Chappell reports sprained AC joint for Richardson (MERGE)

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[Jackie Daytona]

20 hours ago, SR711 said:

1) Its unlikely that he needs surgery if its only an AC sprain.  Xrays would've indicated a more severe type of injury for which surgery would be necessary.  However, the MRI will tell if the ligaments are torn and/or if there is any other soft tissue injury involving the shoulder joint.  If its AC sprain requiring no surgery, my best guess is that he is out 2-4 weeks.  

 

2) Do not, without exception, put AR back on the field until he is absolutely pain free throwing a football with all throws.  We do not as a franchise or fanbase need a repeat of the Andrew Luck 2015 season which altered his career. 

 

3) At the risk of belaboring a point, no more read option plays in this offense.  If Richardson busts a run off a broken pass play, fine.  However, its pretty clear that using him as a RB is going to lead to problems long term.  If he can't be developed into a guy that can win throwing the football (which BTW I absolutely think he can), then we drafted the wrong guy anyways.   

1- you do realize that sprains are tears right? And 50% of grade threes require surgery, and he looks to be borderline grade 4.....

 

2 - I agree, as does likely everyone.

 

3 - if you take away his ability to be used in the read option, he never would have been drafted at 4.  This is just wrong and won't be done, no matter how scared fans are.  You don't tell the guy to stop being himself.  I'd wager we see a grass field in all stadiums next year, and probably this one even if nflpa doesn't demand them.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Good discussion here.

 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This might sound dumb but I wonder if Richardson could put better padding in his shoulder pads. 

[GoColts8818]

surgery is the nightmare scenario.  A rookie QB needing surgery only five games into his career and having missed one of those games due to injury should set alarm bells off.  Note alarm bells doesn’t mean panic it should get people attention and they should be very concerned about his healthy going forward.

[RollerColt]

2 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

surgery is the nightmare scenario.  A rookie QB needing surgery only five games into his career and having missed one of those games due to injury should set alarm bells off.  Note alarm bells doesn’t mean panic it should get people attention and they should be very concerned about his healthy going forward.

Drake Maye time?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, RollerColt said:

Drake Maye time?

Colts are not drafting another QB nor will their record be bad enough. 

[GoColts8818]

Just now, RollerColt said:

Drake Maye time?

Doubt it.  The Colts probably aren’t going to be high enough in the draft to get him for starters and I doubt the Colts give up on Richardson after one season even with the injuries.  It does mean you need to invest in a high end back up like they have with Minshew for this year.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Interesting. Holder said on the radio right now he was told colts  kind of expected this to happen because there is a acclimation period for young quarterbacks.  Richardson was already the target when they signed Minshew. The reason for that was this possibility.

[RollerColt]

Sorry to all if my posts don’t make sense. I’ve been fighting a high fever all weekend and today, I’m getting delirious…

[GoColts8818]

1 minute ago, RollerColt said:

Sorry to all if my posts don’t make sense. I’ve been fighting a high fever all weekend and today, I’m getting delirious…

That sucks hope you feel better and didn’t take it that way.  I get wondering based on my post if I was saying the Colts need to move on Richardson due to the injuries.  I should have been more clear that I wasn’t saying that in my first post.

[RollerColt]

3 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

That sucks hope you feel better and didn’t take it that way.  I get wondering based on my post if I was saying the Colts need to move on Richardson due to the injuries.  I should have been more clear that I wasn’t saying that in my first post.

No, no you guys are all fine. I read my post and realized it was way too knee-jerk reactive. 
 

Now if by the end of next season we still have an unhealthy QB we might have to make some decisions. I hope that doesn’t happen because some would lose their jobs. 

[Shaolin06]

Even though it's different scenarios. Tua is a great example while you don't give up on your guys because of injuries. All we can do is hope he comes back injury free

[RollerColt]

1 minute ago, Shaolin06 said:

Even though it's different scenarios. Tua is a great example while you don't give up on your guys because of injuries. All we can do is hope he comes back injury free

Also a very valid point.

[stitches]

I hope I'm wrong and I hope I am jinxing this, but I have a bad feeling about this thing. Seems to me like more serious than the initial 1 month projection...  Just something about the waiting for multiple opinions and going to some of the best specialists from the get go has me nervous. 

[Stephen]

7 minutes ago, Shaolin06 said:

Even though it's different scenarios. Tua is a great example while you don't give up on your guys because of injuries. All we can do is hope he comes back injury free

You don't give up due to injuries  but you need a great back up plan in place especially  if minshew leaves

[IinD]

5 minutes ago, stitches said:

I hope I'm wrong and I hope I am jinxing this, but I have a bad feeling about this thing. Seems to me like more serious than the initial 1 month projection...  Just something about the waiting for multiple opinions and going to some of the best specialists from the get go has me nervous. 

