Are the Colts tanking?

[Pacergeek]

After deciding to waive Stephen Morris, and keeping Scott Tolzien, it appears the Colts are tanking. After pre-season, it was obvious that Morris was the better player. Having Tolzien as your starter, instead of Morris, gives the Colts a better chance of losing. If you believe that Scott gives us the same or even better chances of winning, then you are free to have your opinion, but would be incorrect.

 

Ballard inherited a mess of a roster, and implied during his introductory press conferences that this was going to take time. In terms of winning games, Ballard didn't have any sense of urgency. 

 

If Luck will miss extended time, tanking makes sense. Our defense is horrible, and we need a star player on defense to get the ball rolling. Best place to find a star defender is picking high in the draft. 

[TheOptimist88]

We're tanking because of a QB3 move? 

[IndyScribe]

I don't think you understand what tanking is. What the Jets or Bills are doing is tanking. Colts are rebuilding. No one in their right mind would tank with Luck. Waiving Morris and keeping Tolzien isn't that big of a deal. Brissett is going to be the backup, and Tolzien is a veteran who has more experience. Ballard has been working on the defense. There are lots of young, talented pieces on it, although it still has some holes. 

[MR. Blueblood]

In before the lock.  Horrible thread, btw.

[NextGenerationLuck]

Just take a breather, everything is going to work out fine. 

[crazycolt1]

11 minutes ago, Pacergeek said:

After deciding to waive Stephen Morris, and keeping Scott Tolzien, it appears the Colts are tanking. After pre-season, it was obvious that Morris was the better player. Having Tolzien as your starter, instead of Morris, gives the Colts a better chance of losing. If you believe that Scott gives us the same or even better chances of winning, then you are free to have your opinion, but would be incorrect.

 

Ballard inherited a mess of a roster, and implied during his introductory press conferences that this was going to take time. In terms of winning games, Ballard didn't have any sense of urgency. 

 

If Luck will miss extended time, tanking makes sense. Our defense is horrible, and we need a star player on defense to get the ball rolling. Best place to find a star defender is picking high in the draft. 

IMO if Irsay thought for one second this team was tanking he would fire everyone from Ballard all the way down to the equipment men.

[Gramz]

[Bluesmith]

I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said.  That is all I can say I guess.  This team is leaps and bounds better than the 2016 team.

[Pacergeek]

9 minutes ago, IndyScribe said:

I don't think you understand what tanking is. What the Jets or Bills are doing is tanking. Colts are rebuilding. No one in their right mind would tank with Luck. Waiving Morris and keeping Tolzien isn't that big of a deal. Brissett is going to be the backup, and Tolzien is a veteran who has more experience. Ballard has been working on the defense. There are lots of young, talented pieces on it, although it still has some holes. 

If you want to beat the Rams, don't you start Morris? Starting Tolzien gives us better chance of losing. 

[Pacergeek]

3 minutes ago, Bluesmith said:

I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said.  That is all I can say I guess.  This team is leaps and bounds better than the 2016 team.

This team will not win more than 8 games

[Old Colt]

2 minutes ago, Bluesmith said:

I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said.  That is all I can say I guess.  This team is leaps and bounds better than the 2016 team.

Bar is pretty low if  if 2016 is the comparison... but 8-8 May be realistic with these coaches.

[Bluesmith]

1 minute ago, Pacergeek said:

If you want to beat the Rams, don't you start Morris? Starting Tolzien gives us better chance of losing. 

So the crux of all this is Tolzien over Morris.  If that is your proof that we are tanking, then I stand by my original statement.  Especially considering that we traded for Brissett.

[superrep1967]

16 minutes ago, Pacergeek said:

After deciding to waive Stephen Morris, and keeping Scott Tolzien, it appears the Colts are tanking. After pre-season, it was obvious that Morris was the better player. Having Tolzien as your starter, instead of Morris, gives the Colts a better chance of losing. If you believe that Scott gives us the same or even better chances of winning, then you are free to have your opinion, but would be incorrect.

 

Ballard inherited a mess of a roster, and implied during his introductory press conferences that this was going to take time. In terms of winning games, Ballard didn't have any sense of urgency. 

 

If Luck will miss extended time, tanking makes sense. Our defense is horrible, and we need a star player on defense to get the ball rolling. Best place to find a star defender is picking high in the draft. 

Well, taking Daniels over Williams when Daniels can't catch the ball tells you something. 

[superrep1967]

8 minutes ago, Bluesmith said:

I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said.  That is all I can say I guess.  This team is leaps and bounds better than the 2016 team.

I do think your right about that. 

[Bluesmith]

1 minute ago, superrep1967 said:

Well, taking Daniels over Williams when Daniels can't catch the ball tells you something. 

Shoot, I stand corrected, Tolzien and Daniels over Morris and Williams is definitive proof.  /sarcasm

[Pacergeek]

3 minutes ago, Bluesmith said:

So the crux of all this is Tolzien over Morris.  If that is your proof that we are tanking, then I stand by my original statement.  Especially considering that we traded for Brissett.

If the Colts are serious about winning, then they do whatever it takes to make sure Tolzien doesn't start against Los Angeles.

[Gramz]

To answer your question....  No,  We are not  "tanking".     Good Grief.

[superrep1967]

Just now, Bluesmith said:

Shoot, I stand corrected, Tolzien and Daniels over Morris and Williams is definitive proof.  /sarcasm

You're probably right but it is hard to understand some of these moves. 

