Chubb 40 yard time

[JMichael557]

He runs on average 4.8.  RE who are tha slow tend have a tough time in NFL. 

[BOTT]

Just now, JMichael557 said:

He runs on average 4.8.  RE who are tha slow tend have a tough time in NFL. 

Where did you get that?

[Bravo]

If the Colts pick Bradley Chubb (which I hope they do) let's hope they have switched back to a 4-3.

[Everyone]

18 minutes ago, BOTT said:

Where did you get that?

I'm going to assume here http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1006174&draftyear=2018&genpos=de

Chubb hasn't run an official 40 so I'm not sure where they get their numbers but I'd guess they're estimating.

 

Maybe wait until his combine/pro day before making a post about 40 times.

[Boiler_Colt]

Yeah, those are just guesses/projections. The combine will tell the story. That being said I don't expect him to run sub 4.7. I think Key probably will do very well a testing though.

[BOTT]

10 minutes ago, bravo4460 said:

If the Colts pick Bradley Chubb (which I hope they do) let's hope they have switched back to a 4-3.

Doesn't make a difference

[LockeDown]

If we pick Chubb, does a Chubb/Basham combo get'er done?   

[BR-549]

3 minutes ago, LockeDown said:

If we pick Chubb, does a Chubb/Basham combo get'er done?   

Something tells me it won't be anyway near Feeney/ Mathis.... but I hope I am wrong.

[BCoop]

More concerned with his 3-cone time.

 

Bosa ran a 4.86 two years ago. Tamba Hali ran a 4.87 back in 2006. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples as well.

[Bravo]

39 minutes ago, BOTT said:

Doesn't make a difference

 

It does though. Scheme wise.

 

3-4 OLBs have more on their plate than a 4-3 DE in my opinion.

[csmopar]

Shouldn't this be in the draft/Fa section? 

[Superman]

8 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Shouldn't this be in the draft/Fa section? 

 

Yup, I'm moving now.

[Superman]

1 hour ago, Everyone said:

I'm going to assume here http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1006174&draftyear=2018&genpos=de

Chubb hasn't run an official 40 so I'm not sure where they get their numbers but I'd guess they're estimating.

 

Maybe wait until his combine/pro day before making a post about 40 times.

 

Sometimes they'll run on campus prior to the season, but none of those numbers are official and they don't always get published. 

[Superman]

28 minutes ago, BCoop said:

More concerned with his 3-cone time.

 

Bosa ran a 4.86 two years ago.

 

Yup. To me, a good 3 cone offsets a bad 40, for a pass rusher.

[BOTT]

30 minutes ago, BCoop said:

More concerned with his 3-cone time.

 

Bosa ran a 4.86 two years ago. Tamba Hali ran a 4.87 back in 2006. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples as well.

 Bosa also had a good 20 yard split...which is more important than a 40

[NewColtsFan]

 

First.....

 

We won't have to speculate...   Chubb will most likely run both the 40 and the 3-cone drill at the combine...   and he might also do it at his pro day.    So we will know for sure.

 

ALSO...     what his weight is may be a tip-off of what position he prefers...    275 may signal a 4-3 defensive end...    under 270 may signal a willingness to play OLB in a 3-4...     Maybe...   just my speculation..

 

And a reminder that some have already mentioned...   Joey Bosa didn't wow many with his Combine workout a few years back...   and he had turned out far better than anyone predicted...    

 

The player projection business is not nearly as easy some here think it is...   it can be incredibly hard and decisions can make or break a franchise...

 

[richard pallo]

2 hours ago, BCoop said:

More concerned with his 3-cone time.

 

Bosa ran a 4.86 two years ago. Tamba Hali ran a 4.87 back in 2006. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples as well.

Yes, people were not impressed with his 4.86 time but it didn't prevent the Chargers from taking him 3rd. overall.  There are the other intangibles that you have to consider beyond combine times.  If you've got it you've got it.  They thought he had it and they were right. 

