Jonathan Taylor comments on his contract/Request trade (Merge)

[gnet550]

I’d tell him look…we will trade you, trade you to Washington and let you play with Jacoby again…or you can quit being a baby…lol

[danlhart87]

47 minutes ago, Jackie Daytona said:

Best part is, if he passes a physical, and Indy doesn't trade him, he can't keep up the injury charade to avoid the fines, only to come back half a season in to accrue his year and be a FA at years end....if he passes a physical and they keep him.... He is suiting up all year and has to look healthy and productive.... 

 

This is likely the only way Ballard can make sure he doesn't sit half the year.

Jackpot! To be fair, I'm just a regular, human bartender.

[Superman]

1 hour ago, Nickster said:

Not to quibble because that situation is different.  In the NBA I think the trading team signs the guy then trades him.  I think I’m not sure though.

 

was the buck deal a signed deal to get that money or was a a “gentleman’s agreement” between the Colts and Buck?
 

if that were the case I think a gentleman’s agreement between Bears or MIA and JT would possibly be problematic.

 

The primary reason teams do sign and trades in the NBA is because the current team can give the player more money and years, so the current team needs to execute the contract. But because of the way signing bonuses are allocated in the NFL, it generally doesn't make sense for the current team to execute the contract with the player, so it's not really a "sign and trade." 

 

But it's not a gentleman's agreement; it's all contractual. With the Buckner deal, the two teams agreed to trade compensation, then the Colts negotiated the contract, then Buckner had to pass a physical. Only after all of that was the trade and the contract finalized. If Taylor finds a team willing to meet the Colts' price to trade for JT, then the Colts would grant that team permission to negotiate a contract with JT, and the trade and contract would be made official once the new team clears him physically.

 

The concern would be that the potential trade would leak before it's official, then he fails the physical and the deal comes undone. That could be a huge problem, especially if the Colts aren't willing to match the contract.

[Moosejawcolt]

43 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Well they don’t have to trade him.  If true and they want a 1st or it’s equivalent then that looks like the minimum they would accept.  If they don’t get it he remains a Colt and probably starts getting fined if he doesn’t start practicing.  The fact that they are letting him seek a trade tells me he’s healthy and will pass a physical.  Otherwise why bother.  No one will make a trade unless they are sure he will pass a physical.  So if we don trade him his only choice is to report and play out the year or start receiving fines.   If he was 28 or 29 the interest would be tempered but 24 is a huge difference.  A real playmaker and difference maker in his prime.  These GM’s don’t have a lot of time to win it all.  If the asking price is a 1st or it’s equivalent I think at least one team will meet it.

It will be critical crickets I bet from other teams. Running back market is,set

[Coltsbluefan]

If I’m the Colts I’m not doing Taylor and that so called agent of his any favors when it comes to trading him.No way im sending him to the Chiefs,Bills,Ravens,Dolphins,or any other Superbowl contender,I don’t want to see him get rewarded with a Superbowl with the way he’s been here.Send him to the Cardinals or Bucs.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

5 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

The primary reason teams do sign and trades in the NBA is because the current team can give the player more money and years, so the current team needs to execute the contract. But because of the way signing bonuses are allocated in the NFL, it generally doesn't make sense for the current team to execute the contract with the player, so it's not really a "sign and trade." 

 

But it's not a gentleman's agreement; it's all contractual. With the Buckner deal, the two teams agreed to trade compensation, then the Colts negotiated the contract, then Buckner had to pass a physical. Only after all of that was the trade and the contract finalized. If Taylor finds a team willing to meet the Colts' price to trade for JT, then the Colts would grant that team permission to negotiate a contract with JT, and the trade and contract would be made official once the new team clears him physically.

 

The concern would be that the potential trade would leak before it's official, then he fails the physical and the deal comes undone. That could be a huge problem, especially if the Colts aren't willing to match the contract.

You made a great point here how a team would have to meet colts price before they would even grant him permission to take a physical or negotiate.

[NewColtsFan]

10 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Lol

 

 

The cardinals might actually have two top 5 picks in April because of that Texans trade.

The Cardinals might actually have the top 2 picks in next years draft.   Their own, plus Houston’s.   For discussions sake, we removed them for consideration.  The Cards are not moving them in a deal for JT.   
 

If the Colts could come away with a pick at the top of R2 and near the top of R3, I think they’d be thrilled.   Honestly.  
 

