Colts select QB Anthony Richardson Florida (merge)

[BlueShoe]

Just now, Dingus McGirt said:

He lied?  Saying accuracy is important, then taking a young QB who needs work on his accuracy, doesn't mean he lied.  Accusing a person of being a liar is pretty strong stuff.  Would you call him one to his face?

This is paraphrasing but very close…

 

Reporter: What are the most important traits in a quarterback?

 

Steichen: He has to love football. Has to be obsessed. And he must be very accurate. 

[Fluke_33]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I would love to draft Torrence.

 

and phillip, right?

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:

He lied?  Saying accuracy is important, then taking a young QB who needs work on his accuracy, doesn't mean he lied.  Accusing a person of being a liar is pretty strong stuff.  Would you call him one to his face?

All coaches have lied at one time or another, hell Belichick cheated and skirted rules all the time. I don't get the big deal about how Shane played this.

[BlackTiger]

11 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

The was absolutely no reason for him to lie about it.

I dont get why you are so hung up on this.  Coaches say smoke screens to the media when it comes to taling about draft prospects.  He probably does value accuracy but that doesnt mean they cant take a young guy that they think can improve his %

 

Way too worried about his "lying" to the media when it comes to talking about the draft

[ChuggaBeer]

5 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

This is paraphrasing but very close…

 

Reporter: What are the most important traits in a quarterback?

 

Steichen: He has to love football. Has to be obsessed. And he must be very accurate. 

Are you judging accuracy by completion % or passes made to the right spot even though the receiver dropped or missed the catch?    

 

Maybe they see more accuracy that the stats show.  

 

Either way  can we just  agree to disagree?

[ChuggaBeer]

8 minutes ago, stitches said:

Yeah, Luck was amazing, but it's time for us to move on.

 

Did you snooze your alarm last night? Or did you just decide to take a goodnight sleep instead of torture yourself waking up in middle of the night? 

For a while it was a true torture I tell you. I didn't think I would mind it that much if we took Levis but just before the draft started all the betting sportsbooks posted insane odds for Levis to go no. 4(-2000) and I was in despair.  I guess at least I now know for sure what my feelings would have been if it was going to be Levis... 

I think it was cool that Ballard called him before the draft. (not sure if he said it was the day before or the day of the draft and told him that if he was there at 4 they were taking him.   

 

So they picked him over all the QB's. He was their QB 1 from the beginning 

[Fluke_33]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

I think the biggest winner on the roster from that pick is Alec Pierce... He better get ready for tons of deep balls... 

If the D has to put a spy on AR then JT will tear it up

[BlueShoe]

5 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

I dont get why you are so hung up on this.  Coaches say smoke screens to the media when it comes to taling about draft prospects.  He probably does value accuracy but that doesnt mean they cant take a young guy that they think can improve his %

 

Way too worried about his "lying" to the media when it comes to talking about the draft

Smoke screens are one thing. Lying is a completely different issue. That’s a red flag character trait. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

This is paraphrasing but very close…

 

Reporter: What are the most important traits in a quarterback?

 

Steichen: He has to love football. Has to be obsessed. And he must be very accurate. 

Dear Lord! You are trolling now. Shane probably thinks he can help AR with his accuracy and he was the choice at QB with Young and Stroud being gone. Many people that say the 3pt shot in basketball is the most important part of the game are the same people say LeBron James is better than Larry Bird. They are all liars, I guess because Bird was a much better 3 pt shooter. 

 

Bill Belichick was on record saying Mac Jones is our guy for the future after he drafted him and played well in year 1, then he said this off season he would consider trading him, enough said. 

[Myles]

Levis not being taken in the first round adds some validity to the Colts pick.   

[NFLfan]

13 minutes ago, stitches said:

Yeah, Luck was amazing, but it's time for us to move on.

 

Did you snooze your alarm last night? Or did you just decide to take a goodnight sleep instead of torture yourself waking up in middle of the night? 

