forum for a long time, and the old one as well. I would like to Introduce myself. I became a Colts fan in 2007, when I watched my first NFL game. My brother introduced me to NFL, the superbowl between Colts & Bears, And as we all know the Bears scored first, so I had to rude for the "underdogs".. and from that day on I was hooked. I've watched every game since, even the primetime games, that starts 2:30 in Denmark, it's a long day working with no sleep but damn its worth it. Can't wait for my next big Colts adventure, when I get to see them playing in London 
    • Member Introductions! (Say Hi!)
      I have been a fan since 1984 when I became an early teen and really started to understand the game. Colts moved to Indianapolis in 1984 and eventhough we stunk for a while, things obviously got better. We traded for Dickerson in 1987 and won the Division, then we had Harbaugh's magical season in 1995, the Peyton ERA where winning 12 games was a piece of cake + winning a SB in 2006, now the Andrew ERA where we have already had 3 11 win seasons and a deep Playoff run.
  • Members

Community Software by Invision Power Services, Inc.