But the 1’s in the top-5 just aren’t even realistic.   Not even a little.   

[Moosejawcolt]

3 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Yep,  you said all that and more. Even when they were putting up all pro seasons.   You are more Interested in being right about your opinion than you are about the players being great.   You are wrong a lot.   Most here know it

Go back and check

3 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Yep,  you said all that and more. Even when they were putting up all pro seasons.   You are more Interested in being right about your opinion than you are about the players being great.   You are wrong a lot.   Most here know it

Was I wrong when I said about a,week ago that Taylor will never play for  olts again?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This is good.

 

 

[w87r]

38 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Jason spears has some good tweets on his timeline.

[Superman]

@Nickster

 

Part of the problem with how the Aaron Rodgers trade happened is that the Packers let Rodgers go out and talk to teams without stipulating trade compensation first. So when Rodgers goes out and says 'I intend to play for the Jets,' now the Jets can wait out the Packers, knowing that they're the only game in town. 

 

Maybe that would have gone the same way no matter what; it's no surprise that he wanted to team back up with Hackett. But the Packers didn't do themselves any favors by not stipulating trade compensation in advance.

[Superman]

One of the best things that can come from this, IMO, is hopefully some other team leaks what Taylor and his agent are asking for in a new contract. Now we can find out if he's completely out of touch, or just asking for a new multi year deal that the Colts aren't ready to consider yet.

 

And if he wants $16m/year, or more, and no team is willing to make the trade happen, then the Colts can just hold on to him, let him walk in FA, and get a third round comp pick in 2025. It's not ideal, but it's at least a baseline.

[Superman]

8 minutes ago, w87r said:

 

 

Get to scrolling... There's a dozen or so with some good comments. Nothing we haven't said in this thread already though.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Those aren’t spears current tweets on the Taylor situation. Bur if you click on those it will take you to his twitter. 

[w87r]

@Superman

 

 

Sorry I asked. Lol

 

 

Some of those were from 2021.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I have a feeling the excuses abscence was getting physical for another team and this is just coming out tonight. Maybe Taylor’s agent wasn’t getting the value he thought Taylor would get so he puts this out there to get more teams interested.

6 minutes ago, w87r said:

@Superman

 

 

Sorry I asked. Lol

 

 

Some of those were from 2021.

Yeah I was talking about his tweets snort Taylor tonight.

[Superman]

2 hours ago, w87r said:

 

The fans have flipped on him. A lot deserved with how he's handled it.

 

 

It's not about what he did, it's how he did it, Lawrence.

 

Personally I have zero beef with how Taylor has handled his situation. This is how contract disputes work. It's never pretty, and if you really want to force the hand of the other party, you have to get your hands dirty. Something about breaking eggs to make an omelet... I don't know for sure what Taylor wants, or how it will work out, but his only way to wrestle some leverage is to break some eggs.

 

I do think he misplayed his hand. Especially if he's not healthy. I think there are only so many teams that are willing to give a RB a big, multi year contract, and the Colts are one of them. The primary reason they haven't offered him said contract so far is because they don't know if he's healthy or not. (Or worse, they know that he's NOT healthy. Which is a big problem, especially for him.) And then he and his agent publicly antagonized the team that would potentially want to keep/pay him, which has caused a portion of the fan base to turn on him. But I don't blame him for wanting to get a new contract right now, rather than playing out another year of what should be his physical prime on a rookie contract, with a team that might not even want to feature him in the run game.

 

To me, it's the business. It's not fun, but it's also not personal. So I haven't flipped on him, I'm not mad at him, and I actually hope he stays. But I don't think he's picked the right strategy here. If he gets a fat contract in a trade, then I'll be wrong. I just don't really see that happening...

 

8 minutes ago, w87r said:

@Superman

 

 

Sorry I asked. Lol

 

 

Some of those were from 2021.

 

You gotta click the link, and then get to scrolling.

[coltsfan_canada]

3 hours ago, IndyEric07 said:

Anyone burn their JT jerseys yet? I luckily didnt buy one, but I’d happily participate in a nice big bonfire that should be started on JTs agents lawn!

 

What a luck I have?

 

Bought 2 jerseys (Taylor and Darius) both are hurt 

[w87r]

11 minutes ago, Superman said:

I do think he misplayed his hand.

Pretty much what I'm saying.

