Luck perhaps a LONG way off....

[IinD]

8 minutes ago, mahagga73 said:

Well, if he doesn't get out there soon , it's going to be a lost season. The season ticket holders will have grounds to be * also. This will be the second time they fibbed repeatedly about  the QB health and return. First with Manning in the neck injury season and now this year.  

At this point it's definitely all speculation honestly. One of the networks wants to be correct so they keep throwing out guesses. 

 

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he doesn't come back or if he does it's in December for a few games to get back in the groove and ready for next year.

 

In the end the Colts are a business and businesses lie unfortunately. 

[IinD]

3 minutes ago, mahagga73 said:

I was literally sitting about 20 yards off the field when he missed that. Was sick. Best team they ever had in Indy , way better than the SB winner.  But that's football , best team doesn't always win. They would have killed Denver and Seattle . For some reason the Oline choked that game.  

Pitts D line was like a pack of hungry dogs that day. They literally ate our lunch.

[Malakai432]

Just got a BR update that he's ruled out against the Titans.  Wonder how far along he is?   Obviously they don't rush him back rightfully so, but wonder how long he would be before he's medically cleared, or technically is he already medically cleared?  

[TheRustonRifle#7]

14 minutes ago, Malakai432 said:

Just got a BR update that he's ruled out against the Titans.  Wonder how far along he is?   Obviously they don't rush him back rightfully so, but wonder how long he would be before he's medically cleared, or technically is he already medically cleared?  

Everthing reported said that 2 to 3 weeks of practice were needed before he started.  Well he practiced last week but he was limited...missed Thursday.  I am guessing until he can string 2 full weeks of unlimited practices together, that will be the litmus test?

[AustexColt]

Whenever Luck comes back to play it will take at least two games before he gets rolling.... just like Cam Newton. I think JB is doing a nice job. I think the players are getting more comfortable with him pulling the trigger. He just has to stop making mistakes late in the game.

[Malakai432]

46 minutes ago, TheRustonRifle#7 said:

Everthing reported said that 2 to 3 weeks of practice were needed before he started.  Well he practiced last week but he was limited...missed Thursday.  I am guessing until he can string 2 full weeks of unlimited practices together, that will be the litmus test?

 

Yeah they were just talking about him on JMV.  I believe Kevin Bowen said he still thinks he will be out for several weeks. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

It would be great if he can be back by the Jax game, that is what the 22nd?

[Malakai432]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

It would be great if he can be back by the Jax game, that is what the 22nd?

 

Yeah the 22nd which to me just sounds too soon, hopefully not though.  At this point in time I have no idea what's going on  . 

[csmopar]

https://www.wthr.com/article/andrew-luck-ruled-out-for-monday-nights-game-at-tennessee

[Defjamz26]

I don't think anyone should expect him back before the bye week.

[ColtsBlueFL]

6 hours ago, mahagga73 said:

Well, if he doesn't get out there soon , it's going to be a lost season. 

 

I know it's hard for fans to understand... medical people do not make health decisions based upon team record.  It takes 3 sources, in agreement to get a player back on the field -

 

1. Team head physician / player surgeon - medically clears player for team drills

2. Player 'tests' injured part, and deems fit for action

3. Coaches test player's ability to carry out assignments with quality technique and achieve desired results.

 

It takes a consensus of all three these days.

[jvan1973]

On 10/8/2017 at 8:33 PM, Jared Cisneros said:

Everyone is an armchair GM on their way up, because at one point, you have no knowledge of how to be a GM and start from scratch. No one is IMMUNE to that, NO ONE. Everyone was in my position at one point that is now a GM, and if someone gets into football and works hard enough, they can make it, and you can't say otherwise.

Most played high school ball. 

Most coached for free on many different levels. 

Most were scouts at some point for a long time.    

Most don't start out thinking they will ever be a GM

 

How many of those do you fall into?

[Yoshinator]

3 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Most played high school ball. 

Most coached for free on many different levels. 

Most were scouts at some point for a long time.    

Most don't start out thinking they will ever be a GM

 

How many of those do you fall into?

Doesn't matter if you played high school ball

A coach is not a GM

I agree that most were scouts for a long time, and before that, they were basic football fans not in the NFL business.

Not sure what your point is on the last one.

 

What I do know is that you somehow think that Chris Ballard and every other current GM became a qualified GM when they came out of the womb. You can either say no to that and admit you're wrong, yes to that and look stupid, ignore it (like you usually conveniently ignore people's good points against your arguments) and put your tail between your legs, or be a man and admit you're wrong and were just trying to tear me down. You have no argument here, and you aren't going to convince someone like me otherwise who is smart to the business, can't manipulate me.

