Pass Rush?

[COLTS449]

Guys. Gavin's 100% right. Most teams have a guy capable of putting up double digit sacks. Yeah. Von Miller is one of the top 3 EDGE rushers in the NFL, but still. There's a lot of guys who put up big sack numbers. We do too actually. Mathis. But we've needed another guy for the last few years due to Mathis getting older.

[krunk]

Also dont expect Cole to come up with 3 sacks again. Should be more. Maybe 5-6

[krunk]

1 hour ago, BOTT said:

Mathis was also popped for PEDS coming off the season he led the league in sacks.

So what's your explanation for the 7 he got coming off a torn Achilles, a suspension and being used as a situational pass rusher? Clearly he wasn't on any PED at that point.

[BOTT]

2 minutes ago, krunk said:

So what's your explanation for the 7 he got coming off a torn Achilles, a suspension and being used as a situational pass rusher? Clearly he wasn't on any PED at that point.

I didn't sway he was washed up.   But to expect similar results at his ever advancing age is optimistic.

[krunk]

2 minutes ago, BOTT said:

I didn't sway he was washed up.   But to expect similar results at his ever advancing age is optimistic.

Is it optimistic to think he will get 10-12 with a full seasons work? I dont think so. I think its realistic. Hes fully healthy and moving well.

[Gavin]

12 minutes ago, BOTT said:

I didn't sway he was washed up.   But to expect similar results at his ever advancing age is optimistic.

Its really not all that unusual for great pass rushers to put up big sack numbers and pressure in the late stages of there career. Julius Peppers alone just put up 10.5 sacks last year at 36. The list goes on and on. Keeping Mathis fresh will be key. The most affective way of doing that while maximizing his snaps (I expect he rotates this year more than years past) is to run the ball and be efficient passing so he and the defense doesn't get gassed game after game. Also having Vontae and Cromartie both healthy at the same time would help

 

 

If 100% and reasonably fresh game in and game out I expect at least 7 sacks just like last year. I think our defense is going to spend a lot of time on the field though so I don't expect him to be fresh

[BOTT]

20 minutes ago, Gavin said:

Its really not all that unusual for great pass rushers to put up big sack numbers and pressure in the late stages of there career. Julius Peppers alone just put up 10.5 sacks last year at 36. The list goes on and on. Keeping Mathis fresh will be key. The most affective way of doing that while maximizing his snaps (I expect he rotates this year more than years past) is to run the ball and be efficient passing so he and the defense doesn't get gassed game after game. Also having Vontae and Cromartie both healthy at the same time would help

 

 

If 100% and reasonably fresh game in and game out I expect at least 7 sacks just like last year. I think our defense is going to spend a lot of time on the field though so I don't expect him to be fresh

I don't think this list goes on and on. Currently I can think of peppers and James Harrison.

 

 

[Gavin]

4 minutes ago, BOTT said:

I don't think this list goes on and on. Currently I can think of peppers and James Harrison.

 

 

Through the course of NFL history there has been plenty. It doesn't just apply to now

[Jackie Daytona]

8 hours ago, Gavin said:

He is obviously a hell of a pass rusher. Your definitely not overrating him. My point was plenty of teams have pass rushers that can put up multiple double digit sack seasons

This is true, and we have one also, he's just ancient in football years = (

[jshipp23]

9 hours ago, Gavin said:

Most teams have at least 1 big time pass rusher capable of Von Miller production

Huh?

[Jackie Daytona]

In fairness to Grigson, Newsome looked like a solid pass rushing prospect after his rookie year....

[BOTT]

12 minutes ago, Shafty138 said:

In fairness to Grigson, Newsome looked like a solid pass rushing prospect after his rookie year....

If you looked at his sacks and not the numbers he didn't.

[Jackie Daytona]

23 minutes ago, BOTT said:

If you looked at his sacks and not the numbers he didn't.

his sacks were indicative of pass rushing potential weren't they?  what other  numbers was I supposed to not look at?

 

[BOTT]

15 minutes ago, Shafty138 said:

his sacks were indicative of pass rushing potential weren't they?  what other  numbers was I supposed to not look at?

 

I'm just saying they are misleading.  He only had a 1 or two that were impressive and not missed assignments or the like by the offense.

[Jackie Daytona]

31 minutes ago, BOTT said:

I'm just saying they are misleading.  He only had a 1 or two that were impressive and not missed assignments or the like by the offense.

ah, I'm pickin' up what you're putting down, and can see your point.

[Dark Superman]

The only thing Grigson has done to try to fix our pass rush was draft a project in Werner (which failed) and allowed Jerry Hughes to walk. Oh, and we signed 33 year old Trent Cole. We allowed Freeman to walk, and failed to bring in any sort of game-changing linebackers period since Ryan has been here. Grigson literally had five years to build this team and was handed a franchise QB from day 1. The Colts are wasting Luck
's talent by consistently giving him a bad offensive line to play behind and a defense who can't get off the field.

[theanarchist]

I think we have forgotten that Grigson drafted Werner in round 1 and he was a big bust. He tried to address it and failed. Now we have to wait til next year's draft and hope we can find a decent one.

[1959Colts]

I don't think it's asking much, for us to wish we has at least one player, capable of bringing a good pass rush.

[Coffeedrinker]

I like that strategy.  Let's pick the best player at every position and blast Grigson for not having a guy like that.

 

I can't understand why Grigs has not been able to find a RB that gives you AP type production?

 

Why hasn't he found a TE to give you Gronk type production?