 

He should of never went the injured route. He should've reported early when asked, took the physical and shown he was 100% healthy. He might've even got an extension if that happens. Maybe not his numbers, but.we might of been willing to at least talk about it.

 

 

By reporting and claiming to be hurt, the Colts wouldn't even consider an offer and it makes a trade difficult. Wasn't a well thought out plan 

 

They miss played their hand no doubt. Been made to look like a liar, in the process.

 

It will all be over one way or the other soon enough.

 

Today's move was a great play by Colts and only stands to benefit from it.

1. Appease player(go find what you want)

2. Show your healthy(takes injury card off table)

3. Get us this compensation

4. Show market value 

 

[danlhart87]

29 minutes ago, w87r said:

[NFLfan]

3 hours ago, w87r said:

But I tried to get you JT a few post a go.

 

Lol. I did not see it.

[NewColtsFan]

Does anyone here think that a POSSIBLE Colts strategy coukd be to allow the agent to seek a deal.   Then find out how little interest there actually is.   Perhaps get them to see how much things have changed.   Maybe rethink their position? 
 

Yes. ?

No.   ?

Maybe.  ?

 

Anyone?   

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Does anyone here think that a POSSIBLE Colts strategy coukd be to allow the agent to seek a deal.   Then find out how little interest there actually is.   Perhaps get them to see how much things have changed.   Maybe rethink their position? 
 

Yes. ?

No.   ?

Maybe.  ?

 

Anyone?   

Yea. This is very possible. The question is  are things to dar gone to be repaired if they can’t get what they want.

[NFLfan]

12 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Does anyone here think that a POSSIBLE Colts strategy coukd be to allow the agent to seek a deal.   Then find out how little interest there actually is.   Perhaps get them to see how much things have changed.   Maybe rethink their position? 
 

Yes. ?

No.   ?

Maybe.  ?

 

Anyone?   

 

Maybe. I'm leaning towards "Yes".

[AKB]

anyone want to summarize what i've missed? haven't been keeping tabs on this thread

[AKB]

41 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Personally I have zero beef with how Taylor has handled his situation. This is how contract disputes work. It's never pretty, and if you really want to force the hand of the other party, you have to get your hands dirty. Something about breaking eggs to make an omelet... I don't know for sure what Taylor wants, or how it will work out, but his only way to wrestle some leverage is to break some eggs.

 

I do think he misplayed his hand. Especially if he's not healthy. I think there are only so many teams that are willing to give a RB a big, multi year contract, and the Colts are one of them. The primary reason they haven't offered him said contract so far is because they don't know if he's healthy or not. (Or worse, they know that he's NOT healthy. Which is a big problem, especially for him.) And then he and his agent publicly antagonized the team that would potentially want to keep/pay him, which has caused a portion of the fan base to turn on him. But I don't blame him for wanting to get a new contract right now, rather than playing out another year of what should be his physical prime on a rookie contract, with a team that might not even want to feature him in the run game.

 

To me, it's the business. It's not fun, but it's also not personal. So I haven't flipped on him, I'm not mad at him, and I actually hope he stays. But I don't think he's picked the right strategy here. If he gets a fat contract in a trade, then I'll be wrong. I just don't really see that happening...

 

 

You gotta click the link, and then get to scrolling.

pretty much exactly how i feel about the situation. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

This is smart by our FO. Let Taylor and his agent explore a trade. Once they can't find a team to take him or want his demands, then mission complete. Our FO also will not trade Taylor for a Big Mac either. It will take a 1st round pick in 2024, or 2nd and 3rd in 2024. So I don't see Taylor going anywhere.

[OLD FAN MAN]

what elite player would want to play for ballards poor roster building method?

[GoColts8818]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

 

Personally I have zero beef with how Taylor has handled his situation. This is how contract disputes work. It's never pretty, and if you really want to force the hand of the other party, you have to get your hands dirty. Something about breaking eggs to make an omelet... I don't know for sure what Taylor wants, or how it will work out, but his only way to wrestle some leverage is to break some eggs.

 

I do think he misplayed his hand. Especially if he's not healthy. I think there are only so many teams that are willing to give a RB a big, multi year contract, and the Colts are one of them. The primary reason they haven't offered him said contract so far is because they don't know if he's healthy or not. (Or worse, they know that he's NOT healthy. Which is a big problem, especially for him.) And then he and his agent publicly antagonized the team that would potentially want to keep/pay him, which has caused a portion of the fan base to turn on him. But I don't blame him for wanting to get a new contract right now, rather than playing out another year of what should be his physical prime on a rookie contract, with a team that might not even want to feature him in the run game.