[Chrisaaron1023]

.. taken off the PUP list so fast before the season started. Wasn't even throwing yet.. but good way to get us excited for? I know nobody can predict the future, but why him get taken off the PUP list?

[SteelCityColt]

26 minutes ago, Chrisaaron1023 said:

.. taken off the PUP list so fast before the season started. Wasn't even throwing yet.. but good way to get us excited for? I know nobody can predict the future, but why him get taken off the PUP list?

 

I believe, and don’t quote me as I cba to look it up if I’m honest, he wouldn’t have been able to practice at this point if he had been on the PUP list.

 

@ColtsBlueFL is the man who can answer this more correctly I’m sure.

[jvan1973]

5 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Doesn't matter if you played high school ball

A coach is not a GM

I agree that most were scouts for a long time, and before that, they were basic football fans not in the NFL business.

Not sure what your point is on the last one.

 

What I do know is that you somehow think that Chris Ballard and every other current GM became a qualified GM when they came out of the womb. You can either say no to that and admit you're wrong, yes to that and look stupid, ignore it (like you usually conveniently ignore people's good points against your arguments) and put your tail between your legs, or be a man and admit you're wrong and were just trying to tear me down. You have no argument here, and you aren't going to convince someone like me otherwise who is smart to the business, can't manipulate me.

Actually I'm saying the exact opposite.    I'm saying becoming a gm is a long process.    They don't just all of a sudden become a gm.  Lots of work and many years involved.   Not watching YouTube

[Chrisaaron1023]

8 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

I believe, and don’t quote me as I cba to look it up if I’m honest, he wouldn’t have been able to practice at this point if he had been on the PUP list.

 

@ColtsBlueFL is the man who can answer this more correctly I’m sure.

No problem, I'm wasn't all that aware of the PUP rules. I just remember we all got our hopes up when he was taken off haha.

 

Get well soon my man!

[ColtsGermany]

I think if AL is back by week 12 it won't be that bad. We have nothing to loose this season. So we shouldn't get him back on the field too soon.  If we go 6 - 10 or smthng like that with JB playing till week 12 or 13....good... better draft position. If JB improves and gets us to 8-8 or better.... Great too, better trade value for him (if someone tries to get after him). Imo as long as AL is healthy long term, the better it is. Even if that means he's out another 3,4 or more weeks. I want him to play at full health for the next 6 or more years... Not only the rest of the season or less. 

[Yoshinator]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Actually I'm saying the exact opposite.    I'm saying becoming a gm is a long process.    They don't just all of a sudden become a gm.  Lots of work and many years involved.   Not watching YouTube

Well, I've already admitted that there is a long process involved. Going to college to get a degree, becoming a scout, than an assistant GM, and finally trying to become one of 32 GM's in the league, could take a long time. My argument is simply anyone young and with the drive has a chance. You are probably right it won't be me, however, I guarantee you the age average will continue to go down for the average GM, just as it has for the average coach. That won't be from ex players becoming GM's, that'll be from average people going through the process as early as teenagers and making it to the GM spot in their 30s. Sean Mcvay is already a 30 year Rams coach before he just turned 31, so it's happening on the Coach front, expect it to happen on the GM front. Theo Epstein was never a player in baseball, just an Ivy league guy who believed in Sabremetrics. The coaches are getting covered in the sports world by smart guys rather than jocks more rapidly, and it'll soon take over the GM jobs as well. I would bet money there will be a GM that is 35 or younger in the next 5 years that isn't an ex player. Just a real smart guy who has been a fan at one point, but working his way up since being a teenager. 

[crazycolt1]

2 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Well, I've already admitted that there is a long process involved. Going to college to get a degree, becoming a scout, than an assistant GM, and finally trying to become one of 32 GM's in the league, could take a long time. My argument is simply anyone young and with the drive has a chance. You are probably right it won't be me, however, I guarantee you the age average will continue to go down for the average GM, just as it has for the average coach. That won't be from ex players becoming GM's, that'll be from average people going through the process as early as teenagers and making it to the GM spot in their 30s. Sean Mcvay is already a 30 year Rams coach before he just turned 31, so it's happening on the Coach front, expect it to happen on the coach front. Theo Epstein was never a player in baseball, just an Ivy league guy who believed in Sabremetrics. The coaches are getting covered in the sports world by smart guys rather than jocks more rapidly, and it'll soon take over the GM jobs as well. I would bet money there will be a GM that is 35 or younger in the next 5 years that isn't an ex player. Just a real smart guy who has been a fan at one point, but working his way up since being a teenager. 