For a while it was a true torture I tell you. I didn't think I would mind it that much if we took Levis but just before the draft started all the betting sportsbooks posted insane odds for Levis to go no. 4(-2000) and I was in despair.  I guess at least I now know for sure what my feelings would have been if it was going to be Levis... 

 

Lol. I was feeling the same for my team. Every pick until 23 was torture. Lol. I had read that if he drops, we might even trade up for him. SMH. Some of our most knowledgeable football fans said if that happened they would lose confidence in the current regime. These fans did not believe Levis should be our pick; however, when SB Nation did the draft, our writer selected Levis at 23. It was not a popular pick with most.

 

Levis may go early tonight -- maybe to the Rams. Or Tennessee.

 

We might draft a QB tonight.

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

I dont get why you are so hung up on this.  Coaches say smoke screens to the media when it comes to taling about draft prospects.  He probably does value accuracy but that doesnt mean they cant take a young guy that they think can improve his %

 

Way too worried about his "lying" to the media when it comes to talking about the draft

I don't get it either, strange to me. Just because some people lie about some things doesn't mean they don't have integrity. Everyone on planet earth lies daily about something, if they say they don't they are lying. Politicians are the biggest liars and they run the country  

[BlackTiger]

Just now, BlueShoe said:

That’s a red flag character trait. 

NAh you are just making a big deal over something trivial.  I think you just didnt want AR and are mad we drafted him

 

Maybe Shane does value accuracy,  someone ARs age can improve accuracy.  Luck, Burrow and Levis all threw under 60% their first year.  They think AR can improve, its not nearly the LYING you are making it out to be

[BProland85]

Do you think he'll keep his #15 with the Colts? I hope so as he looks good in it. 

[Myles]

3 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

Smoke screens are one thing. Lying is a completely different issue. That’s a red flag character trait. 

The media lied to everyone as well.   They all have been telling us that Levis was the 3rd best QB in this draft class.   In fact, the odds had him the second most likely QB to be picked first (Young).     Turns out that teams with QB needs still passed on him.

[Nickster]

2 hours ago, DougDew said:

 

What I see is Ballard's attempt to find a QB to compete with Allen and Mohomes.  Exactly what "schemes" do they run?  Nobody cares what scheme they run.  People care about what plays they make off structure.  Run around with the ball and make a play. 

 

Sort of like Phil Jackson's "scheme" to get the ball into MJs hands and have him make plays...with a little designed diversion here and there to give him a break so he didn't have to do it every play.  Boring strategy....Chicago Bulls = Yawn.

 

Steichen has reportedly told Ballard "nobody can do the things at QB that AR can do".

 

It seems to me that they are looking for an athlete that can make plays out of structure and win ball games for them.  Teach him some structured football for those diversionary "rest plays", but then he has to get back at it and do something for us.   

 

Picking an athlete that has started 13 games at pick 4 and hoping he can have the impact a Mahomes or Allen has in a few years is pure desperation, IMO.

 

There were lots of trades in the first round,.  Its conceivable that a less desperate GM could have traded down a few times and now be sitting with 2 picks in rounds 1,2 and 3 next year and potentially drafting Levis...or Hooker if that's who you prefer.  But QBs like them have to succeed within structure. 

Steichen probably sees an even more explosive version of Hurts. 

 

Hurts played 4 years of CFB and was a much more polished passer with actual success in college.  I get that.

 

I don't know how it will play out, but I really think CB and SS think they can develop this guy into a stud.  I think they probably think the guy is too good to pass up.

 

I have serious doubts about the kid as an accurate enough passer of the football at the NFL level, but he's still 20.  Football has changed dramatically.  Hurts is a run first QB and just put up 35 in the the big bowl.  It's a reality.  It's different.

 

But AR will be perdy good Day 1 running the mesh with JT if we get minimally competent line play.  I don't think he will start right away, but I expect to see him taking some snaps in Game 1.

 

Don't know Doug.  I'd really like to see us go for Levis or Hooker in R2.  I think we could likely convert a pick like that into a nice draft pick in year or two when we are really ready to compete and have a better handle on where our needs are going to be when and if AR is ready to be a good QB.  Will the austrian work out at LT?  Will our young Pass catchers develop?  will our Dline with all the investment improve?  Lots of unanswered questions that will also take a year or two to judge.  

