Tsarquise Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 If this is true, it is, indeed, depressing. Let's hope Irsay can still make the Peyton deal happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 The same people believing this are the same ones who believed yesterday's random tweet that pagano would be fired today. Somehow the connection never gets made though. These are the people who are out there in charge of the real world. Yikes. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffensivelyPC Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 As I've stated above, let's not get carried away here - this "blog's" first published articles are from about a week ago. Nothing to really see here. It's all speculation, really. What isn't speculation is the author's own two cents, some of it makes sense, but only if the underlying rumors are true (and we don't know how much of it is true) and a lot of it doesn't make much sense. His thought process makes sense, but some things (i.e. what his finance source said) really don't. It'd have the same authority as if someone just posted their thoughts on here in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grmasterb Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, DalTXColtsFan said: I'm absolutely stunned that there are people taking this seriously. I'm not, considering how many people believe fake news these days. Just look at Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 56 minutes ago, csmopar said: there were rumors on twitter last year of an affair between Grigs and one of the Irsay girls. but there was never any proof of it other than talk. Just because someone said something on Twitter doesn't mean it should be repeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDee1975 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Makes sense: Irsay is so loyal to Grigson that he attempted to bring in a guy to replace Grigson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamboat_Shaun Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Not so subtle shot at this article... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisticuffs111 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 That's what I figured Wells was doing too. A lot of his tweets came minutes after JMV said something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB-ColtsFan Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Steamboat_Shaun said: Their source clearly has a nice cushy job within the organization, and would stand to lose that job if their name was made public. Let's take that thought one step further. I can only imagine a select few would be aware of said "information" and of the negotiations much less the mindset of Jim during the negotiations. How difficult do you think it would be for Jim to figure out who the leak is? Would you risk your job for leaking it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoolMagnet Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, OffensivelyPC said: Not knocking the article - haven't read it, yet - but who are these guys? Never heard of them or seen a link to anything from them before. They live in a van down by the river where they do their podcasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamboat_Shaun Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said: Let's take that thought one step further. I can only imagine a select few would be aware of said "information" and of the negotiations much less the mindset of Jim during the negotiations. How difficult do you think it would be for Jim to figure out who the leak is? Would you risk your job for leaking it? Would I personally do that? Probably not, NFL jobs aren't exactly a dime a dozen, and once you burn a bridge, it's likely that you'll have to find a new line of work. It's hard to imagine what this source would get out of leaking the info too. You'd assume that there's some quid pro quo arrangement, but what would be worth risking your job just so someone on Twitter gets to put info out to all of his followers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Steamboat_Shaun said: This is infuriating... "I can’t pretend to know why exactly Ryan Grigson has ingratiated himself so dearly to the Irsay daughters and Jim. My source has attempted to get that very answer, and in the end, it seems to be insanely simple. It seems that Jim Irsay sees Ryan Grigson as the son he never had. He always desperately wanted a son that played football that he could pass along the family business to, however had three daughters.That is an insane reason to cloud your business judgment to the point that you ignore horrible job performance. Again, the franchise is a cluster under the Irsays.I’m going to shoot you straight. Well, not that I’ve been sparing details anyway. Here is the ultimate truth: Peyton Manning isn’t coming. You really want to know why? Jim Irsay’s ego can’t tolerate bringing Manning in as a partner. Jim is Mr. Horseshoe, and not Peyton Manning, Bill Polian or Unitas himself is going to change that." This all sounds like an opinion piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffensivelyPC Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, WoolMagnet said: They live in a van down by the river where they do their podcasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamboat_Shaun Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, jvan1973 said: This all sounds like an opinion piece. Possibly. I just saw it and assumed people here would want to read it. Is that not the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Steamboat_Shaun said: Possibly. I just saw it and assumed people here would want to read it. Is that not the case? The title of the article is misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy1888 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said: Not so subtle shot at this article... So JMV's producer is admitting that all this information is actually from JMV himself? Must be accurate then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 23 minutes ago, Superman said: Just because someone said something on Twitter doesn't mean it should be repeated. that was kind of the point i was getting at.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 "I'm going to tell you a story." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamboat_Shaun Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: The title of the article is misleading. I can't do much about that, but I tried to make sure the thread title implied that it could be taken with a grain of salt until more information comes to the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB-ColtsFan Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said: Would I personally do that? Probably not, NFL jobs aren't exactly a dime a dozen, and once you burn a bridge, it's likely that you'll have to find a new line of work. It's hard to imagine what this source would get out of leaking the info too. You'd assume that there's some quid pro quo arrangement, but what would be worth risking your job just so someone on Twitter gets to put info out to all of his followers? Exactly. I don't buy any of this rumor stuff. Too easy for someone to say it's true and everyone who WANTS it to be true starts passing it off as fact. Well, heck, it's on the internet, so... Meanwhile people's click counts increase and short term glory is attained. Pfft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyD4U Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 So some Dingleberries from Plymouth Indiana are breaking this "Real" story. Come on, people I'll take the common sense approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creekside Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I have no bias as to whether or not Grigson/Pagano stay or go. But I don't believe this tale is based on inside information. I believe it is concocted from bits and pieces of rumor already suggested. Here's why I don't believe it: After the 2nd Houston loss that essentially knocked the Colts out of the playoffs, Irsay gave an interview where he was composed and said there would probably be no changes. But, according to this guy, after the Oakland loss, "Irsay was beside himself".... I don't believe it. Most Colts fans including Jim Irsay expected the Colts to lose that game. But here is this guy's most ridiculous "inside scoop": "It seems that Jim Irsay sees Ryan Grigson as the son he never had. He always desperately wanted a son." I personally do not care if some, or all of this story is true, but I don't believe this guy has any more inside information that we do. