Poll - QB Preference (now that PR has officially retired) (merge)

[richard pallo]

16 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

 

Ballard has been very complimentary of Doyle in the past.  Great locker room guy and leader.  Hard to see him included here but it is a business so anything is possible.  Maybe Ertz comes over in this scenario.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

If that is true Ballard wants Wentz really bad. The twos are no big deal because we most likely trade back into the second with a late one. We actually would end up with a higher to then what we originally had.

 

What a gamble though. That could leave us with no CB if Rhodes signs elsehere. We could bring walker back and not miss much with Okereke.

 

Eaglss going t turn into the jets with former colt players.

Eagles will never do it, they want two 1's from everything I have read.

[BProland85]

20 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

 

Sure hope not.

[w87r]

21 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Wow....   if true, more than I thought Ballard would give up.  We'll find out next week. 

Not to concerned with the players, as I've pretty much been calling for Doyle's trade/release since December.

 

RYS is 1 of the "scrubs" @danlhart87 has been tired of seeing included in trade talks.

 

Oke, didn't play very well last year either. 

 

I would have an easier time supporting this move over a 1st +, for sure. Still not really wanting him though.

 

 

I do wonder if Ertz might be included in such a deal though?

 

Eagles would save $8m on Ertz get a cheaper TE in Doyle and 2 young cheap salaries to help with their cap situation.

 

All 3 of these players would still be less cap hit, than Ertz savings.

[NewColtsFan]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Eagles will never do it, they want two 1's from everything I have read.

It doesn’t matter what they want if no one offers them that.  It only matters what they can get. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

It doesn’t matter what they want if no one offers them that.  It only matters what they can get. 

I am not sure but didn't the Bears offer them two 1's? I thought I read that somewhere, maybe I didn't. With 41 pages of posts maybe I am wrong.

[Mr.Debonair]

5 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

Sure hope not.

Why not?

[danlhart87]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am not sure but didn't the Bears offer them two 1's? I thought I read that somewhere, maybe I didn't. With 41 pages of posts maybe I am wrong.

Nothing is official 

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am not sure but didn't the Bears offer them two 1's? I thought I read that somewhere, maybe I didn't. With 41 pages of posts maybe I am wrong.

That was the rumor

 

[NewColtsFan]

20 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am not sure but didn't the Bears offer them two 1's? I thought I read that somewhere, maybe I didn't. With 41 pages of posts maybe I am wrong.

You mave indeed read that.   Doesn’t mean the report is true.   I’d be very skeptical of reports that claim to have insider knowledge like that.   Lots of stuff gets thrown around this time of year.

 

Just saying. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

11 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Eagles will never do it, they want two 1's from everything I have read.

What they want doesn’t mean they will get it. Looks like WA is in on it too.

[DougDew]

6 minutes ago, w87r said:

Not to concerned with the players, as I've pretty much been calling for Doyle's trade/release since December.

 

RYS is 1 of the "scrubs" @danlhart87 has been tired of seeing.

 

Oke, didn't play very well last year either. 

 

I would have an easier time supporting this move over a 1st +, for sure. Still not really wanting him though.

 

 

I do wonder if Ertz might be included in such a deal though?

 

Eagles would save $8m on Ertz get a cheaper TE in Doyle and 2 young cheap salaries to help with their cap situation.

 

All 3 of these players would still be less cap hit, than Ertz savings.

Yes.  Exactly what I expressed on the previous page.  While Wentz carries risks and is not my favorite scenario, the value of this trade would make this a no brainer good trade for us.  

 

Wentz is basically on a two year deal for us.  If he stinks, its not like he stifles the progress of the team-build.

 

RYS can be replaced with a 3rd round corner, and OKE a 4th round ILB.  Or either by a mid value vet FA. 

[danlhart87]

Just now, DougDew said:

Yes.  Exactly what I expressed on the previous page.  While Wentz carries risks and is not my favorite scenario, the value of this trade would make this a no brainer good trade for us.  

 

Wentz is basically on a two year deal for us.  If he stinks, its not like he stifles the progress of the team-build.

 

RYS can be replaced with a 3rd round corner, and OKE a 4th round ILB.  Or either by a mid value vet FA. 

If we do it and get him without trading a 1 its a success 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Colts Twitter will go nuts if this is true lol. They are already laughing at it. 

 

This does seem out of the norm of something Ballard would do. But remembering that they have Gannon and nick in Phili so might make sense.

[PrincetonTiger]

I would not be surprised that Bobby O and/or RYS are included in whatever QB deal the Colts make

1 minute ago, Chloe6124 said:

Colts Twitter will go nuts if this is true lol. They are already laughing at it. 

 

This does seem out of the norm of something Ballard would do. But remembering that they have Gannon and nick in Phili so might make sense.

Isn’t Michael there too

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

5 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Yes.  Exactly what I expressed on the previous page.  While Wentz carries risks and is not my favorite scenario, the value of this trade would make this a no brainer good trade for us.  

 

Wentz is basically on a two year deal for us.  If he stinks, its not like he stifles the progress of the team-build.

 

RYS can be replaced with a 3rd round corner, and OKE a 4th round ILB.  Or either by a mid value vet FA. 

We can also try and bring Walker back too.

[2006Coltsbestever]

As much as I have bashed Wentz (which I have), if we get him without trading any #1's, I would be semi ok with it. I still don't think he is the answer but it is what it is.