[DaColts85]

Joey Bosa also plays a 4-3 DE role.  Chubb looks like this would be his preferred spot for the NFL.  Not sure why so many went with this comparison.  Bosa is not forced to stand up in a 3-4 OLB role like Chubb might. If Chubb works into the hybrid stand up/OLB drills at the combine, this will give you an idea of how fluid and athletic he might be to get to the QB.  Bjorn Werner looked all around terrible but was still forced into this role.  I do not want this to happen again (just saying, not comparing the two).

[Superman]

2 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

Joey Bosa also plays a 4-3 DE role.  Chubb looks like this would be his preferred spot for the NFL.  Not sure why so many went with this comparison.  Bosa is not forced to stand up in a 3-4 OLB role like Chubb might. If Chubb works into the hybrid stand up/OLB drills at the combine, this will give you an idea of how fluid and athletic he might be to get to the QB.  Bjorn Werner looked all around terrible but was still forced into this role.  I do not want this to happen again (just saying, not comparing the two).

 

You're assuming we'll still be running a 3-4 next season. You're also assuming that Chubb has no bend or flexibility like Werner. You're also overlooking the fact -- and this is the most important factor when evaluating pass rushers -- that he actually knows how to rush the passer, unlike Werner. 

[Valpo2004]

If Chubb's combine 40 time is above 4.8 I'm guessing he wouldn't be picked so high.

 

Generally speaking the scouts expect the players with the best tape to be the best athletes.  When they don't test out as that they drop significantly.

 

 

[KB]

Watch the Louisville game. He can be an 3-4 pass rusher.

[Ne-Ca-Higher]

Moves, leverage, and hand use are as important as 20 and 40 yard times, and how do you measure determination and toughness?  Joey Bosa is the complete package and so is his brother Nick.

[DaColts85]

20 hours ago, Superman said:

 

You're assuming we'll still be running a 3-4 next season. You're also assuming that Chubb has no bend or flexibility like Werner. You're also overlooking the fact -- and this is the most important factor when evaluating pass rushers -- that he actually knows how to rush the passer, unlike Werner. 

I mentioned Chubb "might" be in a 3-4.  Werner looked the part for many scouts assuming he stayed in a 4-3 scheme.  He was then forced to stand up here and it was complete garbage for Grigson to make that happen.  I also said we will see what all Chubb can do when the drills take place at the combine (i.e. bend and moves while standing and showing versatility/athleticism).  Do not "assume" to much on my comments.

[Superman]

3 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

I mentioned Chubb "might" be in a 3-4.  Werner looked the part for many scouts assuming he stayed in a 4-3 scheme.  He was then forced to stand up here and it was complete garbage for Grigson to make that happen.  I also said we will see what all Chubb can do when the drills take place at the combine (i.e. bend and moves while standing and showing versatility/athleticism).  Do not "assume" to much on my comments.

 

The assumption was clear and obvious. I know you used the word "might," but the point was simply that the Colts might not even be in a 3-4 next season, making that concern mostly obsolete.

 

At the risk of going back down the Werner rabbit hole, his problem in the NFL wasn't being in a 3-4, it was that he wasn't a good pass rusher. 

[DaColts85]

3 hours ago, Superman said:

 

The assumption was clear and obvious. I know you used the word "might," but the point was simply that the Colts might not even be in a 3-4 next season, making that concern mostly obsolete.

 

At the risk of going back down the Werner rabbit hole, his problem in the NFL wasn't being in a 3-4, it was that he wasn't a good pass rusher. 

Your assumption is clear and obvious as well.  He might be in a 3-4 just as you are trying to say he might be in a 4-3.  Pointless babbling either way.

