PFF's Top 5 Graded Colts 2018 - Offense

[DaveA1102]

 

I know, I know, PFF is trash, blah blah blah! 

 

I would have liked to see the whole list but still thought worth sharing.

 

Interesting to note Castonzo coming in at 3, with an almost identical grade to Big Q.  I am sure Nelson actually started the year with poor grading over the first few weeks (although it was against tough competition without Castonzo alongside) and so this reflects how well he finished the year.

 

Also, almost goes without saying, but 91.2 grade for your first season back after what Andrew went through......man I love that guy! 

 

Doyle was a huge miss for us after his injury.  He brings so much to almost every facet of our offense and will have been a big miss schematically for Reich.

[lollygagger8]

If Colts would've had Doyle and Hooker against the Chiefs, we would've won. I also think we would've taken it to the pats. 

 

But then again, the refs would've probably screwed it all up, so nevermind. 

[The Fish]

44 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

If Colts would've had Doyle and Hooker against the Chiefs, we would've won.

 

If Luck was playing well on top of that and they committed to the run game, and, and, and..

 

Note the team started winning when AC showed up. He did play well and doesn't get much credit for it from the media/fans. 

[stitches]

Some grades:

 

WRs:

TY Hilton 87.7

Chester Rogers 63.1

Dontrelle Inman 72.3

Ryan Grant 59.1

Zach Pascal 59.1

 

RB:

Marlon Mack 70.3

Jordan Wilkins 65.1

Nyheim Hines 71.3

 

TEs:

Mo Alie-Cox 70.2

Eric Ebron 66.9

Ran Hewitt 56.9

Jack Doyle 73.0

 

OCs:

Ryan Kelly 70.1

Evan Boehm 70.7

 

OGs:

Mark Glowinski 68.9

Matt Slauson 66.8

Quenton Nelson 76.7

 

OTs

Anthony Castonzo 76.8

Le'Raven Clark 67.9

Braden Smith 71.4

Joe Haeg 58.8

J'Marcus Webb 64.5

 

CBs:

Kenny Moore II 69.2

Pierre Desir 77.7

Nate Hairston 51.6

Quincy Wilson 70.4

 

S:

Clayton Geathers 67.4

Malik Hooker 79.7 

Mike Mitchell 81.1

Matthias Farley 66.4

George Odum 61.9

 

LBs

Anthony Walker 61.1

Najee Goode 38.4

Matthew Adams 52.4

Darius Leonard 81.8

Zaire Franklin 53.9

 

ID:

Hassan Ridgeway 73.9

Margus Hunt 71.4

Jihad Ward 75.7

Grover Stewart 52.8

Al Woods 61.2

Denico Autry 69.9

 

DEs:

Jabaal Sheard 70.0

Al-Quadin Muhammad 64.4

Kemoko Turay 62.9

Tyquan Lewis 53.2

 

[lollygagger8]

37 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

If Luck was playing well on top of that and they committed to the run game, and, and, and..

 

Note the team started winning when AC showed up. He did play well and doesn't get much credit for it from the media/fans. 

 

Yeah, I hear ya. If this, if that. 

 

At least I'm not bitter. LOL 

[lollygagger8]

Just now, stitches said:

Some grades:

 

WRs:

TY Hilton 87.7

Chester Rogers 63.1

Dontrelle Inman 72.3

Ryan Grant 59.1

Zach Pascal 59.1

 

RB:

Marlon Mack 70.3

Jordan Wilkins 65.1

Nyheim Hines 71.3

 

TEs:

Mo Alie-Cox 70.2

Eric Ebron 66.9

Ran Hewitt 56.9

Jack Doyle 73.0

 

OCs:

Ryan Kelly 70.1

Evan Boehm 70.7

 

OGs:

Mark Glowinski 68.9

Matt Slauson 66.8

Quenton Nelson 76.7

 