 

Why has he not found WRs that give you Harrison, Rice and Megatron production?

 

Why has he not found a center to give you Alex Mack type production?

 

Why has he not found a guy to give you JJ Watt type production?

 

This is kind of fun, Anyone else want to join in?

[theanarchist]

2 hours ago, 1959Colts said:

I don't think it's asking much, for us to wish we has at least one player, capable of bringing a good pass rush.

It's not too much to ask. Oh for the days of Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney in their prime....

[theanarchist]

21 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

I like that strategy.  Let's pick the best player at every position and blast Grigson for not having a guy like that.

 

I can't understand why Grigs has not been able to find a RB that gives you AP type production?

 

Why hasn't he found a TE to give you Gronk type production?

 

Why has he not found WRs that give you Harrison, Rice and Megatron production?

 

Why has he not found a center to give you Alex Mack type production?

 

Why has he not found a guy to give you JJ Watt type production?

 

This is kind of fun, Anyone else want to join in?

I understand your frustration with the board. I try to evaluate how a GM is doing by comparing position groups with other teams that are playoff contenders. I think we still fall short more often than not with those teams that I think of when I compare.

 

I also have said a number of times, not lately, but many times last year that any GM who blunders first round picks, especially 2 or 3, is digging his own grave. You cannot fail badly with those picks or the roster will suffer and the digging begins. Unfortunately Grigson has 2 big first round flops on his resume' so he's dug himself a start on his own.

 

I know what you're saying though, you cant have a superstar at every position.

[JColts72]

44 minutes ago, theanarchist said:

It's not too much to ask. Oh for the days of Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney in their prime....

We will not such tandem here for a while with Grigs as GM. Some 70's tandem of John Dutton/Fred Cook, Bubba/Stork.

[husker61]

mathis has been completely invisible. his play says it all. i said they needed to move on after he got caught with ped's. thinking he was going to come back like he was, was a big mistake the colts made and are paying for it now. grigson has made a lot of mistakes! everyone still hating on bill polian? he produced top teams every year with a franchise qb. the colts are going the opposite direction without polians players with a franchise qb.

[husker61]

a couple weeks later, and still completely invisible.

[jbaron04]

On 9/11/2016 at 11:10 AM, COLTS449 said:

Guys. Gavin's 100% right. Most teams have a guy capable of putting up double digit sacks. Yeah. Von Miller is one of the top 3 EDGE rushers in the NFL, but still. There's a lot of guys who put up big sack numbers. We do too actually. Mathis. But we've needed another guy for the last few years due to Mathis getting older.

Mathis lol

[jbaron04]

On 9/20/2016 at 8:55 AM, husker61 said:

mathis has been completely invisible. his play says it all. i said they needed to move on after he got caught with ped's. thinking he was going to come back like he was, was a big mistake the colts made and are paying for it now. grigson has made a lot of mistakes! everyone still hating on bill polian? he produced top teams every year with a franchise qb. the colts are going the opposite direction without polians players with a franchise qb.

Age, injuries, plus peds lol I knew Mathis was done 

[ColtfreakDVA]

On 9/20/2016 at 8:55 AM, husker61 said:

grigson has made a lot of mistakes! everyone still hating on bill polian? he produced top teams every year with a franchise qb. the colts are going the opposite direction without polians players with a franchise qb.

I hate to break it too you but excluding last year with Luck out we have been 11-5  three years in a row (including a complete rebuild year) and progressed each of those years closer to a SB.  Even with Luck missing most games last year we pulled out a 8-8 record.  Pollian without Peyton 2-14.

 

This year has yet to be played out before adding it to the equation.

 

Just saying....

 

 

[COLTS449]

28 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:

Mathis lol

 

Yeah.....I know jbaron. This thread was from over a month ago and at that time I expected Mathis to have a big year.

[Douzer]

Pass rushes really blossom when you have the lead. Something we haven't seen much.

Young players like Maggitt don't typically set the world on fire in their first few games.

Wide open receivers limit a pass rushers impact.

5 weeks in, I'm not onboard with trashing our players. Judging now doesn't add up for me.

[COLTS449]

Captain hindsight says we should have drafted Danielle Hunter and traded for Chandler Jones!!!!!!!

[husker61]

On 10/16/2016 at 2:42 PM, Douzer said:

Pass rushes really blossom when you have the lead. Something we haven't seen much.

Young players like Maggitt don't typically set the world on fire in their first few games.

Wide open receivers limit a pass rushers impact.

5 weeks in, I'm not onboard with trashing our players. Judging now doesn't add up for me.

 

the colts had a nice lead last night and he was completely invisible!

[husker61]

On 9/20/2016 at 8:55 AM, husker61 said:

mathis has been completely invisible. his play says it all. i said they needed to move on after he got caught with ped's. thinking he was going to come back like he was, was a big mistake the colts made and are paying for it now. grigson has made a lot of mistakes! everyone still hating on bill polian? he produced top teams every year with a franchise qb. the colts are going the opposite direction without polians players with a franchise qb.

 

well, are all the mathis excuse makers here ready to admitt that i was right when i said the colts should cut him after getting caught cheating with ped's! i dont remember anyone agreeing with me back then.

 

my only problem with polian was keeping players here too long with too big of contracts. since its still happening, maybe it was more ownership than the gm.

[SteelCityColt]

[rock8591]

Mathis will be 36 years old at the start of next season. That is 206 in real-life years. Think about that first, before declaring he still has a lot left in the tank.