You sure have a hard time at letting go of something. All over a simple comment made about all the Monday morning coaches and GMs in this forum? Really?

[Yoshinator]

2 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

You sure have a hard time at letting go of something. All over a simple comment made about all the Monday morning coaches and GMs in this forum? Really?

Yep, I don't like getting insulted. It's like arguing that only gamblers can go to a casino, and there's no room for smart strategies. That line of thinking is old and outdated, just like the logic is outdated that the GM roles are only reserved for ex players. You don't see that at any other sport, and it doesn't work for football either. I'm not going to be Jvan's personal punching bag like so many on here are. I don't get bullied, I know my reputation on here come draft time, and it's better than most active GM's. 

[jvan1973]

4 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

 I know my reputation on here come draft time, and it's better than most active GM's. 

[crazycolt1]

3 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Yep, I don't like getting insulted. It's like arguing that only gamblers can go to a casino, and there's no room for smart strategies. That line of thinking is old and outdated, just like the logic is outdated that the GM roles are only reserved for ex players. You don't see that at any other sport, and it doesn't work for football either. I'm not going to be Jvan's personal punching bag like so many on here are. I don't get bullied, I know my reputation on here come draft time, and it's better than most active GM's. 

This is not meant as an insult but this is a fan forum. Getting bent out of shape over a common statement and take it to the limit you have does nothing but waist time for all of us reading it. If you have a problem with anyone there is an ignore mode that has easy access. I have used it and continue to. Just chill out.

[jskinnz]

9 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Yep, I don't like getting insulted. It's like arguing that only gamblers can go to a casino, and there's no room for smart strategies. That line of thinking is old and outdated, just like the logic is outdated that the GM roles are only reserved for ex players. You don't see that at any other sport, and it doesn't work for football either. I'm not going to be Jvan's personal punching bag like so many on here are. I don't get bullied, I know my reputation on here come draft time, and it's better than most active GM's. 

 

Oh Dear God...

 

[Yoshinator]

2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Ask some people smartmouth, sure better than your boy Grigson. You are really falling off to have to use pictures. I forgot, according to you, only ex players can become GM's. Oh wait, how does that work out? Oh, and thanks for cherrypicking one sentence out of my paragraph, that's what you do best. It's about checkmate on you. 

[jvan1973]

4 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Ask some people smartmouth, sure better than your boy Grigson. You are really falling off to have to use pictures. I forgot, according to you, only ex players can become GM's. Oh wait, how does that work out? Oh, and thanks for cherrypicking one sentence out of my paragraph, that's what you do best. It's about checkmate on you. 

It was such complete nonsense that it needed to be separated from the rest of the post.   Comedy gold  I say.

 

And grigson was Jim's boy,  not mine. 

 

Also,   what people should I be asking if you're better at picking draft picks than most GMs?

 

 

[jskinnz]

2 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Ask some people smartmouth, sure better than your boy Grigson. You are really falling off to have to use pictures. I forgot, according to you, only ex players can become GM's. Oh wait, how does that work out? Oh, and thanks for cherrypicking one sentence out of my paragraph, that's what you do best. It's about checkmate on you. 

 

There is quite literally no one on this board who would agree that you have a better reputation than most active GM's.

[Yoshinator]

3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

This is not meant as an insult but this is a fan forum. Getting bent out of shape over a common statement and take it to the limit you have does nothing but waist time for all of us reading it. If you have a problem with anyone there is an ignore mode that has easy access. I have used it and continue to. Just chill out.

I don't want to ignore him, I want him to admit he's wrong and apologize. He's a good poster. He's just doing his usual cherry picking and ignoring most of my statements, he's trying to teach me a lesson, but It won't work. I realize it's a fan forum, but at least have some fluid argument, and he doesn't. Football experience doesn't help you become a GM as college players don't replicate every year, they are completely different. Two different people will still be studying the same new players, and being an ex player doesn't give you any advantage, in fact, Jvan can't prove that. Most ex player GM's are failures.

[jvan1973]

2 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I don't want to ignore him, I want him to admit he's wrong and apologize. He's a good poster. He's just doing his usual cherry picking and ignoring most of my statements, he's trying to teach me a lesson, but It won't work. I realize it's a fan forum, but at least have some fluid argument, and he doesn't. Football experience doesn't help you become a GM as college players don't replicate every year, they are completely different. Two different people will still be studying the same new players, and being an ex player doesn't give you any advantage, in fact, Jvan can't prove that. Most ex player GM's are failures.

 name one gm that never played at least high school football?