OTs

Anthony Castonzo 76.8

Le'Raven Clark 67.9

Braden Smith 71.4

Joe Haeg 58.8

J'Marcus Webb 64.5

 

CBs:

Kenny Moore II 69.2

Pierre Desir 77.7

Nate Hairston 51.6

Quincy Wilson 70.4

 

S:

Clayton Geathers 67.4

Malik Hooker 79.7 

Mike Mitchell 81.1

Matthias Farley 66.4

George Odum 61.9

 

LBs

Anthony Walker 61.1

Najee Goode 38.4

Matthew Adams 52.4

Darius Leonard 81.8

Zaire Franklin 53.9

 

ID:

Hassan Ridgeway 73.9

Margus Hunt 71.4

Jihad Ward 75.7

Grover Stewart 52.8

Al Woods 61.2

Denico Autry 69.9

 

DEs:

Jabaal Sheard 70.0

Al-Quadin Muhammad 64.4

Kemoko Turay 62.9

Tyquan Lewis 53.2

 

 

See, this is just part of what's wrong with PFF: 

 

They have Q. Wilson better than Kenny Moore, and Hines > Mack.

 

They also have Cox better than Ebron. 

 

Whatta joke. 

[DaveA1102]

I have a lot of time for PFF as their podcasts do a good job of explaining grades......but Evan Boehm > Ryan Kelly?!

 

[Four2itus]

Tell you what, though.....thank the universe that Ballard signed Sheard. 

[SteelCityColt]

3 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

 

See, this is just part of what's wrong with PFF: 

 

They have Q. Wilson better than Kenny Moore, and Hines > Mack.

 

They also have Cox better than Ebron. 

 

Whatta joke. 

 

Why do you think the grades are wrong? 

[John Hammonds]

3 hours ago, DaveA1102 said:

I have a lot of time for PFF as their podcasts do a good job of explaining grades......but Evan Boehm > Ryan Kelly?!

 

Because Kelly may be better, but he just can't seem to stay on the field?

[That Guy]

3 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

Because Kelly may be better, but he just can't seem to stay on the field?

Missing time doesn't really influence their ratings.  Players are only graded for their performance on the field.  Playing while injured can drop a player if their performance dips, but missing time does not negatively influence their grade.

 

5 hours ago, DaveA1102 said:

Interesting to note Castonzo coming in at 3, with an almost identical grade to Big Q.  I am sure Nelson actually started the year with poor grading over the first few weeks (although it was against tough competition without Castonzo alongside) and so this reflects how well he finished the year.

Castonzo is also playing a position that seems to receive higher grades.  He's only 13th or so as a tackle, while Big Q is the third highest guard with a similar rating.

[John Hammonds]

Here's the list, resorted:

#1 - Andrew Luck, QB, 91.2

#2 - TY Hilton, WR, 87.7

#3 - Darius Leonard, OLB, 81.8

#4 - Mike Mitchell, S, 81.1

#5 - Malik Hooker, S, 79.7

#6 - Pierre Desir, CB, 77.7

#7 - Anthony Castonzo, T, 76.8

#8 - Quenton Nelson, G, 76.7

#9 - Jihad Ward, DT, 75.7

#10 - Hassan Ridgeway, DT, 73.9

#11 - Jack Doyle, TE, 73.0

#12 - Dontrell Inman, WR, 72.3

#13 - Braden Smith, T, 71.4

#14 - Margus Hunt, DT, 71.4

#15 - Nyheim Hines, RB, 71.3

#16 - Evan Boehm, C, 70.7

#17 - Quincey Wilson, CB, 70.4

#18 - Marlon Mack, RB, 70.3

#19 - Mo Alie-Cox, TE, 70.2

#20 - Ryan Kelly, C, 70.1

#21 - Jabaal Sheard, DE, 70.0

#22 - Denico Autry, DT, 69.9

#23 - Kenny Moore II, CB, 69.2

#24 - Mark Glowinski, G, 68.9

#25 - Le'Raven Clark, T, 67.9

#26 - Clayton Geathers, S, 67.4

#27 - Eric Ebron, TE, 66.9

#28 - Matt Slauson, G, 66.8

#29 - Matthias Farley, S, 66.4

#30 - Jordan Wilkins, RB, 65.1

#31 - J'Marcus Webb, T, 64.5

#32 - Al-Quadin Muhammad, DE, 64.4

#33 - Chester Rogers, WR, 63.1

#34 - Kemoko Turay, DE, 62.9

#35 - George Odum, S, 61.9

#36 - Al Woods, DT, 61.2

#37 - Anthony Walker, ILB, 61.1

#38 - Ryan Grant, WR, 59.1

#39 - Zach Pascal, WR, 59.1

#40 - Joe Haeg, G, 58.8

#41 - Ran Hewitt, TE, 56.9

#42 - Zaire Franklin, LB, 53.9

#43 - Tyquan Lewis, DE, 53.2

#44 - Grover Stewart, DT, 52.8

#45 - Matthew Adams, LB, 52.4

#46 - Nate Hairston, CB, 51.6

#47 - Najee Goode, OLB, 38.4

[KelownaColtsFan]

I wonder why Ridgeway doesn't get more playing time. He seems to stand out more to me than Al Woods does.

[Cynjin]

3 hours ago, DaveA1102 said:

I have a lot of time for PFF as their podcasts do a good job of explaining grades......but Evan Boehm > Ryan Kelly?!

 

 

9 minutes ago, KelownaColtsFan said:

I wonder why Ridgeway doesn't get more playing time. He seems to stand out more to me than Al Woods does.

 

Apparently, the Colts coaches do not agree with PFF.

[KelownaColtsFan]

1 hour ago, Cynjin said:

 

Apparently, the Colts coaches do not agree with PFF.

It's not just PFF, I dont think I noticed a single play this season where I was like wow Al Woods. Ridgeway is no world beater and he is by no means jumping off my TV screen, but when he's in the game I do seem to notice him.

[shasta519]

1 hour ago, That Guy said:

Missing time doesn't really influence their ratings.  Players are only graded for their performance on the field.  Playing while injured can drop a player if their performance dips, but missing time does not negatively influence their grade.

 

Castonzo is also playing a position that seems to receive higher grades.  He's only 13th or so as a tackle, while Big Q is the third highest guard with a similar rating.

 

Good post. OTs do tend to get higher grades for some reason.

 

Boehm's grade is influenced by a small sample size. If Boehm had played longer, his grade likeluy dips.

[shasta519]

1 hour ago, John Hammonds said:

Here's the list, resorted:

#1 - Andrew Luck, QB, 91.2

#2 - TY Hilton, WR, 87.7

#3 - Darius Leonard, OLB, 81.8

#4 - Mike Mitchell, S, 81.1

#5 - Malik Hooker, S, 79.7

#6 - Pierre Desir, CB, 77.7

#7 - Anthony Castonzo, T, 76.8

#8 - Quenton Nelson, G, 76.7

#9 - Jihad Ward, DT, 75.7

#10 - Hassan Ridgeway, DT, 73.9

#11 - Jack Doyle, TE, 73.0

#12 - Dontrell Inman, WR, 72.3

#13 - Braden Smith, T, 71.4

#14 - Margus Hunt, DT, 71.4

#15 - Nyheim Hines, RB, 71.3

#16 - Evan Boehm, C, 70.7

#17 - Quincey Wilson, CB, 70.4

#18 - Marlon Mack, RB, 70.3

#19 - Mo Alie-Cox, TE, 70.2

#20 - Ryan Kelly, C, 70.1

#21 - Jabaal Sheard, DE, 70.0

#22 - Denico Autry, DT, 69.9

#23 - Kenny Moore II, CB, 69.2

#24 - Mark Glowinski, G, 68.9

#25 - Le'Raven Clark, T, 67.9

#26 - Clayton Geathers, S, 67.4

#27 - Eric Ebron, TE, 66.9

#28 - Matt Slauson, G, 66.8

#29 - Matthias Farley, S, 66.4

#30 - Jordan Wilkins, RB, 65.1

#31 - J'Marcus Webb, T, 64.5

#32 - Al-Quadin Muhammad, DE, 64.4

#33 - Chester Rogers, WR, 63.1

#34 - Kemoko Turay, DE, 62.9

#35 - George Odum, S, 61.9

#36 - Al Woods, DT, 61.2

#37 - Anthony Walker, ILB, 61.1

#38 - Ryan Grant, WR, 59.1

#39 - Zach Pascal, WR, 59.1

#40 - Joe Haeg, G, 58.8

#41 - Ran Hewitt, TE, 56.9

#42 - Zaire Franklin, LB, 53.9

#43 - Tyquan Lewis, DE, 53.2

#44 - Grover Stewart, DT, 52.8

#45 - Matthew Adams, LB, 52.4

#46 - Nate Hairston, CB, 51.6

#47 - Najee Goode, OLB, 38.4

 

PFF seems to agree with the idea that the Colts could use LB help, WRs and at least one DE. Their grades can be questionable...but that definitely meets the eye test.

[Cynjin]

10 hours ago, KelownaColtsFan said:

It's not just PFF, I dont think I noticed a single play this season where I was like wow Al Woods. Ridgeway is no world beater and he is by no means jumping off my TV screen, but when he's in the game I do seem to notice him.

 

The point is that the coaches that actually see the players practice on a daily basis and watch the game film believe that both Woods and Kelly are the best players to start. 

 

I will trust the coaches over PFF and any poster on this board. 

[lollygagger8]

14 hours ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

Why do you think the grades are wrong? 

 

They have Q. Wilson better than Kenny Moore, and Hines > Mack.

 

They also have Cox better than Ebron. 

 

[SteelCityColt]

1 hour ago, lollygagger8 said:

 

They have Q. Wilson better than Kenny Moore, and Hines > Mack.

 

They also have Cox better than Ebron. 

 

 

To be clear not having a dig with my initial question, but you’ve not answered it either. 

 

So let’s take Cox over Ebron. Cox hasn’t seen the field nearly as much as Ebron so the sample size is much smaller. It’s possible that he could have graded better without obviously producing the same volume. Remember too that PFF should be looking at every snap, including plays where the TE is blocking etc etc. Plays that might not necessarily show up to the causal watch eye test. 

 

Have I watched every snap of both? No. Can I say therefore my opinion is as informed, no. So I won’t go as far as to say Cox has been “better” but I can understand how he could potentially grade higher.

[lollygagger8]

1 hour ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

To be clear not having a dig with my initial question, but you’ve not answered it either. 

 

So let’s take Cox over Ebron. Cox hasn’t seen the field nearly as much as Ebron so the sample size is much smaller. It’s possible that he could have graded better without obviously producing the same volume. Remember too that PFF should be looking at every snap, including plays where the TE is blocking etc etc. Plays that might not necessarily show up to the causal watch eye test. 

 

Have I watched every snap of both? No. Can I say therefore my opinion is as informed, no. So I won’t go as far as to say Cox has been “better” but I can understand how he could potentially grade higher.

 

If you've watched every game technically you did watch every snap. Of course I didn't focus on just one player every single play like they did though. That's the problem with PFF. The sample sizes are sometimes too small per player. Like, what if Brissett makes that hail mary at the end of that game and it goes for a TD? His rating is going to be off the charts due to one play. 

 

Again, regardless of what PFF thinks/says,  

Is Cox better than Ebron? Maybe blocking? So how does PFF grade blocking vs catching then? 

Wilson better than Moore? In what world? 