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 21 minutes ago, csmopar said: that was kind of the point i was getting at.... Cool... People have been repeating that for a couple years now. I find it very annoying, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smonroe Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 40 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said: Let's take that thought one step further. I can only imagine a select few would be aware of said "information" and of the negotiations much less the mindset of Jim during the negotiations. How difficult do you think it would be for Jim to figure out who the leak is? Would you risk your job for leaking it? Why can't people get that? Let's face it, real 'leaks' are intentional 99% of the time. One side or the other wants the story to get out in order to improve bargaining power or sway public opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameszeigler834 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Jason_S said: well what you just read was a bunch of unsubstantiated hearsay....but judge based on whatever evidence you want I suppose. That pretty much summed up the whole story for me clearly there was something going on and irsay could have made that deal but instead was an ego maniac and screwed it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said: That pretty much summed up the whole story for me clearly there was something going on and irsay could have made that deal but instead was an ego maniac and screwed it up. It's just as likely gruden and peyton weren't interested and had nothing to do with grigson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said: That pretty much summed up the whole story for me clearly there was something going on and irsay could have made that deal but instead was an ego maniac and screwed it up. do you know what the words "unsubstantiated" and "hearsay" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy1888 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, egg said: I have no bias as to whether or not Grigson/Pagano stay or go. But I don't believe this tale is based on inside information. I believe it is concocted from bits and pieces of rumor already suggested. Here's why I don't believe it: After the 2nd Houston loss that essentially knocked the Colts out of the playoffs, Irsay gave an interview where he was composed and said there would probably be no changes. But, according to this guy, after the Oakland loss, "Irsay was beside himself".... I don't believe it. Most Colts fans including Jim Irsay expected the Colts to lose that game. But here is this guy's most ridiculous "inside scoop": "It seems that Jim Irsay sees Ryan Grigson as the son he never had. He always desperately wanted a son." I personally do not care if some, or all of this story is true, but I don't believe this guy has any more inside information that we do. I I would believe that Irsay was really angry, Adam Schefter reported that he was before the last game of the season. And Irsay obviously wasn't telling the entire truth when he made that statement and most with any sense could tell he was leaving himself an out to make changes which he tried to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB-ColtsFan Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, Smonroe said: Why can't people get that? Let's face it, real 'leaks' are intentional 99% of the time. One side or the other wants the story to get out in order to improve bargaining power or sway public opinion. I agree. I just don't see anyone gaining any leverage or popular opinion polls via this article. As someone stated, looks more like an opinion piece or axe to grind article more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisfarley Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 51 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said: They live in a van down by the river where they do their podcasts. Hey, watch it !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy1888 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: It's just as likely gruden and peyton weren't interested and had nothing to do with grigson If they weren't interested why even let it get to the point of negotiations? If Manning wasn't interested he could have shot it down in November right off the bat and this story never gets to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NannyMcafee Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, John Waylon said: The same people believing this are the same ones who believed yesterday's random tweet that pagano would be fired today. Somehow the connection never gets made though. These are the people who are out there in charge of the real world. Yikes. * Do you have any sources stating that these are the people running the real world? Get a grip bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 The same people believing this are the same ones who believed yesterday's random tweet that pagano would be fired today. Somehow the connection never gets made though. These are the people who are out there in charge of the real world. Yikes. * Do you have any sources stating that these are the people running the real world? Get a grip bro. And then another one showed up, as if on command. What time does the press conference start? * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buccolts Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, NannyMcafee said: Nothing would surprise me at this point. Yeah, at this point, it's probably all a scam to numb us of the REAL 'real' news. Too shocking to just come out with it. Wait 'til we learn the REAL news is no news at all, wait....... I think I hear a harp in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creekside Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 23 minutes ago, indy1888 said: ......most with any sense could tell he was leaving himself an out to make changes which he tried to do. "Most with any sense" who read my post can see that my point is about his demeanor, not his statement. He wasn't "beside himself" after the Houston loss......like I said, I don't care if he was "beside himself" after the Oakland loss...... I just don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NannyMcafee Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, buccolts said: Yeah, at this point, it's probably all a scam to numb us of the REAL 'real' news. Too shocking to just come out with it. Wait 'til we learn the REAL news is no news at all, wait....... I think I hear a harp in the background. All these sources without faces. It has to be true. And if it's a scam, job well done, for I am numb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NannyMcafee Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, John Waylon said: And then another one showed up, as if on command. What time does the press conference start? * Youre hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 And then another one showed up, as if on command. What time does the press conference start? * Youre hilarious. No. On the shoot. When's that presser? * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NannyMcafee Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, John Waylon said: No. On the shoot. When's that presser? * * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 No. On the shoot. When's that presser? * * Right on. I'll set my DVR. Until then keep me updated on the latest twitter rumors from anyone who has anything to add, because all of those leads have been spot on thus far. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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