 

There will likely be even more QB desperate teams next season than this season IMO. 

[GoColts8818]

2 minutes ago, Myles said:

Levis not being taken in the first round adds some validity to the Colts pick.   

Yes and no.  Yes from the stand point clearly no one else after the Colts felt Levis was worth a first round pick but we also don’t know what would have happened had the Colts taken Levis and not Richardson.  Richardson could be where Levis is now had that happened.  Not saying it’s likely but we don’t know because it didn’t happen.

 

Regardless the Colts made their choice so now I’d rather hope it works out than play coulda, woulda, shoulda.

[Kemisk]

2 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

Do you think he'll keep his #15 with the Colts? I hope so as he looks good in it. 

I think he said before the draft he wants to wear #2

[GoColts8818]

2 minutes ago, Myles said:

The media lied to everyone as well.   They all have been telling us that Levis was the 3rd best QB in this draft class.   In fact, the odds had him the second most likely QB to be picked first (Young).     Turns out that teams with QB needs still passed on him.

The media didn’t lie to you.  They gave you their opinion or reported what they were hearing which turned out to be wrong.  There is a difference.

 

For the record I have zero problem with what Shane did too.  That’s what NFL people do this time of year.  Like I said before if Shane is liar for what he did so is everyone in the NFL.

[iuswingman]

16 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

This is paraphrasing but very close…

 

Reporter: What are the most important traits in a quarterback?

 

Steichen: He has to love football. Has to be obsessed. And he must be very accurate. 

 

Maybe he allows exceptions for QBs that he feels he can fix so that they become very accurate.

 

From some articles that I have read, his accuracy issues have a lot to do with his footwork...which according to the article is easier to fix than if the issue was the throwing motion.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Yes and no.  Yes from the stand point clearly no one else after the Colts felt Levis was worth a first round pick but we also don’t know what would have happened had the Colts taken Levis and not Richardson.  Richardson could be where Levis is now had that happened.  Not saying it’s likely but we don’t know because it didn’t happen.

 

Regardless the Colts made their choice so now I’d rather hope it works out than play coulda, woulda, shoulda.

I highly doubt it because of AR's ceiling. I think either the Raiders or Titans would have drafted AR.

Just now, GoColts8818 said:

The media didn’t lie to you.  They gave you their opinion or reported what they were hearing which turned out to be wrong.  There is a difference.

 

For the record I have zero problem with what Shane did too.  That’s what NFL people do this time of year.  Like I said before if Shane is liar for what he did so is everyone in the NFL.

I agree 100% as I have posted.

[ChuggaBeer]

Ballard said they knew who they wanted a month ago.   So they picked AR15 over every QB in the draft   Even when the rumors were that Carolina may take Stroud 

[GoColts8818]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I highly doubt it because of AR's ceiling. I think either the Raiders or Titans would have drafted AR.

They very well could have but my point is we have no way of knowing that.  At this point though it’s just a giant game of what if and that can go on forever.  We finally know who the Colts QB is going to be so it’s time to focus on that because personally, and I think you’ll agree, we’ve played what if since January on that one.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

15 minutes ago, stitches said:

Yeah, Luck was amazing, but it's time for us to move on.

 

Did you snooze your alarm last night? Or did you just decide to take a goodnight sleep instead of torture yourself waking up in middle of the night? 

For a while it was a true torture I tell you. I didn't think I would mind it that much if we took Levis but just before the draft started all the betting sportsbooks posted insane odds for Levis to go no. 4(-2000) and I was in despair.  I guess at least I now know for sure what my feelings would have been if it was going to be Levis... 

 

I decided to just go to sleep without setting an alarm. But I didn't sleep well. After @Superman mentioned how it would be difficult for him to re-watch the tape of Levis (a red flag for sure! ), I got completely stressed out about whether Irsay might be forcing a pick of Levis.