Hines better than Mack? Does catching equate higher grades than rushing to PFF? 

 

They also rated Boehm higher than Kelly. We all know what happened to the run game when Kelly came back without having to sit there and watch every snap per player. 

 

 

[CurBeatElite]

20 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

 

See, this is just part of what's wrong with PFF: 

 

They have Q. Wilson better than Kenny Moore, and Hines > Mack.

 

They also have Cox better than Ebron. 

 

Whatta joke. 

 

I think @SteelCityColt is correct.  Cox has a much smaller sample size and was pretty efficient when he was in the game (mostly as a blocker).

 

1 hour ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

To be clear not having a dig with my initial question, but you’ve not answered it either. 

 

So let’s take Cox over Ebron. Cox hasn’t seen the field nearly as much as Ebron so the sample size is much smaller. It’s possible that he could have graded better without obviously producing the same volume. Remember too that PFF should be looking at every snap, including plays where the TE is blocking etc etc. Plays that might not necessarily show up to the causal watch eye test. 

 

Have I watched every snap of both? No. Can I say therefore my opinion is as informed, no. So I won’t go as far as to say Cox has been “better” but I can understand how he could potentially grade higher.

 

I think you are right.  I also believe Ebron's drops have something to do with this, he had 9 over the course of the season (averaging almost 1 drop in 60% of games).  PFF also accounts for every play the player is on the field.  I don't recall many times where Ebron was in the game and blew a blocking assignment, but I assume there are plays where he may have received negative ratings based on that.  

 

Playerprofiler.com has some pretty cool stuff.  It shows that Ebron's 'true catch rate' (i.e., how often he caught the ball per balls which were catchable) is 75% and that he lead the league in drops for TEs. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/eric-ebron/

 

Cox on the other hand had a true catch rate of 100%.   https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/mo-alie-cox/  Granted, Cox had a lot less balls thrown his way, he probably wasn't getting ducked points for drops anywhere near the way Ebron was. 

[SteelCityColt]

6 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

 

If you've watched every game technically you did watch every snap. Of course I didn't focus on just one player every single play like they did though. That's the problem with PFF. The sample sizes are sometimes too small per player. Like, what if Brissett makes that hail mary at the end of that game and it goes for a TD? His rating is going to be off the charts due to one play. 

 

Again, regardless of what PFF thinks/says,  

Is Cox better than Ebron? Maybe blocking? So how does PFF grade blocking vs catching then? 

Wilson better than Moore? In what world? 

Hines better than Mack? Does catching equate higher grades than rushing to PFF? 

 

They also rated Boehm higher than Kelly. We all know what happened to the run game when Kelly came back without having to sit there and watch every snap per player. 

 

 

 

Question, do you think scouts/coaches evaluate players by watching the game once (broadcast view) and evaluating all players at the same time? 

 

I’m saying how do you know Wilson isn’t better if the ball isn’t getting thrown his way? If he’s covering his man is he doing his job? So can you grade him down for not getting targeted? The flaw is that the grader might not always know a player’s assignment. 

 

PFF isn’t the be all and end all by any means, it’s another source of info, and you weigh it accordingly. But it gets a lot of respect in circles much more enlightened than here. 

 

Besides if they’re doing such a bad job, and what they do is so easy, why hasn’t anyone filled the gap in the market?

 

Again, not a dig at you, just playing DA a little.

[lollygagger8]

10 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

Question, do you think scouts/coaches evaluate players by watching the game once (broadcast view) and evaluating all players at the same time? 

 

I’m saying how do you know Wilson isn’t better if the ball isn’t getting thrown his way? If he’s covering his man is he doing his job? So can you grade him down for not getting targeted? The flaw is that the grader might not always know a player’s assignment. 

 

PFF isn’t the be all and end all by any means, it’s another source of info, and you weigh it accordingly. But it gets a lot of respect in circles much more enlightened than here. 