I bet he's definitely going to need surgery. I'm already preparing myself for the news.

 

This sucks for us honestly. Big injury for your first season in the league.

[stitches]

7 minutes ago, IinD said:

I bet he's definitely going to need surgery. I'm already preparing myself for the news.

 

This sucks for us honestly. Big injury for your first season in the league.

Same, preparing for the worst...  

[Shaolin06]

Yea we definitely need to have a backup plan at all times. I got this quiet confidence that our head coach can make almost anyone look good behind center. I know it's a little to early to think like that but he definitely has a x factor to him. If Ballard gives him the weapons he needs I believe we will be heading back to our glory days

[cdgacoltsfan]

21 minutes ago, stitches said:

I hope I'm wrong and I hope I am jinxing this, but I have a bad feeling about this thing. Seems to me like more serious than the initial 1 month projection...  Just something about the waiting for multiple opinions and going to some of the best specialists from the get go has me nervous. 

Me too. Too much like the Luck injury situation 

[Stephen]

10 minutes ago, stitches said:

Same, preparing for the worst...  

He is out for the year if he gets surgery 

[csmopar]

11 minutes ago, Stephen said:

He is out for the year if he gets surgery 

My gut tells me he’s out since they’re getting multiple opinions. 

[Superman]

1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Interesting. Holder said on the radio right now he was told colts  kind of expected this to happen because there is a acclimation period for young quarterbacks.  Richardson was already the target when they signed Minshew. The reason for that was this possibility.

 

Hold on...

 

Holder said the Colts expected Richardson to get hurt and potentially miss a month or more with a shoulder injury?

 

I think I'd understand if someone said the Colts signed Minshew because they believe he can be a capable starter, whether that's because a rookie isn't ready or QB1 is out for a while. But that's what a backup QB is meant to do, so I don't know what the point would be.

[Superman]

22 hours ago, SR711 said:

3) At the risk of belaboring a point, no more read option plays in this offense.  If Richardson busts a run off a broken pass play, fine.  However, its pretty clear that using him as a RB is going to lead to problems long term.  If he can't be developed into a guy that can win throwing the football (which BTW I absolutely think he can), then we drafted the wrong guy anyways.   

 

https://www.colts.com/video/highlight-zack-moss-rushes-for-a-56-yard-touchdown-vs-tennessee-titans

 

This TD is a read option, and probably doesn't happen unless the QB is a dangerous rushing threat. This is why more and more teams are using QBs in the run game, and it's probably not going to stop. 

 

I don't disagree with the bolded, but taking QB runs out of the offense is counter productive.

[DougDew]

19 minutes ago, csmopar said:

My gut tells me he’s out since they’re getting multiple opinions. 

I agree.  I think a person rolls easier when the diagnosis is mild.  When its severe, then they want to know for sure the various options.

[Indeee]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

I hope I'm wrong and I hope I am jinxing this, but I have a bad feeling about this thing. Seems to me like more serious than the initial 1 month projection...  Just something about the waiting for multiple opinions and going to some of the best specialists from the get go has me nervous. 

and it's his throwing shoulder...

[Superman]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

I hope I'm wrong and I hope I am jinxing this, but I have a bad feeling about this thing. Seems to me like more serious than the initial 1 month projection...  Just something about the waiting for multiple opinions and going to some of the best specialists from the get go has me nervous. 

 

Everything indicating four weeks is a guess right now. It's a serious injury, even if he's back in four weeks. 

 

I think it's probably a 50/50 situation, and the benefit of multiple opinions is that you can form a professional consensus before choosing a course of action. And I think this happens more often than it gets reported. I'd expect nothing less when talking about the QB's throwing shoulder. 

[Moosejawcolt]

8 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I agree.  I think a person rolls easier when the diagnosis is mild.  When its severe, then they want to know for sure the various options.

Yeah.  I make wild predictions lol. However, when I saw him walking of with shoulder hanging, my 1st impression was that he was done. Luck all over again. It didn't look good.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

13 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Hold on...

 

Holder said the Colts expected Richardson to get hurt and potentially miss a month or more with a shoulder injury?

 

I think I'd understand if someone said the Colts signed Minshew because they believe he can be a capable starter, whether that's because a rookie isn't ready or QB1 is out for a while. But that's what a backup QB is meant to do, so I don't know what the point would be.

Here is the link if you want to listen. I think he just meant they understood the possibility because he has to learn players are faster in the nfl.

Starts at 1:26

 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ride-with-jmv-podcast/id1217975448?i=1000630748708

[DougDew]

2 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Yeah.  I make wild predictions lol. However, when I saw him walking of with shoulder hanging, my 1st impression was that he was done. Luck all over again. It didn't look good.