 

I also do not want to go to in-depth with Werner, but the point remains that during the draft process he was seen as a good pass rusher but more for a 4-3 scheme.  You have the luxury of seeing what he did while he was in the pros.  I am not concerned about that right now as the comparison was made to someone who is about to go through the draft process as Werner did.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

On 12/26/2017 at 3:21 PM, LockeDown said:

If we pick Chubb, does a Chubb/Basham combo get'er done?   

 

It'd be the best duo we've had since Freeney/Mathis, but that's not really saying much.

[DaColts85]

14 hours ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

It'd be the best duo we've had since Freeney/Mathis, but that's not really saying much.

I am perplexed with this comment.  Are you saying that the Freeney/Mathis combo was not that good?  Also, Basham has shown little to nothing and Chubb has never played a NFL snap so I would hold any possibility that they are a fix as a combo.  Simon and Sheard are your starters with Mingo being your starter/rotation guy.  Basham got few snaps due to Simon being out.

[Archer]

True, there is a whole draft process to go through.  But, I watched three straight games of his about midseason, and THAT is a freak athlete.  While he doesn’t have elite speed, the tape shows elite strength and agility, and great speed FOR HIS SIZE.  I’ll take it!

[Hoose]

Well, regardless of what defense the Colts use next year, the combine and pro day for Chubb should answer if he has the special measureables many of us believe he possesses. Bend; speed; power; agility. He is a terrific football player. Perhaps elite. If he tests at a high level it will be tough for the Colts to pass on this guy. 

[coltsnation]

Shouldn't be too worried.  His film shows he's more quick, than he is fast

[Tracy Denton]

On ‎12‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 4:30 PM, JMichael557 said:

He runs on average 4.8.  RE who are tha slow tend have a tough time in NFL. 

Isn't that about what Terrell Suggs ran ?

 

[JMichael557]

He did.  

[stitches]

As others have pointed out the 40 is almost meaningless for EDGE players.

 

Should be looking at 3 cone, 20 shuttle, 10 yard split and the explosion tests(broad jump and vertical jump).

[Valpo2004]

32 minutes ago, stitches said:

As others have pointed out the 40 is almost meaningless for EDGE players.

 

Should be looking at 3 cone, 20 shuttle, 10 yard split and the explosion tests(broad jump and vertical jump).

 

Certainly not the only thing but I wouldn't say meaningless.  If he beats his block the QB might try to run away from him and his straight line speed could be the difference between if the QB gets away or not.  

 

Not meaningless but I wouldn't consider it the #1 test either.  

[stitches]

1 minute ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

Certainly not the only thing but I wouldn't say meaningless.  If he beats his block the QB might try to run away from him and his straight line speed could be the difference between if the QB gets away or not.  

 

Not meaningless but I wouldn't consider it the #1 test either.  

That's why I said ALMOST... but how many times does it really happen when an EDGE player needs to run more than 10-15 yards after a QB

[Valpo2004]

10 minutes ago, stitches said:

That's why I said ALMOST... but how many times does it really happen when an EDGE player needs to run more than 10-15 yards after a QB

 

Happens pretty fairly often if he beats his man and the QB flushes out of the pocket.  He'll usually run towards the sideline trying to either find a man or get out of the pocket and throw the ball away.  The faster you can get there the faster he has to make a decision the more likely it is to be the wrong one.

 

But obviously beating the guy trying to block you needs to happen first.  

[BOTT]

2 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

Happens pretty fairly often if he beats his man and the QB flushes out of the pocket.  He'll usually run towards the sideline trying to either find a man or get out of the pocket and throw the ball away.  The faster you can get there the faster he has to make a decision the more likely it is to be the wrong one.

 

But obviously beating the guy trying to block you needs to happen first.  

The field is only 50 yards wide, he not often chasing him more than half that.

[Valpo2004]

1 hour ago, BOTT said:

The field is only 50 yards wide, he not often chasing him more than half that.

 

You would recognize that is more then 10 to 15 yards.  

 

It's not about how long it takes him to 40 yards, it's mostly about if his straight line speed can get him there or not.