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

It was such complete nonsense that it needed to be separated from the rest of the post.   Comedy gold  I say.

 

And grigson was Jim's boy,  not mine. 

 

 

You're comedy gold, keep believing your old school ways, the GM world will soon be filled with young analytics GM's and you'll probably be oblivious to it. You don't even realize what someone like theo epstein has done just as a stats guy or sean mcvay made it so quick. Keep thinking how you do though.

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

 name one gm that never played at least high school football?

That is literally the dumbest argument you have come up with yet. High school football literally doesn't prepare you at all for becoming a GM, and it hurts your case worse that even someone like me has played high school football. That's the one level all the "armchair GM's" have played. That hurts your case a lot. You didn't think that one through.

[jvan1973]

3 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

You're comedy gold, keep believing your old school ways, the GM world will soon be filled with young analytics GM's and you'll probably be oblivious to it. You don't even realize what someone like theo epstein has done just as a stats guy or sean mcvay made it so quick. Keep thinking how you do though.

Mcvay made it quickly,   but he has been around football his whole life

[jvan1973]

Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

That is literally the dumbest argument you have come up with yet. High school football literally doesn't prepare you at all for becoming a GM, and it hurts your case worse that even someone like me has played high school football. That's the one level all the "armchair GM's" have played. That hurts your case a lot. You didn't think that one through.

You know ,  you're right.   You'll be a gm any day now.    

[Yoshinator]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

Mcvay made it quickly,   but he has been around football his whole life

How quickly could he have started? Since he was 18? I mean that in the fact of getting some type of coaching job. He literally made it in 12 years. Football growing up and 10-12 years of working up the ladder, that's what it takes, maybe slightly more for a GM if you're good at it. That's not unobtainable if given the chance.

[Yoshinator]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

You know ,  you're right.   You'll be a gm any day now.    

Maybe not, but someone like me sure will, and you'll be defending them ironically. How does high school football help you become a GM again? Please answer this. 

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Maybe not, but someone like me sure will, and you'll be defending them ironically. How does high school football help you become a GM again? Please answer this. 

Growing up around the game,  having a passion for it at a young age.  The actual act of playing high school ball isn't the point

[jvan1973]

5 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

How quickly could he have started? Since he was 18? I mean that in the fact of getting some type of coaching job. He literally made it in 12 years. Football growing up and 10-12 years of working up the ladder, that's what it takes, maybe slightly more for a GM if you're good at it. That's not unobtainable if given the chance.

His grand father was the 49ers general manager.   His dad played college ball.   He has been around the game in a big way his whole life

[Yoshinator]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

Growing up around the game,  having a passion for it at a young age.  The actual act of playing high school ball isn't the point

Casuals fans that are in high school have this too. This is basically the definition of an armchair fan that is young. You are just agreeing with me now. However, each draft is different and players don't recycle, so you still have to learn how to be a GM to properly learn skills on how to properly judge individual talent. That starts with being a scout, and young fans that have aspirations to become GM's do this, and yes, none have experience right away and are armchair GM's at that point watching the draft just like you and me. Just younger with more time on their side.

[Yoshinator]

2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

His grand father was the 49ers general manager.   His dad played college ball.   He has been around the game in a big way his whole life

When did he really start understanding it a high level? Maybe when he was 13? So that gives him 5 extra years ahead of others to understand the business. However, I would still bet he didn't get a coaching gig of some kind until he was 18, maybe in the college level. You can only start so early, and the advantage is really minimal, even with family bloodlines. 

[SteelCityColt]

36 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Yep, I don't like getting insulted. It's like arguing that only gamblers can go to a casino, and there's no room for smart strategies. That line of thinking is old and outdated, just like the logic is outdated that the GM roles are only reserved for ex players. You don't see that at any other sport, and it doesn't work for football either. I'm not going to be Jvan's personal punching bag like so many on here are. I don't get bullied, I know my reputation on here come draft time, and it's better than most active GM's. 

 

I’d love to hear about these strategies if your talking about playing house games, there’s literally one (legal) viable strategy and even this is being slowly taken out the equation. 

 

As for the rest of this back and forth.. if you’re going to make big bold statements along the lines of being as good a talent evaluator as some active GMs you have to be prepared to defend that statement with some proof, not just acting insulted because someone has questioned it.

 

In the nicest way, you get hung up on things sometimes. Take a breath, re-examine the comments, and try explaining with examples.