 

Besides if they’re doing such a bad job, and what they do is so easy, why hasn’t anyone filled the gap in the market?

 

Again, not a dig at you, just playing DA a little.

 

Question, do you think scouts/coaches evaluate players by watching the game once (broadcast view) and evaluating all players at the same time?  

 

C'mon man, are you being serious? They have access to a plethora more tape than we do. 

 

As to the bolded: 

I'm guessing nobody has the manpower (or want) to recreate this. I asked you above how it works and how do they value certain aspects per player but didn't get an answer.

I don't know who/what team uses PFF stats to grade players but I hope they are taking them with a truck full of salt. 

 

I'm glad you like PFF. Great. Goodie gumdrops. I simply don't agree with their "system"

Again, my Brissett example is exactly what I'm talking about. What if he gets a TD on that hail mary pass? He'd be the best QB in the league according to PFF.

 

Kind of like how that QB from Green Bay (Matt Flynn) got paid because he had one game that he went off, and got paid based of that, and ended up being a dud.

It's just dumb to not account for sample sizes.  

 

 

 

[SteelCityColt]

27 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

 

Question, do you think scouts/coaches evaluate players by watching the game once (broadcast view) and evaluating all players at the same time?  

 

C'mon man, are you being serious? They have access to a plethora more tape than we do. 

 

As to the bolded: 

I'm guessing nobody has the manpower (or want) to recreate this. I asked you above how it works and how do they value certain aspects per player but didn't get an answer.

I don't know who/what team uses PFF stats to grade players but I hope they are taking them with a truck full of salt. 

 

I'm glad you like PFF. Great. Goodie gumdrops. I simply don't agree with their "system"

Again, my Brissett example is exactly what I'm talking about. What if he gets a TD on that hail mary pass? He'd be the best QB in the league according to PFF.

 

Kind of like how that QB from Green Bay (Matt Flynn) got paid because he had one game that he went off, and got paid based of that, and ended up being a dud.

It's just dumb to not account for sample sizes.  

 

 

 

 

C'mon man, are you being serious? They have access to a plethora more tape than we do. 

Not really these days, All 22 is readily available. What they have over us, is absolute knowledge of the play calling on their side. 

 

I'm glad you like PFF. Great. Goodie gumdrops. I simply don't agree with their "system"

Again, my Brissett example is exactly what I'm talking about. What if he gets a TD on that hail mary pass? He'd be the best QB in the league according to PFF.

Or maybe you have a minimum snap count to ensure there is a decent enough sample to remove obvious one play outliers? Notice whose name is missing from the list of players earlier in the topic?

 

I'm guessing nobody has the manpower (or want) to recreate this. 

This is the NFL we're talking about, and PFF is attracted some serious investment recently. If there's money in it then people will do it. You'd think you could make a serious business case of hiring ex-league scouts to grade out and offer a similar product. I think the issue is that PFF are very protective to a degree of their grading methodology precisely for that reason. Again.. if NFL teams are buying into it there is probably some merit to it.

 

I'm glad you like PFF. Great. Goodie gumdrops. I simply don't agree with their "system"

There's no need to get snarky, I've made it clear I'm not digging at you, but trying to open up the conversation. You don't like their system, fine, but it goes back to my original question.

 

You say player X is clearly better than player Y, PFF is trash. I asked you to tell me why you think that. All you've offered so far is "because I say so".

 

 

[Cynjin]

51 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

C'mon man, are you being serious? They have access to a plethora more tape than we do. 

Not really these days, All 22 is readily available. What they have over us, is absolute knowledge of the play calling on their side. 

 

I'm glad you like PFF. Great. Goodie gumdrops. I simply don't agree with their "system"

Again, my Brissett example is exactly what I'm talking about. What if he gets a TD on that hail mary pass? He'd be the best QB in the league according to PFF.

Or maybe you have a minimum snap count to ensure there is a decent enough sample to remove obvious one play outliers? Notice whose name is missing from the list of players earlier in the topic?