 

To me, it's the business. It's not fun, but it's also not personal. So I haven't flipped on him, I'm not mad at him, and I actually hope he stays. But I don't think he's picked the right strategy here. If he gets a fat contract in a trade, then I'll be wrong. I just don't really see that happening...

 

 

You gotta click the link, and then get to scrolling.

Yeah this is the ugly side of sports people talk about.  It’s been a long time since the Colts have had a contract standoff and fans aren’t used to seeing it here.  I am not mad at Taylor or the Colts and understand what both want and why they want it.  Note understanding doesn’t mean agreeing with it or agreeing with how they went about it.

[ShuteAt168]

From perhaps the team’s most popular player to a guy a large portion of the fan base has completely soured on — is there a comp to JT in Colts history? I can’t think of one but a lot of you guys are more knowledgeable than me. 

[compuls1v3]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

Does anyone here think that a POSSIBLE Colts strategy coukd be to allow the agent to seek a deal.   Then find out how little interest there actually is.   Perhaps get them to see how much things have changed.   Maybe rethink their position? 
 

Yes. ?

No.   ?

Maybe.  ?

 

Anyone?   

Yes.  I think Ballard does that alot actually.  I also think Taylor's team will be brought down to Earth.  

 

[compuls1v3]

17 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

From perhaps the team’s most popular player to a guy a large portion of the fan base has completely soured on — is there a comp to JT in Colts history? I can’t think of one but a lot of you guys are more knowledgeable than me. 

Luck???

[krunk]

Colts are in great position if he does find anything. I will take a 1st rounder please! Taylor sit down and meet them in the middle like I have been telling you sir!

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

Does anyone here think that a POSSIBLE Colts strategy coukd be to allow the agent to seek a deal.   Then find out how little interest there actually is.   Perhaps get them to see how much things have changed.   Maybe rethink their position? 
 

Yes. ?

No.   ?

Maybe.  ?

 

Anyone?   

Yes. That is exactly what our FO is doing. Jmo 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

This is an outstanding move from the FO. The best way to show Taylor and his agent that his demands will not be honored by any team in this RB market. He will have to eat some humble pie and the beauty is that it will not be the Colts that will teach him this lesson. Sure, he might be gone either way, but soo happy to know that Colts didn’t have to go through that contract dispute which would clearly hit a brick wall sooner or late.

 

You don’t dictate to the market, the market dictates to you.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

Does anyone here think that a POSSIBLE Colts strategy coukd be to allow the agent to seek a deal.   Then find out how little interest there actually is.   Perhaps get them to see how much things have changed.   Maybe rethink their position? 
 

Yes. ?

No.   ?

Maybe.  ?

 

Anyone?   

If they think that Taylors demands are laughable, this is really the only sane strategy to go for.

[stitches]

5 hours ago, Colts.sb41 said:

Is this guy credible? I’ve never heard of him but that means nothing.

No, he's one of those that throw out tons and tons of % at the wall and hope something sticks... then deletes the misses... 

[colts89]

3 hours ago, Coltsbluefan said:

If I’m the Colts I’m not doing Taylor and that so called agent of his any favors when it comes to trading him.No way im sending him to the Chiefs,Bills,Ravens,Dolphins,or any other Superbowl contender,I don’t want to see him get rewarded with a Superbowl with the way he’s been here.Send him to the Cardinals or Bucs.

No way, get the most value out of him possible. If he's healthy and behind a decent OL, then he's an absolute game changing weapon on any team and those contending teams know it. Get back everything possible for him.

[stitches]

4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

A contender is likely to pay the most in any trade.   They have the most incentive hoping the deal would lead to a deep playoff run. 
 

What’s the incentive for a non-contender to overpay?   

Agreed. It's going to be either contender or a team that thinks they are close to contending and looking to get there. That's why I've kept returning to Miami(in addition to the agent thing, which would be really weird if he didn't know something). Also... look for a team who just lost their RB due to injury or something... (coincidentally, Miami kind of fits that mold too - Achane just injured his shoulder is he's week-to-week)

 

This all of course relies on the assumption that Taylor is actually healthy or is really close to returning to play. 

 

 

 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

3 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

If Colts traded him to Eagles their RB duo would be

 

Eagles have like RB 5o, not just duo