 

So I just woke up in the middle of the night, checked the time, and immediately switched on the phone. A few minutes earlier, Colts had just picked Richardson - and I was over the moon to be honest! 

[Myles]

Just now, GoColts8818 said:

Yes and no.  Yes from the stand point clearly no one else after the Colts felt Levis was worth a first round pick but we also don’t know what would have happened had the Colts taken Levis and not Richardson.  Richardson could be where Levis is now had that happened.  Not saying it’s likely but we don’t know because it didn’t happen.

 

Regardless the Colts made their choice so now I’d rather hope it works out than play coulda, woulda, shoulda.

It IS possible, but I don't think the teams in need of a QB would have let AR get past them.  

[BlueShoe]

8 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Dear Lord! You are trolling now. Shane probably thinks he can help AR with his accuracy and he was the choice at QB with Young and Stroud being gone. Many people that say the 3pt shot in basketball is the most important part of the game are the same people say LeBron James is better than Larry Bird. They are all liars, I guess because Bird was a much better 3 pt shooter. 

 

Bill Belichick was on record saying Mac Jones is our guy for the future after he drafted him and played well in year 1, then he said this off season he would consider trading him, enough said. 

When someone doesn’t agree with you or the group consensus, it does not make them a troll. 
 

If that’s what you think then no sense in responding to anything else you have to say. 

[BProland85]

5 minutes ago, Kemisk said:

I think he said before the draft he wants to wear #2

Why? That number is cursed in Indy with both Wentz and Ryan wearing it. 

[Kemisk]

Just now, BProland85 said:

Why? That number is cursed in Indy with both Wentz and Ryan wearing it. 

His high school number

[DougDew]

5 minutes ago, Nickster said:

Steichen probably sees an even more explosive version of Hurts. 

 

Hurts played 4 years of CFB and was a much more polished passer with actual success in college.  I get that.

 

I don't know how it will play out, but I really think CB and SS think they can develop this guy into a stud.  I think they probably think the guy is too good to pass up.

 

I have serious doubts about the kid as an accurate enough passer of the football at the NFL level, but he's still 20.  Football has changed dramatically.  Hurts is a run first QB and just put up 35 in the the big bowl.  It's a reality.  It's different.

 

But AR will be perdy good Day 1 running the mesh with JT if we get minimally competent line play.  I don't think he will start right away, but I expect to see him taking some snaps in Game 1.

 

Don't know Doug.  I'd really like to see us go for Levis or Hooker in R2.  I think we could likely convert a pick like that into a nice draft pick in year or two when we are really ready to compete and have a better handle on where our needs are going to be when and if AR is ready to be a good QB.  Will the austrian work out at LT?  Will our young Pass catchers develop?  will our Dline with all the investment improve?  Lots of unanswered questions that will also take a year or two to judge.  

 

There will likely be even more QB desperate teams next season than this season IMO. 

I'm not going to try to analyze stuff I don't know, like what Steichen wants or thinks, or what schemes we'll play first, then maybe some other scheme when he learns more.

 

Simply said.  For me this looks like a reach for need.  

[iuswingman]

If the worst case scenario plays out and AR ends up stinking it up at QB, then he would make a killer TE (assuming he can catch a ball) with his size and speed.

 

But I'm hoping/optimistic that we can fix his accuracy issues and he will do well at QB.

[stitches]

6 minutes ago, ChuggaBeer said:

I think it was cool that Ballard called him before the draft. (not sure if he said it was the day before or the day of the draft and told him that if he was there at 4 they were taking him.   

 

So they picked him over all the QB's. He was their QB 1 from the beginning 

Did Ballard say that? I think I missed it. BTW, this is another good sign for Richardson if he didn't leak anything. Usually when teams tell the player, everybody gets to know by the time they are picked... and with Richardson noone knew ... 

6 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

If the D has to put a spy on AR then JT will tear it up

Yep... having a double treat QB opens up a ton of possibilities. It just changes the math of the defense completely. Pretty much the whole offense benefits - the RB play against LBs in conflict, the WRs get more one-on-ones, the QB gets more favorable situations in both the run and the pass...