[danlhart87]

 

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

As much as I have bashed Wentz (which I have), if we get him without trading any #1's, I would be semi ok with it. I still don't think he is the answer but it is what it is.

He could the bridge until Eason is ready or the team can find the next Franchise QB

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, danlhart87 said:

 

That sucks 

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

 

The person you quoted earlier can sleep tonight

[w87r]

1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

If we do it and get him without trading a 1 its a success 

It will probably end up essentially being a 1st though.

 

Like I said before, if we do this, the chance of Ballard trading back from #21 increases. I guess depending who falls but deal would probably be something like this:

 

Colts trade:

#21

 

Colts rec:

Early 2021 2nd

2021 3rd or 4th(depending how far into the 2nd)

2022 2nd.

 

So the (2) seconds would kinda offset a little, although most likely a few slots higher(definitely this year) than they would've been other wise, plus an extra mid round pick.

 

But who knows maybe Ballard could turn #21 into 2021 2nd and 2022 1st depending who is on the board?

[NewColtsFan]

5 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Yes.  Exactly what I expressed on the previous page.  While Wentz carries risks and is not my favorite scenario, the value of this trade would make this a no brainer good trade for us.  

 

Wentz is basically on a two year deal for us.  If he stinks, its not like he stifles the progress of the team-build.

 

RYS can be replaced with a 3rd round corner, and OKE a 4th round ILB.  Or either by a mid value vet FA. 

Doug...   I think you’ve been in a toll for several days now.   Lots of good posts.   And I was with you on this post until the last paragraph.

 

I don’t think you use pick 34 on a corner, and if he doesn’t work out, think he can be replaced with a 3rd round corner which would be mid-80’s. 
 

And I don’t think you use pick 87 on a LB like Okereke and think he can be replaced with a 4th rounder which this year would be around the mid-120’s.  

 

Yiu might get lucky, but I think that’s all it would be. 
 

 

[PrincetonTiger]

Just now, w87r said:

It will probably end up essentially being a 1st though.

 

Like I said before, if we do this, the chance of Ballard trading back from #21 increases. I guess depending who falls but deal would probably be something like this:

 

Colts trade:

#21

 

Colts rec:

Early 2021 2nd

2021 3rd or 4th(depending how far into the 2nd)

2022 2nd.

 

So the (2) seconds would kinda offset a little, although most likely a few slots higher(definitely this year) than they would've been other wise, plus an extra mid round pick.

 

But who knows maybe Ballard could turn #21 into 2021 2nd and 2022 1st depending who is on the board?

I am not sure about a trade back with the need at OT

[Fluke_33]

Is vinfroshnfl a reliable source.  I know he has nfl in his name but still.....

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

He could the bridge until Eason is ready or the team can find the next Franchise QB

Yep. After two years you can dump him. If he turns out great then we have a franchise guy for ten years.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Rogers showed a lot of promise at corner in the Bills game. Tell us also coming back. But it would be very important to bring Rhodes back.

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, Fluke_33 said:

Is vinfroshnfl a reliable source.  I know he has nfl in his name but still.....

As I said earlier he is not verified but not sure otherwise

[w87r]

Just now, PrincetonTiger said:

I am not sure about a trade back with the need at OT

All depends on who is there really. Ballard will want to replenish those picks.

 

If one of the top tackles is sitting there, he probably would not move down. I said depending on who is there though. Overall I think chances(trade back) increase though.

[csmopar]

2 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

Is vinfroshnfl a reliable source.  I know he has nfl in his name but still.....

I don’t see Ballard offering all three of them, 1, 2 tops 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Let’s not forget that Ballard had players available for Stafford too. 

[w87r]

7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

I don’t think you use pick 34 on a corner, and if he doesn’t work out, think he can be replaced with a 3rd round corner which would be mid-80’s. 
 

And I don’t think you use pick 87 on a LB like Okereke and think he can be replaced with a 4th rounder which this year would be around the mid-120’s.  

Isn't that what he said?

 

17 minutes ago, DougDew said:

RYS can be replaced with a 3rd round corner, and OKE a 4th round ILB.  Or either by a mid value vet FA.

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

In all seriousness this is probably not true. I have a hard time thinking Ballard would do this.

[PrincetonTiger]

3 minutes ago, w87r said:

Isn't that what he said?

 

 

Looks that way

[presto123]

14 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

He could the bridge until Eason is ready or the team can find the next Franchise QB

Fitzpatrick could bridge at a MUCH cheaper cost.

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, presto123 said:

Fitzpatrick could bridge at a MUCH cheaper cost.

Don’t disagree 

[danlhart87]

Anybody else think Wentz might be traded to Denver 

3 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

In all seriousness this is probably not true. I have a hard time thinking Ballard would do this.

I'm sure it isn't just posting what I can

[PrincetonTiger]

2 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Anybody else think Wentz might be traded to Denver 

I'm sure it isn't just posting what I can

@danlhart87
 not sure what the Fighting Elways will do

[csmopar]

3 minutes ago, presto123 said:

Fitzpatrick could bridge at a MUCH cheaper cost.

[Aces101]

5 minutes ago, presto123 said:

Fitzpatrick could bridge at a MUCH cheaper cost.

Agree 100% and said the exact thing about 10 pages ago and was laughed at by Chloe. LOL