 

I'm guessing nobody has the manpower (or want) to recreate this. 

This is the NFL we're talking about, and PFF is attracted some serious investment recently. If there's money in it then people will do it. You'd think you could make a serious business case of hiring ex-league scouts to grade out and offer a similar product. I think the issue is that PFF are very protective to a degree of their grading methodology precisely for that reason. Again.. if NFL teams are buying into it there is probably some merit to it.

 

I'm glad you like PFF. Great. Goodie gumdrops. I simply don't agree with their "system"

There's no need to get snarky, I've made it clear I'm not digging at you, but trying to open up the conversation. You don't like their system, fine, but it goes back to my original question.

 

You say player X is clearly better than player Y, PFF is trash. I asked you to tell me why you think that. All you've offered so far is "because I say so".

 

 

 

I would dispute that teams do not have access to significantly more tape and information than PFF.  PFF does not have access to any practice tape, along with the plays called and the knowledge of what every player's responsibilities are for those plays among other things.

[Dingus McGirt]

On 1/21/2019 at 1:35 PM, DaveA1102 said:

I have a lot of time for PFF as their podcasts do a good job of explaining grades......but Evan Boehm > Ryan Kelly?!

 

Very small sample for EB.

[SteelCityColt]

1 hour ago, Cynjin said:

 

I would dispute that teams do not have access to significantly more tape and information than PFF.  PFF does not have access to any practice tape, along with the plays called and the knowledge of what every player's responsibilities are for those plays among other things.

 

I agree on the knowledge of the play book as per my reply but fair point on the practice tape. But unless you know a guy called Bill you're not getting to see that. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

On 1/21/2019 at 11:34 AM, DaveA1102 said:

 

I know, I know, PFF is trash, blah blah blah! 

 

I would have liked to see the whole list but still thought worth sharing.

 

Interesting to note Castonzo coming in at 3, with an almost identical grade to Big Q.  I am sure Nelson actually started the year with poor grading over the first few weeks (although it was against tough competition without Castonzo alongside) and so this reflects how well he finished the year.

 

Also, almost goes without saying, but 91.2 grade for your first season back after what Andrew went through......man I love that guy! 

 

Doyle was a huge miss for us after his injury.  He brings so much to almost every facet of our offense and will have been a big miss schematically for Reich.

 

4 out of the 5 listed are from the previous regime's.

[DaveA1102]

25 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:

Very small sample for EB.

 

357 snaps was almost a third of total snaps for 2018. That's quite a decent sample.

 

Nelson only player to play 100% by the way. 

[lollygagger8]

2 hours ago, SteelCityColt said:

You say player X is clearly better than player Y, PFF is trash. I asked you to tell me why you think that. All you've offered so far is "because I say so".

 

I've asked you a few ques, and have yet to get answers but ok.

 

My answer, which I've stated about 3x, is: 

I think Moore is better than Wilson.

I think Mack is better than Hines.

I think Kelly is better than Boehm. 

 

Do you disagree with those statements and agree with PFF's grades that say the opposite? 

 

Why do I make those comments? I simply don't agree with PFF because I think it's a flawed system. I'm perfectly fine with disagreeing, but we don't need a page long post about it. 

 

I don't understand why you are putting so much faith into PFF. Just because something has money behind it, doesn't mean it's good. 

[Lucky Colts Fan]

4 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

I think Moore is better than Wilson.

I think Mack is better than Hines.

I think Kelly is better than Boehm.

 

To be fair, and I'm not disagreeing with you about the players, but you're backing up your opinion about PFF with your opinion about the players.

 

@SteelCityColt was asking for evidence, not opinion.

[lollygagger8]

Just now, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

To be fair, and I'm not disagreeing with you about the players, but you're backing up your opinion about PFF with your opinion about the players.

 

@SteelCityColt was asking for evidence, not opinion.