Luck basically needed shoulder reconstruction....major tears....and came back from that.  I think this is a separation where the soft tissues are mainly in tact.  

 

I don't see it as a Luck situation at this point.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I heard someone make a point that makes some sense. Everyone talks about size and it helps not getting injured. But maybe it makes it easier because when you do get hit there is more weight when you land. For instance falling on your shoulder when you weigh 255 compared to only 180. More weight falls on that shoulder. Just a thought.

[Indeee]

**Unpopular take ahead probably** <Sorry 

 

This really could be a serious issue for this team. Here's why. 

 

This QB already has accuracy issues. That is fact. It doesn't matter if he was or was not getting better with that. 

 

If this is a season ender on his throwing shoulder (surgery), how can this team afford to wait to see if this injury hinders his already skeptical passing mechanics, unless it's healed, and he is throwing well before next spring. 

 

To me they won't be able to just wait until camp, however they most assuredly will sit back and wait, and it sets this team back even further if they guess wrong.

 

I think this is a total disaster if it's a surgery situation. Fingers crossed it's not that or the writing will be on the wall imho.

 

They HAVE to draft another QB if this injury ends his season and it's not determined how it affects his throwing before the draft in April. 

 

 

 

 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

2 hours ago, RollerColt said:

Drake Maye time?

 

Colts won't be anywhere near in position to draft Drake and AR5 is our QB going forward until he retires or wants out of Indy. 

Drake is the real deal though along with Caleb and the franchises that acquire them should be very good for years. 

If AR5's career doesn't go like the great Bert Jones and Lucks the Colts with competent coaching and GM'ing should also win and contend for Decade+. 

[Solid84]

2 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

This might sound dumb but I wonder if Richardson could put better padding in his shoulder pads. 

I think an off season with S&C will help a lot with the non-concussion injuries.

 

Google got me this regarding AC injuries, emphasize mine:

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While AC joint injuries are most often the result of direct contact, and in football there isn’t any way to avoid some pretty serious direct contact, there are still things that can be done to prevent AC injuries. The most important prevention methods are:

• Wearing the proper protective equipment correctly
• Strengthening the shoulder and upper body
• Learn to fall and react to direct hits
• Don’t play until fully-recovered from previous shoulder injuries!

 

[cdgacoltsfan]

2 hours ago, RollerColt said:

Drake Maye time?

[Tsarquise]

3 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Good discussion here.

 

 

Thanks for the link. Great listen!

[G8R]

21 minutes ago, Indeee said:

**Unpopular take ahead probably** <Sorry 

 

This really could be a serious issue for this team. Here's why. 

 

This QB already has accuracy issues. That is fact. It doesn't matter if he was or was not getting better with that. 

 

If this is a season ender on his throwing shoulder (surgery), how can this team afford to wait to see if this injury hinders his already skeptical passing mechanics, unless it's healed, and he is throwing well before next spring. 

 

To me they won't be able to just wait until camp, however they most assuredly will sit back and wait, and it sets this team back even further if they guess wrong.

 

I think this is a total disaster if it's a surgery situation. Fingers crossed it's not that or the writing will be on the wall imho.

 

They HAVE to draft another QB if this injury ends his season and it's not determined how it affects his throwing before the draft in April. 

 

 

 

 

You’re acting like this is an Achilles rupture or something. Even if he has to have surgery it’s has no affect on a career. It’s a minor blip at best.

[GoColts8818]

2 hours ago, stitches said:

I hope I'm wrong and I hope I am jinxing this, but I have a bad feeling about this thing. Seems to me like more serious than the initial 1 month projection...  Just something about the waiting for multiple opinions and going to some of the best specialists from the get go has me nervous. 

Luck PTSD but I agree.

3 minutes ago, G8R said:

You’re acting like this is an Achilles rupture or something. Even if he has to have surgery it’s has no affect on a career. It’s a minor blip at best.

While I don’t think it’s career ending anytime your franchise QB has his throwing shoulder cut on is reason to be concerned.

[Moosejawcolt]

1 hour ago, DougDew said:

Luck basically needed shoulder reconstruction....major tears....and came back from that.  I think this is a separation where the soft tissues are mainly in tact.  

 

I don't see it as a Luck situation at this point.

Agreed. I speaking more to the injuries overall and how they eventually wore Luck down. Got to be super frustrating for this kid. Let's say he comes back and suffers another injury. Well then, you will start to see a whole new set of circumstances start to unfold.

[Stephen]

We are going to need to take another  qb who is capable  of starting  if we don't  extend minshew. It's a deep qb class we could probably  get someone  decent in the second or third round as insurance  in case he gets hurt.