[Bluesmith]

Just now, superrep1967 said:

You're probably right but it is hard to understand some of these moves. 

Now this I can get behind.  We don't understand why Tolzien won over Morris, but can we at least agree it isn't to tank the season?

[superrep1967]

Just now, Bluesmith said:

Now this I can get behind.  We don't understand why Tolzien won over Morris, but can we at least agree it isn't to tank the season?

Of course not but it is puzzling. 

[Pacergeek]

Ballard knows more about football than anyone here. He has to know that Tolzien sucks. It isn't like we are talking about a QB that has had prior success, like Fitzpatrick. What possible incentive would Ballard have to keep Scott on the roster?

[buccolts]

Mind numbing day.

Glad it's almost over.

 

[Bluesmith]

1 minute ago, Pacergeek said:

Ballard knows more about football than anyone here. He has to know that Tolzien sucks. It isn't like we are talking about a QB that has had prior success, like Fitzpatrick. What possible incentive would Ballard have to keep Scott on the roster?

Just to be sure I understand you correctly, you concede that Ballard knows football more than any of us combined, but for some reason, in his inaugural season, he has decided to make roster moves that will "tank" our season.  Is it possible that there is some information that we arent privy to by watching backups vs backups in meaningless preseason games instead of some foil hat nonsense?

[Pacergeek]

1 minute ago, Bluesmith said:

Just to be sure I understand you correctly, you concede that Ballard knows football more than any of us combined, but for some reason, in his inaugural season, he has decided to make roster moves that will "tank" our season.  Is it possible that there is some information that we arent privy to by watching backups vs backups in meaningless preseason games instead of some foil hat nonsense?

There is no possible way that Tolzien is better than Morris. What kind of information are you referring to?

[Bluesmith]

In the third preseason game, there was no noticeable difference between Tolzien and Morris.  This is the only game where something above a vanilla game plan is installed.  Even if you concede that Morris slightly outplayed Tolzien in that game, how in the wild wild world of sports do you conflate that to tanking the season?

[Colts1324]

People need to remember, coaches see the players practice every day. We don't. I do not like Tolzien as our backup, but I really don't think Morris is a capable QB2 either. That is why we made a trade. If we traded someone like Mewhort or Hilton, then I would be worried we were tanking. 

[SaturdayAllDay]

13 minutes ago, Pacergeek said:

There is no possible way that Tolzien is better than Morris. What kind of information are you referring to?

Morris' grasp on the playbook, how he looks in practice, effort put forth in training room/ film room. Lots of information that we as fans dont see. There was obviously something going on behind the scenes that the coaches/ballard didnt like. He was even behind Walker for much of camp. 

 

You say Ballard knows more than any of us, so trust that he knows something that you dont. 

[Pacergeek]

1 minute ago, SaturdayAllDay said:

Morris' grasp on the playbook, how he looks in practice, effort put forth in training room/ film room. Lots of information that we as fans dont see. There was obviously something going on behind the scenes that the coaches/ballard didnt like. He was even behind Walker for much of camp. 

 

You say Ballard knows more than any of us, so trust that he knows something that you dont. 

Those are all poor reasons to give Scott the job over Stephen. 

[TKnight24]

Tank Season!!!!

 

 

 

[ColtsUrUs]

WIsh there was a dislike button. 

 

[ColtsBlitz]

If you're going to post negativity, go join the Browns fan club. Plenty to actually complain about there. 

[buccolts]

13 minutes ago, Pacergeek said:

Those are all poor reasons to give Scott the job over Stephen. 

 

Now, that there's funny.

I don't care who you are.

[GoColts8818]

No they are building for the future.  That doesn't happen overnight or in this case one off-season.

[PrincetonTiger]

The Sky is not falling and Everything Will Be Okay 

[ricker182]

1 hour ago, Bluesmith said:

I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said.  That is all I can say I guess.  This team is leaps and bounds better than the 2016 team.

Leaps and bounds?  

No way.

[ricker182]

1 hour ago, Pacergeek said:

This team will not win more than 8 games

This team is worse than the 2016 team IMO. Especially with the injuries.

[Shive]

1 hour ago, Pacergeek said:

This team will not win more than 8 games

QFT. We'll come back to this in a year.

[GoColts8818]

1 hour ago, IndyScribe said:

I don't think you understand what tanking is. What the Jets or Bills are doing is tanking. Colts are rebuilding. No one in their right mind would tank with Luck. Waiving Morris and keeping Tolzien isn't that big of a deal. Brissett is going to be the backup, and Tolzien is a veteran who has more experience. Ballard has been working on the defense. There are lots of young, talented pieces on it, although it still has some holes. 

Right they know Tolizen knows the offense and can hold the fort down until Luck is ready to go or Brissett learns the offense.  The only meaningful game he's played since he got here Tolizen held his own.  I think he is underrated by the fans here and Morris is overrated.  Don't get me wrong there is a reason the Colts brought in Brissett and it wasn't to be a third string QB.  I just don't think the battle between Tolizen and Morris was ever that close in the Colts eyes. They pretty much proved that when Morris was behind Walker on the depth chart the first two weeks of the pre-season.  

[NewColtsFan]

 

I'd like to personally thank each and every poster who disagreed with the OP.

 

A sincere thank you to everyone here....

 

Tanking?!?      Of course,  it came from one of our ususal suspects....

 

Oh, Dear God......         

[PrincetonTiger]

There is only one GM that would have the ability to tank and he is not in Indiana