 

I get it.

 

If anyone wants real actual facts/stats instead of grades on each player we can all google them. 

 

I'm just saying I feel like most of us on here share the same "opinion" of the players (and those in particular that we've been mentioning) on here, while PFF's "grades" say the exact opposite.

 

And if nobody agrees with my opinion, that's cool too. 

 

 

 

 

[Dingus McGirt]

4 hours ago, DaveA1102 said:

 

357 snaps was almost a third of total snaps for 2018. That's quite a decent sample.

 

Nelson only player to play 100% by the way. 

Didn't realize he'd played that many.  Thanks!

[LJpalmbeacher2]

12 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

 

They have Q. Wilson better than Kenny Moore, and Hines > Mack.

 

They also have Cox better than Ebron. 

 

 

I think thats Foolish they have Quincy over Mack!!! Mack has way more rushing yards than Quincy. 

[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

Look at those WR grades after TY (and Inman to some degree), it's pretty atrocious. You really have to respect the fact that Andrew posted such gaudy numbers with essentially practice squad players at most of the WR positions. Can we get some Hakeem Butler's or Nkeal Harry's please? That would allow Inman to play the #3 role, where he's probably better suited anyways. I guarantee that the Colts can land one of Butler, AJ Brown, Samuel, Hollywood Brown, DK Metcalf, Kelvin Harmon, Nkeal Harry, Anthony Johnson, or even Riley Ridley, DeMarkus Lodge, or Parris Campbell with our later pick in the 2nd, allowing the first 2 picks to go to the defensive side of the ball. It would be scary to see Luck's grade if he had a Mahomes-like set of weapons. 

[superrep1967]

On 1/21/2019 at 1:25 PM, lollygagger8 said:

 

See, this is just part of what's wrong with PFF: 

 

They have Q. Wilson better than Kenny Moore, and Hines > Mack.

 

They also have Cox better than Ebron. 

 

Whatta joke. 

Ebron drops the ball too much is why which is very frustrating for me as a fan. 

[SteelCityColt]

I will say I’m surprised Pascal didn’t grade better if only for his blocking.

[DaveA1102]

37 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:

I will say I’m surprised Pascal didn’t grade better if only for his blocking.

 

Pascal should just get 100 grade for the season for this route against the Texans:

 

 

[Valpo2004]

On 1/22/2019 at 3:02 PM, lollygagger8 said:

 

I've asked you a few ques, and have yet to get answers but ok.

 

My answer, which I've stated about 3x, is: 

I think Moore is better than Wilson.

I think Mack is better than Hines.

I think Kelly is better than Boehm. 

 

Do you disagree with those statements and agree with PFF's grades that say the opposite? 

 

Why do I make those comments? I simply don't agree with PFF because I think it's a flawed system. I'm perfectly fine with disagreeing, but we don't need a page long post about it. 

 

I don't understand why you are putting so much faith into PFF. Just because something has money behind it, doesn't mean it's good. 

 

I think you are overlooking something when it comes to PFF grades.  They are just grading the player based on what they are asked to do.  

 

So this is something that comes into play with Mack vs. Hines.  Hines is asked to go out and catch footballs and that is it.  Mack is asked to run the ball and go out and catch footballs.  

 

Hines had a slighly higher grade than Mack at the one thing he's asked to do while Mack is asked to do many things.  In other words this season Hines was slightly better at his one trick than Mack was at EVERYTHING.   The PFF score doesn't take versitility into account.   

 

That's something you have to keep in mind.  A higher PFF grade doesn't mean a better player, it means that they did better at what they are asked to do over what another player was asked to do.  In order to evaluate all of this you have to also know what Mack was asked to do vs. what Hines was asked to do.  And if you know that Mack was asked to do everything while Hines was asked to do only one thing you will realize that Mack is indeed the better player because he did everything almost as good as the guy who was asked to do one thing and one thing only.