5 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Lol. I was feeling the same for my team but every pick until 23 was torture. Lol. I had read that if he drops, we might even trade up for him. SMH. Some of our most knowledgeable football fans said if that happened they would lose confidence in the current regime. These fans did not believe Levis should be our pick; however, when SB Nation did the draft, our writer selected Levis at 23. It was not a popular pick with most.

 

Levis may go early tonight -- maybe to the Rams. Or Tennessee.

 

We might draft a QB tonight.

Yeah, sorry for poking you and joking with you a bit about the possibility too  

 

I wonder if Levis goes ahead of Hooker? 

[BlueShoe]

12 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

NAh you are just making a big deal over something trivial.  I think you just didnt want AR and are mad we drafted him

 

Maybe Shane does value accuracy,  someone ARs age can improve accuracy.  Luck, Burrow and Levis all threw under 60% their first year.  They think AR can improve, its not nearly the LYING you are making it out to be

I actually love that we got Richardson. 
 

Try again.

[GoColts8818]

3 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

Why? That number is cursed in Indy with both Wentz and Ryan wearing it. 

Was 18 cursed in Indy before Peyton wore it when you look at some of the guys who wore it before him?  Numbers are numbers it’s the players in them that matter.  If Richardson succeeds or fails here is going to have nothing to do with the number he wears.

[BlueShoe]

11 minutes ago, Myles said:

The media lied to everyone as well.   They all have been telling us that Levis was the 3rd best QB in this draft class.   In fact, the odds had him the second most likely QB to be picked first (Young).     Turns out that teams with QB needs still passed on him.

Most of the media lies about nearly everything.

[chad72]

18 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

Smoke screens are one thing. Lying is a completely different issue. That’s a red flag character trait. 

 

I like you man but that is a bit too much, attacking the character of a coach. 

 

Did it ever occur to you that he may have changed his mind after seeing the pros and weighing it against AR's cons? It is very much possible. So changing one's mind and re-evaluating things is not the same as lying, it is just changing one's mind. He didn't have to provide the details of any re-evaluations once he changed his mind, he was in no way obligated to telegraph the Colts' eventual intentions.

 

It could have been just these last 2 weeks they could have changed their minds too, you know what I am saying, because the Top 30 and private visits happen well after the combine. I think you should just let it go because your character assassination of Steichen will eventually lead to yours, as you can clearly see happening, fair or not. Just saying. 

[Smonroe]

25 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

This is paraphrasing but very close…

 

Reporter: What are the most important traits in a quarterback?

 

Steichen: He has to love football. Has to be obsessed. And he must be very accurate. 

 

I'm sorry, but why is that a lie?  I'm seriously asking.

 

If you asked him today, he'd probably say the same thing.

 

You can say they chose a QB that doesn't absolutely meet all his criteria.  But you can't say he's a liar because they didn't pick one who didn't.

[BlueShoe]

8 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

 

Maybe he allows exceptions for QBs that he feels he can fix so that they become very accurate.

 

From some articles that I have read, his accuracy issues have a lot to do with his footwork...which according to the article is easier to fix than if the issue was the throwing motion.

He can somewhat improve his accuracy. But it’s a trait you’re either born with or not. 

[Myles]

Just now, BlueShoe said:

Most of the media lies about nearly everything.

But they claim to be journalists and try to make people believe they know stuff and then they spew crap with no evidence and people buy it up.   

[Smonroe]

Just now, BlueShoe said:

He can somewhat improve his accuracy. But it’s a trait you’re either born with or not. 

 

Did you look at Josh Allen's completion percentage from college?

 

Look, no one knows how he's going to do in the pros yet.  But you seem to be cherry picking items to put him down.

 

Whatever.  I'm rooting for him.

 

[BlackTiger]

4 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

I actually love that we got Richardson. 
 

Try again.

So quit making such a big deal over Shanes "lying"

 

That is so trivial its not nearly worth the reaction you are having here.  Get over that dude